And Now --- Baby Jails!
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Concentration camps for babies and toddlers.
A 4th facility was approved for preparation by the hitlertrump
administration. They are called "tender age" shelters, so as to soften
the impact of the much-deserved ridicule and criticism of the trump regime.
All Hail Emperor trump!
An average of 70 children per day are being ripped away from the parents,
and will now be housed in these facilities. Where the staff cannot touch
or comfort them, by design, and will prove to stunt the development of
the growing child. Irreparable psychological damage will scar these
innocent children for life.
How fucked up is that! No human being should support this despicable act,
but if you do.......well, in about 15-20 years those same children will
grow to become the Freedom Fighters that will come to bite the trump
regime in the ass. I hope to live to see that day. Of course trump will be worm food by then. Pity, I would like very much for him to get his at
the hands of #47 (the little boy grown to adulthood and nicknamed -
The Terminator).
And Congress doesn't have the balls to do the right thing. So, this is
what it's come to!
SGG
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Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.
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lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It also would not happen if just two Republican senators refuse to support Trump judicial appointments and legislation until the cruelty stops; they could bring all the evil to a dead halt by threatening to caucus with Democrats. But not one has stepped forward – because taking such a step would endanger conservative economic policies, and those are evidently more important than human rights.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
News item #1: The Trump administration is taking thousands of children away from their parents, and putting them in cages.
News item #2: House Republicans have released a budget plan that would follow up last year’s big tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy with huge funding cuts for Medicare and Medicaid.
If you think these items are unrelated, you’ve missed the whole story of modern American politics. Conservatism is all about a coalition between racists and plutocrats. It’s about people who want to do (2) empowering people who want to do (1), and vice versa.
Until Trump, the ugliness of this deal was cloaked in euphemisms. As Lee Atwater said,
Quote:Now, to be fair, for a long time the GOP establishment managed to pull off a kind of bait-and-switch with this strategy, using race to motivate voters then putting the racism back in the closet once in office. George W. Bush did a lot of terrible things, but give him this much credit: he tried to dampen the xenophobia that was trying to break out after 9/11, rather than fanning the flames.
You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.
Ultimately, however, this bait-and-switch was bound to be unsustainable. Sooner or later the people who voted for white dominance at their own economic expense were going to find a white champion who would deliver.
And now they have. Trump doesn’t say “nigger, nigger, nigger” – or at least I haven’t seen that. But he does talk about “animals” trying to “infest” America, which is arguably even more dehumanizing. And the cruelty of his border policy actually surpasses the days of Jim Crow.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Having failed to make your case here...
This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480
and here...
speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476
... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:What are you arguing, Sygnym? That it is not your fault Trump is a monster? That you simply voted for him and what he does has nothing to do with you? You've got too many years of history here at fireflyfans.net as Trump has 40 years of similarly public history. We know you and Trump are very compatible. No surprise, neither of you are going to lay a claim to what you do in the real world and declare this work is me, this is what I've done, hold me responsible when my decisions go wrong and I will fix it without whining that it is not my fault.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having failed to make your case here...
This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480
and here...
speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476
... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump folds and will sign bill that stops children from being separated from their families.
And to all those racists and bigots who have supported Trump throughout this nightmare, fuck you.
T 
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Quote:Trump says he’ll be ‘signing something’ on detained children
Originally posted by JJ:
Trump folds and will sign bill that stops children from being separated from their families.
And to all those racists and bigots who have supported Trump throughout this nightmare, fuck you.
T
www.apnews.com/1dafadd6fee4447cadd4a0179553026e/Trump-says-he'll-b
e-'signing-something'-on-detained-children
The effort would mark a dramatic turnaround for an administration that has been insisting, wrongly, that it has no choice but to separate families apprehended at the border because of the law and a court decision.
If Trump doesn't return those children by Friday, this is smoke and mirrors. There are 2,000 children and 20,000 ICE employees. That will allow 2 employees per child. There is no way Trump can truthfully declare he does not have the manpower to instantly fix the problem by returning the children. But knowing Trump's sloppy administration skills, the ICE probably does not know who the parents are.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:SECOND, to be honest I don't read your posts very much any more, they're usually so pointless, so I wasn't responding to you.
What are you arguing, Sygnym? - SECOND
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Conservative Media Sure Sound A Whole Lot Like An Alt-Right Podcast Right Now
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/conservative-media-sure-sound-a-who
le-lot-like-an-alt-right-podcast-right-now/
The Nazis control the narrative. Right, Siggy?
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“Stephen Actually Enjoys Seeing Those Pictures at the Border”: The West Wing Is Fracturing Over Trump’s Callous Migrant-Family Policy
Miller gloats and Sanders sulks as the president—oblivious to the moral problem and political consequences—bulls ahead.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/stephen-miller-family-separati
on-white-house/amp
Meanwhile, as the border crisis spirals, the absence of a coordinated policy process has allowed the most extreme administration voices to fill the vacuum. White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller has all but become the face of the issue, a development that even supporters of Trump’s “zero-tolerance” position say is damaging the White House. “Stephen actually enjoys seeing those pictures at the border,” an outside White House adviser said. “He’s a twisted guy, the way he was raised and picked on. There’s always been a way he’s gone about this. He’s Waffen-SS.”
Making matters worse, Trump doesn’t seem to have an end game for the inhumane policy that is opposed by two-thirds of Americans. He’s continued to blame Democrats for allowing immigrants to “infest” the country; while in a closed-door meeting Tuesday night with congressional Republicans, he called on them to end family separation and “fix” the immigration system. He’s effectively boxed himself into a corner. “He doesn’t like this policy, and he knows it’s not helping him,” a Republican who’s spoken with him said. “But he can’t get within him that this is a problem, and he needs to take ownership of it.”
Remember that Stephen Miller, an actual fascist, is one of the longest standing members of this administration, not in spite of his fascist tendencies, but because of them.
"The president will NOT be questioned." - Stephen "Totally not a fascist" Miller
Then they scoff at Nazi comparisons while caging babies.
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Quote:Signym, that is very Trump of you. He doesn't respond to criticism, other than either get angry or ignore it. You and Trump are compatible.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SECOND, to be honest I don't read your posts very much any more, they're usually so pointless, so I wasn't responding to you.
What are you arguing, Sygnym? - SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Actually, Siggy, Second posts well-reasoned responses and sources information with something other than the Breitbart drivel you spout.
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SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.
Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do. 
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Quote:My assertion remains correct, yours does not. And, I know more about everything than you do.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.
Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.
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Quote:Only one? Which one?
SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.
Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.
My assertion remains correct
Quote:So you say.
yours does not.
Quote:Especially about "how to be a Nazi".
And, I know more about everything than you do.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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So, Trump signed a order which sounds like "family centers" will be used, which was one of my suggestions.
Now, there is the problem of "detaining" minors indefinitely. I would suggest the following: The definition of "detention" is that you aren't permitted to leave. Let's say that the parents aren't allowed to leave, but the children are, if permitted by the parent. Although they might not have a place to leave to, they would be allowed to if there was a relative or trusted family friend they could stay with. IF not, they could continue to stay with their parents as an option. That solves the "detention of a minor" problem: They're not being "detained" they're being "housed".
In the meantime, they get "three hots and a cot", once again treating illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and mentally ill. The only solution to THAT is to reduce the waiting time for a ruling, and ship people back to their native countries as fast as possible to reduce the burden on our detention centers and legal system.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:You don't know anything. That's your problem.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Only one? Which one?
SECOND usually posts second-hand OPINION.
Oh, and BTW ... I don't believe I've ever read anything on Breitbart. You probably know more about it than I do.
My assertion remains correctQuote:So you say.
yours does not.Quote:Especially about "how to be a Nazi".
And, I know more about everything than you do.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Here's a man who knows what's going on, and won't be a part of it.
Man Who Refused To Hand Over Immigrant Info To ICE: ‘Don’t Collaborate With Fascists’
“This is child abuse executed by the U.S. government,” he said of the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ice-dont-collaborate-with-fascist
s_us_5b2a8d94e4b05d6c16ca0e0e?utm_source=reddit.com
A true patriot.
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Quote:If Trump wants to end the separations, he can always go back to the policy he followed for the first 443 days of his administration, but he is not.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, Trump signed a order which sounds like "family centers" will be used, which was one of my suggestions.
Now, there is the problem of "detaining" minors indefinitely. I would suggest the following: The definition of "detention" is that you aren't permitted to leave. Let's say that the parents aren't allowed to leave, but the children are, if permitted by the parent. Although they might not have a place to leave to, they would be allowed to if there was a relative or trusted family friend they could stay with. IF not, they could continue to stay with their parents as an option. That solves the "detention of a minor" problem: They're not being "detained" they're being "housed".
In the meantime, they get "three hots and a cot", once again treating illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and mentally ill. The only solution to THAT is to reduce the waiting time for a ruling, and ship people back to their native countries as fast as possible to reduce the burden on our detention centers and legal system.
He says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. There is a trick: the actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. Trump signed an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days. Trump will be straight up violating that order in 20 days. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families.
Trump has been trying to blame his policy on someone else ever since it started, but the non-Fox media has been pretty good about repeatedly calling this out as a lie. So now he’s going to try to make it into the truth—or something close to the truth, anyway.
Just remember: if he really wants to end the separations, he can always go back to the policy he followed for the first 443 days of his administration. It’s entirely up to him.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:You missed my point. Maybe this is just a bit pf sophistry, but if the children COULD leave - legally- then it's not "detention", is it? If there were procedural steps to allow children to leave - the parents have to agree, the alternate place has to be approved, parents and children must be allowed to communicate - then it's not "detention". Maybe these children have nowhere else to go/ no other practical options, but if they then stay in these detention centers simply because of "no place else to go", that's not the fault of the procedure, is it? At that point the children are being "housed", not detained.
The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days. - SECOND
Quote:Which is what? Let the parents (or perhaps even non-related adults) continue to use children as a "get out of jail free" card?
If Trump wants to end the separations, he can always go back to the policy he followed for the first 443 days of his administration
Hey, I've seen that movie before, in Europe. Men stood a much higher chance of being allowed in if they had a child in tow, so they would literally grab a child to cross the border and then throw them away as soon as they got across.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Yes, the reichwing fascist apologists have been using that stupid argument for the last day or 2. It's funny that when you try to justify the unjustifiable, you use the same phrases your talking points masters give you.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, Trump signed a order which sounds like "family centers" will be used, which was one of my suggestions.
Now, there is the problem of "detaining" minors indefinitely. I would suggest the following: The definition of "detention" is that you aren't permitted to leave. Let's say that the parents aren't allowed to leave, but the children are, if permitted by the parent. Although they might not have a place to leave to, they would be allowed to if there was a relative or trusted family friend they could stay with. IF not, they could continue to stay with their parents as an option. That solves the "detention of a minor" problem: They're not being "detained" they're being "housed".
In the meantime, they get "three hots and a cot", once again treating illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and mentally ill. The only solution to THAT is to reduce the waiting time for a ruling, and ship people back to their native countries as fast as possible to reduce the burden on our detention centers and legal system.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Well, I see RF that you can't refute the points so you resort to name-calling. Again.
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I suppose you've seen this picture?
There's only one problem with it: It's fake. This child is NOT in ICE custody at all. In fact, the picture was taken at a protest, where children were put in cages to demonstrate what THEY say would happen.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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And lo and behold, when Trump became president, IT DID!
And you still fellate him.
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Quote:Points? Regurgitated troll talk can be considered "points?" LOL!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, I see RF that you can't refute the points so you resort to name-calling. Again.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Did you look that up, or did you copy it off of someone's workbook?
Actually, do you know what that means?
Get it right and win a set of Ginzu knives (of course, you'll rename it
"Really Sharp Objects").
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.
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Here's my answer FUCK YOU!
Sincerely,
shinygoodguy
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having failed to make your case here...
This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480
and here...
speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476
... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Don't believe the Hype JJ. It's all FAKE! Like Trump, he only did that to
alleviate the HEAT he was getting from all sides. He actually thought he would get away with hiding these kids, and not allowing entry to even
Congress (which boggles the mind how they don't go in there guns blazing).
He thinks that all Americans are like his Kool-Aid drinking followers, dumb
as hell and twice as ignorant, and that we won't call him out on this one.
He's got another thing coming....the heat is on Motherfucker!
So pay no attention to the clowns, who profess peace and then insult and berate. If it's a street fight you want, come get some! (you know who you are).
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:
Trump folds and will sign bill that stops children from being separated from their families.
And to all those racists and bigots who have supported Trump throughout this nightmare, fuck you.
T
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No, this is Hyperbole.....
IT'S A WITCHHUNT!
SGG
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You do know that the pictures that appear on the news are
provided by the "government," by ICE itself. They don't allow
any kind of recording devices, or allow interviews, of the refugees.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I suppose you've seen this picture?
There's only one problem with it: It's fake. This child is NOT in ICE custody at all. In fact, the picture was taken at a protest, where children were put in cages to demonstrate what THEY say would happen.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Yeah, keep laughing
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You do know that the pictures that appear on the news are provided by the "government," by ICE itself. They don't allow any kind of recording devices, or allow interviews, of the refugees.
Of course they don't. That would be invading the privacy of a minor, who can't be deemed to give consent.
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SO, for the record, I don't support separating children from their families except perhaps very temporarily - for example, to establish familial connection thru DNA testing so as not to potentially leave children with human traffickers. As I've suggested before, I THINK we can solve the conundrum of "detaining" minors by not "detaining" per se them but by "housing" them, but I suppose a court would have to weigh in on whether this was just legalistic legerdemain. I DO support zero tolerance, because allowing adults to use children as a "get out of jail free" card, or allowing unaccompanied children to be used as some sort of wedge to get into the USA, is a cynical use of children (by their parents or other adults) AND it creates incentives all in the wrong direction. This has nothing to do with "race" and everything to do with nationality.
The vast majority of children in the current facilities are UNACCOMPANIED MINORS and most are 15+ years old. The terrible conditions that some of these children live in occurred under Obama as well as under Trump, and I believe that it has more to do with turning these over to private, for-profit centers than anything else.
Also, and for the record, I'm against "birthright citizenship".
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The United States has "intervened" in every single nation in south and central America (except Costa Rica), in some cases many times over, covertly and overtly, all in behalf of foreign bankers and the IMF, landowners, foreign companies, and their juntas. Most of the time the CIA-deposed leaders were land-reformers who believed in greater social spending for things like education, distributed land ownership, housing and health, but this would not have set well with the profits extracted by foreign banks and transnational corporations. I can provide you with a pretty complete and damning list of "interventions" if you like, or you can read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man". 
Quote:http://www.jrossbaughman.com/?p=121
For anyone who thinks there is no need for an International Women’s Day, here’s one reminder from a death squad in Central America that I cannot forget.
At dawn on February 20th 1982, I head off to ship film at the international airport, but I first encounter the victim of a right-wing death squad, later confirmed to have been a 30-year-old woman. What’s left of her body tells the rather complete story of her last hour of life. That is, for anyone willing to look long enough at it, and contemplate all the indignities collected there.
Her underwear is still stretched tight, clinging below her knees. Her attackers must have started off with that, since otherwise it would have been pointless and much more difficult to pull the cloth down after everything else that happened.
On her left hand, still in relatively fresh condition, all the finger tips have been cut off, and then the hand itself is also cut off. The muscles of her left arm are removed down to her wrists. The remainder of her left arm is burned and then also cut off. Long strips of skin are peeled off from her left leg, again an effort unlikely to have happened if she was past caring. The heel of her left foot is the one part of her body to show how hard it dug into the sand. She is finally disemboweled, then scalped. Pieces of her skull are scattered about, and then her head is cut off, which is missing from the scene.
THIS IS NOT JUST A THING OF THE PAST. Today, all nations south of the border are suffering from currency instability due to The Fed's strong dollar policy, leading to further poverty and instability, particularly in Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. Some of them are USA-friendly, some are not.
Nicaragua, like the other aforementioned nations, has suffered from widespread protests due to weak currency. SNIPER
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing!
Wrong again: I am not interested in discussing with you. I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it. I know you will lie and bend facts and make sh*t up ad nauseam and place false blame. Have your fun with your wild ass guessing, though! From what I scanned ^ you're still Putin's loyal servant.
And thanks for the disgusting death porn for no reason and no warning - you continue to sink lower and lower.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.
Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?
Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.
I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.
We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.
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Quote:I wouldn't admit that, if I were you. Because it brings up questions as to what, exactly, your role was.
THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing! - SIGNY
Wrong again: I am not interested in discussing with you. I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it
Quote:Oh, fuck you and the horse you rode on, GSTRING. "False blame"? Is it "false" to blame our military for their kind interventions and bombings? Is it "false" to blame Raegan for his CIA-funded "contras", to blame Bush for his invasions, and Obama for his destruction of Libya and for supporting jihadists?
I know you will lie and bend facts and make sh*t up ad nauseam and place false blame. - GSTRONG
Quote:Oh, gee, sorry to have hurt your tender feelings! I guess it's just too much [for you] to be faced with reality! Or are you just afraid that other people will have to confront the truth that you'd like to hide? So go stick your head back up your ass, GSTRING, since that's where it's most comfortable. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
And thanks for the disgusting death porn for no reason and no warning - you continue to sink lower and lower.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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SigTroll is revealed - talk about nashing teeth and spittal...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, gee, sorry to have hurt your tender feelings! I guess it's just too much [for you] to be faced with reality! Go stick your head back up your ass, GSTRING, since that's where it's most comfortable. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
Hate to blow your mind genius, but it doesn't matter if you were talking to me or not - everyone who comes in this forum sees your shame. Name any other poster here over the past decade besides you and PirateNews, that has sunk that low? You do realize kids might come in here, don't you?
I honestly can't think of a single argument that we've ever had in this forum that was so important, that posting such images would be necessary. If you had any class or cared at all about others the way you want us to believe you do, you would add a spoiler alert or link to them elsewhere or remove it now and apologize. Which will it be: Class or Zero Class?
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Sunk "that low"?
HOW LOW IS THAT, GSTRING?
So low that I would hide THE HORRIBLE TRUTH from my fellow Americans about WHAT, EXACTLY, WE were supporting south of the border?
So low that I would only pay attention to a victim if it furthered my political agenda, and dehumanize the many more victims of my warmongering foreign policy?
So low that that I would deny/ minimize the historical facts of our "interventions" everywhere?
So low that I would ignore finding the CAUSES of poverty and violence driving illegal immigration, and be against proposing a policy to actually SOLVE IT?
You said you were in that movie, GSTRING, and I have to wonder ... what, exactly, WAS your role in that "south of the border" movie?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Hmmm ... yes, your role in that movie?
It should be a simple thing to explain, GSTRING! So explain away!
*****
As for your Think of the children! ploy ...Phffft! Throw a stick at any zombie movie or most videogames, and you'll see something just as bad, if not worse.
What's worse, GSTRING ... showing a disturbing image online, or killing actual babies? You're OK with killing babies but not OK with showing the results? 'Cause, yanno, maybe if we posted a picture of EVERYONE that we killed, maybe we wouldn't kill so many people!
You don't REALLY care about "children" GSTRING, or you'd be a lot hotter about the children who are at the muzzle end of our foreign policy. So, what's your REAL problem here, GSTRING? And what's your real purpose?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Quote:Sig Pussy is revealed as an actual, real-life, no exaggeration, straight up Nazi.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
SigTroll is revealed - talk about nashing teeth and spittal...Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, gee, sorry to have hurt your tender feelings! I guess it's just too much [for you] to be faced with reality! Go stick your head back up your ass, GSTRING, since that's where it's most comfortable. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
Hate to blow your mind genius, but it doesn't matter if you were talking to me or not - everyone who comes in this forum sees your shame. Name any other poster here over the past decade besides you and PirateNews, that has sunk that low? You do realize kids might come in here, don't you?
I honestly can't think of a single argument that we've ever had in this forum that was so important, that posting such images would be necessary. If you had any class or cared at all about others the way you want us to believe you do, you would add a spoiler alert or link to them elsewhere or remove it now and apologize. Which will it be: Class or Zero Class?
He does what all fascists do: Lies, then lies some more; hates, then hates some more; actively supports evil, without awareness or shame.
This racist Russian troll really needs to just go back to 4chan with all the other lonely, miserable incels whose only pleasure is found in the suffering of others.
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Hey Sigs.
You hear that? You're a Communist Nazi. You're also a man now. An incel man that hates women too!
The smartest man who ever lived said it all, so you know it's true.
You'd better start brushing up on your Man-Splaining skills in both German and Russian, and start practicing your Manspreading skills to assert your dominance over women on the subway. While you're at it... you'd better start growing a penis too.
Welcome to the Patriarchy!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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. . . And Then They Came For The Toddlers, The Trump Executive Order Is A FRAUD, The Baby Concentration Camps Remain
Like everything else Trump, the executive order supposedly stopping
separation of families is a total honking FRAUD.
About half the progressive TV pundits today were doing more or less
of an end zone dance, celebrating Trump "caving." He has done no such
thing. Instead, Trump has in fact tripled down, in the most deceptive
way possible.
In the first place, there is nothing whatsoever in the executive
order about reuniting the thousands of already stolen children back
with their parents. There is neither a plan for, nor even the
slightest interest in, seeing this happen, at HHS or any other Trump
corrupted agency.
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Quote:Poor loser. Blames his lack of success in life on everything but himself.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Sigs.
You hear that? You're a Communist Nazi. You're also a man now. An incel man that hates women too!
The smartest man who ever lived said it all, so you know it's true.
You'd better start brushing up on your Man-Splaining skills in both German and Russian, and start practicing your Manspreading skills to assert your dominance over women on the subway. While you're at it... you'd better start growing a penis too.
Welcome to the Patriarchy!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So sad, so sorry.
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Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!! Too funny!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Sigs.
You hear that? You're a Communist Nazi. You're also a man now. An incel man that hates women too!
The smartest man who ever lived said it all, so you know it's true.
You'd better start brushing up on your Man-Splaining skills in both German and Russian, and start practicing your Manspreading skills to assert your dominance over women on the subway. While you're at it... you'd better start growing a penis too.
Welcome to the Patriarchy!
Quote:Indeed. Where did you come up with that btw? It's a good thought to live by.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Our top story this hour: The United States of America is forcibly separating thousands of migrant children from their parents and warehousing them in internment camps. Defense contractors are said to be making an enormous sums of money in the process! In other news, the President of the United States has declared deep admiration for murderous dictator Kim Jong Un. In an interview on Fox and Friends, Pres. Trump expressed his desire for Americans to treat him the way the captive population of North Korea is forced to treat Kim. This just in: satire is officially pointless. Coming up next: Are uncivil comments about Donald Trump the real problem? Signym says yes!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The United States has "intervened" in every single nation in south and central America (except Costa Rica), in some cases many times over, covertly and overtly, all in behalf of foreign bankers and the IMF, landowners, foreign companies, and their juntas. Most of the time the CIA-deposed leaders were land-reformers who believed in greater social spending for things like education, distributed land ownership, housing and health, but this would not have set well with the profits extracted by foreign banks and transnational corporations. I can provide you with a pretty complete and damning list of "interventions" if you like, or you can read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".
SIGNY says THAT'S the real problem.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Rep. Ted Lieu plays audio from detention center on house floor
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4737024/rep-ted-lieu-plays-audio-detent
ion-center-house-floor
The Republicans' embarrassment here is epic.
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But the "government" they know what's best...........
Oh the irony.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You do know that the pictures that appear on the news are provided by the "government," by ICE itself. They don't allow any kind of recording devices, or allow interviews, of the refugees.
Of course they don't. That would be invading the privacy of a minor, who can't be deemed to give consent.
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Obviously you haven't been paying attention Six.
Not Mexico, but Central America, in particular Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Fleeing violence from those countries, which is a helluva difference from the violence here in the US. Just take a look at what your "friend" Siggy posted above
regarding the right-wing deaths in the 80s. Those were rather brutal bastards.
But today you have something far worse, gangs and drug cartels. Anyway, you don't
want to help them, fine, step aside.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.
Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?
Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.
I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.
We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Obviously you haven't been paying attention Six.
Not Mexico, but Central America, in particular Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Fleeing violence from those countries, which is a helluva difference from the violence here in the US. Just take a look at what your "friend" Siggy posted above
regarding the right-wing deaths in the 80s. Those were rather brutal bastards.
But today you have something far worse, gangs and drug cartels. Anyway, you don't
want to help them, fine, step aside.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.
Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?
Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.
I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.
We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.
Last I checked, there is a 758,400 sq mile country in between us. They can stay in Mexico.
Until we have Utopia here, and let me tell you, it's far from it now, we don't need to be making things worse by bringing in more people from shithole countries that can't speak English that we have to pay for.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What's worse, GSTRING ... showing a disturbing image online, or killing actual babies? You're OK with killing babies but not OK with showing the results? 'Cause, yanno, maybe if we posted a picture of EVERYONE that we killed, maybe we wouldn't kill so many people!
You don't REALLY care about "children" GSTRING, or you'd be a lot hotter about the children who are at the muzzle end of our foreign policy. So, what's your REAL problem here, GSTRING? And what's your real purpose?
BREAKING NEWS: 2018 SJW & Virtue Signaling Award of the Year goes to: SICKNYM! Jesus JackString, how are you not getting all angry feelz about that display?? That's virtuoso stuff.
SICKNYM rationalizes posting offensive images to a board with 10 active members because she believes she is saving South America by doing so. She is so blind to her actions she believes she can save the world by posting on FFF.net. She could care less about the person in the photo or their family. Would she feel the same if someone somewhere posted without permission images of her DD in a similar situation? I'm gonna bet she is going to continue her self-righteous spittle rant by saying, "If it would save lives, then YES!" All while ignoring the fact that it is just disgusting to most of the 10 people that see it. SICKNYM has no sense of context or proportion - she has become the perfect Trump/Putin foot soldier.
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Do you really think there are 10?
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Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.
Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.
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Its all distraction.
Trump alwayz duz the most outrajus thing he can think uv to maximize the attention. Why else woud Melania wear that coat?
The obvious thing to distract from iz the TrumPutin conspirasy, but I'm suspicious that even that iz just a distraction.
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-THIS is the subject that GSTRING "isn't interested" in discussing - SIGNY
Wrong again ... I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it.- GSTRING
So, yes, GSTRING, what WAS your role in this "movie", exactly? 'Cause, yanno, I can think of all kinds of unsavory things you could have been doing.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Why wasn't she? All those other kids were.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.
Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.
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Quote:Gaslighting. A typical fascist tactic.
Originally posted by JO753:
Its all distraction.
Trump alwayz duz the most outrajus thing he can think uv to maximize the attention. Why else woud Melania wear that coat?
The obvious thing to distract from iz the TrumPutin conspirasy, but I'm suspicious that even that iz just a distraction.
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You know, all so-called Americans came from SHITHOLE countries, like Germany, for instance. Ireland, Switzerland, Norway, Italy....shall I go on.
You are a product of a SHITHOLE country.
And now, it's official. Only Natives born here are TRUE AMERICANS.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Obviously you haven't been paying attention Six.
Not Mexico, but Central America, in particular Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Fleeing violence from those countries, which is a helluva difference from the violence here in the US. Just take a look at what your "friend" Siggy posted above
regarding the right-wing deaths in the 80s. Those were rather brutal bastards.
But today you have something far worse, gangs and drug cartels. Anyway, you don't
want to help them, fine, step aside.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Don't bother Reaverfan, these guys are about as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, rocks have higher IQs. Besides they are following the Putin Playbook. Just like the Shit for Brains: Lewandowski.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seeking asylum isn't illegal. Trump's intentional abuse of children is a crime.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hyperbole.
Don't cross the border illegally and this won't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And you wonder why we pity you, wet-brain.
Just what the fuck are they seeking asylum from in Mexico?
Don't you dare even say that there aren't enough cops there policing gang violence or the drug trade either.
I grew up near communities that had the exact same problem and still do to this day. I live by one now, and some of the people I work with actually live inside of it.
We've got problems of our own we need to tend to first, before adding to our own by taking on Mexico's problem.
Last I checked, there is a 758,400 sq mile country in between us. They can stay in Mexico.
Until we have Utopia here, and let me tell you, it's far from it now, we don't need to be making things worse by bringing in more people from shithole countries that can't speak English that we have to pay for.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ... but with more detail.
Quote:As I posted, we've "intervened" in eery nation south of the border (except Costa Rica) - some of them multiple times - on behalf of our banks, transnationals, and the landowners and juntas who serve them Honduras is one such unfortunate recipient of our kind attentions
How US policy in Honduras set the stage for today’s mass migration
Central American migrants – particularly unaccompanied minors – are again crossing the U.S.-Mexico boundary in large numbers.
In 2014, more than 68,000 unaccompanied Central American children were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico boundary. This year so far there have been close to 60,000.
The mainstream narrative often reduces the causes of migration to factors unfolding in migrants’ home countries. In reality, migration is often a manifestation of a profoundly unequal and exploitative relationship between migrant-sending countries and countries of destination. Understanding this is vital to making immigration policy more effective and ethical.
Through my research on immigration and border policing, I have learned a lot about these dynamics. One example involves relations between Honduras and the United States.
U.S. roots of Honduran emigration
I first visited Honduras in 1987 to do research. As I walked around the city of Comayagua, many thought that I, a white male with short hair in his early 20’s, was a U.S. soldier. This was because hundreds of U.S. soldiers were stationed at the nearby Palmerola Air Base at the time. Until shortly before my arrival, many of them would frequent Comayagua, particularly its “red zone” of female sex workers.
U.S. military presence in Honduras and the roots of Honduran migration to the United States are closely linked. It began in the late 1890s, when U.S.-based banana companies first became active there.
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As historian Walter LaFeber writes in “Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America,” American companies “built railroads, established their own banking systems, and bribed government officials at a dizzying pace.” As a result, the Caribbean coast “became a foreign-controlled enclave that systematically swung the whole of Honduras into a one-crop economy whose wealth was carried off to New Orleans, New York, and later Boston.”
By 1914, U.S. banana interests owned almost 1 million acres of Honduras’ best land. These holdings grew through the 1920s to such an extent that, as LaFeber asserts, Honduran peasants “had no hope of access to their nation’s good soil.” Over a few decades, U.S. capital also came to dominate the country’s banking and mining sectors, a process facilitated by the weak state of Honduras’ domestic business sector. This was coupled with direct U.S. political and military interventions to protect U.S. interests in 1907 and 1911.
Such developments made Honduras’ ruling class dependent on Washington for support. A central component of this ruling class was and remains the Honduran military. By the mid-1960s it had become, in LaFeber’s words, the country’s “most developed political institution,” – one that Washington played a key role in shaping.
The Reagan era
A U.S. military advisor instructs Honduran troopers in Puerto Castilla, Honduras, in 1983. AP Photo
This was especially the case during the presidency of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. At that time, U.S. political and military policy was so influential that many referred to the Central American country as the “U.S.S. Honduras” and the Pentagon Republic.
As part of its effort to overthrow the Sandinista government in neighboring Nicaragua and “roll back” the region’s leftist movements, the Reagan administration “temporarily” stationed several hundred U.S. soldiers in Honduras. Moreover, it trained and sustained Nicaragua’s “contra” rebels on Honduran soil, while greatly increasinNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Avenatti: The government can't match removed children to mothers
Michael Avenatti, attorney for a former foster facility employee, talks with Rachel Maddow about his client who smuggled video out of the facility to show the consequences of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" border policy.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/avenatti-the-government-can-t
-match-removed-children-to-mothers-1263877699908?playlist=associated
And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.
Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.
Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.
I don't see how this isn't kidnapping and very prosecutable. I hope there are many lawsuits.
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Stephen Miller's apartment building target of immigration protest
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/06/25/ste
phen-millers-apartment-building-target-immigration-protest/733162002/
White House senior adviser Stephen Miller famously used the adjective “cosmopolitan” to insult CNN’s Jim Acosta during an exchange in the White House briefing room last week, implying that the journalist somehow bore an air of swampy elitism.
But wait, what’s that expression about people in glass houses?
It turns out that Miller calls home a nearly $1 million condo in CityCenter, one of Washington’s poshest addresses and a complex that proudly offers residents an upscale, urbane lifestyle. With high-end international retailers such as Hermès and Gucci on the street level alongside fancy Italian, Asian and French eateries, the building is billed as “the new ideal for sophisticated, modern, urban living.” Also in the marketing materials is the slogan: “You are where you live.”
Which would make Miller … well, pretty cosmopolitan, in a city that is arguably among the most cosmopolitan in the world.
And all this time, I figured he slept in a coffin in the white house basement.
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Surreptitious video offers peek at impact of Trump border policy
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/surreptitious-video-offers-pe
ek-at-impact-of-trump-border-policy-1263872579594?playlist=associated
In which you can hear a woman telling the kids they shouldn't speak to the press, or they don't know what will happen to them.
FREEDUMB!
Explain that away, trolls.
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I decided to try again.
You state that I failed to make my point; according to whom?
Secondly, you and your comrades make all kinds of accusations and comments that
borders on delusional. You make comments that, quite frankly, boggles the mind.
But let's not quibble over that. I submit my remarks and comments based mainly on
common sense. At times, I do a little research so that I know what I'm talking about. Most times I ignored your insults and attempts at ridicule, but every once in a while I load up the shotgun and fire both barrels.
If you don't like my little contributions to RWED, tough.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having failed to make your case here...
This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62480
and here...
speaking of the news
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62476
... you start YET ANOTHER THREAD on the same topic with the same amount of spittle? Why don't you just go back to the other threads and address the points which you failed to answer the first couple-of-dozen-times?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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That's what I've concluded. This is kidnapping and child abuse at the very least.
Those kids, especially the very young ones, have been traumatized and may never recover. Now I suspect that Keeks, Sigs, JSF and Six will make the "brilliant" comments that the parents
are to blame.
Fuck that! There are other ways to handle this influx of desperate people. Plus
I've heard stories of how ICE and border patrol set up and lie to the parents,
then steal the child under false pretenses. They cut off access to legal entry
on the Points of Entry, then they tell the parents that they are going to give
the kids a bath. The parents assure the children that it's okay, and off they go.
Now that is downright scumbag behavior. Well, what do you expect from a scumbag
president (you like how I worked "scumbag" into the conversation, don't you Sig?).
SGG
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.
Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.
I don't see how this isn't kidnapping and very prosecutable. I hope there are many lawsuits.
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1000% Agree RF. Keeping children indoors, with windowless "tents," 22 out of 24 hours sounds like jail to me. Kudos to the woman who bravely videotaped the little girl in the New York facility (delivered in the dead of night and without so
much as a phone call to the mayor).
My heart broke watching as she cried for her mom and dad.
SGG
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Avenatti: The government can't match removed children to mothers
Michael Avenatti, attorney for a former foster facility employee, talks with Rachel Maddow about his client who smuggled video out of the facility to show the consequences of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" border policy.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/avenatti-the-government-can-t
-match-removed-children-to-mothers-1263877699908?playlist=associated
And Blumpy's supporters still have the gall to say they aren't all the same, they aren't all crazy racists, they aren't bad people just because they support him.
Supporting Donald Trump is supporting tearing children, toddlers, babies from their parents and not keeping a single record so they can never be returned. It's unforgivable. It's unconscionable. We keep hitting new lows and I am horrified to think what might be next. But god forbid you think that Trump supporters are bad people.
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Lets call it wut it iz: kidnapping.
Just kuz its the gummit doing it duznt make it sumthing else.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.7532020.com
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Quote:Yup.
Originally posted by JO753:
Lets call it wut it iz: kidnapping.
Just kuz its the gummit doing it duznt make it sumthing else.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.7532020.com
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Thank god they cancelled Roseanne before she becomes the first female President.
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Fox & Friends tries to ambush Democrat who supports abolishing ICE and it does not go well
Unable to win the debate, host Brian Kilmeade abruptly ended his interview with Rep. Mark Pocan.
https://thinkprogress.org/mark-pocan-brian-kilmeade-abolish-ice-fox-an
d-friends-faa212e2218c/
"Despite being presented with the facts, an agitated Kilmeade told Pocan that what he was saying about ICE was “all your opinion. You have no stats.” He then suggested Pocan would be better off using his time to personally try and apprehend undocumented immigrants."
Yay, Fox! LOL!
Police official accidentally debunks Trump’s MS-13 rant with a single stat
The president would have you believe Long Island is a war zone. It isn't.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ms-13-hysteria-exposed-long-island-8a6
f5fe7989e/
Oopsie! LOL!
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Here, so you'll stop your bellyaching...……….
http://ktla.com/2018/06/26/san-diego-federal-judge-considers-aclu-requ
est-to-have-all-children-affected-by-immigration-policy-reunited-with-parents-within-30-days/
Judge orders Trump Regime to return kids to parents - PRONTO!!!
SGG
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And now- Baby stealing for Christian indoctrination!
Christian Non-Profit Faces Scrutiny Over Government Foster Care Contract for Separated Children
Bethany Christian Services, which has links to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has fostered out at least 81 children taken from their parents at the U.S. border.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-fami
ly-separation-betsy-devos/
"The organization has existing contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services to provide refugee resettlement services, as well as more overtly Christian initiatives such as abstinence-only sex education, and “healthy marriage promotion.”
We sent Bethany Christian Services a series of detailed questions, including what the end date for the provision of foster services is on the organization’s contract with the Department of Health and Human Services, whether the terms of the contract prohibited or allowed for the for the future possibility that separated children in Bethany’s care might be legally adopted by American families, as well as what the fees paid to Bethany by the government are. We did not receive a response of any kind.
We also sent similar detailed questions to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, including whether it was keeping a record of the identity and whereabouts of each child contracted out into foster care, and each child’s parents, as well as requesting some very basic facts on the number of separated children placed in foster care, and the names of the organizations being paid for it. We did not receive a response to any of our questions."
Looks suspicious to me.
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Legal definition of genocide
Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
(1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Oopsie!
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
And now- Baby stealing for Christian indoctrination!
Christian Non-Profit Faces Scrutiny Over Government Foster Care Contract for Separated Children
Bethany Christian Services, which has links to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has fostered out at least 81 children taken from their parents at the U.S. border.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-fami
ly-separation-betsy-devos/
"The organization has existing contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services to provide refugee resettlement services, as well as more overtly Christian initiatives such as abstinence-only sex education, and “healthy marriage promotion.”
We sent Bethany Christian Services a series of detailed questions, including what the end date for the provision of foster services is on the organization’s contract with the Department of Health and Human Services, whether the terms of the contract prohibited or allowed for the for the future possibility that separated children in Bethany’s care might be legally adopted by American families, as well as what the fees paid to Bethany by the government are. We did not receive a response of any kind.
We also sent similar detailed questions to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, including whether it was keeping a record of the identity and whereabouts of each child contracted out into foster care, and each child’s parents, as well as requesting some very basic facts on the number of separated children placed in foster care, and the names of the organizations being paid for it. We did not receive a response to any of our questions."
Looks suspicious to me.
The White House is into human trafficking now - swell. You suppose Miller gets a commission on each child?
Seriously - who prosecutes human traffickers? Is that ACLU bringing a civil suit on behalf of parents?
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The Trump administration is not answering basic questions about separation of migrant families
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-not-answering-basic-qu
estions-separation-migrant-families-211920669.html
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders similarly dodged a question the day before about the situation at the border. Daily Caller reporter Saagar Enjeti asked Sanders point blank, “What is current U.S. policy at the border?” Enjeti went on to specify that he wanted to know if the “zero tolerance” policy is still in effect. Sanders responded that Trump’s executive order “bought some time for Congress” to come up with a larger immigration reform solution. Her answer did not address whether the zero tolerance policy was still in effect and whether children were still being taken from their parents at the border.
“The clock is ticking. And Congress needs to act to fix this process because we’re running out of time on what we have the ability to do, particularly with the district court that weighed in just last week,” Sanders said.
Along with not answering whether immigrant children are still being taken from their parents, Trump administration officials are declining to provide updates on how many separated children remain in custody. On Monday, Splinter News received a statement from HHS that said it would no longer provide this information due to pending court cases and “the constantly changing number of unaccompanied alien children in our care.”
“While we understand the interest in detailed breakdowns of this information, our mission has been and remains to provide every minor transferred to HHS, regardless of the circumstances, with quality and age-appropriate care and a speedy and safe release to a sponsor,” the statement said.
A sponsor? What about their PARENTS?
SCUMBAG!
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Families Belong Together: Child Separation as a Function of Capital
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/05/families-belong-together-child
-separation-as-a-function-of-capital/
Given the current channeling of children separated from their parents at the border into a foster-care/adoption industry primed to disconnect them from their families, communities, and cultures, a review of the history of this practice will go far to reveal the bigger picture that must be addressed if we are to claim any kind of socially progressive stance concerning these children and their families.
A history of scumbags.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Families Belong Together: Child Separation as a Function of Capital
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/05/families-belong-together-child
-separation-as-a-function-of-capital/
Given the current channeling of children separated from their parents at the border into a foster-care/adoption industry primed to disconnect them from their families, communities, and cultures, a review of the history of this practice will go far to reveal the bigger picture that must be addressed if we are to claim any kind of socially progressive stance concerning these children and their families.
A history of scumbags.
Yup... The humane thing to do would be to ship them all back together.
Especially since nobody is going to adopt a Mexican kid.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Analysis: If kids separated from their parents can’t hold our attention, what will?
Public attention has moved, but the news hasn't: The separated families on the border are still waiting to be reunited.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/06/kids-parents-immigration-separ
ation-texas-mexico/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_content=5654823845
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After Trump's Latest Racist, Sexist "Pocahontas" Rant, Warren Hits Back: "Your Admin Is Conducting DNA Tests on Little Kids Because You Ripped Them From Their Mamas"
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/07/06/after-trumps-latest-racis
t-sexist-pocahontas-rant-warren-hits-back-your-admin
"Maybe you should focus on fixing the lives you're destroying," the Massachusetts senator added
SCUMBAG!
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Yes, the ACLU filed a lawsuit for, I believe, a temporary restraining order and the Federal judge granted their suit and has ordered the trump Administration to return the separated children to their families:
U.S. District Court Judge Dana Sabraw, based in San Diego, issued a preliminary
injunction on June 26 ordering the Trump Admin. to return children younger than 5 within 14 days (on or about July 10) and those 5 and older within 30 days
(on or about July 26). Below is the link.
http://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/26/judge-orders-trump-reunite-mi
grant-families-678809
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Blasting the Trump administration for what he called “a chaotic circumstance of the Government’s own making,” Sabraw said it was a “startling reality” that no adequate planning had been done before officials embarked on a policy to separate children from parents kept in immigration custody or referred for criminal prosecution. The practice has led to more than 2,300 children being separated from their parents or other family members.
“The government readily keeps track of personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration proceedings,” Sabraw wrote in his 24-page order. “Money, important documents, and automobiles, to name a few, are routinely catalogued, stored, tracked and produced upon a detainee’s release, at all levels — state and federal, citizen and alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of, provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property. Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process.”
And for those who worry that the country will be overrun by "brown" babies:
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The preliminary injunction also blocks deporting parents who have been separated from their children “unless the Class Member affirmatively, knowingly, and voluntarily declines to be reunited with the child prior to the Class Member’s deportation, or there is a determination that the parent is unfit or presents a danger to the child.” The judge also prohibited future family separations, with limited exceptions.
There's more:
Quote:
“The right to family integrity still applies here,” the judge wrote. “The context of the family separation practice at issue here, namely an international border, does not render the practice constitutional, nor does it shield the practice from judicial review.”
Sabraw also said the government has an affirmative duty to reunite parents with their children, not simply to hand out toll-free numbers that immigrants can call to try to locate their kids, who are typically in the legal custody of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement, or ORR.
SGG
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
And now- Baby stealing for Christian indoctrination!
Christian Non-Profit Faces Scrutiny Over Government Foster Care Contract for Separated Children
Bethany Christian Services, which has links to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has fostered out at least 81 children taken from their parents at the U.S. border.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-fami
ly-separation-betsy-devos/
"The organization has existing contracts with the Department of Health and Human Services to provide refugee resettlement services, as well as more overtly Christian initiatives such as abstinence-only sex education, and “healthy marriage promotion.”
We sent Bethany Christian Services a series of detailed questions, including what the end date for the provision of foster services is on the organization’s contract with the Department of Health and Human Services, whether the terms of the contract prohibited or allowed for the for the future possibility that separated children in Bethany’s care might be legally adopted by American families, as well as what theNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The MSM is failing, just like they did with the Flint Michigan water crisis and
the Puerto Rico Hurricane relief effort.....but, I've been watching particularly
good coverage on the Migrant Family Separation fiasco on MSNBC. They have pretty
much wall-to-wall coverage and a couple of specials on the administration's
part in all of this.
They interviewed a high ranking officer within the border patrol that proved
interesting. A question was posed to hi regarding the number of MS-13 gang
members that they captured in a year. The answer was not very surprising to me:
180 gang members trying to cross the border, out of 187,000...that's less than
1%. To hear Trump tell it, he makes it seem that it's more thousands are entering
the U.S.
I've also heard some truly horror stories regarding the kids detention. I will search those interviews and post them here.
This is Chris Hayes on the HHS confusion over how many children they have in custody.
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/hhs-chief-vague-about-how-many-kids-
separated-from-parents-1271102019580
SGG
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Analysis: If kids separated from their parents can’t hold our attention, what will?
Public attention has moved, but the news hasn't: The separated families on the border are still waiting to be reunited.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/06/kids-parents-immigration-separ
ation-texas-mexico/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_content=5654823845
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The Trump admin just told a federal judge that 19 parents of children under 5 years old have already been deported. They are arguing that they shouldn't have to reunite them with their kids. The ACLU is pushing back.
https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/1015324747532570624
SCUMBAG!
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MS-13 Gang Leader Getting Some Pretty Great Ideas From Watching ICE Work
https://www.theonion.com/ms-13-gang-leader-getting-some-pretty-great-i
deas-from-1826961586
SAN SALVADOR, EL SALVADOR—Praising U.S. law enforcement officials for the unfettered cruelty they have unleashed along the Mexican border, MS-13 gang leader Edwin Manica Flores admitted Tuesday that observing ICE’s work in recent weeks has provided him with quite a bit of inspiration.
“Seriously, we would have never thought of keeping kids in a cage like that—in fact, that’s kind of off-limits for us—but you can’t deny the genius behind it,” said Manica Flores, observing that when one of these children or parents goes on to commit suicide out of sheer grief, federal authorities won’t even be held criminally liable for the death.
“Sure, we have our fair share of evil tactics, but that ICE shit is next-level brilliant. I guess we can’t beat ourselves up too much, though, considering those guys have one of the most powerful governments in the world backing them. I’d love to meet one of those ICE motherfuckers, just to pick his brain a little, you know? We may force 9-year-olds to join MS-13, but the United States is putting them in cages like wild animals. That’s straight savage!”
Manica Flores went on to suggest that if his men were half as nasty as ICE, they would control 100 percent of U.S. drug trafficking within weeks.
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Judge tells U.S. to pay costs of reuniting migrant families
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-weigh-rules-u-works-reunite-migrant-f
amilies-100459600.html
One parent was initially asked to pay $1,900 to be reunited with their child, according to court papers from the ACLU.
Sarah Fabian, a lawyer for the government, said those decisions were handled at the field level and said the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which houses detained children, had limited resources. She called the judge's order "a huge ask on HHS."
They seemed to have no trouble funding the separation in the first place but now that they need to fix it they are magically out of money.
Looks like they had no plan for ever returning the kids.
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