Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 00:47
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Give it up GHOULMAN you can't win. You have to let it run its course, it is unlikely that Canada is next on the invasion list. But when you start hearing talk about changing the law so bush can say on for another 4 years (to finish his "war on terror") then worry - then start to prepare for WWIII
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Anyway, I did find this file about the recent election by Steven Freeman PhD:
http://truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf
Before it gets categorized as just another whack-job manifesto, I did look up his bona fides on the internet:
http://www.getcited.org/mbrz/11068805
http://center.grad.upenn.edu/center/nav.cgi?page=freeman
Since I'm not sure how long the links will be active, here is some information from the paper:
"Exit polls showed him (Kerry) ahead in nearly every battleground state, in many cases by sizeable margins. ... But then in key state after key state, counts were showing very different numbers than the polls predicted, and the differentials were all in the same direction. ... in every one, the shift favors Bush."
"The media has largely ignored this discrepancy, suggesting that the polls were flawed, within normal sampling error, or that it was a statistical anomaly. In this paper, I examine the likelihood of each of these assumptions: validity of exit polls, sampling error, and the possibility of statistical anomaly."
He then goes on to briefly discuss who did the media exit polls for the election. He then addresses the history and overall reliability of exit polls around the world (excellent predictive power.)
He then analyzes the exit polls of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania, and concludes that the likelihood Kerry received only 48.5% of the vote in Ohio (as counted) when the exit poll indicated 52.1% of the vote was less than 1/1,000; for Florida the chances of a count of 47.1% of the vote as compared to the exit poll of 49.7% was less than 3/1,000; and for Pennsylvania the chance of a count of 50.8% as compared to a poll of 54.1% was less than 2/1,000. Any two together were 1/ 1 million, three together were 1/ 250 million.
He then examines several factors that may (or may not) have affected the exit polls.
He then concludes: "I have tried to demonstrate that exit poll data is fundamentally sound, that deviations between exit poll predictions and vote tallies in the three critical battleground states could not have occurred strictly by chance or random error, and that no solid explanations have as yet been provided to explain this discrepancy. ...
Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion, but the unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable hypothesis ..."
Finally, from Government Computing News:
http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/27882-1.html
11/11/04
GAO investigation of e-voting problems requested
By William Jackson
GCN Staff
"Half-a-dozen Democratic congressmen have asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate reports of voting irregularities in the Nov. 2 election, many of them involving electronic touch-screen voting machines.
A Nov. 5 letter to comptroller general David M. Walker cited news reports of problems in California, Florida, North Carolina and Ohio in which thousands of votes were erroneously recorded, deleted or added."
Whether or not these items get pursued is to be seen.
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Criminals learn from the mistakes of criminals before them. Nixon made some very instructive mistakes, as did Reagan. This new bunch seems to have it down, but they all have relied upon plausible deniability for their success. As long as there is any chance, any chance at all that their criminal actions could be the result of an astronomical fluke, Americans have shown that they will swallow any coincidence theory.
Folks on this board have likened our country to a disfunctional family. As long as the family is focused on an external threat they will close ranks and protect their father's good name, even when their father is a criminal.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by JenDandy:
A question for Ghoulman, not to offend, just out of curiousity (plus you can't get angry at someone who knows bugger all about politics, am I right?):
If you're in Canada why do you care so much about what's going on in the U.S.? No country is perfect, not even yours, surely so if you feel so strongly about politics -forgive me if you have before- why don't you start some threads on what's wrong with where you live?
Sig Rebel
amen
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Regrettably I was only a short-term resident of Canada (6mos). But I lived there long enough to know it may not be Camelot, but it's a sight better than the US*. So, out of curiosity, do either one of you know much about Canada?
* http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/us_poverty
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States ranks 27th in a study of social progress worldwide due to social service budget cuts and chronic poverty plaguing major US cities, a University of Pennyslvania report found.
"The United States has gone from 18th in the world to 27th. We are now at the same level as Poland and Slovenia," said professor Richard Estes, author of the 2004 Report Card on World Social Progress, a quality of life ranking.
The ranking, based on data governments relay to the United Nations, and the World Bank, measures countries' capacity to meet citizens' needs in terms of health care, education, human rights, and cultural diversity and other factors.
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The Ghoulman is right again. Tom Browkaw is a liar!
Why do you doubt the Ghoulman? How long o' Lord?
GAO to Investigate Voting Irregularies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4636340,00.html
Thursday November 25, 2004 1:31 AM
By LARRY MARGASAK
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress' investigative agency, responding to complaints from around the country, has begun to look into the Nov. 2 vote count, including the handling of provisional ballots and malfunctions of voting machines.
The presidential results won't change, but the studies could lead to changes.
The Government Accountability Office usually begins investigations in response to specific requests from Congress, but the agency's head, Comptroller General David Walker, said the GAO acted on its own because of the many comments it received about ballot counting.
GAO officials said the investigation was not triggered by a request from several House Democrats, who wrote the agency this month seeking an investigation. The effort, led by senior Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers of Michigan, was not joined by any Republicans.
CLICK THE LINK FOR THE ARTICLE
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The most recent example of Republican manipulation is notorious. After the Bush-Gore race for the presidency in 2000, it later emerged that, under the governorship of George W's brother Jeb in Florida, around 30,000 black voters (overwhelmingly Democratic) had been illegally excluded from the voting rolls. When a stop was put to the recounts in the state, Bush was declared the winner by fewer than 540 votes.
http://www.newstatesman.com
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Special Report
Saudis, Enron money helped pay for US rigged election
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen
.html
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
November 25, 2004—According to informed sources in Washington and Houston, the Bush campaign spent some $29 million to pay polling place operatives around the country to rig the election for Bush. The operatives were posing as Homeland Security and FBI agents but were actually technicians familiar with Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Triad, Unilect, and Danaher Controls voting machines. These technicians reportedly hacked the systems to skew the results in favor of Bush.
The leak about the money and the rigged election apparently came from technicians who were promised to be paid a certain amount for their work but the Bush campaign interlocutors reneged and some of the technicians are revealing the nature of the vote rigging program.
There have been media reports from around the country concerning the locking down of precincts while votes were being tallied. In one unprecedented action in Warren County, Ohio, election officials locked down the facility where votes were being counted. The officials said this was in response to a Level 10 high-threat terrorist warning being issued by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI for Warren County. George Bush won 72 percent of the vote in Warren County, much larger than his percentage of victory statewide.
The money to rig the election in favor of Bush reportedly came from an entity called Five Star Trust, largely based in Houston but a worldwide entity that is directly tied to the Saudi Royal Family. Five Star Trust was termed "a well-protected vehicle" that has been used to support both Bush and Osama bin Laden in the US and around the world.
Other money used to fund the election rigging was from siphoned Enron money stored away in accounts in the Cook Islands, which was once the base of one of the more questionable and Saudi-linked BCCI subsidiaries. Cook Islands banks also handled some of the weapons smuggling financing of the Iran-Contra scandal. A former Justice Department attorney who helped prosecute the BCCI case said the use of the Cook Islands by the Bush reelection team indicates they wanted the bank arrangements to be a "quick folding tent" operation that would cease to exist when the election was over. He said the Cook Islands was notorious for not requiring any documentation for such operations
Wayne Madsen
Senior Fellow, Electronic Privacy Information Center
Mr. Madsen is a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a non-partisan privacy public advocacy group in Washington, DC. He works with member of Congress and congressional committees on legislation and hearings of common interest.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/madsen.html
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ ? It's not some old ladies responsibility to make sure American voter laws aren't corrupted. Really. Sheesh, you are ignorant. Shut up!
So I'm ignorant because I expect her to be responsible and make sure that her vote counts?? How is that ignorant? It's called taking responsibility for the things that one can control. If you cannot place your vote, then it IS your responsibility to bring it up when you are voting, NOT AFTERWARDS. Plain and simple. Basically, because she (and others) did not make a scene when it happened, it allowed other people to vote on that faulty (tampered with) machine, and essentially allowed it to misinterpret their votes. If it was a paper ballot and that ballot was "lost", then of course it would not be her fault that she couldn't do anything about it. This is like if it only said "Bush" on a paper ballot and you couldn't even vote for Kerry on it. If you know you cannot vote for a person that you know you should be able to vote for, there is an expectation that you bring it up immediately to the officials, then if they don't do anything, you call the voting hotline, or your local representative. Voting is a right AND a responsibility, not JUST a right. We were not given the right to vote, we had to fight for it. We have that right because people stood up and fought against oppression to get it. They didn't just say "Oh well, it doesn't count, so I guess I'll just complain about it" and get it. It wasn't the laws that caused the problems with the election, it was people. The law didn't force her to not say anything when that machine didn't work, she decided it wasn't worthwhile to do so, or she was afraid to. Every person here in the US, if they are eligible, have the right to vote and the responsibility to make sure that they did everything they could to make sure it counted, old or no, minority or no, blind or no, deaf or no, low-IQ or no, and if they cannot themselves, find someone who can for them. The people who are willing to bend election laws and corrupt an otherwise good election system count on these people, because they know that they will not cause a fuss when they actually try to vote. Who is easier to fool, a person who knows their rights and will stand up for them, or someone who will let anything happen and just bitch about it afterwards? If there was corruption in this election (which I am not convinced of, even though I didn't vote for Bush nor Kerry, I voted for someone else) then they need to stand trial for it and be thrown in prison. But, that still doesn't take that lady off of the hook for not doing anything about it.
If it is ignorant to expect people to do their part, then I guess I am. I'd rather be ignorant and know 100% that I did everything to make sure my vote counted that I could than to be pissing and moaning because I was too lazy to do anything about it when I did vote. I guess it's too much to expect people to actually know their rights and stand up for them. And people wonder why we have so many problems in this country......
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
...Folks on this board have likened our country to a disfunctional family. As long as the family is focused on an external threat they will close ranks and protect their father's good name, even when their father is a criminal...
You know, reading this makes me reflect that we had an external enemy for over 45 years in the Soviet Union. With the fall of the Warsaw pact someone may have found it in their best interest to manufacture another one.
Oh, and since I happen to be an American and a technical professional let me say that the voting machines are amazingly easy to hack. One was hacked on national TV in about 90 seconds. I can dig up a link if anyone is interested.
I'd prefer paper and pencils deposited in a locked ballot box. Keep it simple and stupid.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
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