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Quote:JewelStaiteFan, you are one fucking idiot, for posterity:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Another ridiculous post quoted for posterity.
Originally posted by second:
The Republicans’ $1.5 trillion tax cut will increase the federal debt by $1.9 trillion.
This comes from Table B-3 in the Congressional Budget Office report, page 129, so far in the back that no one reads it. The exact figure is $1.854 trillion from 2018 to 2028. That number was promised by Trump to be zero dollars or even a negative number.
www.cbo.gov/publication/53651
In other words, the tax cut doesn’t pay for itself. It doesn’t even partially pay for itself.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/04/cbo-projects-1-5-trillion-tax-c
ut-will-cost-1-6-trillion/
Sen. Bob Corker says the GOP tax law may be one of his ‘worst votes’ if new report is correct
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/12/sen-bob-corker-says-the
-gop-tax-law-may-be-one-of-his-worst-votes-if-new-report-is-correct/?utm_term=.3c6bc887f79e
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) is expressing alarm about new projections of the Republican tax law's effect on the national deficit, saying that if they prove true, he may have made a mistake supporting the bill.
The latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office are similar to other estimates that were available to Corker both when he voted for the final version of the bill and when he voted against an earlier version because of its effect on the deficit.
“If it ends up costing what has been laid out here, it could well be one of the worst votes I’ve made,” Corker said at a hearing of the Senate Budget Committee on Wednesday, in comments first reported by The Hill's Niv Elis. He added in an interview with The Washington Post: “If this is accurate, obviously it’s a terrible vote.”
Earlier this week, the CBO said the new tax law would cost the United States $1.8 trillion over the next decade, in part because of its significant reduction in the tax rate paid by corporations. When factoring in extra growth created by the tax overhaul, the law is projected to cost at least $1.3 trillion, the analysis showed.
The Joint Committee on Taxation (JTC), Congress’s official scorekeeper, estimated in December that the tax law would cost $1.4 trillion over 10 years, or about $1 trillion when accounting for the effects of higher growth. The nonpartisan agency also said in late November that the tax plan would increase the deficit by $1.4 trillion, or by a little more than $1 trillion when accounting for additional growth. (CBO's new number is slightly higher partly because stronger economic growth since last fall suggests that the federal government is missing more revenue than it would have otherwise received.)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Trump is calling backsies on exiting the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/12/17230058/trump-trans-pacific
-partnership-trade-deal-renegotiate
Trump has directed his economic advisers to look into renegotiating the US back into TPP.
President Donald Trump, who called the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal a “disaster” and pulled the United States out of the agreement in his first action as president, wants back in.
Trump has directed Larry Kudlow, his new top economic adviser, and US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to look into negotiating the US’s reentry into the TPP, Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Ben Sasse (R-NE) told reporters.
It’s a truly shocking reversal from Trump on one of his signature campaign promises.
Truly funny - anyone surprised? He gave it away when he said he was for doing the opposite.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump is calling backsies on exiting the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/12/17230058/trump-trans-pacific
-partnership-trade-deal-renegotiate
Trump has directed his economic advisers to look into renegotiating the US back into TPP.
President Donald Trump, who called the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal a “disaster” and pulled the United States out of the agreement in his first action as president, wants back in.
Trump has directed Larry Kudlow, his new top economic adviser, and US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to look into negotiating the US’s reentry into the TPP, Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Ben Sasse (R-NE) told reporters.
It’s a truly shocking reversal from Trump on one of his signature campaign promises.
Truly funny - anyone surprised? He gave it away when he said he was for doing the opposite.
Thank God for that. It's a start.
JJ
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How can you be a fan of TPP? I can understand why Democratic politicians are, because politicians are liars and don't care about the people anymore than Republican politicians do in general, but as a citizen who happens to be a Democrat, how do you support it?
A reversal on this will be devastating to Trump's reelection chances. If that's the reason why you support it though, that is just sad.
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Here’s one easy way to identify the distorted priorities of the TPP: the term “climate change” isn’t so much as mentioned once in all 30 chapters.
There’s a lot of talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership because after years of absurd secrecy, the text of the deal was finally released in November 2015. Now, if Congress approves this deal, the TPP can trump common-sense protections for workers, the environment, public health, food safety and much more. It is a deal that strengthens the power of corporations and weakens our democratic institutions by putting global commerce ahead of the public.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/24/wtf-tpp
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"In a series of broken promises Trump made to the working people of this country, rejoining the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership would be the biggest yet," warned Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) also weighed in, calling Trump's move "a ridiculous reversal and a slap in the face to the hard-working Americans Trump promised to fight for."
Negotiated under a veil of strictly-enforced secrecy by the Obama administration and so-called trade advisory committees stocked with corporate representatives, the TPP was never really even about establishing conditions for "free trade," as numerous analysts have noted.
Rather, as The Intercept's Zaid Jilani argued, the pact is primarily aimed at "protecting corporate profits" by "crafting regulatory regimes that benefit certain industries."
The deal—which was signed in March by 11 Asia-Pacific nations amid fierce grassroots opposition—is particularly generous to Big Pharma, as it "expands monopoly protections and patents for various pharmaceutical drugs," Jilani observed.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/12/confirming-he-does-not-gi
ve-crap-about-working-people-trump-proposes-rejoining-tpp
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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This is a familiar GOP complaint about the Deep State:
After his first appearance in federal court, former U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman told reporters he had been targeted for speaking out against the Internal Revenue Service and was a victim of the “deep state” that allegedly exists within federal agencies.
Stockman — a political maverick once viewed as a champion of right-wing causes — was convicted Thursday of masterminding a wide-ranging fraud scheme that diverted $1.25 million in charitable donations from wealthy conservative philanthropists to cover personal expenses and campaign debts.
The jury found Stockman guilty on 23 counts of mail and wire fraud, conspiracy, making false statements to the Federal Election Commission, money laundering and filing a false tax return.
Stockman’s three defense lawyers argued at trial that their client did not intentionally commit fraud. (It's all a big misunderstanding of our client's intentions.)
The verdict drew a quick response from the Harris County Republican Party, which noted that Stockman represented his constituents “with genuine care and concern.”
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Jury-delib
erating-in-ex-Congressman-Steve-12830632.php
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How can you be a fan of TPP? I can understand why Democratic politicians are, because politicians are liars and don't care about the people anymore than Republican politicians do in general, but as a citizen who happens to be a Democrat, how do you support it?
A reversal on this will be devastating to Trump's reelection chances. If that's the reason why you support it though, that is just sad.Quote:
Here’s one easy way to identify the distorted priorities of the TPP: the term “climate change” isn’t so much as mentioned once in all 30 chapters.
There’s a lot of talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership because after years of absurd secrecy, the text of the deal was finally released in November 2015. Now, if Congress approves this deal, the TPP can trump common-sense protections for workers, the environment, public health, food safety and much more. It is a deal that strengthens the power of corporations and weakens our democratic institutions by putting global commerce ahead of the public.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/24/wtf-tppQuote:
"In a series of broken promises Trump made to the working people of this country, rejoining the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership would be the biggest yet," warned Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) also weighed in, calling Trump's move "a ridiculous reversal and a slap in the face to the hard-working Americans Trump promised to fight for."
Negotiated under a veil of strictly-enforced secrecy by the Obama administration and so-called trade advisory committees stocked with corporate representatives, the TPP was never really even about establishing conditions for "free trade," as numerous analysts have noted.
Rather, as The Intercept's Zaid Jilani argued, the pact is primarily aimed at "protecting corporate profits" by "crafting regulatory regimes that benefit certain industries."
The deal—which was signed in March by 11 Asia-Pacific nations amid fierce grassroots opposition—is particularly generous to Big Pharma, as it "expands monopoly protections and patents for various pharmaceutical drugs," Jilani observed.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/12/confirming-he-does-not-gi
ve-crap-about-working-people-trump-proposes-rejoining-tpp
A. Who are you talking to?
B. Who said they were a fan of TPP?
C. How can anyone be a fan of Trump?
I'm a huge fan of Trump showing he's a brainless ass in public, especially on issues some Trump supporters hung their vote on. He's a lying sack of sh*t - when will Chump supporters wake up? He's ridden and abused them like a rented mule. It's one of the great political ironies of the last century that the base that keeps him in power is made up of the very people he's abused the most and done the least for. He could give a sh*t about any of them. I think there's a certain cruel, beautiful justice in that.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How can you be a fan of TPP? I can understand why Democratic politicians are, because politicians are liars and don't care about the people anymore than Republican politicians do in general, but as a citizen who happens to be a Democrat, how do you support it?
A reversal on this will be devastating to Trump's reelection chances. If that's the reason why you support it though, that is just sad.Quote:
Here’s one easy way to identify the distorted priorities of the TPP: the term “climate change” isn’t so much as mentioned once in all 30 chapters.
There’s a lot of talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership because after years of absurd secrecy, the text of the deal was finally released in November 2015. Now, if Congress approves this deal, the TPP can trump common-sense protections for workers, the environment, public health, food safety and much more. It is a deal that strengthens the power of corporations and weakens our democratic institutions by putting global commerce ahead of the public.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/24/wtf-tppQuote:
"In a series of broken promises Trump made to the working people of this country, rejoining the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership would be the biggest yet," warned Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) also weighed in, calling Trump's move "a ridiculous reversal and a slap in the face to the hard-working Americans Trump promised to fight for."
Negotiated under a veil of strictly-enforced secrecy by the Obama administration and so-called trade advisory committees stocked with corporate representatives, the TPP was never really even about establishing conditions for "free trade," as numerous analysts have noted.
Rather, as The Intercept's Zaid Jilani argued, the pact is primarily aimed at "protecting corporate profits" by "crafting regulatory regimes that benefit certain industries."
The deal—which was signed in March by 11 Asia-Pacific nations amid fierce grassroots opposition—is particularly generous to Big Pharma, as it "expands monopoly protections and patents for various pharmaceutical drugs," Jilani observed.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/12/confirming-he-does-not-gi
ve-crap-about-working-people-trump-proposes-rejoining-tpp
A. Who are you talking to?
B. Who said they were a fan of TPP?
T (or JJ), apparently, who gave this reply when you mentioned it:
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Originally posted by JJ:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Truly funny - anyone surprised? He gave it away when he said he was for doing the opposite.
Thank God for that. It's a start.
JJ
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C. How can anyone be a fan of Trump?
I certainly won't be if he pushes this through. This is what Obama and Clinton wanted, and a huge reason I was voting against her.
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I'm a huge fan of Trump showing he's a brainless ass in public, especially on issues some Trump supporters hung their vote on. He's a lying sack of sh*t - when will Chump supporters wake up? He's ridden and abused them like a rented mule. It's one of the great political ironies of the last century that the base that keeps him in power is made up of the very people he's abused the most and done the least for. He could give a sh*t about any of them. I think there's a certain cruel, beautiful justice in that.
The TPP would have already happened long ago under Clinton. There is no justice for anybody if this goes through now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Hillary flip-flopped on TPP. In 2015 she declared that: "I appreciate the hard work that President Obama and his team put into this process and recognize the strides they made. But the bar here is very high and, based on what I have seen, I don't believe this agreement has met it."
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The TPP would have already happened long ago under Clinton. There is no justice for anybody if this goes through now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It’s up to voters to decide how they feel about her changed stance on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, but we rate Clinton’s reversal as a Full Flop.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinto
n/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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That was her stance 3 years ago. That's a long time ago.
Are you saying that in 2018 she opposes it? That would be awfully convenient to say now.
I think that this just points to the bigger picture that America is just fucked. It doesn't matter who we vote in, this stuff is going to happen regardless.
Whoever the opposition to the status-quo is can just pretend that they're against it and let the existing politicians be the ones to push it through.
They're all liars. Every single one of them. And if Trump puts this through I'm officially done with him too.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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