Unemployment Rate Facts
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Sure.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's not readable here. You should probably link the source table, or create a google spreadsheet with the data.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
You find a source with all the relevent data, or create your spreadsheet, and then post it.
I'm not doing your work for you.
I'm also not debating your numbers until you can provide them in a readable format.
As far as I'm concerned, until you do either, you're just making those numbers up.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Are the figures in the split tables of last evening, around 8pm, in a readable format for you? If not, what is not readable? Are the rows word-wrapped?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Sure.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's not readable here. You should probably link the source table, or create a google spreadsheet with the data.
You find a source with all the relevent data, or create your spreadsheet, and then post it.
I'm not doing your work for you.
I'm also not debating your numbers until you can provide them in a readable format.
As far as I'm concerned, until you do either, you're just making those numbers up.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are the figures in the split tables of last evening, around 8pm, in a readable format for you? If not, what is not readable? Are the rows word-wrapped?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Sure.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's not readable here. You should probably link the source table, or create a google spreadsheet with the data.
You find a source with all the relevent data, or create your spreadsheet, and then post it.
I'm not doing your work for you.
I'm also not debating your numbers until you can provide them in a readable format.
As far as I'm concerned, until you do either, you're just making those numbers up.
The rows are word wrapped. The column headers are longer than the columns in some instances, and not as long as the columns in other instances. The column headers are abbreviated and aren't always easy to figure out what they're for. Individual data is broken up by only a single space which also makes it almost impossible to read when you're talking about 400-500 points of data, especially when some rows have data with a different amount of total characters in each "cell" than another row.
Forums are not the place for this type of raw data to be displayed. I could be wrong about this, but even if FFF.NET was using cutting edge forum technology I don't believe that it would display graphs properly either.
Sorry man. I just get a headache looking at this. I'm pretty sure that you're looking at exactly what I'm looking at. I'm not sure how you think that's readable.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:OK. I'm not getting a word wrap, or else I would know what you see.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:The rows are word wrapped. The column headers are longer than the columns in some instances, and not as long as the columns in other instances. The column headers are abbreviated and aren't always easy to figure out what they're for. Individual data is broken up by only a single space which also makes it almost impossible to read when you're talking about 400-500 points of data, especially when some rows have data with a different amount of total characters in each "cell" than another row.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are the figures in the split tables of last evening, around 8pm, in a readable format for you? If not, what is not readable? Are the rows word-wrapped?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I'm not doing your work for you.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Sure.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's not readable here. You should probably link the source table, or create a google spreadsheet with the data.
You find a source with all the relevent data, or create your spreadsheet, and then post it.
I'm also not debating your numbers until you can provide them in a readable format.
As far as I'm concerned, until you do either, you're just making those numbers up.
Forums are not the place for this type of raw data to be displayed. I could be wrong about this, but even if FFF.NET was using cutting edge forum technology I don't believe that it would display graphs properly either.
Sorry man. I just get a headache looking at this. I'm pretty sure that you're looking at exactly what I'm looking at. I'm not sure how you think that's readable.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Can you tell me, for instance, which header word is where the wrap starts for you?
Thanks for your help.
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Adding to this Table of Data, which seems to best show the components of U6:
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I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real.
The BLS uses both Seasonally Adjusted figures and Unadjusted figures, and interchanges them without clearly identifying so. For example, the current Rate of 4.1% (for 4 months straight) is SeasAdj, and the real Rate is 4.5% for Jan 2018. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency.
Some numbers may have a 0 placed as first digit, to maintain column form in this format.
The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate.
The 3rd column is what is called Marginally Attached to the Labor Force, which is included in the Want A Job Now category but NOT included in the Labor Force category and therefore excluded from the reported Unemployment category. The 5th column is the sum of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached - which more accurately represents the Actual Unemployed. The 6th column is the Rate for column 5 figure.
The 7th column is the Involuntary Part-Time workers, who are Not Employed Full Time due to poor Economy, and want, are able to work FT. The 8th column is the sum of the 5th column plus 7th column. 9th column is the Rate for column 8 figure.
The 10th column is the Civilian Population. 11th column is Labor Force, 12th column is Participation Rate. 13th column is the published U-6 figure.
Figures in thousands.
Mo/Yr Unemp Pcnt MrgAt Pcnt SubTtl Prcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Percnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6%
Jan94 09492 07.3% 2120 1.6% 11612 09.0% 4963 3.8% 16575 12.8% 195953 129393 66.0
Jan95 08101 06.2% 1783 1.4% 09884 07.6% 4620 3.5% 14504 11.1% 197753 130698 66.1
Jan96 08270 06.3% 1737 1.3% 10007 07.6% 4103 3.1% 14110 10.7% 199634 131396 65.8 10.8
Jan97 07933 05.9% 1615 1.2% 09548 07.1% 4338 3.2% 13886 10.3% 202285 134317 66.4 10.4
Jan98 07069 05.2% 1479 1.1% 08548 06.3% 4090 3.0% 12638 09.3% 204238 135951 66.6 09.3
Jan99 06604 04.8% 1358 1.0% 07962 05.8% 3645 2.6% 11607 08.4% 206719 137943 66.7 08.5
Jan00 06316 04.5% 1197 0.9% 07513 05.4% 3355 2.4% 10868 07.8% 208782 139621 66.9 07.8
Jan01 06647 04.7% 1290 0.9% 07937 05.6% 3559 2.5% 11496 08.2% 210889 141049 66.9 08.1
Jan02 08935 06.3% 1509 1.1% 10444 07.4% 4249 3.0% 14693 10.4% 213089 141074 66.2 10.5
Jan02 09051 06.3% 1532 1.1% 10583 07.4% 4453 3.1% 15036 10.5% 216506 143228 66.2 10.5
Jan03 09395 06.5% 1598 1.1% 10993 07.6% 5003 3.4% 15996 11.0% 219897 145301 66.1 11.0
Jan04 09144 06.3% 1670 1.1% 10814 07.4% 5152 3.5% 15966 10.9% 222161 146068 65.7 10.9
Jan05 08444 05.7% 1804 1.2% 10248 07.0% 4793 3.3% 15041 10.2% 224837 147125 65.4 10.2
Jan06 07608 05.1% 1644 1.1% 09252 06.2% 4513 3.0% 13765 09.2% 227553 149090 65.5 09.2
Jan07 07649 05.0% 1577 1.0% 09226 06.1% 4620 3.0% 13846 09.1% 230650 151924 65.9 09.1
Jan08 08221 05.4% 1729 1.1% 09950 06.5% 5235 3.4% 15185 09.9% 232616 152828 65.7 09.9
Jan09 13009 08.5% 2130 1.4% 15139 09.9% 8675 5.6% 23814 15.5% 234739 153445 65.4 15.4
Jan10 16147 10.6% 2539 1.6% 18686 12.2% 9161 6.0% 27847 18.2% 236832 152957 64.6 18.0
Jan11 14937 09.8% 2800 1.8% 17737 11.6% 9027 5.9% 26764 17.5% 238704 152536 63.9 17.3
Jan12 13541 08.8% 2809 1.9% 16350 10.7% 8747 5.7% 25097 16.4% 242269 153485 63.4 16.2
Jan13 13181 08.5% 2443 1.6% 15624 10.1% 8506 5.5% 24130 15.6% 244663 154794 63.3 15.4
Jan14 10855 07.0% 2592 1.7% 13447 08.7% 7617 4.9% 21064 13.6% 246915 154381 62.5 13.5
Jan15 09498 06.1% 2234 1.4% 11732 07.5% 7125 4.6% 18857 12.1% 249723 156050 62.5 12.0
Jan16 08309 05.3% 2089 1.3% 10398 06.6% 6234 4.0% 16632 10.6% 252397 157347 62.3 10.5
Jan17 08149 05.1% 1752 1.1% 09901 06.2% 6127 3.9% 16028 10.1% 254082 158676 62.5 10.1
Jan18 07189 04.5% 1653 1.0% 08842 05.5% 5380 3.4% 14222 08.9% 256780 160037 62.3 0
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:OK. I'm not getting a word wrap, or else I would know what you see.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:The rows are word wrapped. The column headers are longer than the columns in some instances, and not as long as the columns in other instances. The column headers are abbreviated and aren't always easy to figure out what they're for. Individual data is broken up by only a single space which also makes it almost impossible to read when you're talking about 400-500 points of data, especially when some rows have data with a different amount of total characters in each "cell" than another row.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are the figures in the split tables of last evening, around 8pm, in a readable format for you? If not, what is not readable? Are the rows word-wrapped?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I'm not doing your work for you.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Sure.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's not readable here. You should probably link the source table, or create a google spreadsheet with the data.
You find a source with all the relevent data, or create your spreadsheet, and then post it.
I'm also not debating your numbers until you can provide them in a readable format.
As far as I'm concerned, until you do either, you're just making those numbers up.
Forums are not the place for this type of raw data to be displayed. I could be wrong about this, but even if FFF.NET was using cutting edge forum technology I don't believe that it would display graphs properly either.
Sorry man. I just get a headache looking at this. I'm pretty sure that you're looking at exactly what I'm looking at. I'm not sure how you think that's readable.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Can you tell me, for instance, which header word is where the wrap starts for you?
Thanks for your help.
Just taking a random line from your post, here's what I'm looking at:
Jan02 09051 06.3% 4938 3.4% 13989 09.8% 4453 3.1% 18442 12.9% 216506 143228 66.2 10.5
The last figure of that line is 216506.
So the wrapped part of the line is "143228 66.2 10.5"
On my screen that line reads as follows:
Jan02 09051 06.3% 4938 3.4% 13989 09.8% 4453 3.1% 18442 12.9% 216506
143228 66.2 10.5
Every line looks like this, so you can imagine how difficult it would be to try to match any of this data up to the Column Headers.
In fact, the column header now looks like this to me:
Mo/Yr Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Prcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Percnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc%
U-6%
With the "U-6%" on the second line.
It should be noted that this entire post looks different than it did before you asked the question. I don't believe it was in bold before. I'm sure that adding it in bold only increases the amount that shows up on the second line, but even when it wasn't bold this data never fit on one line per row.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Thanks for the info. I will try to make adjustments, but not tonight.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Just taking a random line from your post, here's what I'm looking at:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:OK. I'm not getting a word wrap, or else I would know what you see.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:The rows are word wrapped. The column headers are longer than the columns in some instances, and not as long as the columns in other instances. The column headers are abbreviated and aren't always easy to figure out what they're for. Individual data is broken up by only a single space which also makes it almost impossible to read when you're talking about 400-500 points of data, especially when some rows have data with a different amount of total characters in each "cell" than another row.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Are the figures in the split tables of last evening, around 8pm, in a readable format for you? If not, what is not readable? Are the rows word-wrapped?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm also not debating your numbers until you can provide them in a readable format.
As far as I'm concerned, until you do either, you're just making those numbers up.
Forums are not the place for this type of raw data to be displayed. I could be wrong about this, but even if FFF.NET was using cutting edge forum technology I don't believe that it would display graphs properly either.
Sorry man. I just get a headache looking at this. I'm pretty sure that you're looking at exactly what I'm looking at. I'm not sure how you think that's readable.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Can you tell me, for instance, which header word is where the wrap starts for you?
Thanks for your help.
Jan02 09051 06.3% 4938 3.4% 13989 09.8% 4453 3.1% 18442 12.9% 216506 143228 66.2 10.5
The last figure of that line is 216506.
So the wrapped part of the line is "143228 66.2 10.5"
On my screen that line reads as follows:
Jan02 09051 06.3% 4938 3.4% 13989 09.8% 4453 3.1% 18442 12.9% 216506
143228 66.2 10.5
Every line looks like this, so you can imagine how difficult it would be to try to match any of this data up to the Column Headers.
In fact, the column header now looks like this to me:
Mo/Yr Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Prcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Percnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc%
U-6%
With the "U-6%" on the second line.
It should be noted that this entire post looks different than it did before you asked the question. I don't believe it was in bold before. I'm sure that adding it in bold only increases the amount that shows up on the second line, but even when it wasn't bold this data never fit on one line per row.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So the 2 Split Tables are also both still word-wrapping for you?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Thanks for the info. I will try to make adjustments, but not tonight.
So the 2 Split Tables are also both still word-wrapping for you?
No problem.
The last post you made with table data is not word wrapping.
That's not to say that it's easy to read, because it still isn't on a forum, but at least the word wrapping isn't getting in the way on that post.
EDIT:
My mistake. Two lines are still wrapping. The last column wraps on these two lines:
Feb2018 07091 04.4% 1602 1.0% 08693 05.4% 5241 3.2% 13934 08.6% 256934 161494 62.9 08.6
Mar2018 06671 04.1% 1454 0.9% 08125 05.0% 4975 3.1% 13100 08.1% 257097 161548 62.8 08.1
It looks like there is the same amount of characters in the lines, but I think that "Feb" and "Mar" might just be slightly larger than "Jan".
I wonder if you can change to a mono-spaced font in here with a tag? I'm not sure what one would be good though. "Courier New" is mono-spaced, but it's rather wide and you'd be wrapping the rows for sure if you used it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I wish this site had Courier New, my life would be so much easier.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:No problem.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Thanks for the info. I will try to make adjustments, but not tonight.
So the 2 Split Tables are also both still word-wrapping for you?
The last post you made with table data is not word wrapping.
That's not to say that it's easy to read, because it still isn't on a forum, but at least the word wrapping isn't getting in the way on that post.
EDIT:
My mistake. Two lines are still wrapping. The last column wraps on these two lines:
Feb2018 07091 04.4% 1602 1.0% 08693 05.4% 5241 3.2% 13934 08.6% 256934 161494 62.9 08.6
Mar2018 06671 04.1% 1454 0.9% 08125 05.0% 4975 3.1% 13100 08.1% 257097 161548 62.8 08.1
It looks like there is the same amount of characters in the lines, but I think that "Feb" and "Mar" might just be slightly larger than "Jan".
I wonder if you can change to a mono-spaced font in here with a tag? I'm not sure what one would be good though. "Courier New" is mono-spaced, but it's rather wide and you'd be wrapping the rows for sure if you used it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Are those 2 lines still wrapping now?
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The data in my Tables regarding Unemployment Rates are compiled from the BLS Reports.
Here is a link to the Reports, you may dig for and confirm/verify any data you choose:
https://www.bls.gov/bls/news-release/home.htm
The reports provide the current data, plus the data from the report 12 months prior. Except from Jan 2002, where the data from that report and previous years are not compatible or adjusted to mesh with the Jan 2003 report of Jan 2002 data plus all later reports.
The Unemployed count and associated Unemployment Rate are found in Table A-1 of each report. The Rate is defined as the count divided by the Civilian Labor Force.
The Want A Job data is found sometimes in Table A-1 or in a later Table of the A series, depending upon which year of the report. The percentage is the count divided by Civilian Labor Force.
The Marginally Attached data is, with various descriptions, in one of the A-series Tables, the specific location changing depending upon which year of the report. The percentage is the count divided by Civilian Labor Force.
The Subtotal is the first 2 data columns summed, and then the percent is after division by Civilian Labor Force.
Involuntary Part-Time is listed, with various descriptions, in one of the later A-series Tables, differing dependant upon the year of the report. The percentage is the count divided by Civilian Labor Force.
The total is the sum of the Subtotal and InvPT. Division by Civilian Labor Force produces the percent.
The Civilian uninstitutional Population, the Civilian Labor Force, and the Labor Participation Rate are located in Table A-1 of each report. The Participation Rate is defined as Civilian Labor Force divided by Civilian uninstitutional Population. The Labor Force is defined as Employed plus Unemployed.
The U-6 figure is usually found in one of the middle or later A-series Tables. The figure published does not always seem to match what the proclaimed definition produces.
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