Are you going to boycott "SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY"

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WISHIMAY

Monday, May 7, 2018 9:53 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Supporting unfairness and unfetterred inequality does not become you.

Really? Sitting around and whining about what online groups do "became" what you and Jack and Rappy are about a long time ago.

Just what is it you see as "unfettered inequality"? Specifically.
Not relating to whatever happened to Wind River, I could care less. It's just a movie.

What about SJW's do you see as promoting "inequality"???

GWEK

Monday, May 7, 2018 9:24 PM

Soooo.... anyway....

I'm not going to be boycotting SOLO because I think it's generally silly to boycott a movie in most cases.

I get that some folks feel that "new" Star Wars is not "their" Star Wars, and that's just fine. No need to make a thing of it; just don't see it, and shut up.

Personally, I consider the Original Trilogy "my" Star Wars, so I imagine I may well share some features with the folks calling for the boycott, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying (at least somewhat) later movies.

Heck, I LIKE the Prequel Trilogy! Sure, it's not as good as the Original Trilogy, but it's still Star Wars and it's still lots of fun. Jar Jar Binks annoyed me, but I'm grown-up enough to understand that Jar Jar (and some of the other ridiculousness) isn't supposed to be there for me. That's for the kiddies. I remember seeing Episode I on opening day and you could feel the shoulders of all the adults tense whenever Jar Jar was onscreen. But the children laughed out loud. The children, and my friend, Dan... whatever that says about Dan. Different strokes, right?

I'm not a fan of the Sequel Trilogy but a lot of that has to do with J.J. Abrams. I love is TV work, but his movies generally leave me cold, and Episode 7 was no different. Episode 8 feels like it was Rian Johnson saying he didn't like Episode 7 either and doing everything he could to undercut it. That left me with really, really mixed feelings about the movie - but those mixed feelings didn't prevent me from seeing it three time (and, ultimately, enjoying some parts of it more each time, even if I think the movie as a whole is a bit of a miss).

Rogue One stands on it's own (so far) as an amazing piece of work post-OT, simultaneously both the best Star Wars movie in decades and the worst Star Wars movie ever to be made (the latter in that it's actually, empirically, not a good movie at all if you haven't seen the other movies: it's SO dependent on A New Hope that it cannot stand on it's own as a separate work).

And, regardless of what I think of recent Star Wars movies, as a Firefly fan, how can I possibly NOT give this movie a chance? Looks to me a lot like Han, Lando and the rest aim to misbehave.

So, yeah, I'll be there for SOLO opening night, and likely later in the weekend, too.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, May 8, 2018 2:23 AM

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Originally posted by GWEK:

And, regardless of what I think of recent Star Wars movies, as a Firefly fan, how can I possibly NOT give this movie a chance? Looks to me a lot like Han, Lando and the rest aim to misbehave.

That's the only part that has my attention. Firefly was basically Han Solo: The Early Years. I want to like it, but I'm going to wait and see what the second or third groups of reviewers say, yanno, the ones NOT paid for it.
And it's already going to be a letdown for me, just because Ford was so good at the part, I don't see how anyone could really sell it for me.

GWEK

Tuesday, May 8, 2018 6:35 PM

My level of respect for Ford has dropped through the years, so, much as I love his Solo, I'm open to giving someone else a shot.

Having said that, I do expect Solo to be the weakest link in SOLO - which wouldn't really be a surprise.

It's not uncommon in sci fi or action movies for the main character to be among the weakest. Luke Skywalker in the Original Trilogy, Anakin Skywalker in the Prequels, Rey and Finn in the Sequels, even Jyn Erso in ROGUE ONE... these are among the most bland characters in their respective movies. The "right hand man," however, is often the most entertaining, because they get to be close to the heart of the story without having to carry the narrative weight of it on their shoulders. Among my friends, I call it the Han Solo effect - and live in fear of a Black Widow movie (Black Widow being the Han Solo of the MCU).

So, I think Han Solo himself will fall to The Han Solo effect, and that the best parts of SOLO may center around Lando, Chewie, or even Beckett and Qi'ra.

I'll let you know a few Fridays from now. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:55 AM

It has been a while since I was available for a midnight showing of a Star Wars opening. And now they show at 7pm instead of midnight.

But I might be available on midnight the 23rd if there is a showing then.
I recall the midnight opening of Episode II, in the largest cinema theater in the State (they were required to upgrade their sound system before being allowed to show it), only one balcony. Absolutely packed, and most were in costume. The place went wild with Yoda's lightsaber duel.

And I did appreciate the casting of Urban and Pegg in Trek reboot.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, May 14, 2018 6:25 PM

I didn't hear of any Boycott against Wind River. Was it supposed to be a controversial film? What reason was given for a called Boycott?, and What group made the call to Boycott Wind River? Any articles on the matter?

SGG

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I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.

Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, May 14, 2018 8:07 PM

Ahhhh, the Boycott! The rabid Star Wars fans calling to boycott Solo and, as I understand it, affect the box office expectations of $170M domestic take for the 4-day weekend. The idea being that if it's a flop at the box office, that somehow Disney will fire Kathleen Kennedy (one of the two-headed monster behind the somewhat less than stellar treatment of our hero Luke Skywalker. Rian Johnson being the other).

I get it. Death by association. Horrible box office, that would be followed by a Hollywood beheading. Of course this after Kennedy is called before the Disney-Jedi Council for the ceremonial guillotine party. Don't think it would work, but I get the misguided logic behind the thought. I get that fans are angry that their hero was ceremoniously kick in the balls for the sake of introducing new characters. At least that's what Kennedy, Disney and Johnson would have you believe. After watching Episode 8, The Last Jedi, I left the theater somewhat in a daze. What the fuck did I just see?

Luke Skywalker, my hero, the man who brought back his father from the brink of doom, gloom and despair (otherwise known as the Dark Side) and redeemed him. He brought his father "Vader" back to the light. The biblical meaning of Luke or Lucas means "bringer of light." That this man, who, as a teenaged boy, risked his life to save his father, would then contemplate "cold-blooded murder" - no matter what he saw in his vision - is beyond ludicrous. Darth Vader was an iconic baddie and a major protagonist of evil in the history of film. Kylo Ren, as episode 8 would show, desperately wanted to be like him. Fat Chance! As MC Hammer would say, "You can't touch this!"

Granted, there were some truly inspired moments in TLJ, but too few and far in between. My favorite was R2-D2 replaying the Leia Hologram message to Obi Wan, when Luke entered the cockpit of the Falcon. It is THE iconic beginning of the "hero's journey" in THE iconic movie that started it all. A powerful movie image of a true Hollywood hero in the grand scope of sci-fi fantasy epics.

"Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope." Classic.

But then missing was Luke mourning the loss of his friend Han. The story of TLJ was uneven, inspired in some scenes and flat out dumb in other scenes. Luke drinking green milk from that "sea cow" was uninspired and fell flat on it's face.

So, to get back to the boycott. You have this uneven story and rather misguided treatment of an iconic hero, throw in some dead end scenes to a gambler's planet, and viola.....instant hate from die-hard fans of the franchise. So, how do "we" get back at these brainless meat popsicles? Many have said that Johnson and Kennedy created a giant "fuck you" to Abrams and the fans, so they thought..."Why not boycott?" They thought, "let's give that 'fuck you' right back to them."

Now, I'm of the mind - much like you EC - I like Ron Howard as a filmmaker. I'm an Star Wars O.G. from 1977 (when the phrase "blockbuster" meant something). In that summer, I waited on a line outside the movie theater to purchase my ticket. Then I waited on a ticket holders line to get into the theater (man I feel old, but that was a special time back then). What a rush! I want to see the origin story of one of the heroes of Star Wars. I especially want to see Glover as Lando, the Falcon and the chemistry between Han and Chewie. Doesn't hurt that the Mother of Dragons will be on hand as well. Harrelson, Newton, etc. Not a bad cast.

I really thought that Johnson was the right call to helm The Last Jedi. I was impressed with Looper (an inventive sci-fi thriller with a good story). But even the great Christopher Nolan could have a "bad day" at the movies. No one is immune to the "box office bomb." But my question is: What does Solo have to do with the failure of TLJ? Would I like to see Kennedy get the "boot" or, at

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I didn't hear of any Boycott against Wind River. Was it supposed to be a controversial film? What reason was given for a called Boycott?, and What group made the call to Boycott Wind River? Any articles on the matter?

SGG

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Originally posted by whozit:
I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.

Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.

After the film was completed, it was shown, I think at Sundance. Distributors lobbied to help get it theaters. One of them was a guy named Weinstein.
Come Awards season, it seemed almost universally lamented that WR would not be nominated because of ME TOO.

I had hoped that sense and integrity would prevail, but that is a different crowd.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:07 PM

"Equalists"?

I think the word you're struggling for is Egalitarian, Princess.

Today's Feminism is not about Egalitarianism. It's about subjugation. Read a book.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:59 AM

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It's about subjugation. Read a book.

That's hilarious coming from someone who probably hasn't picked up anything in print since Jr High and thinks Youtube is high philosophy.

And even more ridiculous from an idiot who thinks women didn't have it all that bad for the whole of humanity and that there isn't a pay gap based on your extremely limited life experience on the subject.

Truly hope your niece grows up and calls you out on your stupidity. Maybe it'll make sense when it's personal. Until then, there's nothing can be done for you.

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