Trump withdraws from Iran nuclear deal

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SIGNYM

Friday, May 11, 2018 12:43 PM

Well. Now, THAT is a different view of things! I need to spend more time asking you about this.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 11, 2018 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well. Now, THAT is a different view of things! I need to spend more time asking you about this.

Countries around the world besides America, plus United Nations, have frozen Iran assets since 1979 following the overthrow of the legitimate and worldwide recognized King of Iran. President Carter acted for America. The estimated total worldwide is 200 Billion. The portion frozen by America is estimated at a little under $2 Billion.

So is Obama proclaiming himself as King of the World again, unilaterally giving the worldwide Assets of the Kingdom to the thugs who executed the Coup?
Or did he give $2 Billion of the Assets of the Kingdom, and threw in an extra $148 Billion of American Taxpayer money to help the Islamothugs reestablish their Nuclear Weapons procurement Program?

I suspect that thread(s) about the plane full of gold on the tarmac likely have more info than me.

1KIKI

Friday, May 11, 2018 2:44 PM

I kinda' think the US isn't picky about giving money to thugs who overthrow, or try to overthrow, elected, recognized governments.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 11, 2018 2:51 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I kinda' think the US isn't picky about giving money to thugs who overthrow, or try to overthrow, elected, recognized governments.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

Does it help your thinking if we spell out for you that America was a bit ticked off about the IRAN HOSTAGES in Tehran in 1979-1980?

1KIKI

Friday, May 11, 2018 2:58 PM

That was then. A lot has happened in the meantime, where former dictator enemies became friends, elected friends became easily deposable enemies, and sometimes the cycle even went a whole 360. The legitimacy of any particular government has really nothing to do with our stance on Iran, or any country, despite your claims.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SIGNYM

Friday, May 11, 2018 7:35 PM

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Well. Now, THAT is a different view of things! I need to spend more time asking you about this. - SIGNY

Countries around the world besides America, plus United Nations, have frozen Iran assets since 1979 following the overthrow of the legitimate and worldwide recognized King of Iran.- JSF

Oh, you mean the "king" of Iran, Shah Reza Pahlavi, who was INSTALLED BY THE CIA when they overthrew the ELECTED leader of Iran, Moassadgh, in 1953?

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Many Iranians regard Mosaddegh as the leading champion of secular democracy and resistance to foreign domination in Iran's modern history. Mosaddegh was removed from power in a coup on 19 August 1953, organised and carried out by the CIA at the request of MI6, which chose Iranian General Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Mosaddegh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh
You mean the Shah who used the (CIA-trained) secret police, Savak, who tortured and killed in such medieval ways as to make the CIA blush? You mean THAT "legitimate" leader of Iran??

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President Carter acted for ~~America~~ the oil companies.

But REAGAN "negotiated" with terrorists. REAGAN (Ollie North) opened secret deals with the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and his henchmen to KEEP Americans hostage until AFTER the election, and sold them arms afterwards, transfering the arms-money to the Contras.

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The estimated total worldwide is 200 Billion. The portion frozen by America is estimated at a little under $2 Billion.

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So is Obama proclaiming himself as King of the World again, unilaterally giving the worldwide Assets of the Kingdom to the thugs who executed the Coup?

Well, it is an interesting point to whom those assets belong. Since DEBT racked up under dictatorships is still payable by a revolutionary nation (unless they can declare it to be "odious debt") I assume ASSETS racked up under a dictatorship belong to a successor nation as well? It's a point of international law that I'm not familiar with and you prolly aren't either.

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Or did he give $2 Billion of the Assets of the Kingdom, and threw in an extra $148 Billion of American Taxpayer money to help the Islamothugs reestablish their Nuclear Weapons procurement Program?

I dunno. Did he? I can't seem to find a reliable statement ANYwhere as to exactly how much $$$ was xfered to the Iranian govt under the JPCOA, and where it came from. Maybe you can find a linky?

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 11, 2018 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Well. Now, THAT is a different view of things! I need to spend more time asking you about this. - SIGNY

Countries around the world besides America, plus United Nations, have frozen Iran assets since 1979 following the overthrow of the legitimate and worldwide recognized King of Iran.- JSF
Oh, you mean the "king" of Iran, Shah Reza Pahlavi, who was INSTALLED BY THE CIA when they overthrew the ELECTED leader of Iran, Moassadgh, in 1953?
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Many Iranians regard Mosaddegh as the leading champion of secular democracy and resistance to foreign domination in Iran's modern history. Mosaddegh was removed from power in a coup on 19 August 1953, organised and carried out by the CIA at the request of MI6, which chose Iranian General Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Mosaddegh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh
You mean the Shah who used the (CIA-trained) secret police, Savak, who tortured and killed in such medieval ways as to make the CIA blush? You mean THAT "legitimate" leader of Iran??

Some of this history goes back farther than I recall well.
Did not the Pahlavi Monarchy rule from July 1926 until overthrow by the exiled Ayatollah in 1979? I think there was a change in Monarchy Lines during a few years of the 1920s.
I don't think there is dispute that Mosaddegh served in numerous different offices under the Pahlavi Monarchy, including the 35th Prime Minister, an elected office (like the British Monarchy allows Elections to occur in some colonies within their Realm). He was 1 of 22 elected Prime Ministers holding office under the last Shah, Shahnashah (King of Kings, reigning 1941-1979), correct?
Are you suggesting the Pahlavi House has been illegitimate since 1926? I don't recall the Pahlavi House aligning with The Axis Powers during that dust-up in the 1930s, so they might have been considered Allied, at least during their Anglo-Soviet occupation.
During the reign of Shahnashah the Anniversary was marked of 2,500 years of continuous Persian Monarchy rule. Apparently his greatest outrage was granting women sufferage, under his umbrella White Revolution, which unduly riled the Fundamentalist Mullahs. Under this House, in 1935 the name was changed from Persia to Iran. The exiled Crown Prince of Iran is reportedly related to the British Royal heirs (maternally thru Egypt, Duchy of Athens and Crown of Aragon, Prince Charles' father is Prince Philip of Greece)

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The estimated total worldwide is 200 Billion. The portion frozen by America is estimated at a little under $2 Billion.

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So is Obama proclaiming himself as King of the World again, unilaterally giving the worldwide Assets of the Kingdom to the thugs who executed the Coup?
Well, it is an interesting point to whom those assets belong. Since DEBT racked up under dictatorships is still payable by a revolutionary nation (unless they can declare it to be "odious debt") I assume ASSETS racked up under a dictatorship belong to a successor nation as well? It's a point of international law that I'm not familiar with and you prolly aren't either.

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Or did he give $2 Billion of the Assets of the Kingdom, and threw in an extra $148 Billion of American Taxpayer money to help the Islamothugs reestablish their Nuclear Weapons procurement Program?
I dunno. Did he? I can't seem to find a reliable statement ANYwhere as to exactly how much $$$ was xfered to the Iranian govt under the JPCOA, and where it came from. Maybe you can find a linky?

I keep forgetting to mention that part of the frozen assets included Real Estate, which did not fit on the same pallets of gold and cash bricks.

I wish to ask your viewpoint here. Do you consider the elected Prime Minister who hangs around London (I don't recall the exact title) to be the reigning authority over the British Monarchy? To be the leader of Scotland and Ireland? Was that PM the supreme autho

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 12, 2018 8:45 AM

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I wish to ask your viewpoint here. Do you consider the elected Prime Minister who hangs around London (I don't recall the exact title) to be the reigning authority over the British Monarchy?

I don't know what you mean by "reigning authority". The Prime Minister of England, along with Parliament, govern the nation. THEY, not the king or queen, set policy, write laws, direct the military, and collect taxes and disburse funds. The British monarchy is a titular office only, with no real authority over the nation. They live in palaces, birth heirs, and wave at the populace.

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To be the leader of Scotland and Ireland? Was that PM the supreme authority over Hong Kong before the turn of the century? The supreme authority over Canada? Or Australia?

Scotland has its own Parliament, as does Wales and Northern Ireland.

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In the United Kingdom, devolution refers to the statutory granting of powers from the Parliament of the United Kingdom to the Scottish Parliament, the National Assembly for Wales, the Northern Ireland Assembly and the London Assembly and to their associated executive bodies the Scottish Government, the Welsh Government, the Northern Ireland Executive and in England, the Greater London Authority and combined authorities.

Australia attained independence in 1900. America, of course, won independence from Britain by revolution.

The FRENCH monarchs lost their heads about 1789.

So you see, monarchs lose authority either by granting it to others, or by revolution.

If you're trying to say that the "real" authority in Iran belonged to the Pahlavi line (which BTW established itself only a short time ago, in 1925, after the PREVIOUS monarchy was deposed by the Parliament of Iran) then I'm afraid you're sticking yourself in the wrong era.

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America is an oligarchy
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1KIKI

Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:06 AM

"Scotland has its own Parliament, as does Wales and Northern Ireland." And as does Canada.

SECOND has managed to not actually discuss my post at all.
But it does certainly snark and troll at every post.
SECOND is a troll.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 14, 2018 8:59 PM

Well, this is getting downright weird.

"Dave" of the X22 Report is right, again. He has been spouting for at least the last month that the Iranian nuclear deal was a joint venture between deep staters in the USA/EU and collaborators in Iran, that the purpose of the deal was (among other things) to transfer money to/ create a slush fund for the collaborators in Iran, and that if the rest of the money is not forthcoming, Iranians will feel free to reveal who those western politicians were on the other end of the deal.

And now, in a tweet from Iraq (which has close ties to Iran) ...

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Raman Ghavami @Raman_Ghavami
H.J.Ansari Zarif’s senior advisor: “If Europeans stop trading with Iran and don’t put pressure on US then we will reveal which western politicians and how much money they had received during nuclear negotiations to make #IranDeal happen.”
That would be interesting.#JCPOA

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No wonder Kerry is in a panic trying to salvage deal. Obama and rest of BenRhodesian crew must be on list too. I want to know how many network CEOs got captured. #ABC #CBS #CNN #AMJoy #inners #AMR
— omen (@omen_syria) May 12, 2018

Really?

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/grab-the-popcorn-iran-threatened-to-name-po
liticians-who-took-bribes-to-pass-nuclear-deal/?utm_source=realjack&utm_medium=twitter

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