And you thought OUR election was fun!!
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, December 5, 2004 01:07
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
So of course, I've wasted my time explaining basic reality yet again.
And this also points out that most of the posters here are trolls, not me Connerflynn. The fact that people feel the need to post link after link of usless info as if that's proof of some kind - that's trolling.
And guess what, you are the troll here.
I don't think you did it on purpose, your just doing what everyone else does here.
No matter how many times myself or one of the other few reasonable people here have been shown to be correct (about Saddam, WMDs, torture victems, Fallujah) you people still insist on trolling us.
Tired of being badgered by people who really should learn the difference between a troll and someone who actually give a rats ass.
Dude..the very first thing you do when you post on this board is slam someone. Almost every single one of your posts calls someone a derogatory name or insults them in a childish fashion. Your whole purpose for existence on this board is to antagonize and stir people up. That is a Prime example of a troll. I'm not the first person to state the same about you. Nothing you have posted thus far has been constructive or insightful. It's all a bunch malignant hooey.
It's very difficult to take you seriously, because you just come across as abrasive and troll-like. With folks like Signym or Signamunki who share different political beliefs in some respects (personally I don't think we are that far apart really), I may not agree with everything they say, and may even get into heated discussion, but ultimately..I feel we do seem to share some constructive information and to some degree hold a decent discussion. I can't say the same about discussions with you. You premise everything with a disturbing comment, just take a look at the titles of your posts.
Some of my posts may become heated. However, I also try to post intelligently ,with sources where applicable.
If you're tired of people calling you a troll, then stop being one. It's simple as that.
lol! I always create my own threads! And the last few weeks I've been roundly and consistantly attacked in all the threads I created. And you turn around and call me a troll?
You are typical.
And I just lost all respect for you.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
It's funny that Ukrainians didn't accept a stolen election while Americans rolled over.
The exit polls, in both elections, show how lop-sided the final "fixed" votes were. What happens in the USA? ... nothing. In the Ukraine, the people demand thier nation be democratic.
Americans are a fearful people. A scared people.
So come on down and protest in front of the White House. Save us from ourselves, Ghoul.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
People who protest in the USA get gassed then spend a week in jail, a record stipulating you are not to protest ever again, and fined.
Besides, the White House could give a shit if the entire world was against them. Oh, and the entire world is against them... and America.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by Connorflynn:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
So of course, I've wasted my time explaining basic reality yet again.
And this also points out that most of the posters here are trolls, not me Connerflynn. The fact that people feel the need to post link after link of usless info as if that's proof of some kind - that's trolling.
And guess what, you are the troll here.
I don't think you did it on purpose, your just doing what everyone else does here.
No matter how many times myself or one of the other few reasonable people here have been shown to be correct (about Saddam, WMDs, torture victems, Fallujah) you people still insist on trolling us.
Tired of being badgered by people who really should learn the difference between a troll and someone who actually give a rats ass.
Dude..the very first thing you do when you post on this board is slam someone. Almost every single one of your posts calls someone a derogatory name or insults them in a childish fashion. Your whole purpose for existence on this board is to antagonize and stir people up. That is a Prime example of a troll. I'm not the first person to state the same about you. Nothing you have posted thus far has been constructive or insightful. It's all a bunch malignant hooey.
It's very difficult to take you seriously, because you just come across as abrasive and troll-like. With folks like Signym or Signamunki who share different political beliefs in some respects (personally I don't think we are that far apart really), I may not agree with everything they say, and may even get into heated discussion, but ultimately..I feel we do seem to share some constructive information and to some degree hold a decent discussion. I can't say the same about discussions with you. You premise everything with a disturbing comment, just take a look at the titles of your posts.
Some of my posts may become heated. However, I also try to post intelligently ,with sources where applicable.
If you're tired of people calling you a troll, then stop being one. It's simple as that.
lol! I always create my own threads! And the last few weeks I've been roundly and consistantly attacked in all the threads I created. And you turn around and call me a troll?
You are typical.
And I just lost all respect for you.
Every single one of your "Topics" has been nothing but derogatory, hateful, antagonistic, immature malignant hooey Sir Troll. As for whether you respect me or not ROFLMAO. Here's a quarter, call someone who gives a damn
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
lol! I always create my own threads! And the last few weeks I've been roundly and consistantly attacked in all the threads I created. And you turn around and call me a troll?
Funny. I could swear I started this thread.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Funny. I could swear I started this thread.
Oh so funny!
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
Every single one of your "Topics" has been nothing but derogatory, hateful, antagonistic, immature malignant hooey Sir Troll. As for whether you respect me or not ROFLMAO. Here's a quarter, call someone who gives a damn
I tried to be nice to ya Connerflynn but you and the rest have consistantly shown yourselves to be the very worst sort. So bad, in fact, you are all coming together to troll everyone you don't like off this BBS.
That's how people like you are, you don't like someones opinion so you attack the person.
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Well, both the US and the EU are taking a firm stance regarding the Ukraine elections. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out. The only roadblock I see arising is Russia and their influence.
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Here is one source for the USA exit poll v tabulation controversy. They had this to say about our election and compared our vote to Ukraine's:
"Exit poll data is considered so robust that when the sitting government counted the votes and announced that its own slate of candidates had won, supporters of the opposition stormed the Parliament, and the president, Eduard A. Shevardnadze, resigned his office under pressure from the United States and Russia.
Contrast that event with what happened in the United States in the recent national election when in three battle ground states, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, with data based on exit polls predicted an outcome in variance with the tallied vote outcomes. Major news organizations, including CNN changed their exit poll data to conform with the tallied outcomes{in scientific parlance it's called fudging the numbers- Signy} most of which came from paperless, electronic voting equipment. In each case the tallied outcomes favored the incumbent, George W. Bush.The odds for such an occurrence is one in 250 million for this to have occurred by chance. [1]Professor Freeman’s analyses of the data are compelling for a number of reasons. First, he was able to sample 2004 exit poll data that was not meant to be released directly to the public and was available through a computer glitch that allowed him to view “uncalibrated data that had not yet been corrected to conform to the announced counted vote tallies. These data remained on the CNN website until approximately 1:30 a.m. election night. At that time CNN substituted data ‘corrected’ to conform to reported tallies.” (1, p. 3). Second, uncorrected exit poll data have been secreted in a black box and AP, Edison Media Research, Mitofsky International and the New York Times have ignored all requests for the raw {exit poll} data. In an open democratic system or any scientific inquiry the data would be open to inspection. The fact that it is not adds to the suspicion that widespread fraud occurred in vote tallies in the battleground states."
So it appears that part of the story is correct- the discrepancy bewteen our exit polls and vote tallies should be alerting us to the fact that something was wrong with our vote and that the major media are colluding to cover it up.
www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/111704DeHart/111704dehart.html
As far as CNN, Fox, CBS, etc. wanting to "catch" the President- The reporters may have a liberal bias. But the media CEOs and Boards have been promised almost unlimited room for consolidation by Bush thru FCC rule changes. Now, who do you think will win...???
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From another thread, a link to the orginal paper by Professor Freeman, and his bona fides:
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Anyway, I did find this file about the recent election by Steven Freeman PhD:
http://truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf
Before it gets categorized as just another whack-job manifesto, I did look up his bona fides on the internet:
http://www.getcited.org/mbrz/11068805
http://center.grad.upenn.edu/center/nav.cgi?page=freeman
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Yes, it will be interesting to see how Russia reacts. I was surprised that the USA is taking a stand on this, what with GWB having looked into Putin's eyes and seeing a man he could trust. Bush has a lot of reasons to want Russia's cooperation, the least of which is that they should be able to cooperate with (or at least not sabotage) each other's fights with Islamicists. Russia could make Iraq very, very difficult for us. I think Putin was quoted as saying "Iraq could be your Afghanistan." Now if that isn't a statment with multiple meanins, I don't know what is!
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