Unemployment Rate Facts
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
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Quote:If the Bureau of Labor Statistics depended on W-2 forms that businesses send to the Internal Revenue Service only once per year and quarterly income tax withholding, their numbers wouldn't be any good for a monthly estimation. Also the Bureau does not want an estimate based on who is avoiding paying any income tax at all. And the Bureau wants more information that the IRS will never receive. There is a news release from the Bureau giving charts & tables full of numbers. Two answers to some questions about the tables www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf :
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Do you agree with Second's assessment that they get the data by calling 110,000 households per month?
If you do, I'll ask you a simple question.
Why do you suppose they would do that when they've already proven themselves perfectly capable of figuring how much money everyone was making, whether they were employed or self employed, back in the days when they gave us our social security reports that detailed exactly how much money we made every year, how much we paid into social security, and how much we would get per month depending on which age we decided to retire?
They already have that data, presented it to us on a yearly basis using actual MATH, and have been able to compile it for decades. Why waste what must be millions or even 10's of millions of dollars per year doing something as unscientific as random robo-calls on a very small percentage of citizens if they already had nearly 100% of the data just because of our income taxes and social security payments?
My answer is, because they can just make up anything they want to when there is no actual math being used.
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6. Is the count of unemployed persons limited to just those people receiving unemployment insurance benefits?
No; the estimate of unemployment is based on a monthly sample survey of households. All persons who are without jobs and are actively seeking and available to work are included among the unemployed. (People on temporary layoff are included even if they do not actively seek work.) There is no requirement or question relating to unemployment insurance benefits in the monthly survey.
7. Does the official unemployment rate exclude people who want a job but are not currently looking for work?
Yes; however, there are separate estimates of persons outside the labor force who want a job, including those who are not currently looking because they believe no jobs are available (discouraged workers). In addition, alternative measures of labor underutilization (some of which include discouraged workers and other groups not officially counted as unemployed) are published each month in table A-15 of The Employment Situation news release. For more information about these alternative measures, please visit www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm#altmeasures
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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BLS uses at least 2 channels of data collection. One is the household sampling. Another is institutional, which is largely automated, and is provided by employers and the like. During a Government Shutdown the household data collection is suspended but the institutional data continues to roll in.
There are statistical methods for corralling accurate figures from gathered information. When Obama fraudulently manipulated the data in 2012 to miraculously and suddenly lower the reported Unemployment Rates before Election Day, he then allowed the data to return to unmolested levels.
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Quote:I am looking at the XLS file, and I can’t see the Obama conspiracy you see.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When Obama fraudulently manipulated the data in 2012 to miraculously and suddenly lower the reported Unemployment Rates before Election Day, he then allowed the data to return to unmolested levels.
If you got something, show me, JewelStaiteFan. Going from 7.8% to 7.7% to 7.9% around the election is not showing me Obama "molesting" the data.
xls file: https://goo.gl/cUv5zQ
2012-06-01 8.2 134026
2012-07-01 8.2 134182
2012-08-01 8.1 134355
2012-09-01 7.8 134549
2012-10-01 7.8 134702
2012-11-01 7.7 134832
2012-12-01 7.9 135075
2013-01-01 8.0 135282
2013-02-01 7.7 135547
2013-03-01 7.5 135703
2013-04-01 7.6 135882
2013-05-01 7.5 136122
2013-06-01 7.5 136280
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
If the Bureau of Labor Statistics depended on W-2 forms that businesses send to the Internal Revenue Service only once per year and quarterly income tax withholding, their numbers wouldn't be any good for a monthly estimation.
I thought of that after I made the post, and I figured you'd bring it up.
Fair enough. But they should use it once per year to prove that their monthly rates are bullshit.
Bullshit polls and manipulated facts can't stand up to actual math.
This would be the reason they don't even bother checking the data they already have and comparing it against their robo-calls. One single year of doing so would blow the lid off the whole corrupt deal.
Bottom line, the proof is in how our two parties handle unemployment. Whoever is in power says the numbers are great. Whoever is not in power says the numbers are not honest. Pay attention in 3 or 7 years when the pendulum swings the other way and remember this conversation.
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I used a different computer today and saw the table I made was disjointed, perhaps what 6ix was talking about.
So I am reposting the table here, broken into 2 parts.
BLS does a horrendous job of identifying and defining their stats. Second was helpful above by linking to a different page that provided definition, which the raw data table did not. So BLS currently defines the Want A Job category as not being part of the Labor Force.
I have re-done the first post with this new information.
The numbers are called Unemployment figures, and those are regularly redefined. At one time Active Duty Military Personnel were classified as unemployed. Obama's BLS has worked diligently to obfuscate the dismal performance of Obamanomics.
So I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real.
The BLS uses both Seasonally Adjusted figures and Unadjusted figures, and interchanges them without clearly identifying so. For example, the current Rate of 4.1% (for 4 months straight) is SeasAdj, and the real Rate is 4.5% for Jan 2018. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency.
Some numbers may have a 0 placed as first digit, to maintain column form in this format.
The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate.
The 3rd column is what is called the Want A Job Now category but is NOT included in the Labor Force category and therefore excluded from the reported Unemployment category. The 5th column is the sum of Unemployed plus Want A Job - which more accurately represents the Actual Unemployed. The 6th column is the Rate for column 5 figure.
The 7th column is the Involuntary Part-Time workers, who are Not Employed Full Time due to poor Economy, and want, are able to work FT. The 8th column is the sum of the 5th column plus 7th column. 9th column is the Rate for column 8 figure.
The 10th column is the Civilian Population. 11th column is Labor Force, 12th column is Participation Rate.
Figures in thousands.
Mo/Year Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Prcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Percnt
Jan2008 08221 05.4% 4977 3.2% 13198 08.6% 5235 3.5% 18433 12.1%
Jan2009 13009 08.5% 5866 3.8% 18875 12.3% 8675 5.7% 27550 18.0%
Jan2010 16147 10.6% 6108 4.0% 22255 14.6% 9161 5.9% 31416 20.5%
Jan2011 14937 09.8% 6643 4.3% 21580 14.1% 9027 6.0% 30607 20.1%
Jan2012 13541 08.8% 6495 4.3% 20036 13.1% 8747 5.7% 28783 18.8%
Jan2013 13181 08.5% 6781 4.4% 19962 12.9% 8506 5.5% 28468 18.4%
Jan2014 10855 07.0% 6508 4.2% 17363 11.2% 7617 5.0% 24980 16.2%
Jan2015 09498 06.1% 6467 4.1% 15965 10.2% 7125 4.6% 23090 14.8%
Jan2016 08309 05.3% 6166 3.9% 14475 09.2% 6234 4.0% 20709 13.2%
Jan2017 08149 05.1% 5934 3.8% 14083 08.9% 6127 3.8% 20210 12.7%
Jan2018 07189 04.5% 5364 3.3% 12553 07.8% 5380 3.4% 17933 11.2%
Jul 2012 13400 08.6% 6837 4.3% 20237 12.9% 8218 5.3% 28455 18.2%
Aug2012 12696 08.2% 7631 4.9% 20327 13.1% 7723 5.0% 28050 18.1%
Sep2012 11742 07.6% 6427 4.1% 18169 11.7% 8003 5.2% 26172 16.9%
Oct2012 11741 07.5% 6142 4.0% 17883 11.5% 7768 5.0% 25651 16.5%
Nov2012 11404 07.4% 6495 4.2% 17899 11.6% 7898 5.0% 25797 16.6%
Mo/Year Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt Total Percnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc%
Jan2008 08221 05.4% 4977 3.2% 18433 12.1% 232616 152828 65.7
Jan2009 13009 08.5% 5866 3.8% 27550 18.0% 234739 153445 65.4
Jan2010 16147 10.6% 6108 4.0% 31416 20.5% 236832 152957 64.6
Jan2011 14937 09.8% 6643 4.3% 30607 20.1% 238704 152536 63.9
Jan2012 13541 08.8% 6495 4.3% 28783 18.8% 242269 153485 63.4
Jan2013 13181 08.5% 6781 4.4% 28468 18.4% 244663 154794 63.3
Jan2014 10855 07.0% 6508 4.2% 24980 16.2% 246915 154381 62.5
Jan2015 09498 06.1% 6467 4.1% 23090 14.8% 249723 156050 62.5
Jan2016 08309 05.3% 6166 3.9% 20709 13.2% 252397 157347 62.3
Jan2017 08149 05.1% 5934 3.8% 20210 12.7% 254082 158676 62.5
Jan2018 07189 04.5% 5364 3.3% 179
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Quote:I'm not sure how gullible you might be trying to be, or if you're trying to ignore the data.
Originally posted by second:Quote:I am looking at the XLS file, and I can’t see the Obama conspiracy you see.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When Obama fraudulently manipulated the data in 2012 to miraculously and suddenly lower the reported Unemployment Rates before Election Day, he then allowed the data to return to unmolested levels.
If you got something, show me, JewelStaiteFan. Going from 7.8% to 7.7% to 7.9% around the election is not showing me Obama "molesting" the data.
xls file: https://goo.gl/cUv5zQ
2012-06-01 8.2 134026
2012-07-01 8.2 134182
2012-08-01 8.1 134355
2012-09-01 7.8 134549
2012-10-01 7.8 134702
2012-11-01 7.7 134832
2012-12-01 7.9 135075
2013-01-01 8.0 135282
2013-02-01 7.7 135547
2013-03-01 7.5 135703
2013-04-01 7.6 135882
2013-05-01 7.5 136122
2013-06-01 7.5 136280
In 2012 Obama knows no incumbent President since FDR has won re-election with Unemployment at 8% or higher, so he must have Unemployment reported to be below this by October 2012 - which will be published in early November before Election Day.
Comparing Jan 2012 and 2013 with other Jan data shows CivPop, Labor Force, Unemployment count and Rate, and Involuntary Part-Time to be in adequate alignment and trend, and these are all data components compiled from institutional reports.
The first half of 2012 the numbers are not heading where Obama needs them fast enough. So in Aug, Sep, Oct the figures suddenly and miraculously become what Obama needs. Then the figures return to reality in following months.
We see in August that the pretense of Unemployment Rate at 75% of what it was a couple years before is undermined by the fact that the Want A Job count is the highest it has ever been, which it has never been above 7 Million. This is how they present the illusion of the worst ever Want A Job count equaling a 25% drop in the Official Unemployment.
Mo/Year Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Prcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Percnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc%
Jan2008 08221 05.4% 4977 3.2% 13198 08.6% 5235 3.5% 18433 12.1% 232616 152828 65.7
Jan2009 13009 08.5% 5866 3.8% 18875 12.3% 8675 5.7% 27550 18.0% 234739 153445 65.4
Jan2010 16147 10.6% 6108 4.0% 22255 14.6% 9161 5.9% 31416 20.5% 236832 152957 64.6
Jan2011 14937 09.8% 6643 4.3% 21580 14.1% 9027 6.0% 30607 20.1% 238704 152536 63.9
Jan2012 13541 08.8% 6495 4.3% 20036 13.1% 8747 5.7% 28783 18.8% 242269 153485 63.4
Jul 2012 13400 08.6% 6837 4.3% 20237 12.9% 8218 5.3% 28455 18.2% 243354 156526 64.3
Aug2012 12696 08.2% 7631 4.9% 20327 13.1% 7723 5.0% 28050 18.1% 243566 155255 63.7
Sep2012 11742 07.6% 6427 4.1% 18169 11.7% 8003 5.2% 26172 16.9% 243772 155075 63.6
Oct2012 11741 07.5% 6142 4.0% 17883 11.5% 7768 5.0% 25651 16.5% 243983 155779 63.8
Nov2012 11404 07.4% 6495 4.2% 17899 11.6% 7898 5.0% 25797 16.6% 244174 154953 63.5
Jan2013 13181 08.5% 6781 4.4% 19962 12.9% 8506 5.5% 28468 18.4% 244663 153794 63.3
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Lets remember SECOND. We are dealing with people who live in the world of conspiracies. They can't function without one. Once they've found one to latch onto, to rage about, they cannot be swayed. Even when the proof is irrefutable.
Like the fact that the numbers show the truth. Obama is responsible for delivering a better economy so far than Trump. Even when Obama inherited a much much worse economy. It's very sad...
T 
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lol... every post you make in here is about a conspiracy T.
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Updated with today's report:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
BLS currently defines the Want A Job category as not being part of the Labor Force.
So I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real.
I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency.
Mo/Yr Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Prcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Percnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U-6%
Jan08 08221 05.4% 4977 3.2% 13198 08.6% 5235 3.5% 18433 12.1% 232616 152828 65.7 09.9
Jan09 13009 08.5% 5866 3.8% 18875 12.3% 8675 5.7% 27550 18.0% 234739 153445 65.4 15.4
Jan10 16147 10.6% 6108 4.0% 22255 14.6% 9161 5.9% 31416 20.5% 236832 152957 64.6 18.0
Jan11 14937 09.8% 6643 4.3% 21580 14.1% 9027 6.0% 30607 20.1% 238704 152536 63.9 17.3
Jan12 13541 08.8% 6495 4.3% 20036 13.1% 8747 5.7% 28783 18.8% 242269 153485 63.4 16.2
Jan13 13181 08.5% 6781 4.4% 19962 12.9% 8506 5.5% 28468 18.4% 244663 154794 63.3 15.4
Jan14 10855 07.0% 6508 4.2% 17363 11.2% 7617 5.0% 24980 16.2% 246915 154381 62.5 13.5
Jan15 09498 06.1% 6467 4.1% 15965 10.2% 7125 4.6% 23090 14.8% 249723 156050 62.5 12.0
Jan16 08309 05.3% 6166 3.9% 14475 09.2% 6234 4.0% 20709 13.2% 252397 157347 62.3 10.5
Jan17 08149 05.1% 5934 3.8% 14083 08.9% 6127 3.8% 20210 12.7% 254082 158676 62.5 10.1
Jan18 07189 04.5% 5364 3.3% 12553 07.8% 5380 3.4% 17933 11.2% 256780 160037 62.3 08.9
Feb18 07091 04.4% 5152 3.2% 12243 07.6% 5241 3.2% 17484 10.8% 256934 161494 62.9 08.6
Jul 12 13400 08.6% 6837 4.3% 20237 12.9% 8218 5.3% 28455 18.2% 243354 156526 64.3 15.2
Aug12 12696 08.2% 7631 4.9% 20327 13.1% 7723 5.0% 28050 18.1% 243566 155255 63.7 14.6
Sep12 11742 07.6% 6427 4.1% 18169 11.7% 8003 5.2% 26172 16.9% 243772 155075 63.6 14.2
Oct12 11741 07.5% 6142 4.0% 17883 11.5% 7768 5.0% 25651 16.5% 243983 155779 63.8 13.9
Nov12 11404 07.4% 6495 4.2% 17899 11.6% 7898 5.0% 25797 16.6% 244174 154953 63.5 13.9
Quote:
The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated.
The Unemployment Rate after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Want A Job category, which Obamanomics managed to increase to over 7 Million for the only time in the BLS tables. This Jan figure (Want A Job) didn't return to within 0.1% of 2008 level until 2018, after Trump's first year.
The figure of Unemployed plus Want A Job is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure.
The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year.
The Want A Job count maxxed out in Aug 2012, just as Obama was proclaiming that Unemployment Rates had dropped, which he needed to get below 8.0% by October, in order to win re-election.
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Unemployment/Underemployment hasn't been under 8% since at least 2000.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198
Quote:
The real unemployment rate (U-6) is a broader definition of unemployment than the official unemployment rate (U-3). In February 2018, it remained at 8.2 percent.
The U-3 is the rate most often reported in the media. In the U-3 rate, the Bureau of Labor Statistics only counts people without jobs who are in the labor force. To remain in the labor force, they must have looked for a job in the last four weeks.
The U-6, or real unemployment rate, includes the underemployed, the marginally attached, and discouraged workers. For that reason, it is almost double the U-3 report.
EDIT: My bad... according to this table, it's been over 8% since 2002.
Year---(U3)-----(U6)---(U3/U6)--(Comments)
1994 6.6% 11.8% 56% The first year BLS reported U6
1995 5.6% 10.2% 55%
1996 5.6% 9.8% 57%
1997 5.3% 9.4% 56%
1998 4.6% 8.4% 55%
1999 4.3% 7.7% 56%
2000 4.0% (Record Low) 7.1% 56% Stock market crashed in March
2001 4.2% 7.3% 58%
2002 5.7% 9.5% 60% U3 closest to U6
2003 5.8% 10.0% 58%
2004 5.7% 9.9% 58%
2005 5.3% 9.3% 57%
2006 4.7% 8.4% 56%
2007 4.6% 8.4% 55%
2008 5.0% 9.2% 54%
2009 7.8% 14.2% 55% High of 10.2% in Oct
2010 9.8% 16.7% 59%
2011 9.1% 16.2% 56%
2012 8.3% 15.2% 55%
2013 8.0% 14.5% 55%
2014 6.6% 12.7% 52%
2015 5.7% 11.3% 50%
2016 4.9% 9.9% 49% Both return to pre-recession levels
2017 4.8% 9.4% 51%
2018 4.4% 8.2% 50%
Man... fff.net is terrible at showing tables.
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The point is to make sure you compare apples to apples. If you say the government is lying during a recession, then you've got to make the same argument when times are good.
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