Are you going to boycott "SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY"
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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 18:57
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So basically Solo copied GoTG. Now there's a revelation, a unique and quantifiable expression of a pop culture phenomenon...namely Star Wars. A unique experience born out of a unremarkable period of the sci-fi domain. Lucas used old footage out of World War II air battles to simulate the battles he imagined that would occur in space. Hence, the "bomber squad" scene in the Last Jedi, a fete that defied gravitational logic.
Granted, Star Wars is forty years in the making, and/or telling, but my take on all of this is that Star Wars took the stories of Flash Gordon, Commando Cody, Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, War of the Worlds, Earth vs. The Flying Saucers, yes even Plan 9 from Outer Space; and brought it into the modern era of sci-fi film. Oh, let's not forget the incomparable 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes Second, it may be true what you depict in your response, but I dare say that film history will note that without Star Wars...well, you know the rest. Guardians of the Galaxy followed the formula; they did not break the mold, but added to it. Bravo, I say.
Peter Quill is Han Solo, Groot is Chewbacca, etc. GoTG is an excellent sci-fi film full of fun and flights of fancy. There is no mistaking it's appeal. I'll take it a step further, that loveable scoundrel has existed since the early days of film, way back in the 30s. I give you, Charlie Chaplin. Yes, I'm going back that far, before talkies. And it has worked throughout the years; Errol Flynn as Robin Hood; Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man; Mel Ferrer as Cyrano. You get it, I'm sure. Derivative, perhaps. But saying that Solo is derivative of GoTG is like putting the cart before the horse. The only thing that's changed is the background of the story, the surroundings, but at it's core; the same old loveable wise-cracking chap moviegoers have fallen in love with since the days of the horse and cart is ever present.
As far as Solo goes. It is fun, it is lighthearted and thoroughly entertaining and serves the Star Wars story of the hero's journey by the beloved character of Han Solo. I would put it right up there with Rogue One. There is one character in Solo that puts me in mind of GoTG, as far as the wisecracking co-pilot is concerned. It also puts me in mind of a certain captain with tight pants, and a certain train robbery. By the way, just to keep things in perspective, there is a movie, in history, that depicts a group of train robbers...it is known as The Great Train Robbery, 1903. Hmmmm, The Train Job, Firefly, 2002. But, I digress.
I went in with an open mind, but expecting the worst; mainly from all the online vitriol and general overall "hate" of the Last Jedi. I did briefly give the "boycott" a thought, but then said to myself..."go see and judge for yourself."
Fuck it, I'm judging for myself...I liked this movie. Was it the greatest Star Wars movie of all time? No. Was it lighthearted fun and entertaining?...you betcha.
Was Alden Enrenreich Harrison Ford?, No. He was Han Solo as you would think him to be early on in his life. A scoundrel in the making, a young Han Solo. He served the character well, and therefore, served the story well. Thank you Ron Howard for doing a masterful job of not totally fucking with the characters we grew to love.
While I'm at it, thank you George Lucas for keeping him drawing inside the lines. Sometimes that works.
Solo had the grit and old feel of the original Star Wars movie. In other words, not perfectly shiny and new, not totally antiseptic like the prequels; and, most importantly, no Jar Jar Binks. This was a flashback to what made Star Wars, well...Star Wars. It started out slow, but picked up momentum and gathered speed, intrigue and the like as it went along. Yes, Glover was charming as Lando (with all his capes, which I found to be brilliant); but Emilia Clarke who nailed her role as the lovely Kira (Solo's love interest) deserves mention. Harrelson was his usual solidNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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I gave not yet seen Solo. Regarding universal comparisons with Sci-Fi, IIRC Lucas said that he tried to make a classic Cowboys and Indians, but in space. I think he nailed it with A New Hope. I'm not currently thinking of any other Sci-Fi work that truly duplicates this feat, the excitement and thrill. Star Trek was more pondering, contemplating science - maybe Khan and Voyage Home came closest. Firefly maybe did it best, but Fox was perturbed at the too literal Cowboy factor.
I think Rogue One copied the sensation well, Valerian tried. Edge of Tomorrow was exciting. Aliens did it.
Did GotG really have that same feel? Space Oddessey was not in the ballpark.Quote:
Solo was like a New Hope with it's Western motif. I only brought up Space Odyssey because of it's unique sci-fi vibe, unlike anything else I've seen. But no, that movie does not have a Western theme. Solo has that Firefly vibe where things don't go "smooth" and, again, that part of Firefly was influenced by Star Wars. There's lots of that in Solo. It recaptured that frontier spirit where our BDH went off to strike deals and line their pockets with cashy money. They even have a Adlai Niska character.
As far as GoTG is concerned, I'm not really sure.
SGG
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Quote:'Solo: A Star Wars Story' is a great show but make no mistake, “Solo” has problems. The script is godawful but the actors are so charming that it's worth seeing (and maybe making a better sequel).
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another quality reposting copied reposting of a non-FireflyFan's words by somebody without an original thought in their head.
The equivalent of requesting a Prime Rib and getting a Whopper patty.
This film is perhaps one of the most enjoyable blockbusters that Star Wars has produced. If it had arrived before “The Last Jedi” it would be the best film Disney-Lucasfilm had done to date. All of that is due to the second director who came aboard the production in its hour of need, Ron Howard.
The backstage drama of “Solo” became impossible to hide when original directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired in a spectacular fashion with less than three weeks to go before filming was finished.
From the sounds of the gossip, one of the major reasons for Lord & Miller’s firing was a refusal to stick to the script. After seeing it, one can see why they turned to improvisation and over-the-top comedy in order to triage what they were handed; they didn't have the depth of experience to figure out how to solve a film with a baseline problem of this nature. Howard, being a far more seasoned filmmaker, understood there was another way to solve a film like this: Get everyone on screen to turn the charm up to 11 and keep it there. The result is so effective that I left the theater thinking I wouldn’t mind a sequel.
Just maybe next time? Get better writers.
www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/solo-star-wars-story-great-show-terrible
-film-ncna877711
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I saw Solo on Thursday night and have plans to see it again this afternoon, and then possibly later in the week -- all with different folks, so that's a feature of the number of different people I know who want to see it, not necessarily my opinion.
However, having seen it once, I am very much looking forward to seeing it two more times.
I enjoyed the movie. I found it highly entertaining and a lot of fun, although I will admit that it's far from perfect.
I think that that those who go in expecting to enjoy it will find a lot to like, while those who go in expecting it to be bad will find a lot to complain about... and they'll all be right.
Trying to remain spoiler-free: The movie gives us a new view of Solo that actually adds fairly significantly to our understanding of the character without undercutting what we already know about him.
The movie is solid and has a lot of good stuff, but at times, it moves too briskly (there were parts where I wanted things to slow down and be explored more). Ultimately, I think that, as a standalone, Rogue One was a superior movie, but Solo is more fun.
Personally, I don't know that the comparison to GotG is a fair one. I suppose there are some similarities, but you could say the same of any semi-lighthearted height movie in the sci fi genre.
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I read that NBC article and found it very interesting and on point. In the hands of a talented director like Howard, the finished product turned out to be not so bad. I did enjoy myself; mainly cause, as I said before, they served the overall story and the characters well.
I did get that feeling at the end that a sequel would not be such a bad idea. It actually begs for a follow-up movie. What's going to happen to Qi'Ra and Han? What about the Crimson Dawn, or whatever their name is? One thing that's for sure we need better writers, and better directors. Perhaps hire a better producer, one that will plot out an overall story arc for the franchise a la Kevin Fiege at MCU.
For the billions that Disney has spent, you would think they would have more sense.
Spoilers!
Oh, and one last thing. Enough with the Me Too/social justice clubbing. We get it, women are awesome. Mind you, it was brief and only slightly annoying, but it was a weak attempt at Disney humor. Please leave that for the Disney Channel. Princess Leia was doing it some 40 years ago already. What I suggest is have some kick-ass female Jedi and more of Thandie Newton, who was awesome by the way. Don't kill off one of the best characters in the first half hour. I want to see her story.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:'Solo: A Star Wars Story' is a great show but make no mistake, “Solo” has problems. The script is godawful but the actors are so charming that it's worth seeing (and maybe making a better sequel).
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another quality reposting copied reposting of a non-FireflyFan's words by somebody without an original thought in their head.
The equivalent of requesting a Prime Rib and getting a Whopper patty.
This film is perhaps one of the most enjoyable blockbusters that Star Wars has produced. If it had arrived before “The Last Jedi” it would be the best film Disney-Lucasfilm had done to date. All of that is due to the second director who came aboard the production in its hour of need, Ron Howard.
The backstage drama of “Solo” became impossible to hide when original directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired in a spectacular fashion with less than three weeks to go before filming was finished.
From the sounds of the gossip, one of the major reasons for Lord & Miller’s firing was a refusal to stick to the script. After seeing it, one can see why they turned to improvisation and over-the-top comedy in order to triage what they were handed; they didn't have the depth of experience to figure out how to solve a film with a baseline problem of this nature. Howard, being a far more seasoned filmmaker, understood there was another way to solve a film like this: Get everyone on screen to turn the charm up to 11 and keep it there. The result is so effective that I left the theater thinking I wouldn’t mind a sequel.
Just maybe next time? Get better writers.
www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/solo-star-wars-story-great-show-terrible
-film-ncna877711
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Oh, and one last thing. Enough with the Me Too/social justice clubbing. We get it, women are awesome. Mind you, it was brief and only slightly annoying, but it was a weak attempt at Disney humor. Please leave that for the Disney Channel. Princess Leia was doing it some 40 years ago already. What I suggest is have some kick-ass female Jedi and more of Thandie Newton, who was awesome by the way. Don't kill off one of the best characters in the first half hour. I want to see her story.
Yerp.
Alien did it just fine in 1979 and upped the ante in 1986 when Sigorney Weaver became a full fledged Badass. The same could be said of Terminator and Terminator 2 with Linda Hamilton. Nobody went around virtue signaling how great these movies were or how amazing these women were. The movies were great and the women who portrayed the main characters were amazing.
Incidentally, the producer's name for Aliens was Gale Anne Hurd. She has since gone on to become the recording secretary for the Producer's Guild of America and she is the founder of Valhalla Entertainment, which has produced The Walking Dead and its spinoff.
Most of her accolades were accomplished long before anybody even heard the word Patriarchy. It's women like her that should be thought of as heroes for little girls, but instead we get Rey who is automatically the best at whatever she does and isn't forced into any difficult situations or to learn anything.
Really... is it any wonder these kids grow up to be adults that feel they are entitled to whatever they want without ever having to face a second of adversity?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Oh, and one last thing. Enough with the Me Too/social justice clubbing. We get it, women are awesome. Mind you, it was brief and only slightly annoying, but it was a weak attempt at Disney humor. Please leave that for the Disney Channel. Princess Leia was doing it some 40 years ago already. What I suggest is have some kick-ass female Jedi and more of Thandie Newton, who was awesome by the way. Don't kill off one of the best characters in the first half hour. I want to see her story.
Yerp.
Alien did it just fine in 1979 and upped the ante in 1986 when Sigorney Weaver became a full fledged Badass. The same could be said of Terminator and Terminator 2 with Linda Hamilton. Nobody went around virtue signaling how great these movies were or how amazing these women were. The movies were great and the women who portrayed the main characters were amazing.
Incidentally, the producer's name for Aliens was Gale Anne Hurd. She has since gone on to become the recording secretary for the Producer's Guild of America and she is the founder of Valhalla Entertainment, which has produced The Walking Dead and its spinoff.
Most of her accolades were accomplished long before anybody even heard the word Patriarchy. It's women like her that should be thought of as heroes for little girls, but instead we get Rey who is automatically the best at whatever she does and isn't forced into any difficult situations or to learn anything.
Really... is it any wonder these kids grow up to be adults that feel they are entitled to whatever they want without ever having to face a second of adversity?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
sorry not sorry
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
sorry not sorry
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey Gwek,
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I enjoyed the movie. I found it highly entertaining and a lot of fun, although I will admit that it's far from perfect.
You've said a mouthful. I had a good time watching Solo and thought that Howard did a solid job saving this movie.
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I think that that those who go in expecting to enjoy it will find a lot to like, while those who go in expecting it to be bad will find a lot to complain about... and they'll all be right.
I agree.
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Trying to remain spoiler-free: The movie gives us a new view of Solo that actually adds fairly significantly to our understanding of the character without undercutting what we already know about him.
Again, agree.
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There were some light touches like when Han says "I have a good feeling about this." A play on words from A New Hope where Han says the opposite "I have a bad feeling about this."
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The movie is solid and has a lot of good stuff, but at times, it moves too briskly (there were parts where I wanted things to slow down and be explored more). Ultimately, I think that, as a standalone, Rogue One was a superior movie, but Solo is more fun.
One of the criticisms I heard about Solo was the breakneck speed of the goings on. So yeah, maybe slow down a little so the audience could take a breath and absorb.
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Personally, I don't know that the comparison to GotG is a fair one. I suppose there are some similarities, but you could say the same of any semi-lighthearted height movie in the sci fi genre.
My response to that comparison is that GoTG copied Star Wars, not the other way around. Overall, there were some rough edges to Solo....that script WAS god-awful, but Howard used his cast well to overcome the more agregious parts. Erenreich did a crediblle job as Han and both he and Emilia Clarke had chemistry. Bettany was a carciature; and Glover as Lando was underutilized, IMHO. The chemistry between Chewie and Han was alos spot on.
I may go see it again, to catch the parts I missed or flew by too quickly.
SGG
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