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Monday, April 30, 2018 6:16 AM
Any evidence? Something based in the real world meant to be seen by rational minds?
Oh, that's right. All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Monday, April 30, 2018 9:02 AM
Quote:"No Collusion!" Trump exclaims. "Believe Me!" It is his verbal tic.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Any evidence? Something based in the real world meant to be seen by rational minds?
Oh, that's right. All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
In the 1990s, when his real estate/casino empire went bust and he desperately needed cash to stay afloat—which no American bank would lend him, knowing his creditworthiness — Trump apparently went to less conventional lenders to make good on his enormous losses. By the end of the 1990s, the Trump Organization was again in the black, though nobody officially can explain how, based on public records. Here Trump’s associations with less-than-upstanding biznismen from the former Soviet Union seem to have played a dubious role.
Suspicion lingers that in the 1990s the Trump Organization, which failed as a legitimate business, reinvented itself as a money-washing machine for Eastern organized crime. There’s evidence that this is precisely what happened, and it’s been hiding in plain sight for nearly two decades. The Treasury Department’s $10 million fine levied in 2015 on the now-defunct Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City for pervasive violations of the Bank Secrecy Act gives hints that there’s a lot of unraveling being done by Team Mueller as it gets to the bottom of what the Trump Organization really is.
http://observer.com/2018/04/mueller-investigating-trumps-ties-to-russi
a-is-watergate-for-morons/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Monday, April 30, 2018 12:13 PM
All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
BTW - I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I read your posts.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Monday, April 30, 2018 1:38 PM
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
BTW - I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I read your posts.
Well the upside is that somewhere in SECOND's endless grotch-fest he completely gave up on pretending to be "for the people"; he now openly despises us and refers to us as "peasants". So at least we've been spared that hypocrisy.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
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Friday, May 4, 2018 2:41 AM
Quote:If you want to know how the peasants make their decisions, there is "4 political science lessons from Kanye West’s embrace of Donald Trump"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
BTW - I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I read your posts.
Well the upside is that somewhere in SECOND's endless grotch-fest he completely gave up on pretending to be "for the people"; he now openly despises us and refers to us as "peasants". So at least we've been spared that hypocrisy.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/3/17311906/kanye-west-donald-tr
ump-political-science
". . . normal people do not exhibit this same level of coherent and well-organized belief systems." No kidding.
If you want to know how Trump makes his decisions, there is "US policy is driven by Trump’s cover-ups"
www.vox.com/2018/5/3/17314586/trump-stormy-daniels-blackmail-tweet
A report in Wednesday’s New York Times detailed the fact that the Ukrainian government decided to cut off all cooperation with special counsel Robert Mueller in a (successful) effort to secure Javelin anti-tank missiles from the American government.
Or at least that’s how you would characterize the story if you think sending Javelins to Ukraine is good policy. An alternate reading, if you’re more skeptical of arming Ukraine on the merits, would be that the Ukrainians used the prospect of cooperation with Mueller to shake down the president and get him to cough up the Javelins.
Of course it’s very possible there was no explicit quid pro quo at all. It was simply well-known that the Ukrainians wanted Trump to reverse himself on the missiles and that Trump wanted the Ukrainians to reverse themselves on cooperation with Mueller, and one way or another, the deal came together.
This is the very same Trump who, a few weeks ago, canceled sanctions on Russia that his administration had already announced — just the latest in a long string of poorly explained situations in which the president, personally, seems worried about angering Moscow in a way that his broader team is not. One big, obvious problem here is that Trump has lied over and over again about the extent of his campaign’s contacts with emissaries from the Russian government. And while this is something Trump has been interested in concealing from the public, it’s not something he can conceal from the Russians themselves. Whatever happened, they know about it and Trump knows they know; that gives them leverage over him.
More about Blackmailing Trump at:
www.vox.com/2018/5/3/17314586/trump-stormy-daniels-blackmail-tweet
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, May 4, 2018 3:04 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
BTW - I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I read your posts.
Well the upside is that somewhere in SECOND's endless grotch-fest he completely gave up on pretending to be "for the people"; he now openly despises us and refers to us as "peasants". So at least we've been spared that hypocrisy.
I'm beginning to think that Trump is bad for his business.
It's obvious how much disdain he has for the 99%ers, so it would seem that his only true political motivations would be for his own bottom line.
At least, that is, if you actually believe anything he types in here from his Texas Republican mom's basement.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, May 4, 2018 4:13 AM
Quote:You didn't read that article about Kanye West loving Trump, did you? "The reality is that real people are more like West, driven by gut-level emotional reactions to events and group-loyalty dynamics, rather than issues or coherent ideology."
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I'm beginning to think that Trump is bad for his business.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
All you have are speculation and innuendo. Plus OCD. Let's not forget the OCD.
BTW - I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I read your posts.
Well the upside is that somewhere in SECOND's endless grotch-fest he completely gave up on pretending to be "for the people"; he now openly despises us and refers to us as "peasants". So at least we've been spared that hypocrisy.
It's obvious how much disdain he has for the 99%ers, so it would seem that his only true political motivations would be for his own bottom line.
At least, that is, if you actually believe anything he types in here from his Texas Republican mom's basement.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The reality is that people end up in the bottom 50% of the financial hierarchy because they are using the same inadequate mental shortcuts for money decisions as they use for political decisions on who to vote for.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/3/17311906/kanye-west-donald-tr
ump-political-science
I should expand on those mental shortcuts. Trump said he would bomb the shit out of ISIS. That really impressed Texas Republicans favorably, but certainly not me because I remember the bombing of Vietnam by the B-52s. That's one of my mental shortcuts to decide who not to vote for. Politicians who are cavalier about "Collateral Damage" aren't to be trusted. I also don't trust politicians or businessmen that don't ever describe in detail how they will reach their goals. Most people don't want to know the details, which is why they get gypped on contracts and by politicians.
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Friday, May 4, 2018 4:32 AM
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Originally posted by second:
I also don't trust politicians or businessmen that don't ever describe in detail how they will reach their goals.
Oh good. That means you don't trust any politicians.
At least we have some common ground.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, May 4, 2018 4:53 AM
Quote:Wrong, 6ix. I can tell there is a world of difference between the endless bullshitting of Trump plus the Republican Congressmen versus ordinary Democratic Congressmen trying to sincerely explain without bullshitting.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I also don't trust politicians or businessmen that don't ever describe in detail how they will reach their goals.
Oh good. That means you don't trust any politicians.
At least we have some common ground.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
People who aren't interested in details conclude that every politician lies, which is a wrong-headed way to understand the difference between the two parties. In business and politics, people who don't care about details get screwed. Most people are screwed on all deals because they won't read through the contracts before signing and instead take the saleman's word. They take the politician's word before voting, too, and they are bitter when his word is no good. There are ways to decide that don't require you to believe whatever Trump says, but guys like Trump who say "believe me" and "no collusion" all day long are depending on you to not check what they are saying.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, May 4, 2018 5:41 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Wrong, 6ix. I can tell there is a world of difference between the endless bullshitting of Trump plus the Republican Congressmen versus ordinary Democratic Congressmen trying to sincerely explain without bullshitting.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I also don't trust politicians or businessmen that don't ever describe in detail how they will reach their goals.
Oh good. That means you don't trust any politicians.
At least we have some common ground.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
People who aren't interested in details conclude that every politician lies, which is a wrong-headed way to understand the difference between the two parties. In business and politics, people who don't care about details get screwed. Most people are screwed on all deals because they won't read through the contracts before signing and instead take the saleman's word. They take the politician's word before voting, too, and they are bitter when his word is no good. There are ways to decide that don't require you to believe whatever Trump says, but guys like Trump who say "believe me" and "no collusion" all day long are depending on you to not check what they are saying.
Everything you do and everything you say is based on your political affiliation.
You remind me of my grandma with her religion.
You're no less part of the Cult of Democrats than JSF is part of the Cult of Republicans. It makes as much sense to discuss anything regarding politics with either of you as it does discussing religion with my grandma.
The truth, if there even is any, lies somewhere in the middle. You two certainly are never going to find it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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