Trump withdraws from Iran nuclear deal
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Now, I have never been able to understand Trump's grotch against Iran. Possibly he has information that he can't share, for security reasons. Possibly it's just an emotion-based identification with Israel. Or he just has a short hair up his ass. Maybe it's an attempt to shore up Saudi and the petrodollar, or to interdict Iranian economic activity with ...anyone. "Economic warfare" would certainly be consistent with the current attack on Iran's currency, the rial, and with the recent attempt at
"regime change" as well as external military pressure. Trump supporters are busy squaring the circle, insisting that Trump is only interested in getting the deep state collaborators out of the Iranian government. Conflicting explanations abound!
For whatever reason, Trump has decided not to renew the JCPOA. What are the practical results?
The EU insists it will maintain the agreement. If that's true, then they will be loathe to conduct any business with Iran in the American dollar, or to have assets pass thru American banks. Trade will have to be negotiated in Euros or an alternate like a gold-backed trade note, and thru non-American banks, which will only weaken the role of the American petrodollar further.
Alternately, the EU will abide by American sanctions, which will piss off most European politicians and businesses, and throw Iran even further into the Chinese/ Russian orbit.
It's an interesting topic.
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Quote:JCPOA never was an Agreement. Iran was never a signatory.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, I have never been able to understand Trump's grotch against Iran. Possibly he has information that he can't share, for security reasons. Possibly it's just an emotion-based identification with Israel. Or he just has a short hair up his ass. Maybe it's an attempt to shore up Saudi and the petrodollar, or to interdict Iranian economic activity with ...anyone. "Economic warfare" would certainly be consistent with the current attack on Iran's currency, the rial, and with the recent attempt at
"regime change" as well as external military pressure. Trump supporters are busy squaring the circle, insisting that Trump is only interested in getting the deep state collaborators out of the Iranian government. Conflicting explanations abound!
For whatever reason, Trump has decided not to renew the JCPOA. What are the practical results?
The EU insists it will maintain the agreement. If that's true, then they will be loathe to conduct any business with Iran in the American dollar, or to have assets pass thru American banks. Trade will have to be negotiated in Euros or an alternate like a gold-backed trade note, and thru non-American banks, which will only weaken the role of the American petrodollar further.
Alternately, the EU will abide by American sanctions, which will piss off most European politicians and businesses, and throw Iran even further into the Chinese/ Russian orbit.
It's an interesting topic.
I expect France, Germany, UK will continue to reap massive profits from Iran.
My posts on this subject for the past few days are in the Draining The Swamp thread.
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If I have anything to add I'll post it over there.
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Quote:Here is fine with me. I had not found a thread with the specific topic at the time. This topic might get buried in that one more easily.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I have anything to add I'll post it over there.
I was just saying where some other posts on the topic were located.
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what are they going to do with the 150 billion we sent them?
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Quote:It was their money to begin with, so as long as they're not building nuclear weapons ... who cares? Seems like that's their business, not ours.
are they going to do with the 150 billion we sent them?
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Leaked Doc Reveals White House Planning "Regime Change" In Iran
It appears Rudy Giuliani wasn't joking.
Just a few days after the former NYC mayor and latest member of President Trump's unexpectedly let it slip that "we got a president who is tough, who does not listen to the people who are naysayers, and a president who is committed to regime change [in Iran]", the Washington Free Beacon has obtained a three-page white paper being circulated among National Security Council officials with drafted plans to spark regime change in Iran, following the US exit from the Obama-era nuclear deal and the re-imposition of tough sanctions aimed at toppling the Iranian regime.
The plan, authored by the Security Studies Group, or SSG, a national security think-tank that has close ties to senior White House national security officials, including - who else - National Security Adviser John Bolton, seeks to reshape longstanding American foreign policy toward Iran by emphasizing an explicit policy of regime change, something the Obama administration opposed when popular protests gripped Iran in 2009, writes the Free Beacon, which obtained a leaked copy of the circulating plans.
The regime change plan seeks to fundamentally shift U.S. policy towards Iran and has found a receptive audience in the Trump administration, which has been moving in this direction since Bolton—a longtime and vocal supporter of regime change—entered the White House.
It deemphasizes U.S military intervention, instead focusing on a series of moves to embolden an Iranian population that has increasingly grown angry at the ruling regime for its heavy investments in military adventurism across the region. -Free Beacon
"The ordinary people of Iran are suffering under economic stagnation, while the regime ships its wealth abroad to fight its expansionist wars and to pad the bank accounts of the Mullahs and the IRGC command," SSG writes in the paper. "This has provoked noteworthy protests across the country in recent months" it further claims as an argument to push a "regime change" policy.
For now - at least - overthrowing the Iran government, with its extensive and close ties to the Kremlin, is not official US policy; SSG president Jim Hanson told the Free Beacon that the Trump administration does not want to engage in direct military intervention in Iran - and is instead focusing on other methods of ridding Iran of its "hardline ruling regime."
"The Trump administration has no desire to roll tanks in an effort to directly topple the Iranian regime," Hanson said. "But they would be much happier dealing with a post-Mullah government. That is the most likely path to a nuclear weapons-free and less dangerous Iran."
That will likely change, however.
One source close to the White House who has previewed the plan told the Free Beacon that the nuclear deal, also known as the JCPOA, solidified the Iranian regime's grip on power and intentionally prevented the United States from fomenting regime change
"The JCPOA purposefully destroyed the carefully created global consensus against the Islamic Republic," said the source, who would only speak to the Free Beacon on background about the sensitive issue. "Prior to that, everyone understood the dangers of playing footsie with the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism. It's now Trump, Bolton, and [Mike] Pompeo's job to put this consensus back in place."
The source tells the Beacon that Bolton is "acutely aware of the danger the Iranian regime poses to the region."
"John is someone who understands the danger of Iran viscerally, and knows that you're never going to fundamentally change its behavior—and the threats against Israel and the Saudis especially—until that revolutionary regime is gone," the source said, adding that "nothing's off the table right now if Israel is attacked.&qNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Accelerate their Nuclear Weapons building. Wasn't that the whole purpose of giving them American Taxpayer money?
Originally posted by whozit:
what are they going to do with the 150 billion we sent them?
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Quote:As far as I know, this was IRANIAN money that was being returned to them.
Accelerate their Nuclear Weapons building. Wasn't that the whole purpose of giving them American Taxpayer money?
We froze Iranian assets in 1979, remember?
What, did you think we weren't supposed to return it?
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Here's what's in Iran's $100 billion in assets that will become unfrozen by the nuclear deal
http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-in-irans-100-billion-in-frozen-as
sets-2015-7
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Quote:Do you really believe everything Obama and his stenographers in the MSM spoon-feed you?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:As far as I know, this was IRANIAN money that was being returned to them.
Accelerate their Nuclear Weapons building. Wasn't that the whole purpose of giving them American Taxpayer money?
We froze Iranian assets in 1979, remember?
What, did you think we weren't supposed to return it?Quote:
Here's what's in Iran's $100 billion in assets that will become unfrozen by the nuclear deal
http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-in-irans-100-billion-in-frozen-as
sets-2015-7
The US froze the assets of the U.S. and Israel Ally Kingdom of Iran, so they would not be misappropriated by the coup, in the illegitimate Mullah Fundamentalist Iran. The King (translation: Shah) of Iran has not returned to power, and the funds of the Kingdom have not been claimed by a legitimate successor. The only claimants to the funds have been the illegitimate dictators ushered in by Carter, the anti-American Islamothugs which naturally Obama supported - anybody who hates America.
Obama gave American Taxpayer money to the thieves who stole Iran from its rightful descendants (and have murdered most if them) under the pretense that the thieves have legitimate right to what they stole.
When a civilized nation uncovers Jew gold, do you think it should be rightfully returned to the Nazi Germans who melted down the fillings from the Jew corpses?
Your understanding seems limited, or solely within the context of Hilliary/Obama narrative.
Do you really think the Menendez brothers should inherent the wealth of their parents after murdering them?
Or any criminal should benefit from their crimes?
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