And you thought OUR election was fun!!
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, December 5, 2004 01:07
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I have a quick question for those of you claiming voter fraud in the recent presidential election.
Do any of you believe the information you offer as proof is better than that which is possessed by Senator John Kerry?
Do you think he knows this stuff? Knows more? Knows less?
The only person to which this would trully matter isnt saying anything.
Just curious......
They didnt call it the dark ages because it was dark.
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Edwards was willing to go all out for as long as it took. Kerry made a personal or strategic decision to withdraw from the issue. Why he did that is anybody's guess b/c he's not saying.
But what I think is funny is that the FIRST indication that the vote in the Ukraine was rigged was the discrepancy between the exits and the count. That bit disappeared from the news within a half-day.
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I think Kerry made a strategic calculation when he saw the Congressional results. He probably believes that a Republican Congress would make a Democratic President so ineffective that the Democrats would get only one term in the Whit House. If he fought for the election and lost, he'd look like a whiner. If he fought for the election and won, he wouldn't be able to effect any changes and ultimately he'd be smeared with the Republican's mess. But if he DOESN'T fight for the election, he gets to look "reasonable" and the Republicans get smeared with their own mess. From his standpoint, it's a smart decision.
Still, there's a fine line between playing smart and spinelessness.
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Originally posted by rue:
Edwards was willing to go all out for as long as it took. Kerry made a personal or strategic decision to withdraw from the issue. Why he did that is anybody's guess b/c he's not saying.
Perhaps if the Kerry supporters had taken to the streets, instead of the internet, he'd have fought it out.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by TauSetiPrime:
I have a quick question for those of you claiming voter fraud in the recent presidential election.
Do any of you believe the information you offer as proof is better than that which is possessed by Senator John Kerry?
Do you think he knows this stuff? Knows more? Knows less?
The only person to which this would trully matter isnt saying anything.
Just curious......
Excellent question
The Democrates never attacked Bush about lieing, tortureing, or murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in a clearly illegal war... why do you think they would attack them about voter fraud?
Kerry did the same thing Al Gore did - admitted they don't have the power to overthrow a government that controls every aspect of US society. The courts, Congresss, the Senate, and the White House. Remember, we are talking about a government so bent on eating American young like vampires they nearly impeached a US President for staining a girls dress.
Kerry can't call the election a fraud because he hasn't the power to recount the votes without support from the government. A government in the grip of a neofascist ideology.
Besides, it's difficult to recount votes that were destroyed by machines.
The official date of the final vote counting is December 6th.
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Geezer- Did you ever hear about this anti-FTAA demonstration in Miami?
"The main day of protest was Thursday, November 20th, {2003} when the AFL-CIO had organized a permitted march. As they arrived in downtown Miami, attendees had to walk for blocks to circumnavigate the phalanxes of police filling the side streets and arrive at the protest. This included several buses full of retirees, who were forced to walk many blocks to the march after police barred their entry to the permitted rally in the amphitheater. Police intimidation continued throughout the day. Police physically assaulted several retirees, including a man thrown to the ground at gunpoint, and a woman forcibly removed from a public toilet. ... However, shortly after the march ended and protesters returned to Biscayne Boulevard, police attacked a group of peaceful protesters without any provocation. They advanced on the crowd, pushing it back with nightsticks, shields, pepper spray, teargas canisters, rubber bullets, concussion grenades, and pepper balls, as bicycle cops blocked off all other paths from exit.... There were at least 150 arrests Thursday. There were 50 more arrests Friday, as police... abducted multiple people walking on the streets, including many reporters and legal observers."
www.yclusa.org/article/articleview/1578/1/294
(It's all on news videotape, just never aired.)
Because the USA internal news is pretty much managed the way news from Iraq is managed, I'm not sure demonstrations are really very effective here. Unless it's covered by the press, it doesn't serve any purpose in either influencing legislators or changing public opinion. And if it's a violent demonstration, if it DOES make it into the news (not likely) it's a black eye for the demonstrators. In other words, it's a little like peeing in a wet suit. My personal opinion is that another way has to be found.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer- Did you ever hear about this anti-FTAA demonstration in Miami?
So you'd rather have four more years of Bush & Co. than face a little tear gas? That lack of committment doesn't jibe with the passion you seem to show here on the internet.
Ukraine has a population of 48 million, and the opposition were able to rally hundreds of thousands to the capital in a couple of days. The US has 293 million and a much better transportation system. I'd think that a half million people showing up in Washington D.C. and peacefully protesting the election would have been something the media couldn't ignore.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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So you didn't hear about it, did you? I thought not.
I've seen demonstrations of over a million ignored by the press. If facing a little tear gas would make a difference, it might be worth it. But the right wing didn't get into power by demonstrations, did it?
I don't get you, Geezer. What are you trying to say with your all of posts? That everything is fine? That the government is alright?
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
I'm true Ukraine head - Yushchenko
Viktor Yushchenko has called for a campaign of civil disobedience
Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko has declared himself president in front of his supporters as crowds rallied outside parliament.
Mr Yushchenko, who says the election was rigged against him, read the oath of office during a stormy session of parliament attended by opposition MPs.
As a mark of protest he put his hand on a Bible and stood at a window to address about 200,000 people outside...
... International observers have described Sunday's poll - a second round run-off - as seriously flawed, and the US and European Union are calling for an urgent review.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4035755.stm
Now that's a lot more dramatic than sending in a herd of lawyers. I guess we Americans just don't have that kind of flair.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
yeah its real funny what even funnier is that our media is reporting the stolen Ukran elections but they won't report on the stolen election right here..
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Ukraine has a population of 48 million, and the opposition were able to rally hundreds of thousands to the capital in a couple of days. The US has 293 million and a much better transportation system. I'd think that a half million people showing up in Washington D.C. and peacefully protesting the election would have been something the media couldn't ignore.
the 1srt stolen election in
2000 had one of the biggest protest in Washingto D.C in American history and guess what..it was completely ignored by the main stream media...most people had no idea that anything was going on...
take the protest in NewYork during the republican convention..I don't know about cable television ..but it was barely made mention of in the main stream media
Our very own elections this time around was Stolen again... 2 times in a row.. and our media will not report on it..NO instead they report on the Ukran!!
At this point taking it to the streets isn't doing any good..what we need is an underground grass roots movement.. the reason why I say underground because I suspect anyone really out there trying to do something is going to be squashed or ineffecticve..I suspect when things get bad enough..something like that will start to happen!!
and wether you know it or not the internet is a very effective tool for those of us whoes voice isn't being heard...right now the internet is our best friend!! we've been able to accomplish quite a bit with the help of the internet more then we would have been without it..
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