Inspector General Finds FBI, DOJ Broke Law In Clinton Email Probe, Refers To Criminal Prosecutor
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Good grief, no shit.
I have never seen such a "botched" investigation in my entire life. The FBI did EVERYTHING it could to put all of the evidence of Hillary wrongdoing permanently out of reach:
Failing to question Hillary under oath.
Failing to pursue an "obstruction of justice" charge against Hillary when it became clear that she permanently wiped her records ("like with a cloth?") AFTER being subpoenaed.
Giving witnesses (Hillary staffers) immunity. Good grief, you don't give WITNESSES immunity.
Allowing staffers to destroy their laptops and phones ... and any possibility of recovering copies or other evidence ... not "like with a cloth?" but more "like with a hammer".
Lynch talking with Bill on the tarmac (for 20 minutes) as an excuse to delegate her prosecutorial authority to someone else, in this case Comey.
Comey shutting down a prosecution when it was not within his authority.
Can you say "COVER UP"?
Sure you can!
Quote:
Now, journalist Paul Sperry reports that "IG Horowitz has found "reasonable grounds" for believing there has been a violation of federal criminal law in the FBI/DOJ's handling of the Clinton investigation/s and has referred his findings of potential criminal misconduct to Huber for possible criminal prosecution."
MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/inspector-general-finds-fbi-
doj-broke-law-clinton-email-probe-refers-criminal
IG Horowitz' full report has yet to be made public.
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Quote:But they had already decided, 2 months before chatting with Hilliary, and before any pretense of Investigation had begun, that they would exonerate Hilliary. So why put forth any effort of the Pretense? This was only to Cover-Up Hilliary's Crimes so she could Win. Once Hilliary won, nobody was going to ask any questions. Further, during this process, any honest FBI personnel found to have Integrity could be rooted out, and dispatched from the FBI for good.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Good grief, no shit.
I have never seen such a "botched" investigation in my entire life. The FBI did EVERYTHING it could to put all of the evidence of Hillary wrongdoing permanently out of reach:
Failing to question Hillary under oath.
Failing to pursue an "obstruction of justice" charge against Hillary when it became clear that she permanently wiped her records ("like with a cloth?") AFTER being subpoenaed.
Giving witnesses (Hillary staffers) immunity. Good grief, you don't give WITNESSES immunity.
Allowing staffers to destroy their laptops and phones ... and any possibility of recovering copies or other evidence ... not "like with a cloth?" but more "like with a hammer".
Lynch talking with Bill on the tarmac (for 20 minutes) as an excuse to delegate her prosecutorial authority to someone else, in this case Comey.
Comey shutting down a prosecution when it was not within his authority.
Can you say "COVER UP"?
Sure you can!Quote:
Now, journalist Paul Sperry reports that "IG Horowitz has found "reasonable grounds" for believing there has been a violation of federal criminal law in the FBI/DOJ's handling of the Clinton investigation/s and has referred his findings of potential criminal misconduct to Huber for possible criminal prosecution."
MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/inspector-general-finds-fbi-
doj-broke-law-clinton-email-probe-refers-criminal
IG Horowitz' full report has yet to be made public.
Interesting day for this info, 1 year after Rosenstein appointed Mueller Special Counsel.
Wait, zerohedge? Isn't that the IDF outlet for America?
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Quote:Zerohedge ... it's kind of all over the map.
Wit, zerohedge? Isn't that the IDF outlet for America?
I'm just wondering how many people, and who, will eventually be snared. Maybe we should set up a betting pool?
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Quote:Perhaps the pertinent question is not who, but what level?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Zerohedge ... it's kind of all over the map.
Wit, zerohedge? Isn't that the IDF outlet for America?
I'm just wondering how many people, and who, will eventually be snared. Maybe we should set up a betting pool?
Page, Strzok, they can go to prison.
McCabe accepted the payoff from Hilliary/McCauliffe, so he should be safe.
Lynch and Comey have been useless, so they could be going to the slammer.
Hilliary has been quite blatant, unrepentant in her Criminal conduct - maybe enough to not forgive and keep her out of prison.
Brennan doesn't seem to have many friends outside Libtards, maybe he's vulnerable.
Obviously Obama knew of all this, and he is no longer a sitting POTUS, an example should finally be set.
No matter the results here, Trump needs to fire Rosenstein as soon as the SC shop is shuttered.
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Now we all know that the Obama/Comey FBI interfered with the US Election, joining the Obama/Brennan CIA (operating on domestic soil) and the Obama/Clapper NSA.
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A commentary ...
Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-18/brennan-needs-very-good-lawy
Brennan "Needs Very Good Lawyer" Says DiGenova; "He's Going To Be In Front Of A Grand Jury Shortly"
Veteran D.C. attorney Joe diGenova - who President Trump initially wanted to hire to represent him in the Mueller probe, only to have to step aside due to conflicts - sat down on Fox News on Thursday where he put a bow on what many believe was a high-stakes gamble by various members within the Obama Intelligence Community (IC) and others to infiltrate the Trump campaign and frame Donald Trump with Russiagate.
Key among the participants in this alleged plot is former CIA director John Brennan, whose involvement is thought to have dovetailed with the FBI's recently disclosed "operation Crossfire Hurricane" - the code name given to the agency's earliest counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign. The FBI says the operation was launched following a drunken conversation between a Clinton-linked Australian ambassador and a low-level Trump associate, George Papadopoulos, who may have been set up from the start after being fed information by a professor named Joseph Mifsud, who is currently missing.
When Carlson asked diGenova for an update on recent developments, the former federal prosecutor (and special counsel to boot) said:
* We know that Hillary Clinton was illegally exonerated
* We know that there was a substantial effort to frame the current President of the United States with crimes by infiltrating his campaign and then his administration with spies that the FBI had set upon them
* We have learned that the crimes were committed by the FBI, senior members of the Department of Justice, John Brennan, Mr. Clapper, Mr. Comey, and others associated with the Democratic party
* Donald Trump and his associates committed no crimes
When asked to explain the mechanics of the setup, diGenova tells Carlson that the FBI "purposely sent people into the Trump campaign to plant false information, then forced that information to be forwarded back to CIA and then funneled to the FBI, to be used as false information in FISA applications."
"Everybody involved in that process who knowingly participated committed a crime," diGenova added. The lawyer then offered Brennan some legal advice:
Tucker: So why aren't they being held to account?
diGenova: As of today, I understand that a referral for criminal prosecution has been made by Mr. Horowitz to Mr. Huber, who is investigating the FISA leaks, the unmasking, the leaks of the unmasking and everything we described tonight. Criminal referrals have already been made, and I suggest that Mr. Brennan - who loves to make comments about the process, get himself a good lawyer. Not a good writer.
Tucker: Wait, John Brennan the NBC news paid consultant?
diGenova: Yes, NBC News' consultant, the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the most partisan hack leader of the CIA in history, needs a very very good lawyer.
Tucker: Criminal lawyer?
diGenova: Yes, criminal lawyer - oh yes, he doesn't need a slip-and-fall lawyer, although he's going to slip and fall. He's going to be in front of a grand jury shortly.
Tucker: That's news.
diGenova: Yes, and that's good news.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Zerohedge ... it's kind of all over the map.
Wit, zerohedge? Isn't that the IDF outlet for America?
I'm just wondering how many people, and who, will eventually be snared. Maybe we should set up a betting pool?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876]
I am referencing this thread, http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024, because SIG is posting lies again and more times than not, sources her information that she posts here from zerohedge. She stupidly defends this as a reputable source. Something she does with other unreliable sources. As she continues to do so, I will reference this thread to remind all she posts from this and other corrupted sources. Sources designed to create havoc rather than inform.
Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.
In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”
All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024
The men behind zero hedge
Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director
Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008
Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.
“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”
In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”
Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.
Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.
“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.
The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html
According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.
The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”
The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Fr
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WHO, WHAT IS THUGR? (AKA "JJ")?
Aside from being a troll, that is?
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A commentary ...
Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-18/brennan-needs-very-good-lawy
Brennan "Needs Very Good Lawyer" Says DiGenova; "He's Going To Be In Front Of A Grand Jury Shortly"
Veteran D.C. attorney Joe diGenova - who President Trump initially wanted to hire to represent him in the Mueller probe, only to have to step aside due to conflicts - sat down on Fox News on Thursday where he put a bow on what many believe was a high-stakes gamble by various members within the Obama Intelligence Community (IC) and others to infiltrate the Trump campaign and frame Donald Trump with Russiagate.
Key among the participants in this alleged plot is former CIA director John Brennan, whose involvement is thought to have dovetailed with the FBI's recently disclosed "operation Crossfire Hurricane" - the code name given to the agency's earliest counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign. The FBI says the operation was launched following a drunken conversation between a Clinton-linked Australian ambassador and a low-level Trump associate, George Papadopoulos, who may have been set up from the start after being fed information by a professor named Joseph Mifsud, who is currently missing.
When Carlson asked diGenova for an update on recent developments, the former federal prosecutor (and special counsel to boot) said:
* We know that Hillary Clinton was illegally exonerated
* We know that there was a substantial effort to frame the current President of the United States with crimes by infiltrating his campaign and then his administration with spies that the FBI had set upon them
* We have learned that the crimes were committed by the FBI, senior members of the Department of Justice, John Brennan, Mr. Clapper, Mr. Comey, and others associated with the Democratic party
* Donald Trump and his associates committed no crimes
When asked to explain the mechanics of the setup, diGenova tells Carlson that the FBI "purposely sent people into the Trump campaign to plant false information, then forced that information to be forwarded back to CIA and then funneled to the FBI, to be used as false information in FISA applications."
"Everybody involved in that process who knowingly participated committed a crime," diGenova added. The lawyer then offered Brennan some legal advice:
Tucker: So why aren't they being held to account?
diGenova: As of today, I understand that a referral for criminal prosecution has been made by Mr. Horowitz to Mr. Huber, who is investigating the FISA leaks, the unmasking, the leaks of the unmasking and everything we described tonight. Criminal referrals have already been made, and I suggest that Mr. Brennan - who loves to make comments about the process, get himself a good lawyer. Not a good writer.
Tucker: Wait, John Brennan the NBC news paid consultant?
diGenova: Yes, NBC News' consultant, the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the most partisan hack leader of the CIA in history, needs a very very good lawyer.
Tucker: Criminal lawyer?
diGenova: Yes, criminal lawyer - oh yes, he doesn't need a slip-and-fall lawyer, although he's going to slip and fall. He's going to be in front of a grand jury shortly.
Tucker: That's news.
diGenova: Yes, and that's good news.
er-says-digenova-hes-going-be-front-grand-jury-shortly
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Quote:I wanted to say what took them so long. But these were quite stalwart obfuscators and obstructionists, even scrambling after Election - because they never planned to Cover-Up after they won, Hilliary wasn't going to allow questions.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A commentary ...Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-18/brennan-needs-very-good-lawy
Brennan "Needs Very Good Lawyer" Says DiGenova; "He's Going To Be In Front Of A Grand Jury Shortly"
Veteran D.C. attorney Joe diGenova - who President Trump initially wanted to hire to represent him in the Mueller probe, only to have to step aside due to conflicts - sat down on Fox News on Thursday where he put a bow on what many believe was a high-stakes gamble by various members within the Obama Intelligence Community (IC) and others to infiltrate the Trump campaign and frame Donald Trump with Russiagate.
Key among the participants in this alleged plot is former CIA director John Brennan, whose involvement is thought to have dovetailed with the FBI's recently disclosed "operation Crossfire Hurricane" - the code name given to the agency's earliest counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign. The FBI says the operation was launched following a drunken conversation between a Clinton-linked Australian ambassador and a low-level Trump associate, George Papadopoulos, who may have been set up from the start after being fed information by a professor named Joseph Mifsud, who is currently missing.
When Carlson asked diGenova for an update on recent developments, the former federal prosecutor (and special counsel to boot) said:
* We know that Hillary Clinton was illegally exonerated
* We know that there was a substantial effort to frame the current President of the United States with crimes by infiltrating his campaign and then his administration with spies that the FBI had set upon them
* We have learned that the crimes were committed by the FBI, senior members of the Department of Justice, John Brennan, Mr. Clapper, Mr. Comey, and others associated with the Democratic party
* Donald Trump and his associates committed no crimes
When asked to explain the mechanics of the setup, diGenova tells Carlson that the FBI "purposely sent people into the Trump campaign to plant false information, then forced that information to be forwarded back to CIA and then funneled to the FBI, to be used as false information in FISA applications."
"Everybody involved in that process who knowingly participated committed a crime," diGenova added. The lawyer then offered Brennan some legal advice:
Tucker: So why aren't they being held to account?
diGenova: As of today, I understand that a referral for criminal prosecution has been made by Mr. Horowitz to Mr. Huber, who is investigating the FISA leaks, the unmasking, the leaks of the unmasking and everything we described tonight. Criminal referrals have already been made, and I suggest that Mr. Brennan - who loves to make comments about the process, get himself a good lawyer. Not a good writer.
Tucker: Wait, John Brennan the NBC news paid consultant?
diGenova: Yes, NBC News' consultant, the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the most partisan hack leader of the CIA in history, needs a very very good lawyer.
Tucker: Criminal lawyer?
diGenova: Yes, criminal lawyer - oh yes, he doesn't need a slip-and-fall lawyer, although he's going to slip and fall. He's going to be in front of a grand jury shortly.
Tucker: That's news.
diGenova: Yes, and that's good news.
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Quote:Samantha Powers and Susan Rice should be in prison as well.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Perhaps the pertinent question is not who, but what level?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Zerohedge ... it's kind of all over the map.
Wit, zerohedge? Isn't that the IDF outlet for America?
I'm just wondering how many people, and who, will eventually be snared. Maybe we should set up a betting pool?
Page, Strzok, they can go to prison.
McCabe accepted the payoff from Hilliary/McCauliffe, so he should be safe.
Lynch and Comey have been useless, so they could be going to the slammer.
Hilliary has been quite blatant, unrepentant in her Criminal conduct - maybe enough to not forgive and keep her out of prison.
Brennan doesn't seem to have many friends outside Libtards, maybe he's vulnerable.
Obviously Obama knew of all this, and he is no longer a sitting POTUS, an example should finally be set.
No matter the results here, Trump needs to fire Rosenstein as soon as the SC shop is shuttered.
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In reality, who was really surprised that FBI, DoJ committed these crimes?
Who really didn't already know this?
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Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Zerohedge ... it's kind of all over the map.
Wit, zerohedge? Isn't that the IDF outlet for America?
I'm just wondering how many people, and who, will eventually be snared. Maybe we should set up a betting pool?
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876]
I am referencing this thread, http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024, because SIG is posting lies again and more times than not, sources her information that she posts here from zerohedge. She stupidly defends this as a reputable source. Something she does with other unreliable sources. As she continues to do so, I will reference this thread to remind all she posts from this and other corrupted sources. Sources designed to create havoc rather than inform.
Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.
In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”
All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024
The men behind zero hedge
Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director
Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008
Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.
“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”
In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”
Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.
Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.
“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.
The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html
According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.
The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”
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Meanwhile, the IG's report was expected to be released "in May".
Not too many days left in the month, if it's to be released according to expectations.
OTOH, possibly new material has come to light, delaying the IG report. It's funny how [some] people who are so focused on the Mueller investigation tend to forget about this potential Sword of Damocles hanging over the FBI/ CIA/ DOJ.
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Call me crazy, but this might be Trump's *ehrm*... trump card.
Remember how GWB used the lies that he was going to put our Social Security benefits directly in our hands and he was going to make an ammendment to the Constitution to ban gay marriage right before he got re-elected?
No matter how bad things might possibly get, do you really think that Trump wouldn't win in a landslide against Democrats if Hillary was actually locked up before November 2020?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Weird thing. 2 other threads have a more recent post, but this one is listed as more recent.
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I hear the report comes out this week.
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I hope you keep track and post a link. I suspect this report will be buried by the MSM, and I'll be too busy to be looking for it. THANKS ahead of time if you post it.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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I heard June 11. Looking forward to it, whenever it comes out.
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The more eyes looking for it, the better!
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You 2 weren't interested in Strzok and Page explaining that the White House was running the shenanigans in August 2016?
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I probably missed it. I'm pretty busy.
Do you have a link? It would be much appreciated!
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You 2 weren't interested in Strzok and Page explaining that the White House was running the shenanigans in August 2016?
Oh, I read somewhere that the spying began in April, before Papadoupulos ever drunkenly insinuated to Australian Ambassador [and Clinton Foundation illegal money-channeler] Downer that Russians had "dirt" on Hillary.
If THAT wasn't what started the spying ... what did??? The implication is that Downer didn't just "happen" to meet Papadoupulos, he was actually tasked with entrapping him.
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Quote:The last post in Obamagates thread.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I probably missed it. I'm pretty busy.
Do you have a link? It would be much appreciated!
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Quote:Obama and Brennan started the spying, Brennan ran the Op.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Oh, I read somewhere that the spying began in April, before Papadoupulos ever drunkenly insinuated to Australian Ambassador [and Clinton Foundation illegal money-channeler] Downer that Russians had "dirt" on Hillary.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You 2 weren't interested in Strzok and Page explaining that the White House was running the shenanigans in August 2016?
If THAT wasn't what started the spying ... what did??? The implication is that Downer didn't just "happen" to meet Papadoupulos, he was actually tasked with entrapping him.
Almost each day brings forth an earlier date that they started the spying, well before Downer. This has been teeth-pulling for months.
I'm waiting to see how early the beginning was, we'll likely need to wait until the FBI/DoJ Obstructions stop and the documents/evidence are revealed. Until then, honest Citizens are poking around in the dark.
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Quote:got it - THANKS! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58680&mid=1
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The last post in Obamagates thread.
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SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:got it - THANKS! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58680&mid=1
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The last post in Obamagates thread.
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SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Do you think this fact is being buried by the MSM?
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The last post in Obamagates thread. - JSF
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Do you think this fact is being buried by the MSM? - JSF
Who needs to think about it? The MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to.
Now here's another "buried" MSM story. As a comment, one of the things that I have wondered about is the scattershot way that people have been resigning/ fired/ demoted in the DOJ and FBI. The number of people ... if you add them all up ... who have disappeared from the employee roster is truly astounding.
IF the MSM wants to do a real investigative piece, they would be sniffing up and down the official DOJ and FBI org charts to see "who reported to whom". It's a simple matter of record. And then, one simply looks for the missing testimony. But of course, such an obvious piece of inquiry seems to be beyond them.
Quote:13 top people all together
FBI Agent In Charge Of "Russiagate" Operation And Clinton Email "Matter" To Testify Tuesday
FBI Counterintelligence chief, Bill Priestap, will sit down for a closed-door session with lawmakers on Tuesday, according to John Solomon of The Hill.
Priestap will be answering questions about the Hillary Clinton email case as well as the counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign - both of which he oversaw. Priestap was the direct supervisor of Peter Strzok - the FBI agent whose anti-Trump / pro-Clinton bias was revealed after 50,000 text messages to his FBI-attorney mistress, Lisa Page, were discovered by the DOJ's Inspector General, Michael Horowitz.
All accounts say that Priestap is a cooperating witness. In other words, if there's one person who can confirm that the FBI counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign was politically motivated - or that malfeasance occurred during the process, it's Bill Priestap
... When you understand how central E.W. “Bill” Priestap was to the entire 2016/2017 ‘Russian Conspiracy Operation‘, the absence of his name, amid all others, created a curiosity... E.W. “Bill” Priestap is the head of the FBI Counterintelligence operation. He was FBI Agent Peter Strozk’s direct boss. If anyone in congress really wanted to know if the FBI paid for the Christopher Steele Dossier, Bill Priestap is the guy who would know everything about everything.
... Everyone around Bill Priestap, above and below, were caught inside the investigative net.
Above him: James Comey, Andrew McCabe and James Baker.
Below him: Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Jim Rybicki, Trisha Beth Anderson and Mike Kortan.
Parallel to Priestap in main justice his peer John P Carlin resigned, Sally Yates fired, Mary McCord quit, Bruce Ohr was busted twice, and most recently Dave Laufman resigned.
Quote:Maybe there are other reasons but I can't think of them. Curios.
All of them caught in the investigative net…. Only Bill Priestap remained, quietly invisible – still in position.
The reason was obvious.
Quote:When Comey threw Priestap under the bus ...
Likely Bill Priestap made the decision after James Comey’s testimony on March 20th, 2017
Quote:https://www.zerohedge.com
when he realized what was coming. Priestap is well-off financially; he has too much to lose. He and his wife, Sabina Menschel, live a comfortable life in a $3.8 million DC home; she comes from a family of money. While ideologically Bill and Sabina are aligned with Clinton support, and their circle of family and friends likely lean toward more liberal friends; no-one in his position would willingly allow themselves to be the scape-goat for the unlawful action that was happening around them.
Bill Priestap had too much to lose… and for what?
With all of that in mind, there is essentially no-way the participating members inside the small group can escape their accountability with Mr. Bill Priestap cooperating with the investigative authorities.
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The last post in Obamagates thread. - JSF
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Do you think this fact is being buried by the MSM? - JSF
Who needs to think about it? The MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to.
Now here's another "buried" MSM story. As a comment, one of the things that I have wondered about is the scattershot way that people have been resigning/ fired/ demoted in the DOJ and FBI. The number of people ... if you add them all up ... who have disappeared from the employee roster is truly astounding.
IF the MSM wants to do a real investigative piece, they would be sniffing up and down the official DOJ and FBI org charts to see "who reported to whom". It's a simple matter of record. And then, one simply looks for the missing testimony. But of course, such an obvious piece of inquiry seems to be beyond them.Quote:13 top people all together
FBI Agent In Charge Of "Russiagate" Operation And Clinton Email "Matter" To Testify Tuesday
FBI Counterintelligence chief, Bill Priestap, will sit down for a closed-door session with lawmakers on Tuesday, according to John Solomon of The Hill.
Priestap will be answering questions about the Hillary Clinton email case as well as the counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign - both of which he oversaw. Priestap was the direct supervisor of Peter Strzok - the FBI agent whose anti-Trump / pro-Clinton bias was revealed after 50,000 text messages to his FBI-attorney mistress, Lisa Page, were discovered by the DOJ's Inspector General, Michael Horowitz.
All accounts say that Priestap is a cooperating witness. In other words, if there's one person who can confirm that the FBI counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign was politically motivated - or that malfeasance occurred during the process, it's Bill Priestap
... When you understand how central E.W. “Bill” Priestap was to the entire 2016/2017 ‘Russian Conspiracy Operation‘, the absence of his name, amid all others, created a curiosity... E.W. “Bill” Priestap is the head of the FBI Counterintelligence operation. He was FBI Agent Peter Strozk’s direct boss. If anyone in congress really wanted to know if the FBI paid for the Christopher Steele Dossier, Bill Priestap is the guy who would know everything about everything.
... Everyone around Bill Priestap, above and below, were caught inside the investigative net.
Above him: James Comey, Andrew McCabe and James Baker.
Below him: Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Jim Rybicki, Trisha Beth Anderson and Mike Kortan.
Parallel to Priestap in main justice his peer John P Carlin resigned, Sally Yates fired, Mary McCord quit, Bruce Ohr was busted twice, and most recently Dave Laufman resigned.Quote:Maybe there are other reasons but I can't think of them. Curios.
All of them caught in the investigative net…. Only Bill Priestap remained, quietly invisible – still in position.
The reason was obvious.Quote:When Comey threw Priestap under the bus ...
Likely Bill Priestap made the decision after James Comey’s testimony on March 20th, 2017Quote:
when he realized what was coming. Priestap is well-off financially; he has too much to lose. He and his wife, Sabina Menschel, live a comfortable life in a $3.8 million DC home; she comes from a family of money. While ideologically Bill and Sabina are aligned with Clinton support, and their circle of family and friends likely lean toward more liberal friends; no-one in his position would willingly allow themselves to be the scape-goat for the unlawful action that was happening around them.
Bill Priestap had too much to lose… and for what?
With all of that in mind, there is essentially no-way the participating members inside the small group can escape their accountability with Mr. Bill Priestap cooperating with the investigative authorities.[NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Oh look, the little boy is dragging his latest find from thread to thread, hoping it will have more impact.
Originally posted by JJ:
I already responded to it, son, over in the original thread ...
Quote:but I will respond to the CONTENT of what they're saying here.
Who ARE these idiots on MSNBC? ... http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62424&p=2
Their contention is that Trump is a hypocrite because he bagged on Hillary for using a private SECRET server while Sec State, which might have compromised state secrets. Hillary's reason for using a private server was that it was "too inconvenient". Meanwhile, TRUMP uses a private phone for his tweets which has a camera and speaker attached (possibly security breach) and doesn't change it out every week ... per security protocol ... for the same reason: it's too inconvenient.
They conveniently "forget" that if that's ALL that Hillary did with that private secret server, it might have been a security breach but at least the data would have been recoverable, and it could have been examined to see what kind of security impact it might have had. Instead, Hillary had 33,000 emails permanently erased ... emails selected AT HER DISCRETION, emails which she erased AFTER she was subpoenaed for them. CASE LAW establishes that government business done on non-government devices is STILL subject to FOIA. The issue is not just "security", it is also TRANSPARENCY. Whereas Trump's phone may represent a security breach, the presence of the phone is well-known to his security team, and its contents are under constant review.
The impression is that Hillary WAS HIDING SOMETHING. One strong possibility is that she was hiding PAY TO PLAY, using her office as Scy State to wrest donations for the "Clinton Foundation" ... donations which she and Bill used for private gain.
The fact that these clowns on MSNBC would conflate one issue with another by misleadingly leaving our large parts of Hillary's narrative is just proof that they're deliberately lying, acting as DNC operatives to push the deep state's agenda.
If you think I've beaten this to death by being too detailed, you're right. I just wanted to make the step-by-step connections AND distinctions for you, and be absolutely, pellucidly, and inescapably clear how they're ... what's that word? ... oh yes ... LYING.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to.
How does that happen exactly? What are the mechanics? Is there a Deep State board of Directors that decides what the MSM should publish, or is it more of Deep State Communications Director and they tell... who exactly? Maybe... are there also a Deep State liaison officers posted at every MSM outlet and they receive their directives and then they tell...? They tell the editors what to tell all of the writers what to write and they all just type out the directives like little robots? Is that by phone or email or carrier pigeon? I joke because just the logistics of the thing you so casually toss off is so immense as to be pretty obviously impossible. Only a true tin foiler would come even close to believing it and to do so they would have to ignore some pretty Deep Logic. But I am curious how you think it's carried out, this, "the MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to" happens.
Funny thing is... after me saying all that... there actually is a Deep State controlling the MSM, but not the one you think of. And it is....! Not so fast! Not until you let me know how your version works.
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Quote:Dood, are you an idiot? (Don't answer that question). IF I could tell you exactly "who" and "how", it wouldn't be a deep state, would it? It would be more like a shallow state.
Who needs to think about it? The MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to. -SIGNY
How does that happen exactly? What are the mechanics?- GSTRING
But CLAPPER already copped to influencing foreign elections and overturning governments.
Quote:and the mechanisms for that ....
when we tried to manipulate or influence elections or even overturned governments, it was done with the best interests of the people in that country in mind ..
Quote:http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62444
We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers. We’ve used what the British call ‘King George’s cavalry’: suitcases of cash.” [Levin]
According to foreign reporters and editors (I can provide links later, just busy right now), they have admitted to being on the CIA payroll. At one time, the CIA had a program of disinformation directly into the USA media.
The names and mechanics don't come out until years or decades later. But if you think this is past and done, you're wrong. The media doesn't do REAL investigation, it (for the most part) either faithfully transcribes the official narrative (when the deep state is in control of the official narrative) or works with selected "leakers" who "leak" the deep state's version. That is how Judith Miller (NYT) got the Iraq WMD story so terribly, terribly wrong- she though she had the "inside track" because someone was feeding her info. Also, the CIA is STILL planting false stories into foreign press. And they work hand-in-glove with MI6, which floats/ creates disinformation (eg Iraq's WMD being a "slam dunk") which is used in the USA MSM.
Your faith in corporate media is touching, but misguided. Our corporate press is no more honest than any government-funded operation. Do you really think big transnational media corporations have YOUR interests at heart??
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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A quick summary of links, not the ones I recall (bc I noticed them as revealed) but enuf to get you started in your quest for truth.
Quote:http://carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
THE CIA AND THE MEDIA
How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up
... Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty-five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters. Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit; some were explicit. There was cooperation, accommodation and overlap. Journalists provided a full range of clandestine services—from simple intelligence gathering to serving as go-betweens with spies in Communist countries. Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs. Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without-portfolio for their country. Most were less exalted: foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested in the derring-do of the spy business as in filing articles; and, the smallest category, full-time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad....
Quote:https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/16/caveat-emptor-msnbc-and-cnn-us
Caveat Emptor: MSNBC and CNN Use CIA Apologists for False Commentary
MSNBC prides itself for progressive reporting on national security issues but continues to use apologists for the Central Intelligence Agency in reporting on key intelligence issues. The network’s reliance on former deputy director of the CIA John McLaughlin is an excellent example of the skewed and tailored information that it offers to viewers on matters dealing with CIA. McLaughlin, a former colleague of mine at the CIA who I remember as an amateur magician, regularly pulls the wool over the eyes of such MSNBC veterans as Andrea Mitchell.Brennan is now a commentator on CNN.
e-cia-apologists-for-false-commentary/
Brennan is now also on the payroll of CNN.
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Former Newspaper Editor Who Exposed CIA Found Dead
Dr Udo Ulfkotte, the former German newspaper editor whose bestselling book exposed how the CIA controls German media, has been found dead. He was 56.
Ulfkotte was an editor at Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of the largest newspapers in Germany, when he published Bought Journalists, the bestselling book that cost him his job and perhaps his life.
German media, who were banned from reporting on his work in recent years, are reporting he died of “heart failure”.
https://yournewswire.com/german-newspaper-editor-exposed-cia-dead/
Just a random sampling to substantiate what I posted but there's more.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the little boy is dragging his latest find from thread to thread, hoping it will have more impact.
Funny, hey open your mouth little girl I want to make a deposit. And I noticed again as always your defense of Trump is but Hillary. You do this because you can't dispute the facts.
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Originally posted by JJ:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the little boy is dragging his latest find from thread to thread, hoping it will have more impact.
Funny, hey open your mouth little girl I want to make a deposit. And I noticed again as always your defense of Trump is but Hillary. You do this because you can't dispute the facts.
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That's sexual harassment.
But it was from a Democrat, so it's okay.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Who needs to think about it? The MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to. -SIGNY
How does that happen exactly? What are the mechanics?- GSTRING
Dood, are you an idiot? (Don't answer that question).
*Dood*, starting off with an insult shows how lame we can expect your response coming up to be... and yep, you didn't disappoint...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IF I could tell you exactly "who" and "how", it wouldn't be a deep state, would it? It would be more like a shallow state.
*snort* Do I need to go any further? You just admitted you have no clue. Maybe I should have said, "Ok, guess how they control the entire MSM," and let you hang yourself on that.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But CLAPPER already copped to influencing foreign elections and overturning governments.Quote:
when we tried to manipulate or influence elections or even overturned governments, it was done with the best interests of the people in that country in mind .. and the mechanisms for that .... We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers.
So nothing on dictating to our MSM what they should write. Why am I not surprised?
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to foreign reporters and editors (I can provide links later, just busy right now), they have admitted to being on the CIA payroll. At one time, the CIA had a program of disinformation directly into the USA media.
Links? Wouldn't they all be Deep State? And if you find some Zerohedge article, still BS because yanno, they be manipulated by the Deep State too?
And you might be able to find a couple believable instances in the last 25 years of CIA trying to influence the press, but not even close to this silly noise, "They print what the Deep State tells them to."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The names and mechanics don't come out until years or decades later. But if you think this is past and done, you're wrong. The media doesn't do REAL investigation, it (for the most part) either faithfully transcribes the official narrative (when the deep state is in control of the official narrative) or works with selected "leakers" who "leak" the deep state's version.
Yeah, riiiight. No investigation. Thousands of journalists waiting to be told what to print, that makes *sense.*
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That is how Judith Miller (NYT) got the Iraq WMD story so terribly, terribly wrong- she though she had the "inside track" because someone was feeding her info. Also, the CIA is STILL planting false stories into foreign press. And they work hand-in-glove with MI6, which floats/ creates disinformation (eg Iraq's WMD being a "slam dunk") which is used in the USA MSM.
Sure, it does happen, but not anywhere near how often you say. You want to taint entire decades and thousands and thousands of true stories and an entire profession with a few examples. Your head is firmly up your deep state.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your faith in corporate media is touching, but misguided. Our corporate press is no more honest than any government-funded operation. Do you really think big transnational media corporations have YOUR interests at heart??
Yes! Of course they do! But not like you think. Consumers are the true Deep State when it comes to MSM. Some day I'll explain it to you - I'm just a bit busy right now.
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Quote:And then I go on to provide instance (with links) of past, recent, and current examples of how it's done. There is a YUGE difference between I don't know exactly who, today and I don't have a clue. But just like the aholes on MSNBC, you DO like to twist the truth, don't you?
Who needs to think about it? The MSM just regurgitates what the deep state tells it to. -SIGNY
How does that happen exactly? What are the mechanics?- GSTRING
Dood, are you an idiot? (Don't answer that question). - SIGNY
*Dood*, starting off with an insult shows how lame we can expect your response coming up to be... and yep, you didn't disappoint...- GSTRING
IF I could tell you exactly "who" and "how", it wouldn't be a deep state, would it? It would be more like a shallow state.- SIGNY
*snort* Do I need to go any further? You just admitted you have no clue.- GSTRING
Quote:Because that's not what I said. The deep state either provides the narrative "officially" or with "leaks", and that's as far as most "reporters" go.
But CLAPPER already copped to influencing foreign elections and overturning governments.Quote:- SIGNY
when we tried to manipulate or influence elections or even overturned governments, it was done with the best interests of the people in that country in mind .. and the mechanisms for that .... We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers.
So nothing on dictating to our MSM what they should write. Why am I not surprised?- GSTRING
Quote:No, those would be from whistleblowers.
According to foreign reporters and editors (I can provide links later, just busy right now), they have admitted to being on the CIA payroll. At one time, the CIA had a program of disinformation directly into the USA media. - SIGNY
Links? Wouldn't they all be Deep State?- GSTRING
Quote:None of it form ZH, all of it from sources that YOU (as a liberal) would find credible. That is, if you bothered to read them, which I doubt you did because, yanno, cognitive dissonance.
And if you find some Zerohedge article, still BS because yanno, they be manipulated by the Deep State too? - GSTRING
Quote:There are instances where CIA payroll were directly on MSM staff. The reason why that was (supposedly) ended was the CIA is "supposed" to be about foreign intelligence, and not operate on USA soil. I'm not sure that the program (called Operation Mockingbird by some) really ended, but what HAS been demonstrated is that they either plant stories in the foreign press, or hire them once they're "retired" so they can put the deep-state spin on it directly. The interesting thing is, I remember when the CIA got its hand publicly smacked for interfering in the USA press, and they had to promise that (just like the USA military) they would only operate of foreign soil. I'll see if I can dredge up any info on that event. And, of course, they provide "news" and "leaks" to the compliant press.
And you might be able to find a couple believable instances in the last 25 years of CIA trying to influence the press, but not even close to this silly noise, "They print what the Deep State tells them to."
Quote:Yes, that's correct. Real investigation takes a lot of money. It's far che
The names and mechanics don't come out until years or decades later. But if you think this is past and done, you're wrong. The media doesn't do REAL investigation, it (for the most part) either faithfully transcribes the official narrative (when the deep state is in control of the official narrative) or works with selected "leakers" who "leak" the deep state's version. - SIGNY
Yeah, riiiight. No investigation. Thousands of journalists waiting to be told what to print, that makes *sense.* - GSTRING
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Sig's been told many times G, suggesting a deep state conspiracy is the problem is a cover. It allows them to justify attacking established democratic institutions. They attempt to discredit them in order to wrench power away from the people. It also helps them to dismiss any reports they are up to no good. They blame the deep state conspiracy for fabricating said offences. Trump is the poster boy for this type of rhetoric.
Sig is a troll. This is why she keeps up this façade. She believes some here are to stupid to understand what she is up to. She is right, but we know who the other trolls are. And that collectivly they are dumper than a box of rocks. Hey Sig, 
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Quote:And even MORE bullshit.
justify attacking established democratic institutions
OK, THUGR - like what? Do I attack the Constitution? The democratic vote? The Office of the Presidency? The free press? The military?
Or am I attacking the corruption of these institutions by the moneyed elite and their factotums, who must necessarily work in secret because they don't represent the wishes and interests of the people?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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And even MORE bullshit.
OK, THUGR - like what? Do I attack the Constitution? The democratic vote? The Office of the Presidency? The free press? The military?
As often as you can. Hey G, KPO, JO, SECOND, do you believe Sig's post? Her suggesting she doesn't is one whopper of a lie. It's her passion and her attacks are relentless.
Hey sig
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Oh bullshit, THUGR. What have I complained about? People being surveilled without a warrant, trampling their Constitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure? Immigrants breaking OUR laws by sneaking in illegally? Politicians beholden to the elite? Private banks taking over the function of currency creation? Endless foreign wars NOT for our benefit? Uneven application of the "rule of law"? Privilege, wealth, and power extended to synthetic people (corporations) far beyond anything accessible to real people?
So, where am I "attacking" our "democratic institutions"?
I think you're vastly confused between "democratic institutions" and "elite privilege".
I don't hear you complaining when our Constitutional rights are violated or the will of the people is subverted, NOPE! What REALLY gets your goat is when the wealthy and their secret servants are criticized. You've got your nose stuck so far up the elite's butt you've pretty much disappeared into their collective anus.
The reality is, I'm a better democrat than you are because you're just an authoritarian suckup.
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U.S. Army Veteran Tried to Spy for China, Officials Say
On Saturday, Mr. Hansen was arrested in Seattle and charged with attempted espionage, in what appears to be another high-profile mole hunt by F.B.I. investigators intent on uncovering Chinese spying against the United States.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-army-veteran-tried-to-spy-for-
china-officials-say/ar-AAyerzs?ocid=spartanntp
Yea FBI
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Now THAT was an irrelevant post! What are you trying to do, THUGR? Attack the FBI?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Richard Stengel, self-declared former "chief propagandist" for the State Department and then editor for Time Magazine says he's for government propaganda...
... then shuts the session down when challenged about how propaganda is used against the Third World.
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OK, I think the topic of seep state and the media has been beaten to death.
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McCabe is seeking Immunity before Testifying.
Now, why would that be?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OK, I think the topic of seep state and the media has been beaten to death.
Ha! Hardly. You drop a couple cheap smoke bombs and then you want to run away - typical.
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OK, I think the topic of seep state and the media has been beaten to death. -SIGNY]
Ha! Hardly. You drop a couple cheap smoke bombs and then you want to run away - GSTRING
1) Linked three articles
2) Referred to many more instances (eg. every "intervention" we openly engaged in since the Korean war, including Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya) and the ones we did less openly (Sudan, Pakistan, Yemen, Ukraine, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, and indeed most of South and Central America over the past 60 years)
3) Posted a video of a former "chief propagandist" and Time Editor
4) Cited Brennan and Richard Stengel as "deep state" officers who are subsequently welcomed into the media, and there are plenty more examples ...
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‘Deep State’ Veterans find New Homes in Mainstream Media
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/05/deep-state-veterans-find-new-hom
es-in-mainstream-media/
You have not engaged in specifically discussing even ONE of these examples, much less refuting any of them.
The person who's throwing "cheap smoke bombs" is YOU, my friend. You just did, with that "cheap smoke bomb" smoke bomb. But that's what liars do: They accuse others of what they themselves do.
You CAN engage in the discussion. Or you can STFU, which would be another good alternative. Personally, I think I provided more than enough references to keep you busy for a while (if you intend to learn about the topic), and any further information from me would be a waste of my time (You would probably reject anything else I posted anyway) and a distraction from the topic of the thread, so until you come up with something OTHER THAN lies and snark, I think the discussion has reached it's end.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
McCabe is seeking Immunity before Testifying.
Now, why would that be?
And Priestap is throwing Strzok under the bus
Quote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-05/priestap-fbis-strzok-played-
Priestap: FBI's Strzok Played "More Central Role Than Previously Known" In Clinton, Russia Probes
"Below not helpful," Strzok wrote. "Certainly the WH is going to do whatever it wants, but there is a line they need to hold with regard to the appearance of non-interference."
more-central-role-previously-known-clinton-russia
Yes, Peter [Strzok], "appearances" count! Just comparing the texts between Strzok and Page, they seem to have intended to lay a "paper trail" to cover up WH [Obama] involvement.
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Another interesting twist:
Quote:Yes, I already knew that. But here's where it gets interesting
Papadopoulos’ Wife: Trump Aide Was ‘Absolutely Not’ Involved In Russian Collusion
Quote:Not DURING the campaign, but before.
George Papadopoulos’ wife, Simona Mangiante, said her husband was not involved in collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government and that he pleaded guilty in the special counsel’s investigation to avoid facing charges that he was an agent of the Israeli government.
Quote:MORE AT http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/04/mangiante-papadopoulos-collusion/
In an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation, Mangiante also claimed that it was former Trump campaign aide Papadopoulos who, during an interview with the FBI on Jan. 27, 2017, brought up Joseph Mifsud, the mysterious Maltese professor who mentioned Hillary Clinton’s emails to him during a meeting in London in April 2016.
Papadopoulos’ willingness to bring up Mifsud during that FBI interview suggests he was not trying to cover up a conspiracy involving Clinton’s emails, Mangiante said.
The same story is also here https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-was-investigating-trum
p-adviser-as-unregistered-agent-of-israel-his-wife-says/2018/06/05/8a30b258-68ec-11e8-bea7-c8eb28bc52b1_story.html?utm_term=.9514db3a163d (But you need to be a subscriber to see it)
I originally saw the story HERE;
Quote:The ZH article brings up a number of questions about the Misfud/Mangiante connection which I have yet to parse thru ... it's complicated.
Bombshell Claim Raises New Questions: Mueller Threatened To Charge Papadopoulos As Unregistered Agent Of Israel
... Meanwhile, it was Papadopoulos' May 10 alleged "drunken barroom admission" to former Australian diplomat Alexander Downer that the Russians had information which "could be damaging" to Hillary Clinton. Papadopolous was originally told of the alleged Russian plot two weeks earlier on April 26, by Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud (missing since October 2017) - whose organization George Papadopoulos met his wife through.
HOWEVER, this points up a Muller tactic which I noticed when he first went after Flynn.
Flynn's connection to RUSSIA!! was tangential. He went to a dinner which featured Putin, but did not "eat at Putin's right hand" ... Jill Stein (Green Party candidate) was there and described the photo as resulting from Putin sitting at their table for a few minutes, but words were never even exchanged. Any other meetings with Russians were at the vague policy level, but not a detailed plan to "collude" on the election process, hammer out a "quid pro quo", or set up a continuing stream of communication by which Trump would receive his "orders". If Mueller COULD have charged Flynn with being an "unregistered agent" of Russia, he would have done so already.
Where Flynn REALLY was in deep doo-doo was with Turkey, not Russia. Many hundreds of thousands of dollars exchanged hands for Flynn's services to kidnap Fethulla Gulan . I believe that Mueller wrested a guilty plea from Flynn, not over anything related to RUSSIA!! but over his income from TURKEY. Mueller made the charge vaguely related to RUSSIA!! so he could claim it was part of his mandate, but it seems to me that Mueller was ignoring/ using larger issues to "build a case" over a "Russian collusion" that didn't actually exist.
The same process seems to be in play with Papadoupolus and Israel, and Manafort and Ukraine: Mueller is using larger but unrelated issues to squeeze Trump campaign members to concoct a series of RUSSIA!! "connections" that were trivial or tangential. Mueller is basically cherry-picking like crazy to create a narrative that wouldn't withstand a more balanced, open-ended approach.
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AND FINALLY
Quote:https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-watchdog-finds-comey-defied-author
OIG Report Finds Comey "Defied Authority" And Was "Insubordinate"
The Justice Department's internal watchdog has concluded that James Comey defied authority at times during his tenure as FBI director, according to sources familiar with a draft report on the matter.
One source told ABC News that the draft report explicitly used the word "insubordinate" to describe Comey's behavior. Another source agreed with that characterization but could not confirm the use of the term.
In the draft report, Inspector General Michael Horowitz also rebuked former Attorney General Loretta Lynch for her handling of the federal investigation into Hillary Clinton's personal email server, the sources said....
The draft of Horowitz's wide-ranging report specifically called out Comey for ignoring objections from the Justice Department when he disclosed in a letter to Congress just days before the 2016 presidential election that FBI agents had reopened the Clinton probe, according to sources. Clinton has said that letter doomed her campaign.
Before Comey sent the letter to Congress, at least one senior Justice Department official told the FBI that publicizing the bombshell move so close to an election would violate longstanding department policy, and it would ignore federal guidelines prohibiting the disclosure of information related to an ongoing investigation, ABC News was told.
... But in backing Trump's ultimate decision to fire Comey last year, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein slammed Comey's letter to Congress and said it "was wrong" for Comey "to usurp the Attorney General's authority" when he announced in July 2016 that the FBI would not be filing charges against Clinton or her aides.
"It is not the function of the Director to make such an announcement," Rosenstein said in a letter to Trump recommending Comey be fired. "At most, the Director should have said the FBI had completed its investigation and presented its findings to federal prosecutors."
ity-fbi-director/story?id=55670834
ORIGINALLY FOUND HERE
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-06/oig-report-finds-comey-defie
d-authority-and-was-insubordinate
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Look, the monkey is throwing shit again...
Remember, your statement that I said was full of monkey crap was:
"The MSM just regurgitates what the Deep State tells it to."
Maybe reading that now again you will see what a piece of sh*t that is? No? Ok:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
1) Linked three articles
Yeah, thanks for showing those. I'm a little surprised since they didn't prove your staatement. What was Berstein's most recent CIA/Reporter citing? WWI? Ok, almost 50 years ago. So, enormous fail. Even if they were from today, it was what 3 reporters? So not "The MSM" as you said. IN other words, your statement was sh*t.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
2) Referred to many more instances (eg. every "intervention" we openly engaged in since the Korean war, including Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya) and the ones we did less openly (Sudan, Pakistan, Yemen, Ukraine, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, and indeed most of South and Central America over the past 60 years)
Whatever, nothing to do with, "The MSM just regurgitates what the Deep State tells it too."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
3) Posted a video of a former "chief propagandist" and Time Editor
Was that the one from the Civil War? Just one? So not, "The MSM just regurgitates what the Deep State tells it too."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
4) Cited Brennan and Richard Stengel as "deep state" officers who are subsequently welcomed into the media, and there are plenty more examples ..
Right - did you scout that out by reading the heading underneath their image where the channel discloses exactly who they are? So full disclosure? Don't you think it's valuable to hear what they have to say in that context so you can make up your own mind? I hear Sarah Sanderson and I know she's lying and I still welcome the chance to hear what lies they find valuable to tell.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You have not engaged in specifically discussing even ONE of these examples, much less refuting any of them.
Gee, I dunno, maybe that's because I'm just getting around to answering them now...?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But that's what liars do: They accuse others of what they themselves do.
Ha - u so funny, Siggy Goebels. I'm at least glad we can agree that your statement, "The MSM just regurgitates what the Deep State tells it too," was way over the top and a silly joke that face planted at best.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You CAN engage in the discussion. Or you can STFU
Wait, you just tried to runaway, "I guess we've beat this to death..."
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I've already provided a few dozens of examples of how the media just regurgitates what it's told, from the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident (which never happened) to Brennan now working for CNN. I'm not going to continuously counter your reflexive denial of events caused by, yanno, your cognitive dissonance. You know what they say about horses and water? Well, that's you.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've already provided a few dozens of examples of how the media just regurgitates what it's told, from the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident (which never happened) to Brennan now working for CNN. I'm not going to continuously counter your reflexive denial of events caused by, yanno, your cognitive dissonance. You know what they say about horses and water? Well, that's you.
Ok - pretend you are a reporter at one of the top newspapers. Or pretend you are a reporter at a secondary, even third rate paper. Even: pretend you are a reporter for an up and coming Internet magazine and you are trying to show you can bring the news just like old media does. Who do you think has the resources to find information and who do you think has a lot of the secrets? Right - the spooks. So you try and find them, or maybe they find you, and you try and "work your source." That's what a pro does. Do you make a deal for info? Maybe. Do you trust what they tell you? Maybe. Do you just go back to your desk and type what they tell you? That's where the work starts.
Do you really think today's journalists have no clue about the history of Intel and Journalism? Like you're the first person to discover it? I'm thinking journalists who go to school know about it freshman year - 19 years old - and they know the history and the risks and the consequences (NYTimes) . Sorry, your trying to white wash an entire profession, all MSM and their efforts is the very smelliest of bullshit. Thank the gods for the press we have and screw Trump and anyone else who tries to undermine or minimize them. Hold them accountable? Always. I think Trump's daily lying-sack-o-sh*t routine has made most of them tighten up their reporting even more. "We're not going to be like him."
Remember: just like Trump, all outlets have a base, and they have to be considered when putting together content. But that's not necessarily as B&W as you might think. Not, "Trump Good v Trump Bad." Sadly, a large portion of the US population is either too lazy or too indifferent or too ignorant to want to deal with understanding the differences or the significance of subtly or nuance.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've already provided a few dozens of examples of how the media just regurgitates what it's told, from the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident (which never happened) to Brennan now working for CNN. I'm not going to continuously counter your reflexive denial of events caused by, yanno, your cognitive dissonance. You know what they say about horses and water? Well, that's you.
Ok - pretend you are a reporter at one of the top newspapers. Or pretend you are a reporter at a secondary, even third rate paper. Even: pretend you are a reporter for an up and coming Internet magazine and you are trying to show you can bring the news just like old media does. Who do you think has the resources to find information and who do you think has a lot of the secrets? Right - the spooks. So you try and find them, or maybe they find you, and you try and "work your source." That's what a pro does. Do you make a deal for info? Maybe. Do you trust what they tell you? Maybe. Do you just go back to your desk and type what they tell you? That's where the work starts.
Do you really think today's journalists have no clue about the history of Intel and Journalism? Like you're the first person to discover it? I'm thinking journalists who go to school know about it freshman year - 19 years old - and they know the history and the risks and the consequences (NYTimes) . Sorry, your trying to white wash an entire profession, all MSM and their efforts is the very smelliest of bullshit. Thank the gods for the press we have and screw Trump and anyone else who tries to undermine or minimize them. Hold them accountable? Always. I think Trump's daily lying-sack-o-sh*t routine has made most of them tighten up their reporting even more. "We're not going to be like him."
Remember: just like Trump, all outlets have a base, and they have to be considered when putting together content. But that's not necessarily as B&W as you might think. Not, "Trump Good v Trump Bad." Sadly, a large portion of the US population is either too lazy or too indifferent or too ignorant to want to deal with understanding the differences or the significance of subtly or nuance.
I can't remember the last time I saw an article that was written by somebody who didn't cite anonymous sources that can't be traced back by anybody else.
Names or it didn't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I can't remember the last time I saw an article that was written by somebody who didn't cite anonymous sources that can't be traced back by anybody else.
Names or it didn't happen.
Six: "Trump robot reporting for duty, sir!"
You obviously don't read much.
It's called protecting sources. Journalists go to jail to protect their sources. That's HOW information gets out, that's how we learn the sh*t they don't want us to know. When there's so much at stake people can loose a lot if they leak or if they get caught or if they allow it. So, duh, no names.
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Ok - pretend you are a reporter at one of the top newspapers. Or pretend you are a reporter at a secondary, even third rate paper. Even: pretend you are a reporter for an up and coming Internet magazine and you are trying to show you can bring the news just like old media does. Who do you think has the resources to find information and who do you think has a lot of the secrets? Right - the spooks. So you try and find them, or maybe they find you, and you try and "work your source." That's what a pro does. Do you make a deal for info? Maybe. Do you trust what they tell you? Maybe. Do you just go back to your desk and type what they tell you? That's where the work starts.
Do you recall the videos posted by Project Veritas? How editors/ reporters said outright that the Russia story was a "big nothingburger", but they were riding that hobby-horse anyway?
Your intrepid reporter seems to be working in a vacuum ... no editorial control whatsoever ... unlike the real world, where editors tell reporters which stories they're going to follow and which ones they're going to spike. Any major media organization already has a well-established editorial board, so we can cross off the "intrepid reporter" scenario off the major media. News manipulation depends on story selection as well as content.
But, OK .... let's say that you're an internet reporter (somebody YOU already wouldn't pay any attention to because, yanno, not "trustworthy") and you aren't reporting to an editorial board, and you aren't dependent on Youtube "monetization" (Youtube controls search results, revenue, and content) but you have an independent source of income which allows you to more-or-less follow the stories YOU want to follow. As long as you don't have to travel too far a abroad or make too many trips to DC which would put a dent in your pocketbook.
Hmmm... already, we've narrowed the field down quite a bit, from "thousands" of potential investigative reporters to maybe hundreds, or dozens.
And being a small outfit, you don't have high-level spooks beating a path to your door to feed you tidbits of information (something that should be highly suspect to any decent reporter. Because WHY are you getting this information, anyway? Cui bono?). Maybe you depend on "unofficial" leaks ... disgruntled employees who realize that going the full "whistleblower" path is a pointless exercise in self-sacrifice ... or social media. What do you do then? What "work" will you put into the story to validate the claims?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you recall the videos posted by Project Veritas? How editors/ reporters said outright that the Russia story was a "big nothingburger", but they were riding that hobby-horse anyway?
I sure do, but I bet the one I remember is different than the one you do:
https://bit.ly/2Awy0P2
"At the unusually late hour of 9.04am on Monday morning, Donald Trump marked his return to Washington after Thanksgiving by announcing a big new idea. There should be a contest, he tweeted, to determine which media outlet should be awarded the “fake news trophy” for being “most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage”.
Just hours later, the first winner of the president’s new medal emerged, though the trophy holder was not quite as he had expected. Instead of CNN or one of the TV networks that Trump frequently assails, the award for scurrilous and deceitful practice went to someone much closer to home.
On Monday afternoon, Project Veritas, the discredited rightwing attack organization run by James O’Keefe that specializes in sting operations against liberal groups and the established media, was itself thoroughly exposed. The Washington Post turned the spotlight that O’Keefe had tried to put on the newspaper back on him by disclosing a plot to dupe its reporters into publishing an entirely false story.
The fake account was peddled by a woman named Jaime Phillips who claimed to have had an abortion when she was 15 after sexual encounters with the Republican senatorial candidate in Alabama, Roy Moore. Post reporters did their due diligence, grew suspicious of her narrative, and later watched her walking into the Project Veritas offices in New York."
And when Van Jones said "nothing burger" he clearly meant there was nothing going on right now. Have you ever heard of Cambridge Analytica?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your intrepid reporter seems to be working in a vacuum ... no editorial control whatsoever ... unlike the real world, where editors tell reporters which stories they're going to follow ... and which ones they're going to spike. Any major media organization already has a well-established editorial board, so we can cross off the "intrepid reporter" scenario off the major media. News manipulation depends on story selection as well as content.
You have no idea how journalism works, or you are yet again just acting like a stooge. Maybe if you are an unproven, first year writer you are helped by and editorial staff, but proven writers follow their instincts and get support from editors.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But, OK .... let's say that you're an internet reporter (somebody YOU already wouldn't pay any attention to because, yanno, not "trustworthy")...
Siggy invents fake news. Making sh*t up is her default way to try to win a discussion. Siggy invents a reporter and then invents that I wouldn't pay any attention without specifics, just cardboard cutout that I wouldn't trust - lazy and weak.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... and you aren't reporting to an editorial board, and you aren't dependent on Youtube "monetization" (Youtube controls search results, revenue, and content) but you have an independent source of income which allows you to more-or-less follow the stories YOU want to follow. As long as you don't have to travel too far a abroad or make too many trips to DC which would put a dent in your pocketbook.
Hmmm... already, we've narrowed the field down quite a bit, from "thousands" of potential investigative reporters to maybe hundreds, or dozens.
Narrowed it down quite a bit??? How about to zero? Who are these professional journalists with an, "independent source of income," and also tick off the other boxes you suggest? Everyone works for someone, even if it's just their reade
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Quote:Congratulations! You just evaded my question!
Congratulations! You just described the hard part, the work, of being a journalist
I didn't "describe" the work at all! I asked YOU to describe it! I would categorize your reply as "utter failure"!
But, if you think about it, you MIGHT come up with some ideas on how to validate a story! (OTOH, since you tend to swallow "mainstream" press hook, line, and sinker, it seems you have not a clue on how to do fact checking at all, so maybe this is a tougher assignment for you than I thought)
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Another GOPer Breaks With Trump On ‘Spygate,’ Suggests POTUS Wants ‘More Chaos’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/another-goper-breaks-with-trum
p-on-‘spygate’-suggests-potus-wants-‘more-chaos’/ar-AAylqnG?ocid=spartanntp
Oh my...
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Quote:Is this proof that Trolls are so stupid they think EPA is part of DoJ/FBI?
Originally posted by JJ:
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Is this proof that Trolls are so retarded they think Hilliary destroyed SecState emails about EPA?
Is this proof that Trolls are so moronic they think the DoJ Inspector General was investigating EPA?
Is this proof that Trolls are so insipid they cannot read the title of a thread?
Although these Trolls have clearly not mastered human speech, it is still amazing such idiots can function among the human populace.
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So many untruths like the Trump campaign was spied on, so little time to concern myself with them.
tick tock
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Trump: ‘I don’t think I have to prepare very much’ for North Korea meeting
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-prepare-north-korea-meeting/
Who the fuck was stupid enough to vote for this guy? No one who posts in these threads I'm sure.
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Quote:So, June 14.
DOJ To Release Report On Clinton Email Probe On June 14 With Explosive Hearing To Follow
As we have reported over the past year, the inspector general's probe has so far focused on former FBI Director James Comey's various statements and letters regarding the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, as well as the unauthorized disclosure of nonpublic information by Justice Department employees. ...
As ABC reported yesterday - oddly enough this particular leak did not make it to either WaPo, nor NYT nor CNN - the report is expected to fault Comey, accusing him of defying authority at times during his tenure as the nation's top FBI official. It's also expected to criticize former Attorney General Loretta Lynch for her handling of the Clinton email investigation... https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-07/doj-release-report-clinton-e
mail-probe-june-14-explosive-hearing-follow
What I want to know is, when will we get a report on Strzok, Page, McCabe, and Comey spying on the Trump campaign?
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Quote:I think they needed to filter all of this through the criminals at DoJ/FBI so they could
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So, June 14.
DOJ To Release Report On Clinton Email Probe On June 14 With Explosive Hearing To Follow
As we have reported over the past year, the inspector general's probe has so far focused on former FBI Director James Comey's various statements and letters regarding the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, as well as the unauthorized disclosure of nonpublic information by Justice Department employees. ...
As ABC reported yesterday - oddly enough this particular leak did not make it to either WaPo, nor NYT nor CNN - the report is expected to fault Comey, accusing him of defying authority at times during his tenure as the nation's top FBI official. It's also expected to criticize former Attorney General Loretta Lynch for her handling of the Clinton email investigation... https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-07/doj-release-report-clinton-e
mail-probe-june-14-explosive-hearing-follow
What I want to know is, when will we get a report on Strzok, Page, McCabe, and Comey spying on the Trump campaign?
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New Book: Trump Team, Not Deep State, Revealed Flynn’s Talks With Russians
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-book-trump-team-not-deep-s
tate-revealed-flynn’s-talks-with-russians/ar-AAymRMN?ocid=spartanntp
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Originally posted by JJ:
New Book: Trump Team, Not Deep State, Revealed Flynn’s Talks With Russians
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-book-trump-team-not-deep-s
tate-revealed-flynn’s-talks-with-russians/ar-AAymRMN?ocid=spartanntp
Quote:Phffftttt!!! Like I believe him.
The Trump transition team told Barack Obama’s White House about Mike Flynn’s fateful conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, according to a senior Obama aide’s new memoir.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Congratulations! You just evaded my question!
Congratulations! You just described the hard part, the work, of being a journalist
Congratulations! You just helped me prove your statement was shite! The MSM doesn't just regurgitate what the Deep State tells it to - thanks you!
Bonus ape feces from Siggy:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"since you tend to swallow "mainstream" press hook, line, and sinker..."
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Quote:Huh?
Congratulations! You just helped me prove your statement was shite! The MSM doesn't just reurgitate what the Deep State tells it to - thanks you!
It seems that GSTRING just made MY point for me! So, does this make sense to ANYone? If so, can you explain to me how GSTRING's inability to describe the "hard work" of journalism proves that journalists actually DO that "hard work"?
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I can't explain anything G says to you or anyone else.
He's recently been patting is back pretty hard for some real zingers he thought he was making that don't make any sense at all in the context he was presenting them.
I think all that Leftist brainwashing might just have broken his poor brain.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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6IXSTRINGJACK: "I can't explain anything G says to you or anyone else."
SIGGY: "So, does this make sense to ANYone?"
Lack of basic Intelligence - one of the hallmarks of a typical Trump follower, on full display. Sorry I bothered both of you - please go back to your mouth breathing.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
6IXSTRINGJACK: "I can't explain anything G says to you or anyone else."
SIGGY: "So, does this make sense to ANYone?"
Lack of basic Intelligence - one of the hallmarks of a typical Trump follower, on full display. Sorry I bothered both of you - please go back to your mouth breathing.
Maybe you can explain yourself more clearly? Or maybe you can't!
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I guess maybe you can't. I mean, REALLY can't.
I wouldn't go claiming that others on short on brains, if I were you.
In the meantime, June 14 is the target date.
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Quote:I'm betting can't.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Maybe you can explain yourself more clearly? Or maybe you can't!
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
6IXSTRINGJACK: "I can't explain anything G says to you or anyone else."
SIGGY: "So, does this make sense to ANYone?"
Lack of basic Intelligence - one of the hallmarks of a typical Trump follower, on full display. Sorry I bothered both of you - please go back to your mouth breathing.
Every reasonable person will be betting can't.
Anyone with basic Intelligence will be betting can't.
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I did hear about one reason they needed to wait until this next week before release.
Sean Hannity is to be in Singapore for the week. They are terrified of him and didn't want to work their Spin while he was in town.
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I bet can, I bet can. Put me down as a can vote.
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Tomorrow is the day.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tomorrow is the day.
Thursday? First day of World Cup 2018? The Day Cohen flips? Perhaps a Qanon prophecy?
Do tell.
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Tomorrow is the day.-SIGNY
Thursday? First day of World Cup 2018? The Day Cohen flips? Perhaps a Qanon prophecy? Do tell. - PLEASE SIGN ME "CLUELESS"
Tick tock.
I can hardly wait for the criminal probe.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tomorrow is the day.
Your first day working at TJMAX? Get your driver's license day? Going out for "sodas" day? Retainers coming off?
O-Right! The Clinton Distraction probe! Good job underling! march, march, march... I'd forgot all about her with all this lying and blatant racism and prison state for children and immigrant bashing and North Korea and Russians running the White House and Dictator ball washing ...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tick tock.
I can hardly wait for the criminal probe.
And...and...? The day is almost over and you have said anything - why not butter cup? Not the "criminal probe" you were expecting? Not happy with the selection from the all-you-can-eat crow buffet?? No worries - we'll be here waiting for you to get with HQ and post their official sh*t spin on this.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tick tock.
I can hardly wait for the criminal probe.
And...and...? The day is almost over and you have said anything - why not butter cup? Not the "criminal probe" you were expecting? Not happy with the selection from the all-you-can-eat crow buffet?? No worries - we'll be here waiting for you to get with HQ and post their official sh*t spin on this.
It takes time for comrade sig to get her instructions. Don't forget, Russia is several time zones away. Anyway the big take away from the report. Nobody and no institutions are perfect. Since the agency consists of more than 10,000, I think the FBI comes off looking pretty good. The justice department as well.
Yes some things are troublesome in the report but when put into perspective, the FBI and justice department are on top of it. Oh yeah, no one is guilty of anything they are going to be charged with except in the publics eye. A few were stupid and one was arrogant.
OK sig, back to Trump and Russia. tick tock
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"and you have said anything"
Not your most coherent attempt to use human language.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:Have you forgotten? The bar is set extremely low there.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"and you have said anything"
Not your most coherent attempt to use human language.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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I haven't seen who/what was referred to Criminal Prosecutions. Would that be not included in the IG Report?
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NO, this is NOT the "criminal probe" which ... btw .. is still ongoing.
tick tock
Horowitz' findings placed blame squarely in your hero- Comey- for deviating from FBI policy and being insubordinate, which wreaked havoc on the integrity of the FBI.
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Ironically, Comey, fired FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, former FBI agent Peter Strzok and others, by their actions, just made it more difficult for special counsel Robert Mueller to prosecute Trump for obstruction. There is now a comprehensive conclusion by career investigators that Comey violated core agency rules and undermined the integrity of the FBI. In other words, there was ample reason to fire James Comey...
The IG report found additional emails showing a political bias against Trump and again featuring the relationship of Strzok and former FBI attorney Lisa Page. In one exchange, Page again sought reassurance from Strzok, who was a critical player in the investigations of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, that Trump is “not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” Strzok responded, “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.”
The IG noted that some of these shocking emails occurred at that point in October 2016 when the FBI was dragging its feet on the Clinton email investigation and Strzok was a critical player in that investigation. The IG concluded that bias was reflected in that part of the investigation with regard to Strzok and his role. Notably, the IG was in the same position as Mueller: The IG admits that the Strzok-Page emails “potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions were impacted by bias or improper considerations.” This includes the decision by Strzok to prioritize the Russian investigation over the Clinton investigation. The IG states that “[w]e concluded that we did not have confidence that this decision by Strzok was free from bias.”
On the other hand, they couldn't find any evidence that bias was the sole reason for those decisions. So, unlike Mueller who seeks to concoct a case by going on an endless fishing expedition and cobbling together a case from coincidence and forced testimony, Horowitz did what investigators are supposed to do.
Here is the referral for criminal prosecution
https://www.scribd.com/document/376738736/Congressional-Criminal-Refer
ral-to-DOJ
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Did anybody think it funny that the scheduled release time for the Report yesterday was 3pm Eastern?
The minute after the Rush Limbaugh Show ends each day.
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Yes, the world hinges on when Limbaugh is on.
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Quote:Signym, you lied when you wrote "The FBI did EVERYTHING it could to put all of the evidence of Hillary wrongdoing permanently out of reach." You lie too often and with too many words. You are completely untrustworthy because you took zerohedge's slanted report and made it even more misleading. www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-17/inspector-general-finds-fbi-doj-brok
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The person who's throwing "cheap smoke bombs" is YOU, my friend. You just did, with that "cheap smoke bomb" smoke bomb. But that's what liars do: They accuse others of what they themselves do.
You CAN engage in the discussion. Or you can STFU, which would be another good alternative. Personally, I think I provided more than enough references to keep you busy for a while (if you intend to learn about the topic), and any further information from me would be a waste of my time (You would probably reject anything else I posted anyway) and a distraction from the topic of the thread, so until you come up with something OTHER THAN lies and snark, I think the discussion has reached it's end.
e-law-clinton-email-probe-refers-criminal
Signym, use the original. And then don't lie about what is in the report.
From the Inspector General’s Comey Report about Comey’s decision not to accuse Clinton of “gross negligence”.
We further found that the statute that required the most complex analysis by the prosecutors was Section 793(f)(1), the "gross negligence" provision that has been the focus of much of the criticism of the declination decision. As we describe in Chapters Two and Seven of our report, the prosecutors analyzed the legislative history of Section 793(f)(1), relevant case law, and the Department's prior interpretation of the statute. They concluded that Section 793(f)(1) likely required a state of mind that was "so gross as to almost suggest deliberate intention," criminally reckless, or "something that falls just short of being willful," as well as evidence that the individuals who sent emails containing classified information "knowingly" included or transferred such information onto unclassified systems.
The Midyear team concluded that such proof was lacking. We found that this interpretation of Section 793(f)(1) was consistent with the Department's historical approach in prior cases under different leadership, including in the 2008 decision not to prosecute former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for mishandling classified documents.
from page vi of www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download
So Clinton did nothing even remotely prosecutable, and she clearly didn’t display “gross negligence.” Despite this, Comey just had to say something to keep Republicans at bay, so he made up his “extremely careless” remark—something that was both inappropriate and lacked any legal foundation.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/06/here-are-three-excerpts-from-th
e-igs-comey-report/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:It is heartening to learn that you have accidentally swerved into Reality for a brief moment today.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Yes, the world hinges on when Limbaugh is on.
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Signym, you lied when you wrote "The FBI did EVERYTHING it could to put all of the evidence of Hillary wrongdoing permanently out of reach."
Did Hillary wipe her files AFTER she was subpoenaed for them? Yes, she did.
Were they wiped in such a way (BleachBit) as to make them permanently irretrievable, even with forensic analysis/reconstruction of the hard drive, via looking at the margins of the electronic track? Yes, they were. (You can only achieve this by over-writing the files multiple times, ensuring that even when the head "wobbles" a little bit and writes a little off to the side of the track, that TOO will be overwritten.)
Were file selections overseen by Hillary aides? Were these aides granted immunity, allowing them to NOT testify? Yes, they were.
Were their smart phones and laptops, which MAY have contained copies or other evidence of willful wrongdoing, allowed to be destroyed ... NOT like with a cloth but more like, with a hammer? Yes, they were
Were any other possible copies of files ... such as at the Clinton Foundation ... or other possible sources of information pursued and subpoenaed? No, they were not.
Did Loretta Lynch inadvisably and inexplicably chat with Bill Clinton for 20 minutes while the DOJ/ FBI was investigating his wife?
Did ANY of this follow normal investigatory procedure? NOT FOR A SECOND.
All that Horowitz' report demonstrates is that HILLARY ERASED ENOUGH EVIDENCE - WITH FBI ASSISTANCE- THAT PROOF OF WRONGDOING WAS NOT AVAILABLE. Gee, just like with "Whitewater", where the files mysteriously showed up right after the statute of limitations ran out.
That is reality, and it's indisputable. If you can ignore that entire history while chasing Russian phantoms, then you have one or two screws missing.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Horowitz' findings placed blame squarely in your hero- Comey- for deviating from FBI policy and being insubordinate, which wreaked havoc on the integrity of the FBI.
Nice try, moon brain, I can't stand Comey, or Hillary. Plus it looks like Comey's actions cost Clinton the presidency. The only upside for me from that would be no lying sack of Trump in the WH.
And as far as prioritizing Russia over Emails, that seems like an obvious choice. Careless handling of unknown email content or an assault on our Democracy - easy.
Face it - this flopped harder than a Nunes memo.
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Quote:which may have included "pay for play" while Hillary was at the State Department, allowing foreign nations like Saudi Arabia to influence our foreign policy through the application of money ...
Careless handling of unknown email content
Nah... not a problem!
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Horowitz' findings placed blame squarely in your hero- Comey- for deviating from FBI policy and being insubordinate, which wreaked havoc on the integrity of the FBI.
Nice try, moon brain, I can't stand Comey, or Hillary. Plus it looks like Comey's actions cost Clinton the presidency. The only upside for me from that would be no lying sack of Trump in the WH.
And as far as prioritizing Russia over Emails, that seems like an obvious choice. Careless handling of unknown email content or an assault on our Democracy - easy.
Face it - this flopped harder than a Nunes memo.
Lets not forget Trump refuses to stop using unsecured phones. Our local hypocrites say nothing about that. Clinton's emails were more secure than that. Everything they say defending Trump comes from the fantasy world of the delusional.
Trump is caught lying more than six times a day. These guys repeat those lies. The clock is running so no concerns there.
tick tock
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