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Unemployment Rate Facts
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Friday, May 18, 2018 11:56 PM
Quote:U-3 is the lowest Rate since 1994, also U-6, the Unemployed Rate, the Marginally Attached Rate, the Want A Job Now Rate.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I'd possibly buy that it might be better than after 9/11. No way I'm buying that it's better since before the dot.com crash though.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well, it's also mostly better than any time since 9/11, or better than any time since 1994, when much of the data was created.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I didn't say it wasn't better. But if we're using the Obama Administration unemployment rate as the goal to beat now, we're not exactly shooting for the stars.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Do you still dispute the Unemployment data now is not better than at any time under Obama?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Why do you suppose that is?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also see a story that almost 25% of Millennials aged 24-36 live with mom. And it was only 13.5% in 2005.
And another story from August 2013 said that in 2007 Millennials aged 18-31 had 18.5 Million, or 32%, lived with mom & dad. By Aug 2013 that had risen to 21.6 million, or 36%.
Could it be because the unemployment numbers aren't real, and/or the jobs that are available now pay shit compared to what they used to?
https://www.thecut.com/2017/04/so-many-millennials-are-living-at-home-
but-arent-burnouts.html
It's gotten so bad that we're not only making excuses for them, but we're actually praising how "savvy" they are for leaching off their parents well into their 30's.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Besides that, wages have been stagnant for going on 20 years now. Meanwhile, we're losing earnings every year to inflation. This means that everybody that still isn't unemployed or underemployed is making a lot less than they did in the late 90's/early 2000's.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
There might be more shitty jobs now, but they don't pay the bills. Just drawing a paycheck doesn't mean anything when half the country makes as little as I do now or even less. Oh well. At least the house is paid for.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Only the Involuntary Part-Time Rate is slightly more than 2 of the years. And the Labor Force Participation Rate is not yet recovered from 8 years of Obamanomics.
All of that seems fairly obvious.
Also, remember that those aged 30 to 38 now don't WANT to make as much now as folk in the late 90s - that's the reason they decided to Rock-The-Vote in the first place, to destroy the Economy and the Jobs that went with it.
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Saturday, May 19, 2018 6:54 AM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
U-3 is the lowest Rate since 1994, also U-6, the Unemployed Rate, the Marginally Attached Rate, the Want A Job Now Rate.
Only the Involuntary Part-Time Rate is slightly more than 2 of the years. And the Labor Force Participation Rate is not yet recovered from 8 years of Obamanomics.
All of that seems fairly obvious.
It's obvious to somebody who believes any numbers presented to them that bolster their own arguments. Do take the time to remind yourself the asinine way that these numbers are pulled out of the air when they could just as easily, and much more accurately collate the data through tax revenue and present us with a real picture of the economy (which neither side ever actually wants to do because it's a dismal picture).
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Also, remember that those aged 30 to 38 now don't WANT to make as much now as folk in the late 90s - that's the reason they decided to Rock-The-Vote in the first place, to destroy the Economy and the Jobs that went with it.
Well there you go over-generalizing and blaming the victim again.
I wouldn't mind making as much as I did in the late 90's and the early 2000's. I was making over 50k a year when I was 20 and rose from 30k to over 60k at a job I had until my 30th birthday before they took my salary and paid 10 Indians with it. All of that was done without a college degree. An impossible feat today, regardless of what your little data tables tell you.
Some people actually have a history of being stomped on, while others sit in their mom's basement into their 30's and 40's because of how unfair their college professors told them life is.
Do you know how hard it is to be the smartest person in any room you walk into, and some of those rooms contain sub-par management that is making anywhere from 5 to 10 times what you're making?
Meanwhile, you don't need a fancy car or flashy clothes. You'd just like to have enough money to afford a car that can reliably get you to work and back without risking a stroke, and you want to own a few shirts that aren't 10 years old and/or have don't have holes in them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:38 AM
Quote:I am not sure that your - or anybody's - anecdotal narrative will trump the quantity of data compiled each month. You are claiming that there is no such thing as a measure to evaluate the subject. I disagree with this concept, while I agree the data should be viewed with discretion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:It's obvious to somebody who believes any numbers presented to them that bolster their own arguments.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
U-3 is the lowest Rate since 1994, also U-6, the Unemployed Rate, the Marginally Attached Rate, the Want A Job Now Rate.
Only the Involuntary Part-Time Rate is slightly more than 2 of the years. And the Labor Force Participation Rate is not yet recovered from 8 years of Obamanomics.
All of that seems fairly obvious.
Quote:I haven't found it hard. But what is your meaning? How statistically defiant it is to be the smartest in any room? Or how resentful you are that less smart people out-earn and out-rank you?Quote:Well there you go over-generalizing and blaming the victim again.
Also, remember that those aged 30 to 38 now don't WANT to make as much now as folk in the late 90s - that's the reason they decided to Rock-The-Vote in the first place, to destroy the Economy and the Jobs that went with it.
I wouldn't mind making as much as I did in the late 90's and the early 2000's. I was making over 50k a year when I was 20 and rose from 30k to over 60k at a job I had until my 30th birthday before they took my salary and paid 10 Indians with it. All of that was done without a college degree. An impossible feat today, regardless of what your little data tables tell you.
Do you know how hard it is to be the smartest person in any room you walk into, and some of those rooms contain sub-par management that is making anywhere from 5 to 10 times what you're making?
Yes, once Obama shipped your jobs overseas, it has become vastly more difficult to bring them back. But again, to place your blame for this elsewhere than the cause - those who decided to destroy Jobs and the Economy with Rock-The-Vote and then Electing the Drug Dealer In Chief - is disingenuous.
This is like whining about being an orphan after murdering your parents. Your whining doesn't fly.
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Saturday, May 19, 2018 1:04 PM
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Saturday, May 19, 2018 6:37 PM
Quote:Well there you go over-generalizing and blaming the victim again.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I am not sure that your - or anybody's - anecdotal narrative will trump the quantity of data compiled each month. You are claiming that there is no such thing as a measure to evaluate the subject. I disagree with this concept, while I agree the data should be viewed with discretion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:It's obvious to somebody who believes any numbers presented to them that bolster their own arguments.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
U-3 is the lowest Rate since 1994, also U-6, the Unemployed Rate, the Marginally Attached Rate, the Want A Job Now Rate.
Only the Involuntary Part-Time Rate is slightly more than 2 of the years. And the Labor Force Participation Rate is not yet recovered from 8 years of Obamanomics.
All of that seems fairly obvious.Quote:Quote:
Also, remember that those aged 30 to 38 now don't WANT to make as much now as folk in the late 90s - that's the reason they decided to Rock-The-Vote in the first place, to destroy the Economy and the Jobs that went with it.
I wouldn't mind making as much as I did in the late 90's and the early 2000's. I was making over 50k a year when I was 20 and rose from 30k to over 60k at a job I had until my 30th birthday before they took my salary and paid 10 Indians with it. All of that was done without a college degree. An impossible feat today, regardless of what your little data tables tell you.
Do you know how hard it is to be the smartest person in any room you walk into, and some of those rooms contain sub-par management that is making anywhere from 5 to 10 times what you're making?
I haven't found it hard. But what is your meaning? How statistically defiant it is to be the smartest in any room? Or how resentful you are that less smart people out-earn and out-rank you?
Yes, once Obama shipped your jobs overseas, it has become vastly more difficult to bring them back. But again, to place your blame for this elsewhere than the cause - those who decided to Rock-The-Vote and then Elect the Drug Dealer In Chief - is disingenuous.
This is like whining about being an orphan after murdering your parents. Your whining doesn't fly.
Doesn't matter who is to blame. There was a lot of collateral damage done. Fine with me if you put it on millennial voters.
The problem is that it effected a lot more than just millennials.
As long as you stop pretending that the numbers in your tables mean anything and acknowlege that there is an unemployment and especially an underemployment problem, regardless of where it started, then we're pretty much in agreement.
And yes, to your question. I do resent it. Sometimes I wish I was a lot more stupid than I am. That way I could just whistle my way through life and not think about how many stupid and/or inneffective people I have to report to, who's jobs I could do infinatly better than they could. At my age, now I can also add the pleasure of them also being younger than me as well.
Had I not been laid off in 2009, I'd likely be somewhere in middle management at the other company earning at least a 6 figure income, at a job that actually matters in the scheme of things, comparatively speaking.
I work hard as hell, and I do get some perks at this point like basically being able to dictate my schedule to them. They can't pay me any more money for my current position, so they basically bend over backward to make sure that I'll stick around. I'm planting the seeds for a promotion when one becomes available. They know what it would take for me to work full time. Fingers crossed that something happens.
In the mean time, I'm only allowing them to use me as much as it benefits me. I'm in the best shape I've been since my mid 20's and I'm rocking my six pack again. It pays all of my regular b
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Sunday, May 20, 2018 12:26 AM
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Sunday, May 20, 2018 1:30 AM
Quote:I haven't found it hard. But what is your meaning? How statistically defiant it is to be the smartest in any room? Or how resentful you are that less smart people out-earn and out-rank you?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Well there you go over-generalizing and blaming the victim again.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I am not sure that your - or anybody's - anecdotal narrative will trump the quantity of data compiled each month. You are claiming that there is no such thing as a measure to evaluate the subject. I disagree with this concept, while I agree the data should be viewed with discretion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:It's obvious to somebody who believes any numbers presented to them that bolster their own arguments.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
U-3 is the lowest Rate since 1994, also U-6, the Unemployed Rate, the Marginally Attached Rate, the Want A Job Now Rate.
Only the Involuntary Part-Time Rate is slightly more than 2 of the years. And the Labor Force Participation Rate is not yet recovered from 8 years of Obamanomics.
All of that seems fairly obvious.Quote:Quote:
Also, remember that those aged 30 to 38 now don't WANT to make as much now as folk in the late 90s - that's the reason they decided to Rock-The-Vote in the first place, to destroy the Economy and the Jobs that went with it.
I wouldn't mind making as much as I did in the late 90's and the early 2000's. I was making over 50k a year when I was 20 and rose from 30k to over 60k at a job I had until my 30th birthday before they took my salary and paid 10 Indians with it. All of that was done without a college degree. An impossible feat today, regardless of what your little data tables tell you.
Do you know how hard it is to be the smartest person in any room you walk into, and some of those rooms contain sub-par management that is making anywhere from 5 to 10 times what you're making?
Yes, once Obama shipped your jobs overseas, it has become vastly more difficult to bring them back. But again, to place your blame for this elsewhere than the cause - those who decided to Rock-The-Vote and then Elect the Drug Dealer In Chief - is disingenuous.
This is like whining about being an orphan after murdering your parents. Your whining doesn't fly.
Doesn't matter who is to blame. There was a lot of collateral damage done. Fine with me if you put it on millennial voters.
The problem is that it effected a lot more than just millennials.
As long as you stop pretending that the numbers in your tables mean anything and acknowlege that there is an unemployment and especially an underemployment problem, regardless of where it started, then we're pretty much in agreement.
And yes, to your question. I do resent it. Sometimes I wish I was a lot more stupid than I am. That way I could just whistle my way through life and not think about how many stupid and/or inneffective people I have to report to, who's jobs I could do infinatly better than they could. At my age, now I can also add the pleasure of them also being younger than me as well.
Hmmmm. That was the lesser likely answer that I expected.
I am pretty good with Math, including it's application in the Real World around me. So during all of my life since I became aware of my place, I have known that, statistically, I must have a higher IQ than almost every person I will ever know or meet. I must also, statistically, occasionally meet somebody with a higher IQ than mine. But, from the onset, these occasions must be unpredictable and infrequent. I have met some whom I believe are smarter than I, and ponder if their situation is worse in this regard. Of course, smart is a different matter, encompassing the various facets of intelligence, physiology, psychometry, and "Street Smarts" beyond the intelligence that I dwell in.
So, in short and in effect, everyb
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Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:09 AM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yes, I've always known how hard it has been, statistically or in Percentile context, to be the smartest in any room.
I did not think you meant "how hard" as "how burdensome" it was to be the smartest.
I have probably had times when I resented the success of others, but that does not seem the most productive line of thought.
You're right. Pretty much everything you said in that whole post is correct. This is why my mom doesn't understand how I can be "happy" where I'm at in life now and she asks me things like "don't you want some luxuries in life?". To which my response is always "my luxury in life is that I don't have to work full time at a job I hate for an idiot boss I could run circles around".
This also provides me with a bit of leverage as well. Since my company cannot provide me with more money per hour at my current position, and everybody gets the same lousy 2% bonus (because fairness), they need to offer me other things to keep me on staff. It got rocky at my job for about a month there and turned into a high stress affair, and it came to a head when I was written up for the first time in my life for "insubordination". My idiot manager was not going to "dom" me, and I'd frequently yell at her when she tried. This backfired on her though, since it was my way of having a long conversation with the store manager, whom I've never met before, and the 2nd in command who hired me. My work ethic and my ability were never a question, and now I'm given free reign to do my work as I see fit every night and she's been told to give me my space and just let me do my job. We rarely say more than two lines of dialogue on any given night now, and after getting a consensus from the rest of the shift she has been told to tone down her erratically manic tenancies and stop talking down to her good workers and making them quit.
Work is great now, aside from the pay. I get to work out hard every night I'm there, and they no longer give me sporadic days throughout the week. Most of the time I can get two weeks worth of the 3 days a week I'll give them at this rate of pay all in a row, leaving me with very long weekends. I got to leave work last night right after my store manager called me a "rock star". I'm not usually one to fall prey to any meaningless flattery, but after the previous drama with my idiot manager, I can't say I mind.
I may choose to work full time if a higher position is offered to me. They all know my name now, they see what I'm capable of. If they want me full time, they know what they need to do. I'm leveraging my intelligence and my previous financial planning when I did make money to dictate my own terms. If I don't get a promotion, at least I still get that workout every night and they're only allowed to use me as much as I get use out of them.
I try my best not to resent these people. I'm a pretty simple man with simple tastes. If I could get a job making at least 30k a year with benefits, I don't imagine at this point in life I'd resent much of anything. I have no dreams or even desires to ever be rich.
And yes, I've seen Idiocracy. Many times. It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Sunday, May 20, 2018 8:57 AM
Quote:What is dom?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:You're right. Pretty much everything you said in that whole post is correct. This is why my mom doesn't understand how I can be "happy" where I'm at in life now and she asks me things like "don't you want some luxuries in life?". To which my response is always "my luxury in life is that I don't have to work full time at a job I hate for an idiot boss I could run circles around".
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yes, I've always known how hard it has been, statistically or in Percentile context, to be the smartest in any room.
I did not think you meant "how hard" as "how burdensome" it was to be the smartest.
I have probably had times when I resented the success of others, but that does not seem the most productive line of thought.
This also provides me with a bit of leverage as well. Since my company cannot provide me with more money per hour at my current position, and everybody gets the same lousy 2% bonus (because fairness), they need to offer me other things to keep me on staff. It got rocky at my job for about a month there and turned into a high stress affair, and it came to a head when I was written up for the first time in my life for "insubordination". My idiot manager was not going to "dom" me, and I'd frequently yell at her when she tried. This backfired on her though, since it was my way of having a long conversation with the store manager, whom I've never met before, and the 2nd in command who hired me. My work ethic and my ability were never a question, and now I'm given free reign to do my work as I see fit every night and she's been told to give me my space and just let me do my job. We rarely say more than two lines of dialogue on any given night now, and after getting a consensus from the rest of the shift she has been told to tone down her erratically manic tenancies and stop talking down to her good workers and making them quit.
Work is great now, aside from the pay. I get to work out hard every night I'm there, and they no longer give me sporadic days throughout the week. Most of the time I can get two weeks worth of the 3 days a week I'll give them at this rate of pay all in a row, leaving me with very long weekends. I got to leave work last night right after my store manager called me a "rock star". I'm not usually one to fall prey to any meaningless flattery, but after the previous drama with my idiot manager, I can't say I mind.
I may choose to work full time if a higher position is offered to me. They all know my name now, they see what I'm capable of. If they want me full time, they know what they need to do. I'm leveraging my intelligence and my previous financial planning when I did make money to dictate my own terms. If I don't get a promotion, at least I still get that workout every night and they're only allowed to use me as much as I get use out of them.
I try my best not to resent these people. I'm a pretty simple man with simple tastes. If I could get a job making at least 30k a year with benefits, I don't imagine at this point in life I'd resent much of anything. I have no dreams or even desires to ever be rich.
And yes, I've seen Idiocracy. Many times. It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'm a tad surprised that nobody here has ragged on your viewpoint about your physical fitness. I don't think enough people understand the proper balance of excellence and exercise of mental, physical, and emotional.
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Sunday, May 20, 2018 6:14 PM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What is dom?
I forgot how vanilla some of my audience is. Dom = Dominate.
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I'm a tad surprised that nobody here has ragged on your viewpoint about your physical fitness. I don't think enough people understand the proper balance of excellence and exercise of mental, physical, and emotional.
I'm not following your train of thought here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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