March for Our Lives - A Powerful Message

POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 17:36
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SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:37 AM

I sat and watched as teens and younger kids walked up to the microphones and spoke strongly and eloquently about the impact gun violence has had on their lives.

It reminded me of the 70s and how young and old alike protested the war in Vietnam. But this was something different, something so special that stirred my emotions and girded my resolve. It moved me in a unique way, it made me proud, and I couldn't figure out exactly why. Then it hit me, gone was the feeling of utter frustration, of inevitability. These kids have realized that the only way to be heard is to shout. Shout from the rooftops, speak truth no matter what.

And speak it they did. Their truth. Not the adults version of the truth, but their reality. They are intelligent and cannot be intimidated. Wow, I said to myself, this is NO BULLSHIT, these kids mean business. In little over a month, they have captured lightning in a bottle, but unlike any lightning I or anyone could have imagined. In that short period of time they have moved the needle ever so slightly, an earthquake of social change.

I sat and watched an 11 year-old black girl call out the nation's media and their failure to report on the loss of lives in the black community. I was floored by her stalwart demeanor, her calmness, her resolve to get her message across without so much as a quiver in her voice. She even paused to allow for applause. Media savy at that age is remarkable. And so, here I am, remarking on her presentation before hundreds of thousands in our nation's capital. Bravo, I say Bravo!

Her name is Naomi Wadler. I will never forget her name, because we will be hearing from her in the near future. And really, that's what this was all about.

Proud of you my dear.

SGG

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:57 AM

There was also Emma Gonzalez.....again Wow!

So too did Delaney Tarr.........

And Edna Chavez........

All were quite impressive, but thses kids stood out to me.

SGG

BRENDA

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:33 PM

It is good to see. These young people give me hope for the US.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 1:53 PM

Was this Truancy scam a more successful Voter Registration Drive for Democraps than the Motor Voter Legislation?

Was Naomi from Chicago? Or does she not care about more Black Lives being snuffed out in a Windy City weekend than the whole year at Stoneman Douglas? Both of which, BTW, are strictly anti-gun. Does she not care about Black Lives, or is she merely brainwashed?

I am shocked, just shocked I say, that the Libtard Media Prep & Training Machine was able to train these monkeys in only 1,000 hours - as if they've been training with this template for years!! Oh, wait - they actually have been practicing this training for years.

Is this child training campaign more successful than the kids against tobacco?

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 3:48 PM

Yes, this country is in good hands. Thank God!

Pretty soon the old farts who talk so much shit will be gone, 6 Feet under, the Big Dirt Nap, Adios! Then maybe we could get back to the future.

There's Hope!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
It is good to see. These young people give me hope for the US.

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 3:56 PM

We say NO MORE!!!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Was this Truancy scam a more successful Voter Registration Drive for Democraps than the Motor Voter Legislation?

Was Naomi from Chicago? Or does she not care about more Black Lives being snuffed out in a Windy City weekend than the whole year at Stoneman Douglas? Both of which, BTW, are strictly anti-gun. Does she not care about Black Lives, or is she merely brainwashed?

I am shocked, just shocked I say, that the Libtard Media Prep & Training Machine was able to train these monkeys in only 1,000 hours - as if they've been training with this template for years!! Oh, wait - they actually have been practicing this training for years.

Is this child training campaign more successful than the kids against tobacco?

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I sat and watched as teens and younger kids walked up to the microphones and spoke strongly and eloquently about the impact gun violence has had on their lives.

It reminded me of the 70s and how young and old alike protested the war in Vietnam. But this was something different, something so special that stirred my emotions and girded my resolve. It moved me in a unique way, it made me proud, and I couldn't figure out exactly why. Then it hit me, gone was the feeling of utter frustration, of inevitability. These kids have realized that the only way to be heard is to shout. Shout from the rooftops, speak truth no matter what.

And speak it they did. Their truth. Not the adults version of the truth, but their reality. They are intelligent and cannot be intimidated. Wow, I said to myself, this is NO BULLSHIT, these kids mean business. In little over a month, they have captured lightning in a bottle, but unlike any lightning I or anyone could have imagined. In that short period of time they have moved the needle ever so slightly, an earthquake of social change.

I sat and watched an 11 year-old black girl call out the nation's media and their failure to report on the loss of lives in the black community. I was floored by her stalwart demeanor, her calmness, her resolve to get her message across without so much as a quiver in her voice. She even paused to allow for applause. Media savy at that age is remarkable. And so, here I am, remarking on her presentation before hundreds of thousands in our nation's capital. Bravo, I say Bravo!

Her name is Naomi Wadler. I will never forget her name, because we will be hearing from her in the near future. And really, that's what this was all about.

Proud of you my dear.

SGG

Us adults could learn a lot from those "kids!" Awesome stuff - it's so encouraging to see so much intelligence and confidence from that generation.

BRENDA

Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, this country is in good hands. Thank God!

Pretty soon the old farts who talk so much shit will be gone, 6 Feet under, the Big Dirt Nap, Adios! Then maybe we could get back to the future.

There's Hope!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
It is good to see. These young people give me hope for the US.

Yes, it is. These are your future leaders and if they stay on course. They will make fine leaders in all areas.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:21 AM

The problem with kids is that they don't know anything about the real world. It's pretty easy to deal in absolutes when your parents pay for everything that tax dollars aren't already paying for.

That's why so many of them today are still living at home in their 30's.

It's going to be hard to lead the world from Mom's basement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:26 PM

Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw how assured they were as teen after teen stepped up to the mic and poured their hearts out.

Heady stuff. Today's youth are far more advanced, eductionally speaking, than the kids of my day. This is a good sign.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I sat and watched as teens and younger kids walked up to the microphones and spoke strongly and eloquently about the impact gun violence has had on their lives.

It reminded me of the 70s and how young and old alike protested the war in Vietnam. But this was something different, something so special that stirred my emotions and girded my resolve. It moved me in a unique way, it made me proud, and I couldn't figure out exactly why. Then it hit me, gone was the feeling of utter frustration, of inevitability. These kids have realized that the only way to be heard is to shout. Shout from the rooftops, speak truth no matter what.

And speak it they did. Their truth. Not the adults version of the truth, but their reality. They are intelligent and cannot be intimidated. Wow, I said to myself, this is NO BULLSHIT, these kids mean business. In little over a month, they have captured lightning in a bottle, but unlike any lightning I or anyone could have imagined. In that short period of time they have moved the needle ever so slightly, an earthquake of social change.

I sat and watched an 11 year-old black girl call out the nation's media and their failure to report on the loss of lives in the black community. I was floored by her stalwart demeanor, her calmness, her resolve to get her message across without so much as a quiver in her voice. She even paused to allow for applause. Media savy at that age is remarkable. And so, here I am, remarking on her presentation before hundreds of thousands in our nation's capital. Bravo, I say Bravo!

Her name is Naomi Wadler. I will never forget her name, because we will be hearing from her in the near future. And really, that's what this was all about.

Proud of you my dear.

SGG

Us adults could learn a lot from those "kids!" Awesome stuff - it's so encouraging to see so much intelligence and confidence from that generation.

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:28 PM

Ah, Six.......ever the optimist.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem with kids is that they don't know anything about the real world. It's pretty easy to deal in absolutes when your parents pay for everything that tax dollars aren't already paying for.

That's why so many of them today are still living at home in their 30's.

It's going to be hard to lead the world from Mom's basement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:36 PM

Pragmatist.

I disagree that kids today are more evolved emotionally than they used to be. They're coddled babies, and they don't learn anything about the real world all the way up through college. When many of them go home to their parents and can't find good enough jobs to move out on their own, they continue to be coddled babies.

What's going to happen when they're the parents? When adult-babies can't support themselves are supposed to take care of their own adult-babies?

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ah, Six.......ever the optimist.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem with kids is that they don't know anything about the real world. It's pretty easy to deal in absolutes when your parents pay for everything that tax dollars aren't already paying for.

That's why so many of them today are still living at home in their 30's.

It's going to be hard to lead the world from Mom's basement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, March 30, 2018 8:00 PM

Disagree all you want. These kids are effecting change. Ask Laura Ingraham.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pragmatist.

I disagree that kids today are more evolved emotionally than they used to be. They're coddled babies, and they don't learn anything about the real world all the way up through college. When many of them go home to their parents and can't find good enough jobs to move out on their own, they continue to be coddled babies.

What's going to happen when they're the parents? When adult-babies can't support themselves are supposed to take care of their own adult-babies?

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ah, Six.......ever the optimist.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem with kids is that they don't know anything about the real world. It's pretty easy to deal in absolutes when your parents pay for everything that tax dollars aren't already paying for.

That's why so many of them today are still living at home in their 30's.

It's going to be hard to lead the world from Mom's basement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 30, 2018 8:20 PM

Keep telling yourself that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, March 30, 2018 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Disagree all you want. These kids are effecting change. Ask Laura Ingraham.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pragmatist.

I disagree that kids today are more evolved emotionally than they used to be. They're coddled babies, and they don't learn anything about the real world all the way up through college. When many of them go home to their parents and can't find good enough jobs to move out on their own, they continue to be coddled babies.

What's going to happen when they're the parents? When adult-babies can't support themselves are supposed to take care of their own adult-babies?

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ah, Six.......ever the optimist.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem with kids is that they don't know anything about the real world. It's pretty easy to deal in absolutes when your parents pay for everything that tax dollars aren't already paying for.

That's why so many of them today are still living at home in their 30's.

It's going to be hard to lead the world from Mom's basement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Just like they effected Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh. Those fickle unprincipled advertisers have been begging to be allowed to buy ad time on those shows, after leaving the queue. Those magnanimous men have even removed the lists of fickle advertisers, one must look elsewhere for those lists of censors.

Curious how these untrained, unindoctrinated, unprogrammed kids are faithfully copying the Libtard playbook for Democrap Voter Registration, chapter and verse.
Nobody will ever see through that. At least not the gullible Libtards.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, March 31, 2018 2:18 AM

Dude, it's happening....and I stated my case. So yeah, they are not your little buttercups hiding behind mommy and daddy. Have you seen one parent speaking on their behalf?

Anyways, it's "can't handle the truth" time!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Keep telling yourself that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, March 31, 2018 3:08 AM

Quote:
Just like they effected Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh. Those fickle unprincipled advertisers have been begging to be allowed to buy ad time on those shows, after leaving the queue. Those magnanimous men have even removed the lists of fickle advertisers, one must look elsewhere for those lists of censors.

Yeah, here's the thing. Libtards, as you call them, spend money as much as the propagandist right wing nutjobs. The only reason why advertisers and corporate opportunists are bailing on Fox shows is GREEN. No other reason. Not red, not blue.....but GREEN. Fox is bleeding profusely from a rather large gash left by fucking with these smart teens from Parkland. Advertisers are sprinting away from the stupid Ingraham, but that won't last, it's only until things quiet down.

That may take a while. These kids are pretty determined. When was the last time you saw 800,000 people marching in Washington? Oh yeah, that's right, the Women's march.

That is the only true driving force. Once this dies down, they'll be back to siphon dollar bills from nutjobs and libtards alike. This has nothing to do with being gullible, if that were so the march of the wooden dickwads would dwarf the amount of that of the libtards.

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Curious how these untrained, unindoctrinated, unprogrammed kids are faithfully copying the Libtard playbook for Democrap Voter Registration, chapter and verse. Nobody will ever see through that. At least not the gullible Libtards.

WTF!? What does voter registration have to do with the mass shooting and the subsequent response by that community. What have you been smoking?

Let me school you some on the very well educated teenagers of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. They are NOT your inner city kids that get little to no support in sound educational base. These teens live in an affluent area of Florida
and get top notch teachers who are supported, not only by the system, but by the parents who pay high property taxes. The teachers, a couple of which gave their lives, are doing an excellent job in educating these young people. One kid, who graduated last year, spoke glowingly of one of those teachers who died protecting his students. Who was also the football coach.

That's who they are. It's no wonder these kids are so together, with a community at large who greatly supports the school and it's students. They have a strong system of education and the value shows in the tenor of the young adults behavior.
They are not afraid to speak their truth. NO ONE has the right to deny them their truth, these young people that lived through an unspeakable horror - a mass shooting, that affected their peers and their mentors. Not you, me or Ingraham.

You want to call them names and ridicule them? Go right ahead, join the mob. Democracy is not a spectator sport. You want to call it a playbook, sure! But it's one that was played over 230 years ago. Freedom doesn't come cheap, but if you want to live under someone's thumb then keep doing what you're doing.

SGG

WHOZIT

Saturday, March 31, 2018 3:18 AM

...a powerful message that's been forgotten thanks to Stormy Daniels, Boss Hogg can now dream about who will play him in the movie...that will never be made.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 31, 2018 8:11 AM

Nobody gives a shit. A month from now nobody will even remember this ever happened.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Saturday, March 31, 2018 8:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I sat and watched as teens and younger kids walked up to the microphones and spoke strongly and eloquently about the impact gun violence has had on their lives.

It reminded me of the 70s and how young and old alike protested the war in Vietnam. But this was something different, something so special that stirred my emotions and girded my resolve. It moved me in a unique way, it made me proud, and I couldn't figure out exactly why. Then it hit me, gone was the feeling of utter frustration, of inevitability. These kids have realized that the only way to be heard is to shout. Shout from the rooftops, speak truth no matter what.

And speak it they did. Their truth. Not the adults version of the truth, but their reality. They are intelligent and cannot be intimidated. Wow, I said to myself, this is NO BULLSHIT, these kids mean business. In little over a month, they have captured lightning in a bottle, but unlike any lightning I or anyone could have imagined. In that short period of time they have moved the needle ever so slightly, an earthquake of social change.

I sat and watched an 11 year-old black girl call out the nation's media and their failure to report on the loss of lives in the black community. I was floored by her stalwart demeanor, her calmness, her resolve to get her message across without so much as a quiver in her voice. She even paused to allow for applause. Media savy at that age is remarkable. And so, here I am, remarking on her presentation before hundreds of thousands in our nation's capital. Bravo, I say Bravo!

Her name is Naomi Wadler. I will never forget her name, because we will be hearing from her in the near future. And really, that's what this was all about.

I agree. Very well ritten, SGG.

You are a better riter than I am. ALOT better.

I sent an oped to the Washington Post early this week. I got a rejection reply, wich iz slitely better than no reply at all, but they didnt say wy.

Maybe my riting wuznt good enuf? Woud you possibly be up for a rerite that you coud submit?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 31, 2018 8:53 AM

Tell me you wrote it in nooalf.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:16 PM

Forgotten!? We're talking about it. Stormy Daniels, Go Get Some!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
...a powerful message that's been forgotten thanks to Stormy Daniels, Boss Hogg can now dream about who will play him in the movie...that will never be made.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:19 PM

Well now, that's one vote in the "No" column. Apparently, somebody gives a shit, let's check back in a month.

April 30, 2018

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives a shit. A month from now nobody will even remember this ever happened.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:19 PM

Ooops!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives a shit. A month from now nobody will even remember this ever happened.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:29 PM

A rewrite?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I sat and watched as teens and younger kids walked up to the microphones and spoke strongly and eloquently about the impact gun violence has had on their lives.

It reminded me of the 70s and how young and old alike protested the war in Vietnam. But this was something different, something so special that stirred my emotions and girded my resolve. It moved me in a unique way, it made me proud, and I couldn't figure out exactly why. Then it hit me, gone was the feeling of utter frustration, of inevitability. These kids have realized that the only way to be heard is to shout. Shout from the rooftops, speak truth no matter what.

And speak it they did. Their truth. Not the adults version of the truth, but their reality. They are intelligent and cannot be intimidated. Wow, I said to myself, this is NO BULLSHIT, these kids mean business. In little over a month, they have captured lightning in a bottle, but unlike any lightning I or anyone could have imagined. In that short period of time they have moved the needle ever so slightly, an earthquake of social change.

I sat and watched an 11 year-old black girl call out the nation's media and their failure to report on the loss of lives in the black community. I was floored by her stalwart demeanor, her calmness, her resolve to get her message across without so much as a quiver in her voice. She even paused to allow for applause. Media savy at that age is remarkable. And so, here I am, remarking on her presentation before hundreds of thousands in our nation's capital. Bravo, I say Bravo!

Her name is Naomi Wadler. I will never forget her name, because we will be hearing from her in the near future. And really, that's what this was all about.

I agree. Very well ritten, SGG.

You are a better riter than I am. ALOT better.

I sent an oped to the Washington Post early this week. I got a rejection reply, wich iz slitely better than no reply at all, but they didnt say wy.

Maybe my riting wuznt good enuf? Woud you possibly be up for a rerite that you coud submit?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

JO753

Sunday, April 1, 2018 2:28 PM

Yes. I rered it and it seemz amatuerish, sloppy, not up to standardz. Like I sed, I dont no if thats wy they turned it down, but it coudnt hurt if it wuz good quality.

Herez wut I sent:

Quote:
The founding fathers failed the nation when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. Rather than being the key to America's success, as gun proponents would have us believe, private ownership of firearms has resulted in an unrestrained continuous assault on the very concept of civilized society.

Their failure was essentially one of foresight.

Whether or not it was possible for any of them to conceive of weapons that can be concealed under one's shirt that could enable a single soldier to wipe out an entire brigade is debatable.

What is not is that they failed to include any sort of counterbalancing force within the amendment to preclude the obvious possibility of weapons technology amplifying the destructive power of individuals beyond all reason.

All the arguments interpreting the 2nd Amendment that are used to enable ownership of a simple .22 revolver make equal sense for a nuclear missile. It is only a lack of total insanity that enabled our law makers to draw a line somewhere to prohibit ownership of major military hardware.

Due to the virtual impossibility of repealing the amendment, what is needed is a counterbalance external to the Constitution.

The Gun Incident Tax is a proposal that puts the entire monetary cost of the bloodshed and destruction caused by privately owned firearms on the owners, manufacturers and proponent organizations. Unlike specific laws and regulations which only nibble at the edges of the problem, the GIT provides a foundation upon which new laws aimed at reducing the financial burden will be eagerly sought by those who want to own guns as well as their suppliers and representatives.

What most current owners will decide, I believe, is that they do not want to pay so much for what is essentially a hobby. Offering them a full retail turn-in option will open up the drain on the massive saturation that enables the carnage. Gradually, it will be less and less easy for anybody to get a gun, whether legally or not.

Even if it costs billions of dollars beyond what is collected by the GIT system, it will
be worth it to every person who does not get their life derailed by permanent injury or ended by death. However, given that the idea is properly enacted and executed, rather than watered down and mangled into junk by the legislators, the amounts collected will far exceed the retail value of all the guns in the nation.

Therez an 800 word limit. dont no if thats more kuz I did it in their submission form wich duznt provide a count.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:30 PM

There's 406 words.

You should download a free program called Notepad++ https://notepad-plus-plus.org/download/v7.5.6.html

You can go to "View" then select "Summary" and it will tell you how many characters (without blanks), words, lines, and total document length (with spaces).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Monday, April 2, 2018 4:26 AM

xanks!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 2, 2018 10:12 AM

No problem man. I love sharing kick ass free software like this that competes with the big money packages. I use Notepad++ a lot myself, and I'm always learning how to do new things with it. It's a very powerful little tool.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 2, 2018 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No problem man. I love sharing kick ass free software like this that competes with the big money packages. I use Notepad++ a lot myself, and I'm always learning how to do new things with it. It's a very powerful little tool.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

lol.
That's what everybody said about Word Perfect 5.1 and WordStar before Micro$haft stole them and destroyed them.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 2, 2018 12:09 PM

I haven't used the MS Office 2007 disk somebody gave me with a license volume key since around 2010. Google docs and Google word give you everything M$ office does, but for free. Notepad++ does some stuff that neither of them do.

I haven't paid for a version of Windows since 98. Microsoft finally caught on and gave away Windows 10 for free.

For graphics, I use a free program called Paint.NET. Some people prefer the free program GIMP. That's a little too advanced for me though, since I'm not a graphic artist. My brother has been using Photoshop all his adult life with his photography, but recently gave it up for a paid for Indie program that is only 40 bucks and does everything that Photoshop does.

Word Perfect didn't die because of M$. Word Perfect was a relic of a different time and by any standard today it sucks. I had M$ Office at home in high school when they were teaching Word Perfect in my HS Keyboarding class. It was already extremely outdated in '96 when my school was teaching us with it.

There's a lot of "free" programs out there that aren't actually free or just plain suck. There are some good ones, however, if you know where to look for them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 2, 2018 2:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I haven't used the MS Office 2007 disk somebody gave me with a license volume key since around 2010. Google docs and Google word give you everything M$ office does, but for free. Notepad++ does some stuff that neither of them do.

I haven't paid for a version of Windows since 98. Microsoft finally caught on and gave away Windows 10 for free.

For graphics, I use a free program called Paint.NET. Some people prefer the free program GIMP. That's a little too advanced for me though, since I'm not a graphic artist. My brother has been using Photoshop all his adult life with his photography, but recently gave it up for a paid for Indie program that is only 40 bucks and does everything that Photoshop does.

Word Perfect didn't die because of M$. Word Perfect was a relic of a different time and by any standard today it sucks. I had M$ Office at home in high school when they were teaching Word Perfect in my HS Keyboarding class. It was already extremely outdated in '96 when my school was teaching us with it.

There's a lot of "free" programs out there that aren't actually free or just plain suck. There are some good ones, however, if you know where to look for them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Which version of WP were you learning in 96?
How many Norell products have you used?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 2, 2018 2:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Which version of WP were you learning in 96?

I couldn't tell you man. It was a blue background with white characters on it. I seem to recall some red color in there as well. It was a relic compared to what you could do on Win95 at the time.

Quote:
How many Norell products have you used?

I dunno man. I don't even know what Norell is. You didn't mean Novell, did you?

Even still, probably not much. I didn't have a PC until '94 or so and used it mostly for games at the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, April 2, 2018 3:40 PM

Okay dude, I read it and you're right it is a bit of a challenge to read.
When all else fails use the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. Please know that I'm not insulting you, that is the saying.

Your opening sentence was good, but then you lost me, the reader I mean. When you sit down to rewrite ask yourself what it is you're trying to say. What point are you trying to bring out. Get to the point as quickly as possible, they don't want a book. Actually, there were more paragraphs throughout your piece that made sense, but then you followed it up with run-on sentences and misused words.

Here's what you do to keep focused. Jot down your main theme or idea, and then stick to it. You build a house. Get the facts on whatever the topic is, and then point your idea at it. As you write, keep it simple.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Yes. I rered it and it seemz amatuerish, sloppy, not up to standardz. Like I sed, I dont no if thats wy they turned it down, but it coudnt hurt if it wuz good quality.

Herez wut I sent:

Quote:
The founding fathers failed the nation when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. Rather than being the key to America's success, as gun proponents would have us believe, private ownership of firearms has resulted in an unrestrained continuous assault on the very concept of civilized society.

Their failure was essentially one of foresight.

Whether or not it was possible for any of them to conceive of weapons that can be concealed under one's shirt that could enable a single soldier to wipe out an entire brigade is debatable.

What is not is that they failed to include any sort of counterbalancing force within the amendment to preclude the obvious possibility of weapons technology amplifying the destructive power of individuals beyond all reason.

All the arguments interpreting the 2nd Amendment that are used to enable ownership of a simple .22 revolver make equal sense for a nuclear missile. It is only a lack of total insanity that enabled our law makers to draw a line somewhere to prohibit ownership of major military hardware.

Due to the virtual impossibility of repealing the amendment, what is needed is a counterbalance external to the Constitution.

The Gun Incident Tax is a proposal that puts the entire monetary cost of the bloodshed and destruction caused by privately owned firearms on the owners, manufacturers and proponent organizations. Unlike specific laws and regulations which only nibble at the edges of the problem, the GIT provides a foundation upon which new laws aimed at reducing the financial burden will be eagerly sought by those who want to own guns as well as their suppliers and representatives.

What most current owners will decide, I believe, is that they do not want to pay so much for what is essentially a hobby. Offering them a full retail turn-in option will open up the drain on the massive saturation that enables the carnage. Gradually, it will be less and less easy for anybody to get a gun, whether legally or not.

Even if it costs billions of dollars beyond what is collected by the GIT system, it will
be worth it to every person who does not get their life derailed by permanent injury or ended by death. However, given that the idea is properly enacted and executed, rather than watered down and mangled into junk by the legislators, the amounts collected will far exceed the retail value of all the guns in the nation.

Therez an 800 word limit. dont no if thats more kuz I did it in their submission form wich duznt provide a count.

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JO753

Monday, April 2, 2018 5:41 PM

My intent iz to get sum MSM coveraj on the GIT plan.

Part uv wut they say they want in an oped iz sumthing orijinal and fresh, so I coudnt just C&P the web paje or rehash any uv the many previous articlez and forum posts about it. Starting it off from the perspectiv uv The Founderz seemed like a workable idea. Its at least a valid premise, but I didnt connect the dots very well.

I'm kinda burnt out on it. You can do it much better and quicker than me. You arent afraid uv having a real article published, are you?

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JO753

Sunday, April 8, 2018 12:49 PM

Sent this to sum uv the gun control organizationz:

Paradigm Shift

The current debate on gun control laws can be seen as a corral in which the participants are allowed to move freely, as long as they stay within the fence.

The fence in this case has been set up by gun proponents.

Like cowboys controlling the movement of their herd, the NRA, ALEC, all the pro-gun politicians including the entire GOP, and their propaganda 'news' outlets spend their efforts keeping the debate from getting too active.

What I have created is well outside the corral.

The Gun Incident Tax finds and addresses the core of the problem, rather than nibbling at the edges as all the background checks, isolated equipment bans, boycotts, etc., etc., etc. being talked about.

The GIT can be seen as the missing weight on the other side of the balance to the 2nd Amendment; something the founding fathers did not include within the Constitution, simply because there was no need to be seen at the the time.

Nothing in that era of hand made wooden flintlocks could have sparked their imagination brightly enough to envision weapons that could enable a single soldier of the future to wipe out an entire battalion of their time, or mass production making such power available to everybody.

Read the linked page. If you can find a flaw in my reasoning, I would like to hear it. And, even if you can, spread the word. If nothing else, it will at least show 'the herd' that there's something beyond the fence.
[/color]? %$#@ tagz here are for &%$#! WU? did I spell color rong?

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JO753

Sunday, April 8, 2018 1:14 PM

What I hav noted befor iz that a group iz formed after the latest outraje, they make sum noize for a wile then get 'organized' into oblivion, doing nothing but collecting donationz.

I dont no if it haz started with the teenajerz yet, but the oddz are it will.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CAACAC_enUS730US730&ei=xbbJWt7_
DYb2swXP_o-wCQ&q=gun+control+organizations&oq=gun+control+organizations&gs_l=psy-ab.12..35i39k1j0l9.28690.43004.0.49321.43.33.0.0.0.0.303.4772.0j24j3j1.29.0..2..0...1.1.64.psy-ab..16.27.4634.6..0i67k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i263k1j0i20i263k1j0i131i67k1.213.nOpo9DGUq78

Look at their websites - all practically the same, az if a single company haz cornered the market on the gun control industry.

GunCon LLC, proudly serving your firearm regulation needs since 1997. promotions, donations, websites, printed materials, press releases.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Disagree all you want. These kids are effecting change. Ask Laura Ingraham.

SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pragmatist.

I disagree that kids today are more evolved emotionally than they used to be. They're coddled babies, and they don't learn anything about the real world all the way up through college. When many of them go home to their parents and can't find good enough jobs to move out on their own, they continue to be coddled babies.

What's going to happen when they're the parents? When adult-babies can't support themselves are supposed to take care of their own adult-babies?

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ah, Six.......ever the optimist.

SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem with kids is that they don't know anything about the real world. It's pretty easy to deal in absolutes when your parents pay for everything that tax dollars aren't already paying for.

That's why so many of them today are still living at home in their 30's.

It's going to be hard to lead the world from Mom's basement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Just like they effected Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh. Those fickle unprincipled advertisers have been begging to be allowed to buy ad time on those shows, after leaving the queue. Those magnanimous men have even removed the lists of fickle advertisers, one must look elsewhere for those lists of censors.

Curious how these untrained, unindoctrinated, unprogrammed kids are faithfully copying the Libtard playbook for Democrap Voter Registration, chapter and verse.
Nobody will ever see through that. At least not the gullible Libtards.

Can't quite tell if JO saw thru it or not.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
What I hav noted befor iz that a group iz formed after the latest outraje, they make sum noize for a wile then get 'organized' into oblivion, doing nothing but collecting donationz.

I dont no if it haz started with the teenajerz yet, but the oddz are it will.

Look at their websites - all practically the same, az if a single company haz cornered the market on the gun control industry.

GunCon LLC, proudly serving your firearm regulation needs since 1997. promotions, donations, websites, printed materials, press releases.

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http://www.7532020.com

Ya know.... I never thought of this before. But now that you say it J0, I'm 100% convinced that it's the truth. Why didn't I think of that before? Why wouldn't there be a gun control industry?

And if there is a gun control industry, do you think there will actually ever be any meaningful gun control? Why would there be? They'd be putting an end to that cash cow.

8 years of Obama and gun controls got even more lax under the most Leftist Administration the country has ever had.

Hell... I'll take it one step further man. What do you think the odds are that the "organization" that runs the gun control industry is the very same "organization" that runs the NRA?

Maybe they were two different companies at one point, but one bought out the other and now pockets the money generated from both sides of the issue.

School shootings are great for business. They're probably getting kickbacks from Big Pharma at the same time to keep the kiddies drugged out of their minds.

Fuck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 9, 2018 6:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
What I hav noted befor iz that a group iz formed after the latest outraje, they make sum noize for a wile then get 'organized' into oblivion, doing nothing but collecting donationz.

I dont no if it haz started with the teenajerz yet, but the oddz are it will.

Look at their websites - all practically the same, az if a single company haz cornered the market on the gun control industry.

GunCon LLC, proudly serving your firearm regulation needs since 1997. promotions, donations, websites, printed materials, press releases.
Ya know.... I never thought of this before. But now that you say it J0, I'm 100% convinced that it's the truth. Why didn't I think of that before? Why wouldn't there be a gun control industry?

And if there is a gun control industry, do you think there will actually ever be any meaningful gun control? Why would there be? They'd be putting an end to that cash cow.

8 years of Obama and gun controls got even more lax under the most Leftist Administration the country has ever had.

Hell... I'll take it one step further man. What do you think the odds are that the "organization" that runs the gun control industry is the very same "organization" that runs the NRA?

Maybe they were two different companies at one point, but one bought out the other and now pockets the money generated from both sides of the issue.

School shootings are great for business. They're probably getting kickbacks from Big Pharma at the same time to keep the kiddies drugged out of their minds.

Fuck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Writing a Scooby Doo episode?

Are you suggesting this organization was not spontaneous teenagers? MSM lied to us!
Are you suggesting this organization wrangled high schoolers? MSM lied to us!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 9, 2018 6:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 9, 2018 7:24 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Writing a Scooby Doo episode?

This shit writes itself.

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Are you suggesting this organization was not spontaneous teenagers? MSM lied to us!
Are you suggesting this organization wrangled high schoolers? MSM lied to us!

The MSM lied to us. Something that I say happens all the time. You might have forgotten that though since you've all but outright said that I'm a Libtard half a dozen times in the last week.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, April 9, 2018 7:44 AM

We'll know that nothing is going to happen when we see a lack of sustained grass-roots political organization.

Remember the Occupy movement? And its lack of POLITICAL direction?

Yeah. Like that.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 9, 2018 8:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Writing a Scooby Doo episode?
This shit writes itself.
Quote:
Are you suggesting this organization was not spontaneous teenagers? MSM lied to us!
Are you suggesting this organization wrangled high schoolers? MSM lied to us!
Being a Libtard is not the same thing as accepting Libtard claims as accurate.

The MSM lied to us. Something that I say happens all the time. You might have forgotten that though since you've all but outright said that I'm a Libtard half a dozen times in the last week.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 9, 2018 6:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Being a Libtard is not the same thing as accepting Libtard claims as accurate.

No. You're just one of those people that label anyone who doesn't agree with you a Libtard.

Some stuff that comes from the left is legitimate. Just as some stuff that comes from the right is legitimate.

I can't help it that I don't agree in all of your dogma. I'm neither a Libtard or a Conservitard. I think you need to stop watching Hannity as much as others here need to stop watching Maddow.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 9, 2018 6:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
We'll know that nothing is going to happen when we see a lack of sustained grass-roots political organization.

Remember the Occupy movement? And its lack of POLITICAL direction?

Yeah. Like that.

Yup. Pretty much. It's not as if we haven't gone through this whole gun debate a dozen times since 2000. Nothing is going to change.

In the mean time, nobody in the MSM is even asking the real questions about what has changed that makes this so prevalent today. There were plenty of guns to be had before Columbine.

I'm not going to say that prescription drugs being handed out like candy is the only reason, but it's a big one.

How do we get back to where we were?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
We'll know that nothing is going to happen when we see a lack of sustained grass-roots political organization.

Remember the Occupy movement? And its lack of POLITICAL direction?

Yeah. Like that.

Yup. Pretty much. It's not as if we haven't gone through this whole gun debate a dozen times since 2000. Nothing is going to change.

In the mean time, nobody in the MSM is even asking the real questions about what has changed that makes this so prevalent today. There were plenty of guns to be had before Columbine.

I'm not going to say that prescription drugs being handed out like candy is the only reason, but it's a big one.

How do we get back to where we were?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

When the drug peddlers are sent to prison for the subsequent Homicides they caused, the irresponsible miscreants will stop prescribing them.

Currently these psychotropic drugged patsies, the Terrorist Jihadists, and actual Criminals are all mingled together to create the image that this is and should be commonplace.
Stop the Reaver creation by throwing in jail the Doctors.
Treat Terrorists according TG o those laws.
See what's left, if anything.

JO753

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:06 AM

I spent quite a bit uv the weekend pushing the GIT paje on fasebook, spamming ALL my email contacts, yammering in forumz and contacting gun control orgz.

The vizit count went from 1010 Saturday 1 am to 1022 9pm Monday. Subtract 4 frum that for my own vizits.

Being blocked or just a rezult uv being a drop in the vast interweb ocean?

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1KIKI

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:12 AM

being a drop

a less than microscopic drop

for the millions Russian oligarchs supposedly spent to throw the election, their contribution was a teeny, tiny fraction of 1% of web traffic

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I spent quite a bit uv the weekend pushing the GIT paje on fasebook, spamming ALL my email contacts, yammering in forumz and contacting gun control orgz.

The vizit count went from 1010 Saturday 1 am to 1022 9pm Monday. Subtract 4 frum that for my own vizits.

Being blocked or just a rezult uv being a drop in the vast interweb ocean?

Who can say J0?

Personally, I don't think you're being blocked. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I think this is more about the fact that nobody really gives a shit. All anybody wants to do on Facebook is post tragic or inspiring stories and say whatever their dipshit opinions about them are.

They're not there to listen. They're not there to learn. They're not there to solve any problems. They're only there to feed their own egos.

Though I don't agree with your idea, at least you're trying to do something about it.

The problem with your page is that it requires people to think. It doesn't tell them what to think. It can't be summed up in a one or two sentence slogan.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:39 AM

There's also the phenomenon of an idea whose time has come. Such an idea can catch fire and turn from a small glowing speck into a raging fire.

JO's idea may not be such a thing. It may be either the wrong idea, or the wrong time.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:45 AM

6ix

I know you have an issue with psychotropic drugs.

I believe we are experiencing the outwash of the autism spectrum epidemic. Such a profound increase in autism spectrum numbers is surely accompanied by a plethora of related dysfunction.

Not everyone is born normal and then messed up by doctors. Some of us are born suffering, from things for which there is no cure.

There's comfort in finding someone to blame. But it may not be appropriate.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
6ix

I know you have an issue with psychotropic drugs.

I believe we are experiencing the outwash of the autism spectrum epidemic. Such a profound increase in autism spectrum numbers is surely accompanied by a plethora of related dysfunction.

Not everyone is born normal and then messed up by doctors. Some of us are born suffering, from things for which there is no cure.

There's comfort in finding someone to blame. But it may not be appropriate.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

You think past generations had less non-normal offspring?

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:50 PM

Either that, or the less hardy died early in greater numbers, or both.

I think that both are going on.

The problem I think is that we're now soaked in 80,000 or so chemicals that didn't exist even when I was born. And by 'soaked' I'm talking in relative terms since biological levels of concern are ppb to ppt. These chemicals have their effects at crucial stages of embryonic development, so that as early as at birth the brains of children who will go on to be autistic are structurally different than the brains of children who won't. At that point, it's clear that autism isn't due to frigid mothers, vaccines, or other childhood causes. ETA What's left is prenatal. Since I've seen autism in children born to parents from Ethiopia, mainland China, and Mexico, as well as American-born parents, and statistics confirm this, it looks to me there is something about HERE that's the problem. Maybe it's the neo-nics and glyphosate in the produce, or the ractopamine in the beef. Or less intentionally, the pdbe's in house dust, or pcb's in butter.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:47 PM

Quote:
I know you have an issue with psychotropic drugs.

Yep. Almost as much as I have a problem with soul-stealing opioids being okay in a country where weed isn't legal. (Gee... I wonder why. It wouldn't be because anybody could grow their own weed next to the tomatoes in their garden for free, could it?)

Quote:
I believe we are experiencing the outwash of the autism spectrum epidemic. Such a profound increase in autism spectrum numbers is surely accompanied by a plethora of related dysfunction.

There's comfort in finding someone to blame. But it may not be appropriate.

Fair enough...

Anybody have a list of the mass shooters and whether or not they were on psychotropic drugs.

Also, does anybody have a list of mass shooters and whether or not they were on the autism spectrum and to what degree?

From that data we could probably learn a lot.

Nobody ever asks questions like these though because everybody is always too busy exhausting themselves on the issue of gun control for a few weeks before the next big thing steals away their short attention spans and diverts their attention long enough that when it happens again they go right back to the gun control debate that goes nowhere.

Is this an en masse example of the Definition of Insanity at work?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Either that, or the less hardy died early in greater numbers, or both.

I think that both are going on.

The problem I think is that we're now soaked in 80,000 or so chemicals that didn't exist even when I was born. And by 'soaked' I'm talking in relative terms since biological levels of concern are ppb to ppt. These chemicals have their effects at crucial stages of embryonic development, so that as early as at birth the brains of children who will go on to be autistic are structurally different than the brains of children who won't. At that point, it's clear that autism isn't due to frigid mothers, vaccines, or other childhood causes. ETA What's left is prenatal. Since I've seen autism in children born to parents from Ethiopia, mainland China, and Mexico, as well as American-born parents, and statistics confirm this, it looks to me there is something about HERE that's the problem. Maybe it's the neo-nics and glyphosate in the produce, or the ractopamine in the beef. Or less intentionally, the pdbe's in house dust, or pcb's in butter.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

It might be something in the water as well.

Even though there are "guidelines" that state that you shouldn't flush your pills down the toilet, plenty of people do.

But that doesn't really matter though, does it? Aren't a lot of these chemicals things that our body doesn't break down in the first place? Wouldn't just putting them in our body and then naturally going to the bathroom release them into the public water table all the same? I would assume with my very limited knowledge of chemistry that the human body doesn't break down Lithium for example.

I'm asking you here Kiki, because I really don't know. I've heard that these elements make it into the public water regardless, but being that you are in the Stem fields and I am not, you'd likely be much more knowledgeable about it than I am.

I do know that even the best city water reclamation facilities don't get everything out of the water. Every year I get a statement from my locality that talks about the public water table and shows that the PP(whatever) is under Federal guidelines and is "safe" to drink. There's really no telling how many other people's pharmaceutical drugs I'm drinking though every time I pour myself a glass of water or make a cup of coffee.

Sweet, sweet Lithium. How do I love thee...

"I'm so happy, cause today I've found my friends... in my head."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:32 PM

"Wouldn't just putting them in our body and then naturally going to the bathroom release them into the public water table all the same?" One's body does break down most pharmaceuticals to a certain level. Lithium is an exception, because it's an element, and the only way to break it down is to put it through a nuclear reactor and change it into something else. But in general, yes drugs - both legal and illicit - are excreted from the body and show up in sewage. And sewage treatment doesn't remove all of them. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-half-of-drugs-removed-
by-sewage-treatment/

There are also other organic chemicals (containing carbons attached to other carbons), either intentionally made or created as waste during industrial processes that are EXTREMELY stable. Their title by category is 'persistent organic pollutants'. They can hang out in the environment and not be broken down by bacteria, fungi, sunlight/ UV, heat, cold, or other natural processes. And we, like other animals, don't break them down either. Many of these are fat soluble. Generally, the liver takes fat soluble substances and changes them so they can dissolve in water. They then float away in the bloodstream and get filtered out by the kidneys, and we urinate them away. But not the persistent organic pollutants. They can't be broken down enough and so they accumulate in the fat in our bodies over our lifetimes. These have been shown to disrupt our neurochemistry, our endocrine system (including sex hormones) or both. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/persistent
-organic-pollutant

There are other elements (in the same category as lithium) in the environment with very wide distribution that cause neurological dysfunction. One of them is lead, widely used in paints and gasoline; the other is mercury, released by burning coal and through other industrial processes - like making high fructose corn syrup.

And then there's the stuff that directly goes into our food production on purpose, like atrazine, neonicotinoids, and ractopamine - because it makes somebody more money, and who doesn't want a side of chemicals with every bite?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:54 AM

Wonderful. We're all dosed. :)

I had assumed as much, but wanted to hear from somebody who knew more about it rather than just go off of second hand stuff I'd heard before.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:17 AM

Not just us - the entire planet and all living things.

Everyone into the sewage pool!

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
I know you have an issue with psychotropic drugs.
Yep. Almost as much as I have a problem with soul-stealing opioids being okay in a country where weed isn't legal. (Gee... I wonder why. It wouldn't be because anybody could grow their own weed next to the tomatoes in their garden for free, could it?)
Quote:
I believe we are experiencing the outwash of the autism spectrum epidemic. Such a profound increase in autism spectrum numbers is surely accompanied by a plethora of related dysfunction.

There's comfort in finding someone to blame. But it may not be appropriate.
Fair enough...

Anybody have a list of the mass shooters and whether or not they were on psychotropic drugs.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=7&tid=62257&mid=104827
1#1048271

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
I know you have an issue with psychotropic drugs.
Yep. Almost as much as I have a problem with soul-stealing opioids being okay in a country where weed isn't legal. (Gee... I wonder why. It wouldn't be because anybody could grow their own weed next to the tomatoes in their garden for free, could it?)
Quote:
I believe we are experiencing the outwash of the autism spectrum epidemic. Such a profound increase in autism spectrum numbers is surely accompanied by a plethora of related dysfunction.

There's comfort in finding someone to blame. But it may not be appropriate.
Fair enough...

Anybody have a list of the mass shooters and whether or not they were on psychotropic drugs.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=7&tid=62257&mid=104827
1#1048271

Nice. I thought I remembered you making a thread about that.

Now we need to get a list of people who were on the spectrum to compare it to.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Not just us - the entire planet and all living things.

Everyone into the sewage pool!

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

Geez... I need a pill to cure my depression brought about by my newfound knowledge that I'm already high on everybody else's depression meds.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Not just us - the entire planet and all living things.

Everyone into the sewage pool!

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

Do you feel other animals are affected by the drugs made to alter human brain chemistry? Only mammals? Only primates? Only fauna?
Has this produced detectable results? Could something like Chronic Wasting Disease be caused by such drugs polluting the water/food source/environment? Could flora be a cleanser/filter, or would drug water be drawn into the plant, and then consumed by herbivores?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
I know you have an issue with psychotropic drugs.
Yep. Almost as much as I have a problem with soul-stealing opioids being okay in a country where weed isn't legal. (Gee... I wonder why. It wouldn't be because anybody could grow their own weed next to the tomatoes in their garden for free, could it?)
Quote:
I believe we are experiencing the outwash of the autism spectrum epidemic. Such a profound increase in autism spectrum numbers is surely accompanied by a plethora of related dysfunction.

There's comfort in finding someone to blame. But it may not be appropriate.
Fair enough...

Anybody have a list of the mass shooters and whether or not they were on psychotropic drugs.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=7&tid=62257&mid=104827
1#1048271
Nice. I thought I remembered you making a thread about that.

Now we need to get a list of people who were on the spectrum to compare it to.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Spectrum data would be even more difficult to obtain.
That is not a complete list, or even an attempt at a complete list. Much of that was not easy to find as is.
If I were to add a column or 2, ID likely populate with number of injured - many of those have a dozen or 2 injured, but only a couple dead. Amazing that Subway Bomb didn't have dead.
Or else a column with weapons. Rope, machetes, vehicles, knives, airplanes, swords, biting teeth, arson, duct tape, axes, bombs, arrows, hatchets, even some firearms. Weapons that I don't recall reading of in America incidents: grenades, cannon.

All of those innocent children murdered by their mothers is disheartening. Those Doctors should be thrown to the pits of hell.

1KIKI

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:03 AM

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http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=7&tid=62257&mid=104827
1#1048271 Eric Holder mentioned a report that an estimated 90% (at least) of Mass murders from 2009-2013 were from these drugs.

cite?

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Charles Whitman

brain tumor

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Mary Feurst, July 1982 - antidepressants

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Tyrone Mitchell (28), Los Angeles CA, February 1984 - habitual PCP

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A toxicological study of Mitchell's body fluids postmortem by the Los Angeles County coroner found no PCP or other illegal drugs, and only a small amount of alcohol, .03%, less than a third of the legal limit

I've hardly started on your list and I've eliminated most of your examples. I don't have time to check your 'facts', but it's not looking promising. Aside from which, since you failed to provide links, it's hard to track the information back.

It looks like what you've done is start with your conclusion then piece together random claims, gossip, and straight-up misinformation to support it.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

1KIKI

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:29 AM

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Do you feel other animals are affected by the drugs made to alter human brain chemistry? Only mammals? Only primates? Only fauna?
Has this produced detectable results? Could something like Chronic Wasting Disease be caused by such drugs polluting the water/food source/environment? Could flora be a cleanser/filter, or would drug water could potentially be affected by human drugs in the environment.

Other animals are probably affected by human drugs in the environment. But it's speculative at this point.
However, significant effects are documented for persistent organic pollutants, and for herbicides and pesticides across species as diverse as whales, frogs, fish, alligators, and birds. Effects include eggs being produced in the testes of fish and frogs, male alligators becoming female, birds showing cross-sex behavior, and whales being sterile due to heavy pollutant loads, for example.

Chronic wasting disease is caused by a prion, which is a mis-folded protein, related to mad cow disease, scrapie in sheep, and kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and fatal familial insomnia in people.

"or would drug water could potentially be affected" - ???

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Do you feel other animals are affected by the drugs made to alter human brain chemistry? Only mammals? Only primates? Only fauna?
Has this produced detectable results? Could something like Chronic Wasting Disease be caused by such drugs polluting the water/food source/environment? Could flora be a cleanser/filter, or would drug water could potentially be affected by human drugs in the environment.
Other animals are probably affected by human drugs in the environment. But it's speculative at this point.
However, significant effects are documented for persistent organic pollutants, and for herbicides and pesticides across species as diverse as whales, frogs, fish, alligators, and birds. Effects include eggs being produced in the testes of fish and frogs, male alligators becoming female, birds showing cross-sex behavior, and whales being sterile due to heavy pollutant loads, for example.

Chronic wasting disease is caused by a prion, which is a mis-folded protein, related to mad cow disease, scrapie in sheep, and kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and fatal familial insomnia in people.

"or would drug water could potentially be affected" - ???

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

That last part does not look like a quote from me.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:36 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Other animals are probably affected by human drugs in the environment. But it's speculative at this point.
However, significant effects are documented for persistent organic pollutants, and for herbicides and pesticides across species as diverse as whales, frogs, fish, alligators, and birds. Effects include eggs being produced in the testes of fish and frogs, male alligators becoming female, birds showing cross-sex behavior, and whales being sterile due to heavy pollutant loads, for example.

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