Trump wants to eliminate Due Process
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/228/case.html
Wong Wing v. United States
The United States can forbid aliens from coming within their borders, and expel them from their territory, and can devolve the power and duty of identifying and arresting such persons upon executive or subordinate officials
Good god, Kiki has to go back to 1896 to find anything remotely relevant, and then it's about Chinese immigrants in a totally different situation. Hoping no one will check? Just like Trump, these foot soldiers will stoop to anything - gore porn, obvious lying, misdirection, deflection, Obama/Clinton. The panic they must feel - how embarrassing.
Argued April 1-2, 1896
Decided May 18, 1896
"Down goes Frazier!"
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Quote:Good god, GSTRING can't seem to find up any later relevant rulings and resorts to ... what is that again? ... oh yes ... trolling. Now THAT'S a desperation move if I ever saw one!
Good god, Kiki has to go back to 1896 to find anything remotely relevant
As far as I can tell (GSTRING's lies by insinuation notwithstanding) there is no CONSTITUTIONAL "process" that is "due" illegal aliens. So let's just move past that point (GSTRING, are you paying attention?) and on to international law.
The only "due process" that I can tell that refers to illegal aliens is international law. Now, I ASSUME .... but I need to look this up .... that the USA has signed on to the two relevant international (UN) laws regarding asylum.
But I guess here's the thing: Don't we have a process for people requesting asylum? Does it involve illegal entry? If not, then legally-speaking, I presume that the USA would be well within its rights to deport illegal entrants, and THEN make them get in line for an asylum request.
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Quote:You have already proven yourself stupid. Are you also illiterate as well as alliterate?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/228/case.html
Wong Wing v. United States
The United States can forbid aliens from coming within their borders, and expel them from their territory, and can devolve the power and duty of identifying and arresting such persons upon executive or subordinate officials
Good god, Kiki has to go back to 1896 to find anything remotely relevant, and then it's about Chinese immigrants in a totally different situation. Hoping no one will check? Just like Trump, these foot soldiers will stoop to anything - gore porn, obvious lying, misdirection, deflection, Obama/Clinton. The panic they must feel - how embarrassing.
Argued April 1-2, 1896
Decided May 18, 1896
"Down goes Frazier!"
Your fellow Troll posted the 1896 reference. Kiki was merely edifying us with the details, thus correcting the delusional implication of your Troll buddy.
We do understand reading is hard for you, but try to keep up with the adults in the room, m'kay?
DOWN goes Geebers.
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Quote:This is a far too reasonable, logical, and legal process for the Trolls to comprehend. They'll never agree with such a concept.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Good god, GSTRING can't seem to find up any later relevant rulings and resorts to ... what is that again? ... oh yes ... trolling. Now THAT'S a desperation move if I ever saw one!
Good god, Kiki has to go back to 1896 to find anything remotely relevant
As far as I can tell (GSTRING's lies by insinuation notwithstanding) there is no CONSTITUTIONAL "process" that is "due" illegal aliens. So let's just move past that point (GSTRING, are you paying attention?) and on to international law.
The only "due process" that I can tell that refers to illegal aliens is international law. Now, I ASSUME .... but I need to look this up .... that the USA has signed on to the two relevant international (UN) laws regarding asylum.
But I guess here's the thing: Don't we have a process for people requesting asylum? Does it involve illegal entry? If not, then legally-speaking, I presume that the USA would be well within its rights to deport illegal entrants, and THEN make them get in line for an asylum request.
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If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.
You may include your spouse and children who are in the United States on your application at the time you file or at any time until a final decision is made on your case. To include your child on your application, the child must be under 21 and unmarried.
The problem is that these people are uneducated and don't know the process for filing. So, when they come they are treated as though they are criminals. Lets remember, the coyotes lie to them where they come from to get them go and then get their money.
What sig, jsf, jack and kiki support are taking their children, kicking them out, and then eventually kicking out the children who may never see their families again. That is despicable.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Good god, GSTRING can't seem to find up any later relevant rulings and resorts to ... what is that again? ... oh yes ... trolling. Now THAT'S a desperation move if I ever saw one!
Good god, Kiki has to go back to 1896 to find anything remotely relevant
2017 recent enough for you?
Now that's a SIGNYM move if I ever saw one!
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Constitutional Rights of Aliens
While it is clear that United States citizens enjoy all constitutional rights, the question often arises as to whether a non-citizen or alien is entitled to the same constitutional rights. The courts have held that once an alien enters this country the Fifth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment protect them from being deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. These protections extend to an alien “whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory.”
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As far as I can tell (GSTRING's lies by insinuation notwithstanding) there is no CONSTITUTIONAL "process" that is "due" illegal aliens. So let's just move past that point (GSTRING, are you paying attention?) and on to international law.
Yes, I'm paying attention to another one of your obvious and weak attempts at deflection.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/29/florida-immig
rant-coalition/do-undocumented-immigrants-have-constitutional-rig/
Do undocumented immigrants have constitutional rights?
As the Florida Legislature considers legislation to increase penalties for undocumented immigrants who have committed certain crimes, legislators and activists have pondered this question: What are the constitutional rights of these immigrants?
HB 83 would increase penalties for certain violent offenses -- including sexual battery, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, murder, and the use of a destructive device such as a bomb -- if the defendant was in the country illegally. The bill still has several hurdles before it reaches Gov. Rick Scott’s desk.
The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Dane Eagle, R-Cape Coral, argued at a March 27 House subcommittee hearing that the courts will ultimately have to rule on whether the legislation is constitutional.
Based on some court decisions, Eagle said it is "unclear if non-citizens can enjoy the same constitutional rights as citizens" although he said that everyone is entitled to constitutional protections for due process.
Francesca Menes, director of policy and advocacy for the Florida Immigrant Coalition, disagreed with Eagle.
"As an undocumented immigrant, you do have constitutional rights here in the United States," she said, "and that has been said over and over in the courts, that they do have constitutional rights."
We found that undocumented immigrants do have constitutional rights -- but not all of the rights of citizens. (We have previously fact-checked a claim about whether unlawful presence in the United States is not a crime, a claim we ruled Mostly True.)
Some rights, but not all
A spokeswoman for the Florida Immigrant Coalition pointed to an article by an author of immigration books about constitutional protections for undocumented immigrants.
We interviewed several legal scholars who agreed that undocumented immigrants have many constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech and religion, and if arrested, a right to a Miranda warning.
"There is no question that all persons in the United States including unauthorized migrants enjoy the protections of the Constitution," said Gabriel (Jack) Chin, law professor at University of California-Davis. "There is no debate about that among legal scholars."
The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment protects everyone from deprivation of life, liberty or property without due process of law, Chin said.
There have been several court decisions dating back more than a cen
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Quote:So none of these Illegal Invaders are aware that it is Illegal to Illegally cross the Border?
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.
You may include your spouse and children who are in the United States on your application at the time you file or at any time until a final decision is made on your case. To include your child on your application, the child must be under 21 and unmarried.
The problem is that these people are uneducated and don't know the process for filing. So, they come to see if they can and are treated as though they are criminals. Lets remember, the coyotes lie to them where they come from to get them go and then get their money.
Funny how not a single one of them on the TV clips seems to be unaware of this fact.
Why do we need more idiots in our country when there are valid and deserving Asylees in many overseas locations, suffering atrocities which make Mexican caravans look like a picnic?
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These people are asylum seekers. Their only crime is not knowing how the process works. For that Sig and others think they should lose their children.
ignorantly quoting Legal stature you obviously don't even understand doesn't make that right. What it does is make you trolls.
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Originally posted by JJ:
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.
You may include your spouse and children who are in the United States on your application at the time you file or at any time until a final decision is made on your case. To include your child on your application, the child must be under 21 and unmarried.
The problem is that these people are uneducated and don't know the process for filing. So, when they come they are treated as though they are criminals. Lets remember, the coyotes lie to them where they come from to get them go and then get their money.
What sig, jsf, jack and kiki support are taking their children, kicking them out, and then eventually kicking out the children who may never see their families again. That is despicable.
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In a nutshell, yes. Trying to understand from an immigrant pov - legal or otherwise - is impossible for these people.
I would appreciate it if a study/studies could be done as bipartisan as possible (if that's possible) to estimate the number of immigrants this country wants and can handle. I'd like to find out why filing for legal immigration is so hard or ignored by so many. I know the Trumpians will have a simple opinion, "cuz they're lazy scum!" I'm betting there are deeper, better answers.
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We already proved the trolls wrong, chapter and verse, early on in the first few posts.
I guess they get paid by the post. Or maybe by the hour, because they keep posting long after they've been proven wrong.
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