Trump wants to eliminate Due Process
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Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678 (2001), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States. The court ruled that the plenary power doctrine does not authorize the indefinite detention of immigrants under order of deportation whom no other country will accept. To justify detention of immigrants for a period longer than six months, the government was required to show removal in the foreseeable future or special circumstances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadvydas_v._Davis
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Quote:This has WHAT to do with the topic at hand?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Okay, you got me: Where in the Constitution does it say that non-citizens are entitled to "due process"? If you think they're entitled to some sort of "due process", WHAT process are they entitled to?
I would say that if they are prisoners they're entitled to having their basic human needs met: Food, water, shelter, sleep, sanitation, medical care, protection from harm. I suppose we look to the Geneva Convention on how they recommend treating prisoners of war for guidance on how to treat prisoners in general. There's nothing that says that they should have air conditioning or televisions or psychotherapy.
As far as "asylum" is concerned, I personally think that this is a concept that was stretched FAR beyond its original intent, and DOES NOT include victims of gang violence or domestic violence.
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum
The United Nations 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees guides national legislation concerning political asylum. Under these agreements, a refugee (or for cases where repressing base means has been applied directly or environmentally to the refugee) is a person who is outside that person's own country's territory (or place of habitual residence if stateless) owing to fear of persecution on protected grounds. Protected grounds include race, caste, nationality, religion, political opinions and membership and/or participation in any particular social group or social activities. Rendering true victims of persecution to their persecutor is a violation of a principle called non-refoulement, part of the customary and trucial Law of Nations.
However, each nation crafts its own policy on asylum-seekers.
Personally, I think we should keep recognizing and accepting asylum seekers, but stop being cynical and manipulative (like Obama was) and restrict asylum to people who meet the original definition. This would probably exclude 95+% of people currently asking for asylum today.
I return, once again, to FIRST, DO NO HARM. If we stop making other nations such hellholes (by violating a lot MORE rights than those due migrants, starting with right to life) then we won't have such a migrant problem to begin with.
A number of years ago, on this board, I committed to listing every single American "intervention" in foreign nations since about 1900. The list, as I recall, was 70+ long. It was quite an education for me, and disheartening in the extreme. I'll see if I can find those posts, I think it would be an eye-opener.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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LOL! The "But... but... Obama!" fallacy, again.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Okay, you got me: Where in the Constitution does it say that non-citizens are entitled to "due process"? If you think they're entitled to some sort of "due process", WHAT process are they entitled to?
I would say that if they are prisoners they're entitled to having their basic human needs met: Food, water, shelter, sleep, sanitation, medical care, protection from harm. I suppose we look to the Geneva Convention on how they recommend treating prisoners of war for guidance on how to treat prisoners in general. There's nothing that says that they should have air conditioning or televisions or psychotherapy.
As far as "asylum" is concerned, I personally think that this is a concept that was stretched FAR beyond its original intent, and DOES NOT include victims of gang violence or domestic violence.Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum
The United Nations 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees guides national legislation concerning political asylum. Under these agreements, a refugee (or for cases where repressing base means has been applied directly or environmentally to the refugee) is a person who is outside that person's own country's territory (or place of habitual residence if stateless) owing to fear of persecution on protected grounds. Protected grounds include race, caste, nationality, religion, political opinions and membership and/or participation in any particular social group or social activities. Rendering true victims of persecution to their persecutor is a violation of a principle called non-refoulement, part of the customary and trucial Law of Nations.
However, each nation crafts its own policy on asylum-seekers.
Personally, I think we should keep recognizing and accepting asylum seekers, but stop being cynical and manipulative (like Obama was) and restrict asylum to people who meet the original definition. This would probably exclude 95+% of people currently asking for asylum today.
I return, once again, to FIRST, DO NO HARM. If we stop making other nations such hellholes (by violating a lot MORE rights than those due migrants, starting with right to life) then we won't have such a migrant problem to begin with.
A number of years ago, on this board, I committed to listing every single American "intervention" in foreign nations since about 1900. The list, as I recall, was 70+ long. It was quite an education for me, and disheartening in the extreme. I'll see if I can find those posts, I think it would be an eye-opener.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Zadvydas v. Davis (2001):
"Once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the Due Process Clause applies to all persons within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent."
The 14th Amendment, Section 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and federal statute. As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that: “The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights.
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Quote:You mean the topic about how terrible it is when a president shreds the Constitution?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
speaking of the constitution
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Dec 4, 2017 - As the New Year's deadline for reauthorizing Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) approaches, current and former ...Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan:
This has WHAT to do with the topic at hand?
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Quote:You mean the topic about how terrible it is when a president shreds the Constitution?
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
speaking of the constitution
Killing of Americans Deepens Debate Over Use of Drone Strikes - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../killing-of-americans-deepens-debate-over-p
roper-use-of-...
Apr 23, 2015 - WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Thursday that two American Qaeda operatives killed in Pakistan in January had not been ...
From torture to drone strikes: the disturbing legal legacy Obama is ...
https://www.vox.com/.../obama-farewell-speech-torture-drones-nsa-surve
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Jan 10, 2017 - Using drones to kill American citizens without trial, collecting the email and phone records of millions of Americans on a daily basis, and ...
Is the Government's Mass Surveillance of Americans Justified?
www.newsweek.com/governments-mass-surveillance-americans-justified-730
288
Dec 4, 2017 - As the New Year's deadline for reauthorizing Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) approaches, current and former ...Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan:
This has WHAT to do with the topic at hand?
No, you're just deflecting. We're talking about Trump wanting to eliminate due process.
I guess that's okey-dokey with you, which makes your whataboutism all the more pathetic.
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