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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:07 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Before you 2 (Six and Sig) get to far ahead of yourselves, there is a lot to be learned by observing the concept of negative space. In this case it shows that no matter who wins Second also loses. If Reps are in power his neighbors are even more unbearable, and if Dems win he gets no tax cut. Sorry to spoil your rants, hope I made your day.

Yeah... Tough days there for Second. I'm gonna cry a bunch for somebody who has enough money they don't ever have to interact with their rich neighbors, and who is going to pay more in taxes this year than I will pay in my entire life.

Boo Hoo.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, May 12, 2018 11:14 AM

"I'm a troll because I have no respect for your thinking?"

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

SECOND

Saturday, May 12, 2018 5:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Before you 2 (Six and Sig) get to far ahead of yourselves, there is a lot to be learned by observing the concept of negative space. In this case it shows that no matter who wins Second also loses. If Reps are in power his neighbors are even more unbearable, and if Dems win he gets no tax cut. Sorry to spoil your rants, hope I made your day.

It's like I am watching a sitcom from Russia that has been dubbed into English. Five minutes of these Republicans clowning around, then I turn off Trump TV because I've got better things to do with real people.

What was the episode subject on Trump TV, yesterday? Drug prices. I don’t have any drug prescriptions but I do own drug stocks. My stocks are up because Trump broke his populist promises to lower drug prices. I am amused that Trump claims drug prices would go lower despite him doing nothing that would move the prices downward. It is a triple win for me: 1) more money for me from the stockmarket. 2) Satisfaction for me that Republican voters won’t get the lower prices Trump promised. 3) My personal amusement that most Republican voters don’t understand and soon won’t even remember what happened. When they do pay higher prices, they will tell themselves the increase would be far worse if Trump hadn’t acted.

Trump Proposes to Cut Drug Prices by Allowing Companies to Charge More

President Trump will lay out on Friday a broad strategy to reduce prescription drug prices, but in a break from one of his most popular campaign promises, he will not call for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug manufacturers, senior administration officials said.

The administration will, as expected, put pressure on foreign countries to relax drug price controls, in the belief that pharmaceutical companies can then lower prices in the United States.

So Trump is proposing to increase drug prices overseas and then do nothing to leverage this into lower prices here.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/05/trump-proposes-to-cut-drug-pric
es-by-allowing-companies-to-charge-more/

Drug company stocks liked Trump speech on drug prices. Trump has abandoned his campaign commitments in favor of an industry-friendly approach.
www.vox.com/2018/5/11/17346006/trump-pharma-speech-stock

President Donald Trump vowed Friday to “derail the gravy train for special interests” as he outlined what he called a comprehensive strategy to lower the cost of prescription drugs by promoting competition and pressing foreign nations to raise their drug prices to alleviate pressure on U.S. consumers.

But he dropped the popular and populist proposals of his presidential campaign, opting not to have the federal government negotiate lower drug prices for Medicare or allow American consumers to import low-cost prescriptions from abroad.

Trump said the current system has been corrupted by greedy businesses and middlemen who have made “an absolute fortune” through “dishonest double-dealing” at the expense of consumers.

But his proposals hardly put a scare into that system. Ronny Gal, a securities analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., said the president’s speech was “very, very positive to pharma,” and he added, “We have not seen anything about that speech which should concern investors” in the pharmaceutical industry.
www.wral.com/trump-outlines-plan-to-lower-drug-prices/17548751/

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, May 12, 2018 5:39 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Before you 2 (Six and Sig) get to far ahead of yourselves, there is a lot to be learned by observing the concept of negative space. In this case it shows that no matter who wins Second also loses. If Reps are in power his neighbors are even more unbearable, and if Dems win he gets no tax cut. Sorry to spoil your rants, hope I made your day.
It's like I am watching a sitcom from Russia that has been dubbed into English. Five minutes of these Republicans clowning around, then I turn off Trump TV because I've got better things to do with real people.

I can barely make 3 minutes before I can't breath. The bleach, the yards of pastel stretch fabric, the nasal whine... too much, the buzz like a hive of angry bees.

Interesting pattern noticed by Chris Hayes and others: Trump does his never ending campaign appearances and during most of them he will rail against a company or a business sector, like drugs and pharma. Afterwards, after the reviews of his speeches have hit the air waves and the newspapers and social media and negative press has started to press in on these businesses, along comes Cohen with a proposition and a tin cup (gold cup). "Do you want the president's ear? i.e., do you want to make him talk about something else? It's a classic shake down, one Trump and Cohen surely learned about when they were very young and greedy and living in NYC.

The more I read the more making politics makes making sausage look like fun, and I have seen (and smelled) making sausage from pig to plate.

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/nick-ayers-mike-pence/

Like flies to shit.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 12, 2018 6:26 PM

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Before you 2 (Six and Sig) get to far ahead of yourselves, there is a lot to be learned by observing the concept of negative space. In this case it shows that no matter who wins Second also loses. If Reps are in power his neighbors are even more unbearable

Oh boo hoo. That's a loss? SECOND hates everyone.

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and if Dems win he gets no tax cut.

Oh boo hoo. SECOND is very happy with 'the way things are' that keep him so near the top of the pile.

SECOND brings up Veblen, who (btw) points out that it is people LIKE SECOND who are the real parasites who are disrupting the system. Why are people LIKE SECOND allowed to be parasites? Because the rules of the game allow it.

A REAL loss, for SECOND, would be something like nationalization of gas fields, where the rules of the game are knocked out from under SECOND. But neither establishment Dems nor Repubs are about to change the rules of the game, because they too sustain crooked politicians, who parasitize the parasites. It's a whole ecology of parasites!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, May 12, 2018 6:54 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Before you 2 (Six and Sig) get to far ahead of yourselves, there is a lot to be learned by observing the concept of negative space. In this case it shows that no matter who wins Second also loses. If Reps are in power his neighbors are even more unbearable
Oh boo hoo. That's a loss? SECOND hates everyone.

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and if Dems win he gets no tax cut.
Oh boo hoo. SECOND is very happy with 'the way things are' that keep him so near the top of the pile.

I try to give you good news and you completely miss it - of course.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND brings up Veblen, who (btw) points out that it is people LIKE SECOND who are the real parasites who are disrupting the system. Why are people LIKE SECOND allowed to be parasites? Because the rules of the game allow it.

A REAL loss, for SECOND, would be something like nationalization of gas fields, where the rules of the game are knocked out from under SECOND. But neither establishment Dems nor Repubs are about to change the rules of the game, because they too sustain the crooked politicians, who parasitize the parasites.

You'd want the US gov to run our oil and gas? You expect anyone to believe that?

Do you think all rental land owners are parasites? Where would people live if they couldn't rent or lease? Tents? Rest stops? A nation of homeless? You stop making any sense when you argue both sides of a concept.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 12, 2018 7:05 PM

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You'd want the US gov to run our oil and gas? You expect anyone to believe that?

Did I say that? No, I didn't. How about this: THE GOVERNMENT becomes the ultimate "rentier" for natural resources, and companies pay THE GOVERNMENT for the right to "develop" these natural resources. That would allow the government to stop collecting income taxes, for example.

If you don't think that's a realistic idea, that's how things work in MOST oil- and gas-producing nations, including Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, and the North Sea nations Norway, Britain, Denmark, Germany, Nederlands.

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Do you think all rental land owners are parasites?

Yes.
Next?

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Where would people live if they couldn't rent or lease?

In their own homes, which they could afford if they weren't being parasitized from morning to night?

Clearly, in your vigorous defense of "consumers" (instead of "producers") you too consider yourself to be a parasite. No wonder you defend parasitism so vigorously!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Saturday, May 12, 2018 8:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND brings up Veblen, who (btw) points out that it is people LIKE SECOND who are the real parasites who are disrupting the system. Why are people LIKE SECOND allowed to be parasites? Because the rules of the game allow it.

A REAL loss, for SECOND, would be something like nationalization of gas fields, where the rules of the game are knocked out from under SECOND. But neither establishment Dems nor Repubs are about to change the rules of the game, because they too sustain crooked politicians, who parasitize the parasites. It's a whole ecology of parasites!

The Communists called Capitalists intestinal parasites, which only showed that Commies loved too much their rhetorical flourishes. The better analogy, which is nastier yet truer, would be Capitalists are Dairymen with the Workers being Milk cows. When there is a drought and the pastures aren’t producing enough grass to keep the entire cow herd fed, Dairymen send part of their herds to the slaughter house because paying for grain (instead of free grass) to feed the excess cattle is expensive.

Dairymen don’t love cows. Capitalists don’t love workers. The Capitalists let the ever-loving government look after the laid-off workers. The workers hope the government loves them during bad times, not treat them like cattle.

I have a historic example of excess workers being fired, exactly like excess cattle being slaughtered during a many years long drought. It is from Signym’s childhood storybook, The Worldly Philosophers, Chapter IX, “The Heresies of John Maynard Keynes”:

And the worst of it, the most depressing aspect of the Great Depression, was that there seemed to be no end to it, no turning point, no relief. In 1930, the nation manfully whistled “Happy Days Are Here Again,” but the national income precipitously fell from $87 billion to $75 billion. In 1931 the country sang “I’ve Got Five Dollars”; meanwhile its income plummeted to $59 billion. In 1932 the song was grimmer: “Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?”—national income had dwindled to a miserable $42 billion.

By 1933 the nation was virtually prostrate. The income of the country was down to $39 billion. Over half the prosperity of only four years back had vanished without a trace; the average standard of living was back where it had been twenty years before.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:14 PM

So here I am, making a simple suggestion that we redirect the military - from pointless, money-wasting adventures overseas and boondoggle military projects, to useful, value-producing work at home.

It seems a modest proposal, and non-partisan, in that neither side has any financial or cultural reason to be more against it than the other.

And SECOND doesn't seem to have anything negative to say about it, because he has done nothing but ignore, mis-direct, misrepresent, and post ad hominems - ie, troll. It looks like he's doing everything BUT address the point.

But I'm curious what other people think.

Set aside your preconceptions about whether or not it might be implemented.

Would it work?

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

SECOND

Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So here I am, making a simple suggestion that we redirect the military - from pointless, money-wasting adventures overseas, to useful, value-producing work at home.

It seems a modest proposal, and non-partisan, in that neither side has any financial or cultural reason to be more against it than the other.

And SECOND doesn't seem to have anything negative to say about it, because he has done nothing but ignore, mis-direct, misrepresent, and post ad hominems - ie, troll. It looks like he's doing everything BUT address the point.

But I'm curious what other people think.

Set aside your preconceptions about whether or not it might be implemented.

Would it work?

What about doing the exact opposite of what 1kiki suggests? Have you ever heard of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers? www.usace.army.mil/

The Corp does flood control. I would prefer that the Corp receive hundreds of billions of dollars more for flood control in Texas. That's military spending for something useful, unlike more H-bombs or more foreign military adventures or more cruise missiles, more drones or research on building Terminators to replace the Marine Corp and Seal Team 6 and Army Rangers.

Maybe I should theorize why this won't happen? The other 49 states and the District of Columbia do NOT want to spend their tax money on Texas. But all 50 states do want to kill foreigners.

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