Evidence: So where are we now(II) ?
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Originally posted by second:
Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus
Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.
Dude - this is main thread material, this is historic, this is America getting one of it's balls back.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62243&mid=1
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Quote:Yet more of "no evidence of Trump Collusion" dreck.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Although, I DO have to say that those who are (were?) convinced of "Russian hacking" and "Russian collusion" seem to be posting a contradictory message: On the one hand, they keep pointing to "evidence", and on the other hand they excuse it's lack by saying Well, what do you think Meuller is going to do? Release evidence as soon as he finds it?". You guys - pick one or the other, you can't credibly have both.
. . .
As you know, I have another thread of "evidence" against naughty Debbie W, and some of the other goings-on in DC. I'll bet if we knew everything about everything there, we'd throw everybody out.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus
Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.
Despite your desperate desire for Donald J Trump to be among that list of 13, it does not appear there.
Maybe your next senseless claim is that those 13 all work in the White House.
All your mindless blather, and Still No Evidence?
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus
Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.
Great post JSF6IXKIKISIGNYM!
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lol I guess we're all shadow puppets of one person now. That's pretty impressive.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Burying the lead again?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Although, I DO have to say that those who are (were?) convinced of "Russian hacking" and "Russian collusion" seem to be posting a contradictory message: On the one hand, they keep pointing to "evidence", and on the other hand they excuse it's lack by saying Well, what do you think Meuller is going to do? Release evidence as soon as he finds it?". You guys - pick one or the other, you can't credibly have both.
. . .
As you know, I have another thread of "evidence" against naughty Debbie W, and some of the other goings-on in DC. I'll bet if we knew everything about everything there, we'd throw everybody out.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus
Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.
The AG's announcement clearly stated that no American was involved with, nor even aware of these activities. And no discernable effect upon the Election occurred.
Yet only by ignoring these 2 key points could second drill down to the irrelevant.
Are ALL of these indicted forever located in Russia, having never set foot in America? Or only some of them?
But this is the thread about No Evidence of Trump Collusion, so no big surprise about deflecting from the subject.
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Quote:It sounds like the only Collusion that was found was Russians with Liberal Social Media, and with the Campaign Arm of DNC (aka MainStreamMedia).
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Burying the lead again?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Although, I DO have to say that those who are (were?) convinced of "Russian hacking" and "Russian collusion" seem to be posting a contradictory message: On the one hand, they keep pointing to "evidence", and on the other hand they excuse it's lack by saying Well, what do you think Meuller is going to do? Release evidence as soon as he finds it?". You guys - pick one or the other, you can't credibly have both.
. . .
As you know, I have another thread of "evidence" against naughty Debbie W, and some of the other goings-on in DC. I'll bet if we knew everything about everything there, we'd throw everybody out.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U
http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus
Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.
The AG's announcement clearly stated that no American was involved with, nor even aware of these activities. And no discernable effect upon the Election occurred.
Yet only by ignoring these 2 key points could second drill down to the irrelevant.
Are ALL of these indicted forever located in Russia, having never set foot in America? Or only some of them?
But this is the thread about No Evidence of Trump Collusion, so no big surprise about deflecting from the subject.
Still not an ounce of Trump Collusion.
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Mueller indicted another today. An assistant to the deputy aide of the assistant deputy acting aide of somebody, person nor charge having anything remotely to do with Trump, Russia, or Collusion.
Next up: some deputy assistant aide will be indicted for speeding, or jaywalking, or littering, or uncouth language.
All those high-powered ANTI-TRUMP lawyers Mueller hired must have SOMETHING to do.
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Quote:Hello JewelStaiteFan, you lying sack of shit. A European lawyer pleaded guilty Tuesday to lying to investigators in Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation, after he covered up his discussions with former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates and a business associate based in Ukraine in September 2016, while the Trump campaign operation was in full swing.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Mueller indicted another today. An assistant to the deputy aide of the assistant deputy acting aide of somebody, person nor charge having anything remotely to do with Trump, Russia, or Collusion.
Next up: some deputy assistant aide will be indicted for speeding, or jaywalking, or littering, or uncouth language.
All those high-powered ANTI-TRUMP lawyers Mueller hired must have SOMETHING to do.
www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/robert-mueller-rick-gates/index.html
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Still No Evidence?
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
Sure there is. There is also plenty of evidence you make shit up as second so eloquently displayed.
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Quote:Really? Please point out which Trump Campaign Employee you are talking about. Please point out what evidence of Collusion between Trump and Russia you are talking about.
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:Sure there is. There is also plenty of evidence as second so eloquently displayed.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
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Or are you just lying, talking out of your bung?
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Maddow told them it's true. There is no reasoning with her Borg.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Teflon Don Trump acts like a Mafia boss from NYNY: “I would add that for me, and I think many former law enforcement personnel, it is difficult to recall any precedent for the kind of personal vindictiveness the action by the executive exhibits towards a career FBI agent like McCabe, except from the longtime targets of federal law enforcement, like the mob or drug cartels. With those criminals I noted that their hate was personal towards the agents and attorneys they thought were building cases against them. This move strikes me as very similar.”
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
https://goo.gl/jFsMck
John Gotti was tried three times by federal and state officials, but was acquitted each time, earning him the nickname "The Teflon Don." It turned out that the trials had been compromised by witness intimidation, juror misconduct, and jury tampering. Gotti's flamboyance, however, proved to be his undoing. The FBI had managed to bug an apartment above his headquarters in the Ravenite Social Club in Little Italy, where an elderly widow let mobsters hold top-level meetings. Gotti was heard planning criminal activities and complaining about his underlings. In particular, he complained about Gravano, portraying him as a "mad dog" killer. Gravano responded by turning state's evidence and testifying against Gotti and other members of the family. Gotti and consigliere Frank "Frankie Loc" LoCascio were convicted on all charges on April 2, 1992, largely on the strength of Gravano's testimony, and sentenced to life without parole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambino_crime_family
Present day location of Ravenite Social Club in Little Italy, 247 Mulberry St, NY, NY:
https://goo.gl/maps/UtQBzmmxA5v
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Quote:Still No Evidence?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Teflon Don Trump acts like a Mafia boss from NYNY: “I would add that for me, and I think many former law enforcement personnel, it is difficult to recall any precedent for the kind of personal vindictiveness the action by the executive exhibits towards a career FBI agent like McCabe, except from the longtime targets of federal law enforcement, like the mob or drug cartels. With those criminals I noted that their hate was personal towards the agents and attorneys they thought were building cases against them. This move strikes me as very similar.”
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
https://goo.gl/jFsMck
John Gotti was tried three times by federal and state officials, but was acquitted each time, earning him the nickname "The Teflon Don." It turned out that the trials had been compromised by witness intimidation, juror misconduct, and jury tampering. Gotti's flamboyance, however, proved to be his undoing. The FBI had managed to bug an apartment above his headquarters in the Ravenite Social Club in Little Italy, where an elderly widow let mobsters hold top-level meetings. Gotti was heard planning criminal activities and complaining about his underlings. In particular, he complained about Gravano, portraying him as a "mad dog" killer. Gravano responded by turning state's evidence and testifying against Gotti and other members of the family. Gotti and consigliere Frank "Frankie Loc" LoCascio were convicted on all charges on April 2, 1992, largely on the strength of Gravano's testimony, and sentenced to life without parole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambino_crime_family
Present day location of Ravenite Social Club in Little Italy, 247 Mulberry St, NY, NY:
https://goo.gl/maps/UtQBzmmxA5v
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But hey, admiration of the Criminals in FBI from a Career Criminal Mastermind. That's almost as good as their fabricated evidence, right?
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Exclusive: Sources contradict Sessions' testimony he opposed Russia outreach
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ testimony that he opposed a proposal for President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign team to meet with Russians has been contradicted by three people who told Reuters they have spoken about the matter to investigators with Special Counsel Robert Mueller or congressional committees.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-sessions-exclusive
/exclusive-sources-contradict-sessions-testimony-he-opposed-russia-outreach-idUSKBN1GU0NC
UT OH
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Quote:There are GOP Senators telling Trump that if he doesn't shut the fuck up about firing Mueller, they will end his Presidency and throw his dopey sons into jail for added emphasis. It is not necessary to say that all the Democratic Senators agree, except about the sons. "Republicans to Trump: Let Mueller do his job"
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
But hey, admiration of the Criminals in FBI from a Career Criminal Mastermind. That's almost as good as their fabricated evidence, right?
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/republicans-to-trump-let-m
ueller-do-his-job-idUSKBN1GU0M9
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Quote:And still, No Evidence.
Originally posted by second:Quote:There are GOP Senators telling Trump that if he doesn't shut the fuck up about firing Mueller, they will end his Presidency and throw his dopey sons into jail for added emphasis. It is not necessary to say that all the Democratic Senators agree, except about the sons. "Republicans to Trump: Let Mueller do his job"
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
But hey, admiration of the Criminals in FBI from a Career Criminal Mastermind. That's almost as good as their fabricated evidence, right?
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/republicans-to-trump-let-m
ueller-do-his-job-idUSKBN1GU0M9
Finger pointing does not count.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And still, No Evidence.
How do you know what Mueller knows? Thought so.
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And still, No Evidence.
How do you know what Mueller knows? Thought so.
How do you know what Mueller knows?
I know what you're hoping for. You haven't shut up about it since November 9th of 2016.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And still, No Evidence.
How do you know what Mueller knows? Thought so.
How do you know what Mueller knows?
I know what you're hoping for. You haven't shut up about it since November 9th of 2016.
Wow, good one Sherlock - and here I thought I was being sneaky about it. Maybe you'd like to censor my opinion?
I have no idea what Mueller knows and I don't presume to know what Mueller knows since November 9th of 2016. How 'bout you go stare out a window?
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
And still, No Evidence.
How do you know what Mueller knows? Thought so.
How do you know what Mueller knows?
I know what you're hoping for. You haven't shut up about it since November 9th of 2016.
Wow, good one Sherlock - and here I thought I was being sneaky about it. Maybe you'd like to censor my opinion?
I have no idea what Mueller knows and I don't presume to know what Mueller knows since November 9th of 2016. How 'bout you go stare out a window?
How about you go stare out a window. Rolling on the floor here G.
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Regardless what Mueller finds it is Trumps fault all this is happening. He does one thing after the other that implies guilt. His attacks on our democratic institutions and allies, coupled with his refusal to hold Russia accountable for anything, has raised red flags on a multitude of issues.
He is also single handily responsible for shining a light onto his families corrupt business dealing. He will be solely responsible for their downfall as well.
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Quote:Late on Friday night, Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. The official reason is that he “lacked candor” during an investigation about contacts with the media during the 2016 campaign. The Inspector General's (IG) report making this charge was not released, which means that no one can say for sure what evidence it contains.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:And still, No Evidence.
Originally posted by second:Quote:There are GOP Senators telling Trump that if he doesn't shut the fuck up about firing Mueller, they will end his Presidency and throw his dopey sons into jail for added emphasis. It is not necessary to say that all the Democratic Senators agree, except about the sons. "Republicans to Trump: Let Mueller do his job"
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
But hey, admiration of the Criminals in FBI from a Career Criminal Mastermind. That's almost as good as their fabricated evidence, right?
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/republicans-to-trump-let-m
ueller-do-his-job-idUSKBN1GU0M9
Finger pointing does not count.
Not releasing the IG report is not an accident. It is not a secret document. It was deliberately kept secret to obscure the fact that the charges against McCabe are completely unfounded and the investigation of McCabe has been bogus from the start. The whole thing was the result of Donald Trump’s search for someone to attack during the campaign. This eventually morphed into President Trump’s search for a scapegoat to explain his loss of the popular vote, which in turn morphed into an insane jihad against the entire leadership of the FBI.
Can I prove this? Of course not. That’s the whole point of withholding the IG report. But everyone in Washington is well aware of how this has unfolded. Everyone is well aware of Trump’s insane obsession with getting revenge on his enemies, both real and perceived. Everyone knows what the McCabe vendetta is about.
At this point, to pretend that we don’t know this — maybe McCabe really did seriously breach the rules, we’ll have to wait and see — is little more than a knee-jerk veneration of faux evenhandedness. It is an attempt to remain willfully ignorant when everyone knows what’s happening.
As with the Nunes memo, here’s what I have to say: This entire investigation was bogus. The charges against McCabe are bogus. He did nothing wrong. The whole affair is part of a pathological vendetta begun by the president of the United States. Eventually all the evidence will become public and this is how it will turn out. We should all stop pretending otherwise.
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Quote:wow. Searching for a scapegoat to explain his loss of the popular vote? Really?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Late on Friday night, Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. The official reason is that he “lacked candor” during an investigation about contacts with the media during the 2016 campaign. The Inspector General's (IG) report making this charge was not released, which means that no one can say for sure what evidence it contains.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:And still, No Evidence.
Originally posted by second:Quote:There are GOP Senators telling Trump that if he doesn't shut the fuck up about firing Mueller, they will end his Presidency and throw his dopey sons into jail for added emphasis. It is not necessary to say that all the Democratic Senators agree, except about the sons. "Republicans to Trump: Let Mueller do his job"
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence?
But hey, admiration of the Criminals in FBI from a Career Criminal Mastermind. That's almost as good as their fabricated evidence, right?
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/republicans-to-trump-let-m
ueller-do-his-job-idUSKBN1GU0M9
Finger pointing does not count.
Not releasing the IG report is not an accident. It is not a secret document. It was deliberately kept secret to obscure the fact that the charges against McCabe are completely unfounded and the investigation of McCabe has been bogus from the start. The whole thing was the result of Donald Trump’s search for someone to attack during the campaign. This eventually morphed into President Trump’s search for a scapegoat to explain his loss of the popular vote, which in turn morphed into an insane jihad against the entire leadership of the FBI.
Can I prove this? Of course not. That’s the whole point of withholding the IG report. But everyone in Washington is well aware of how this has unfolded. Everyone is well aware of Trump’s insane obsession with getting revenge on his enemies, both real and perceived. Everyone knows what the McCabe vendetta is about.
At this point, to pretend that we don’t know this — maybe McCabe really did seriously breach the rules, we’ll have to wait and see — is little more than a knee-jerk veneration of faux evenhandedness. It is an attempt to remain willfully ignorant when everyone knows what’s happening.
As with the Nunes memo, here’s what I have to say: This entire investigation was bogus. The charges against McCabe are bogus. He did nothing wrong. The whole affair is part of a pathological vendetta begun by the president of the United States. Eventually all the evidence will become public and this is how it will turn out. We should all stop pretending otherwise.
You act as if anybody other than Libtards care about the popular vote.
What a stretch.
Keeping your blindfold on while also grasping for some purchase. Complete failure of Intellectual Honesty (understanding the opposing viewpoint).
And, Still No Evidence. Funny how the only leaks from the SC and Grand Jury are rumors favorable to the Witch Hunt.
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So tell me - how do you know all of this?
Quote:Because not only do you pretend to know what Mueller knows, you pretend to know what other people think, and what they do, and what will happen in the future!
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I have no idea what Mueller knows and I don't presume to know what Mueller knows since November 9th of 2016.
The endless fantasy brain that lives inside SIGNYM's skull. Making stuff up 24 hours a day ... that was the voices in your head feeding your hatred ... Suuuuure you did ... That slow drip drip is Mueller taking his time ... he slept with her, we all know it ... With his level of paranoia I wouldn't be surprised, OR he thinks his base is so stupid that they will believe that, OR both ... it feels so right that you have joined the Fox & Friends team ... I'll wait because I know it's going to just get better ... (Nobody from Team Trump?) Not yet - but - don't you see the reason for that? ... I love how Trump idiots can't even guess at the future of this ... (Mueller's) like a zen gardner ... Don Jr. - make sure you chant "no collusion" when they crack him like an egg ... how many Trump True Believers think there's no collusion because Mueller didn't release his findings within a week of being assigned. They don't seem to understand ...
"Could Donald J. Trump get a Top Secret background clearance?" Hell no. His financial records would be scanned with a fine tooth comb, so that for one would exclude him. ... There is a mountain of there there ... There are ways to find out what a legal body like Mueller's may be up to/is up to without it necessarily coming from someone inside. ...
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:Still no evidence that Trump paid his taxes. Every Presidential Candidate back to the beginning of income taxes made their returns publicly available. Except Trump.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
wow. Searching for a scapegoat to explain his loss of the popular vote? Really?
You act as if anybody other than Libtards care about the popular vote.
What a stretch.
Keeping your blindfold on while also grasping for some purchase. Complete failure of Intellectual Honesty (understanding the opposing viewpoint).
And, Still No Evidence. Funny how the only leaks from the SC and Grand Jury are rumors favorable to the Witch Hunt.
www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns
That is thousands of pages of missing evidence, missing because Trump wants it to stay missing. And Trump said "Believe Me, I will release my tax returns" then he gave us nothing to believe. Sure thing, Trump, that's as dishonest as possible.
www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/donald-trump-i-will-release-tax-r
eturns-607836227723
Why seeing Trump’s tax returns really matters.
Trump made an offhand remark at the first presidential debate that made people wonder if the real estate tycoon pays any tax at all. But that’s just one part of the equation. David Cay Johnston joins economics correspondent Paul Solman to make sense of Trump's taxes and why it matters.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Basically, your videos say this: Trump was never charged with doing anything illegal, and nothing he's done regarding his returns is illegal. But since he won't show them, he must be guilty.
By that logic, Hillary is guilty because she forensically scrubbed 33,000 "private" emails off of her private server after being ordered to retain them. (And that's not even counting the fact that she wasn't supposed to be using a private server for government business.)
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:1kiki, at Frys the employee standing at the exit wants to see a receipt and compare it to the merchandise in the shopping bag. Trump is the "customer" who refuses to show store security his receipt. It would be proper to treat Trump as a thief, especially if he runs out the door or shouts about his rights. Frys Security suspects Trump is a shoplifter and all without the proof until they knock Trump down in the parking lot, sit on him, and then check if he paid.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Basically, your videos say this: Trump was never charged with doing anything illegal, and nothing he's done regarding his returns is illegal. But since he won't show them, he must be guilty.
There would be less drama at Frys if only Trump would show his receipt. But no. Trump has to turn everything into a multiyear standoff involving the local police in Frys parking lot rather than a 10 second transaction at the exit door. And all because Trump won't show his receipt like every other customer and like every other Presidential Candidate.
Here is something sneaky and self-serving that Trump did on Saturday to make it appear as if he is innocent:
In a series of blistering tweets Saturday, President Trump falsely asserted that the House Intelligence Committee has concluded there was no collusion between his presidential campaign and Russia.
Mr. Trump in his tweets lashed out at his perceived foes tied to the Russia investigation and exulted in the firing of FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, once a leader of the bureau's investigation into Hillary Clinton's email practices. The FBI's decision not to pursue criminal charges against Clinton infuriated Trump at the time, and still does.
TRUMP: "As the House Intelligence Committee has concluded, there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump Campaign. As many are now finding out, however, there was tremendous leaking, lying and corruption at the highest levels of the FBI, Justice & State." -- tweet.
THE FACTS: He's wrong. That conclusion came from Republicans on the committee; it was not a committee finding. Democrats on the committee sharply dispute the Republican conclusions and will issue their own.
Whatever the findings of the committee, special counsel Robert Mueller is leading the key investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and Russian contacts with the Trump campaign. The probe has produced a number of charges and convictions, none to date alleging criminal collusion. But Mueller continues to explore whether collusion occurred and whether Mr. Trump or others may have obstructed justice.
Mr. Trump did not specify what he meant in accusing the agencies of corruption. McCabe was fired in advance of an inspector general's report that's expected to conclude he was not forthcoming about matters related to the FBI investigation of Clinton's emails.
www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-russia-collusion-fact-check-wrong-on-collus
ion-claim/
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House Intelligence Committee releases report showing there was No Collusion or Cooperation with Russia.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/house-committee-relea
ses-verdict-russia-probe-no-collusion
https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=873
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Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Originally posted by second:
1kiki, at Frys the employee standing at the exit wants to see a receipt and compare it to the merchandise in the shopping bag.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Trump is the "customer" who refuses to show store security his receipt.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
It would be proper to treat Trump as a thief, especially if he runs out the door or shouts about his rights.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Frys Security suspects Trump is a shoplifter and all without the proof until they knock Trump down in the parking lot, sit on him, and then check if he paid.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
There would be less drama at Frys if only Trump would show his receipt.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
But no.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Trump has to turn everything into a multiyear standoff involving the local police in Frys parking lot rather than a 10 second transaction at the exit door.
Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
And all because Trump won't show his receipt like every other customer and like every other Presidential Candidate.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:I am not so sure second can handle all that truth and fact.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Originally posted by second:
1kiki, at Frys the employee standing at the exit wants to see a receipt and compare it to the merchandise in the shopping bag.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Trump is the "customer" who refuses to show store security his receipt.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
It would be proper to treat Trump as a thief, especially if he runs out the door or shouts about his rights.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Frys Security suspects Trump is a shoplifter and all without the proof until they knock Trump down in the parking lot, sit on him, and then check if he paid.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
There would be less drama at Frys if only Trump would show his receipt.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
But no.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
Trump has to turn everything into a multiyear standoff involving the local police in Frys parking lot rather than a 10 second transaction at the exit door.Quote:The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
And all because Trump won't show his receipt like every other customer and like every other Presidential Candidate.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The IRS - the relevant body legally charged with checking the 'receipt', not only has seen it, but has it in its possession.
I've been saying this since the beginning.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up
-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer
Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0, the supposed lone hacker of Democratic National Committee emails, as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow.
On one occasion, Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. As a result, he left a real, Moscow-based Internet Protocol address in the server logs of an American social media company, according to a source familiar with the government’s Guccifer investigation.
Trump confidante Roger Stone has admitted to conversations with Guccifer 2.0. Did Stone know that he was a GRU agent? I’ll bet Robert Mueller is trying to find out.
I will also bet Mueller wants to see Trump's income tax returns, but has not yet.
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Originally posted by second:
www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up
-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer
Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0, the supposed lone hacker of Democratic National Committee emails, as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow.
On one occasion, Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. As a result, he left a real, Moscow-based Internet Protocol address in the server logs of an American social media company, according to a source familiar with the government’s Guccifer investigation.
Trump confidante Roger Stone has admitted to conversations with Guccifer 2.0. Did Stone know that he was a GRU agent? I’ll bet Robert Mueller is trying to find out.
I will also bet Mueller wants to see Trump's income tax returns, but has not yet.
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lol. The government knows where you're coming from even if you use a VPN.
I wonder how much of the rest of this story isn't true.
I will say that Roger Stone definitely did have conversations with Guccifer 2.0. I heard him say so himself, months before the election.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:As the story said: Guccifer was connecting through an anonymizing service called Elite VPN, a virtual private networking service that had an exit point in France but was headquartered in Russia. But on one occasion, Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. It is a big deal to go from knowing only that Guccifer is somewhere in Eurasia to knowing Guccifer's street address and office cubical number in Moscow. Mueller has already indicted a dozen Russians by their real names. Guccifer could be next. Obviously, Putin will once again say that he will never extradite Guccifer.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. The government knows where you're coming from even if you use a VPN.
I wonder how much of the rest of this story isn't true.
I will say that Roger Stone definitely did have conversations with Guccifer 2.0. I heard him say so himself, months before the election.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/04/vladimir-putin-never-extradite
-13-russians-robert-mueller
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:As the story said: Guccifer was connecting through an anonymizing service called Elite VPN, a virtual private networking service that had an exit point in France but was headquartered in Russia. But on one occasion, Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. It is a big deal to go from knowing only that Guccifer is somewhere in Eurasia to knowing Guccifer's street address and office cubical number in Moscow. Mueller has already indicted a dozen Russians by their real names. Guccifer could be next. Obviously, Putin will once again say that he will never extradite Guccifer.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. The government knows where you're coming from even if you use a VPN.
I wonder how much of the rest of this story isn't true.
I will say that Roger Stone definitely did have conversations with Guccifer 2.0. I heard him say so himself, months before the election.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/04/vladimir-putin-never-extradite
-13-russians-robert-mueller
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Where's the "proof" that he failed to use the VPN on that single instance?
Perhaps the VPN just spoofed a Russian address that particular time?
I'm not sure you understand what a VPN is or what it claims to do. Just because the one he is using is headquartered in Russia doesn't mean that he's from Russia. I could sign up for a VPN headquartered in Zimbabwe today if I so wanted to.
The fact is, a VPN won't hide you from Big Brother.
All it really allows you to do is be more anonymous from casual users like you and I. It's good for getting back into things like Vimeo or Reddit or Discord if you've been given a permanent IP ban. The CIA already knew where Guccifer 2.0 was posting from many, many months ago even if he had his VPN turned on every time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It is like the story about where is the proof that Putin shot down Flight MH17 with a Russian-built Buk missile?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Where's the "proof" that he failed to use the VPN on that single instance?
Perhaps the VPN just spoofed a Russian address that particular time?
I'm not sure you understand what a VPN is or what it claims to do. Just because the one he is using is headquartered in Russia doesn't mean that he's from Russia. I could sign up for a VPN headquartered in Zimbabwe today if I so wanted to.
The fact is, a VPN won't hide you from Big Brother.
All it really allows you to do is be more anonymous from casual users like you and I. It's good for getting back into things like Vimeo or Reddit or Discord if you've been given a permanent IP ban. The CIA already knew where Guccifer 2.0 was posting from many, many months ago even if he had his VPN turned on every time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-mh17/flight-mh17-shot-down-b
y-russian-built-buk-missile-dutch-report-says-idUSKCN0S71C820151013
Putin started by saying no plane was shot down with a Russian weapon, but if one was, he was very sorry that Ukraine would do such a thing. Then he went to saying Russians didn’t shoot it down. Then he went to saying he didn’t order it shot down and you can’t prove he did, so there! Then Putin stuck his tongue out, daring anybody to shoot him dead.
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It's nothing like that.
It's stories about tech, that isn't really all that complicated, being told to a bunch of luddites who don't know anything about computers other than how to turn them on and go to Facebook.
The story, as it is told, makes no sense. But if you don't know anything about computers or networking you don't even know that it doesn't make any sense.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, nothing makes sense when you don't want to understand, does it? With Flight MH17, Putin denied all evidence that he was involved with claims of 'fake news' and 'where's the evidence I gave the order?' Trump is doing the same as Putin, but with a hundred times more frequency and a thousand times less dignity. Putin could not fire the Dutch investigators of MH17, who worked for a year and a half, but Trump can fire Mueller and his investigators, who haven't worked for even a year on a case more complicated than a missile hitting a plane. The only thing stopping Trump from ending the search for evidence, call the evidence pieces of wreckage, is the consequences to Trump in the next election.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's nothing like that.
It's stories about tech, that isn't really all that complicated, being told to a bunch of luddites who don't know anything about computers other than how to turn them on and go to Facebook.
The story, as it is told, makes no sense. But if you don't know anything about computers or networking you don't even know that it doesn't make any sense.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Civil_cases
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Stop changing the subject.
The tech story is bullshit. Unless you have anything to say regarding why I'm wrong about that, then we're done talking about it.
You don't, and there is no way that you can, so we are done.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: "The government knows where you're coming from even if you use a VPN."
Not likely. More like they could get a subpoena to get the logs from the VPN service IF they keep them. Some don't, or at least claim they don't. That's kind of the whole point of a vpn - as I'm sure you know - is to remain invisible on the 'net, so that's why many providers feature "no logs." Guccifer is savvy enough to have ways to surf well concealed vpn or not. I agree that suggesting he might have accidentally forgot to log in sounds like a stretch, but still plausible.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: "Where's the "proof" that he failed to use the VPN on that single instance?"
Could be they tracked his 'net activity such as posts online, etc., to specific accounts but always got different ips, and then oops - a Russian ip pops up from a known location. We'll never know of course, not with absolute certainty.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: "Perhaps the VPN just spoofed a Russian address that particular time?"
VPN providers (if he didn't use his own which is a big question) typically have their own servers and I highly suspect even if they didn't, that NONE of them would ever use ANY Russian ips - not in this day and age. There's anonymous and there's anonymous but stupid.
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Quote:6ix, you did not even click the links before you started spouting denials. You don't truthfully know what you are pretending to know. And then you get all puffed up with pride in yourself, which is more than a bit like Trump and Putin. Nothing you three say can be trusted based only on your words. And I never changed the true subject: Big men like Putin and Trump being uncooperative, obstructive, and dishonest. They tell make believe stories about themselves and try to prevent investigations from being completed. They don't need itty-bitty 6ix's help or encouragement to do this since it comes natural to them. That's how they got to their lofty positions.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stop changing the subject.
The tech story is bullshit. Unless you have anything to say regarding why I'm wrong about that, then we're done talking about it.
You don't, and there is no way that you can, so we are done.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Well, the subject is Still No Evidence of Trump Russia Collusion, and second does not want to face that fact.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stop changing the subject.
The tech story is bullshit. Unless you have anything to say regarding why I'm wrong about that, then we're done talking about it.
You don't, and there is no way that you can, so we are done.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
MH17, and Hilliary's emails, and Uranium One, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS scandal, are all Democrap catastrophes - but Libtards must gloss over all of them to focus on the nonexistent.
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Quote:Speaking of which, how is it that Lerner has already spent years digging through Tax returns of Republicans, yet Mueller claims To Trump's aren't in his lap already? Did Lois miss one? Or is Mueller merely still looking for Dem scandals to cover up? His team of "Investigators" certainly knows where to find these scandals - they were complicit in them.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well, the subject is Still No Evidence of Trump Russia Collusion, and second does not want to face that fact.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stop changing the subject.
The tech story is bullshit. Unless you have anything to say regarding why I'm wrong about that, then we're done talking about it.
You don't, and there is no way that you can, so we are done.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
MH17, and Hilliary's emails, and Uranium One, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS scandal, are all Democrap catastrophes - but Libtards must gloss over all of them to focus on the nonexistent.
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“Hypothetically, a president could be hallucinating and running on the White House lawn buck naked, screaming ‘Bring me my nuclear codes!’ and the new rule would continue to gag professionals from speaking up,” said Howard Covitz, a Philadelphia psychoanalyst and former director of the Institute for Psychoanalysis and Psychotherapy, pointing out that the Goldwater Rule, as it now stands, has no limits.
Notwithstanding the above, when asked if he had ever seen or heard a candidate for the presidency who was as grandiose in stating his unique self-importance, Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, chairman of psychiatry at Columbia University’s medical school said: “Not in an American candidate.” Asked what world leaders might match Trump for mania, internationally or historically, he offered only two competitors: Italy’s hyper-narcissistic former president, Silvio Berlusconi, and the fascist Benito Mussolini.
“Manic personalities are imbued with a sense of self-importance, grandiosity, and mission,” Dr. Lieberman said. Dr. Lieberman elaborated on the fragmented thinking process of a person suffering from mania. They jump from subject to subject, not following a line of logical reasoning, no thematic consistency. They need less sleep, or don’t sleep at all.
The average person doesn’t need a Ph.D. to peg Trump in ordinary words as “a raging, overbearing, egotistical, obnoxious boor,” as professor Lieberman observed. But what goes on in the brain of a manic temperament is more dangerous than just obnoxious. “There is a biochemical disturbance in a part of their brain that involves regulating moods,” Lieberman said. “Instead of being able to re-stabilize a highly emotional state, they remain in a period of excess. That state can persist for days, weeks, or even months.”
This sounds like a dead ringer description of the state of Trump’s mind in recent months as he sleeps less and tweets more—up to as many as a dozen times a day—to create a perpetual disarray in government and a constant distraction from what he most fears.
How Close Is Donald Trump to a Psychiatric Breakdown?
www.thedailybeast.com/how-close-is-donald-trump-to-a-psychiatric-break
down
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Quote:Speaking of which, Trump has repeatedly been asked to make his tax returns publicly available, as do all Presidential candidates. Before election, he was going to, but not today, maybe tomorrow. After election, he has never given a sane answer to why the returns must be secret. Speculation is that Trump is either insane or a tax-cheating, Russian-bribe-taking criminal, which is a perfectly sane reason to keep his returns a big, fat secret.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Speaking of which, how is it that Lerner has already spent years digging through Tax returns of Republicans, yet Mueller claims To Trump's aren't in his lap already? Did Lois miss one? Or is Mueller merely still looking for Dem scandals to cover up? His team of "Investigators" certainly knows where to find these scandals - they were complicit in them.
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Quote:Speaking of which, Clinton has repeatedly been asked to make his health record available for professional review, as do all Presidential candidates. Speculation is that BJ Clinton is insane from syphilis.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Speaking of which, Trump has repeatedly been asked to make his tax returns publicly available, as do all Presidential candidates. Before election, he was going to, but not today, maybe tomorrow. After election, he has never given a sane answer to why the returns must be secret. Speculation is that Trump is either insane
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Speaking of which, how is it that Lerner has already spent years digging through Tax returns of Republicans, yet Mueller claims To Trump's aren't in his lap already? Did Lois miss one? Or is Mueller merely still looking for Dem scandals to cover up? His team of "Investigators" certainly knows where to find these scandals - they were complicit in them.
Speaking of which, Obama has repeatedly been asked to make his Birth Certificate publicly available, as do all Presidential candidates. Only after enough years for CIA document forgers to fabricate an adequate facsimile was one presented.
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Quote:Trump said he was releasing his tax returns, starting at 1 minute, 25 sec. Then he didn't.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Speaking of which, Obama has repeatedly been asked to make his Birth Certificate publicly available, as do all Presidential candidates. Only after enough years for CIA document forgers to fabricate an adequate facsimile was one presented.
Trump: "Obama was born in the United States. Period."
But before Trump said, "Obama was born in the United States. Period," Trump was saying the opposite:
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Former President Jimmy Carter told CBS' "Sunday Morning" that, regardless of whether Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the U.S. election should uncover evidence of law-breaking on the part of the president, he would prefer President Donald Trump not be impeached.
"You know, I have confidence in the American system of government," he told "Sunday Morning" host Jane Pauley. "I think ultimately the restraints on a president from the Congress and from the Supreme Court will be adequate to protect our nation, if he serves a full term."
"And I think he will serve a full term unless the special investigator, Mr. Mueller, brings some criminal charges against him."
"What do you think the odds of that are?" asked Pauley.
"I don't have any idea," Mr. Carter replied. "I think Mueller's been very successful in keeping his cards close to his vest and not revealing any plans. But my wish is that Mr. Mueller would go ahead and make a decision, even if it's not anything personally that President Trump has done to violate the law; then I think he ought to make that obvious. And if he has violated the law, that ought to be revealed as well."
"But my own preference would be that he not be impeached, but that he be able to serve out his term, because I think he wants to do a good job. And I'm willing to help him, if I can help him, and give him the benefit of the doubt."
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jimmy-carter-my-preference-would-be-th
at-trump-not-be-impeached/ar-BBKG9OZ?ocid=spartandhp
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Originally posted by second:
"But my own preference would be that he not be impeached, but that he be able to serve out his term, because I think he wants to do a good job. And I'm willing to help him, if I can help him, and give him the benefit of the doubt."
I should have more respect for the elderly, but having been around so many for so many years all I can think of is: what a sap.
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Quote:I think I'm with Carter on this, but my reasons are cruder than his.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"But my own preference would be that he not be impeached, but that he be able to serve out his term, because I think he wants to do a good job. And I'm willing to help him, if I can help him, and give him the benefit of the doubt."
I should have more respect for the elderly, but having been around so many for so many years all I can think of is: what a sap.
If Trump is impeached and removed, which will require the extremely unlikely cooperation of the GOP, Mike Pence will pardon him of everything for all eternity. Trump won't get the jail time he probably deserves. If Trump fulfills his term, he will likely be replaced by a Democrat, who will hopefully not be foolish enough to pardon Trump. Without a pardon from the next President, Trump will spend the rest of his life fighting charges that Robert Mueller brings against him. Probably the first fight will be over the constitutionality of Trump pardoning himself on his last day in office in 2021. I believe Trump will lose that fight, but he will take it all the way to the Supreme Court, thus delaying for years him getting the brutal justice he deserves.
I'm not sure what felony, if any, Trump has committed, but I'd bet on billions, not millions, of dollars worth in tax evasion. That's why he so secretive about his tax returns and why he declared that Mueller must not investigate the Trump companies.
All I can tell for now is that Trump is one dizzy, flaky, crooked loudmouth, while Pence could be seriously capable of doing more harm to America than Trump will do on his best day. (or is it his worst day?)
Just having Trump in the White House might be good for the Democrats. More of them will probably show up to vote in 2018 and 2020 just because Trump is such a fat-ass fool. If nice, calm, competent Pence is President, the Democrats will probably stay home, while the angry, vengeful Republicans will have their biggest turnout of the century, trying to destroy the Democrats for removing Trump.
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Any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
That Trump will not share his tax returns is evidence that he committed felony tax evasion. If 1kiki wasn't such a fucking idiot, she'd know that about the 1 Percenters and their lawlessness. They do have tax returns, but their tax returns are full of lies and misdirection. The IRS can't catch them because its auditing budget is kept small by the GOP Congressmen. Robert Mueller will be able to get around the restrictions on auditing Trump because Mueller's budget is not attached to the IRS budget for tax audits.
In the United States, the IRS estimate of the 2001 tax gap was $345 billion. For 2006, the tax gap is estimated to be $450 billion. A more recent study estimates the 2008 tax gap in the range of $450 to $500 billion, and unreported income to be approximately $2 trillion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States
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You have a very scrambled notion of 'evidence'. Aside from conjecture, to complete your ignorance I suggest you also include fiction, gossip and claims as well.
Any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:That Trump will not share his tax returns is evidence that he committed felony tax evasion. If 1kiki wasn't such a fucking idiot, she'd know that about the 1 Percenters and their lawlessness. They do have tax returns, but their tax returns are full of lies and misdirection. The IRS can't catch them because its auditing budget is kept small by the GOP Congressmen. Robert Mueller will be able to get around the restrictions on auditing Trump because Mueller's budget is not attached to the IRS budget for tax audits.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
In the United States, the IRS estimate of the 2001 tax gap was $345 billion. For 2006, the tax gap is estimated to be $450 billion. A more recent study estimates the 2008 tax gap in the range of $450 to $500 billion, and unreported income to be approximately $2 trillion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States
That Obama did not share his Birth Certificate before being sworn in proves he defrauded the Government as a candidate unqualified for the office.
That Clinton did not share his Medical Records proves his dementia from syphillis rendered him unqualified for the office.
Still No Evidence of Trump!! Russia!! Collusion!! Yet?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You have a very scrambled notion of 'evidence'. Aside from conjecture, to complete your ignorance I suggest you also include fiction, gossip and claims as well.
Any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
The way things are going now, the GOP Congress does not care to know what the Truth is about Trump. They could force it out of him, if only they would use their subpoena power. Not gonna happen.
1kiki, politics is not scientific discovery. If it was, the politicians in Congress would turn the President over to scientists who would strap Trump to an electric chair like he was a big monkey in an experiment and they'd zap the hell out of him every time he gave an answer that can't be verified by looking at his tax returns. Trump has a low pain threshold. Pretty damn quick we would get to either the Truth or Trump dead from a heart attack and Mike Pence would be the next President. I'd prefer the Truth over Prez Pence.
Trump is pro-torture, which makes torturing Trump perfectly justifiable for Congress. He says it works, so let it work on him.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-torture/514463/
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Not only do you have a fictional notion about evidence, you have strange, Mengele ideas about science. As for subpoenas, your hero Mueller holds that power, which, to date, he's refused to exercise for some strange reason. Mueller may not be the truth-seeker you're looking for.
Meanwhile, any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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All of the Russian diplomats expelled by the West over the UK spy poisoning scandal
https://qz.com/1237419/the-us-expelled-60-russian-diplomats-alongside-
15-european-countries/
Oops
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Quote:Can you not read? Can you not comprehend? What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
Originally posted by THGRRI:
All of the Russian diplomats expelled by the West over the UK spy poisoning scandal
https://qz.com/1237419/the-us-expelled-60-russian-diplomats-alongside-
15-european-countries/
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Obviously, Still No Evidence.
For those not following, this thread was posted after the original got shitted up by Libtards, which itself was posted as a summary of pertinent info from the thread they also shitted up.
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This is slightly off the topic of No Evidence, but doesn't really fit in the shitted-up opposite threads.
Perhaps it should be a separate thread.
Sounds like Manafort's lawyers are pursuing a legal challenge which should have been done long ago.
AG Sessions, Appointed and Confirmed by Senate, recused himself soley and specifically on the subject of Trump-Russia Collusion.
He appointed Deputy AG Rosenstein (not a Cabinet Member or Line-of-Succession Office) to appoint a Special Counsel for the specific issue which Sessions recused himself.
Rosenstein, acting AG for this sole specific subject, appointed Mueller and has clearly stated several times that any expansion of Investigation must be approved by himself, Rosenstein.
Either Mueller has secured the approval from Rosenstein on each expanded Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition, or Mueller did such without approval and Rosenstein neglected and failed to corral him in, failing to curtail the ever widening Witch Hunt into areas which the actual AG Sessions never refused himself from.
Thus, Rosenstein has effectively annointed himself defacto AG, outside of his Constitutional Authority.
So nothing Mueller has Investigated, outside of nonexistent Trump-Russia Collusion, or brought charges for (none of which is related to Trump-Russia Collusion) has any merit or Authority.
Sessions had recused himself specifically from the Trump-Russia Collusion Investigation because he had been an advisor and surrogate for the 2016 Trump Campaign. He did not recuse himself from any tax or IRS matter, or any business dealings from before the campaign, or any misstatements uttered by subordinates, or anything that the SC has filed charges about, or convened Grand Juries about.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So nothing Mueller has Investigated, outside of nonexistent Trump-Russia Collusion, or brought charges for (none of which is related to Trump-Russia Collusion) has any merit or Authority.
I'll admit that it's over my head what you are saying here.
Is this an idea that dawned on you while you were sleeping one night, or do you have some citations for this stuff?
That would be great if this was proven as a lot of high profile government people could be jailed for it, but at the same time I'd like this thing to go to fruition now. A lot of time and taxpayer dollars have been poured into it, and simply killing the investigation over technicalities like this, or just replacing them with people who will do whatever Trump says is not really an option.
Remember. Anything that Trump "gets away with" now is going to be something that the next Democratic President can get away with in the future.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:This is from Manafort's lawyers, I presume some Legal Documents filed, likely with SCOTUS, being a Constitutional violation.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I'll admit that it's over my head what you are saying here.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So nothing Mueller has Investigated, outside of nonexistent Trump-Russia Collusion, or brought charges for (none of which is related to Trump-Russia Collusion) has any merit or Authority.
Is this an idea that dawned on you while you were sleeping one night, or do you have some citations for this stuff?
That would be great if this was proven as a lot of high profile government people could be jailed for it, but at the same time I'd like this thing to go to fruition now. A lot of time and taxpayer dollars have been poured into it, and simply killing the investigation over technicalities like this, or just replacing them with people who will do whatever Trump says is not really an option.
Remember. Anything that Trump "gets away with" now is going to be something that the next Democratic President can get away with in the future.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Lawyer Kevin Downing.
Using search terms "Manafort lawyers file supreme court" at DuckDuckGo produced some results. The ones dated 27 March look right.
Feel free to post some linkies if you can.
Remember, anything that Mueller gets away with now is going to be something that the next dirty filthy crooked weasel can get away with in the future.
And the massive waste of time and taxdollars spent, mostly outside the purview and mandate, won't be wasted the next time if it is adequately and rightly squashed this time.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is from Manafort's lawyers, I presume some Legal Documents filed, likely with SCOTUS, being a Constitutional violation.
Lawyer Kevin Downing.
Using search terms "Manafort lawyers file supreme court" at DuckDuckGo produced some results. The ones dated 27 March look right.
Feel free to post some linkies if you can.
Remember, anything that Mueller gets away with now is going to be something that the next dirty filthy crooked weasel can get away with in the future.
And the massive waste of time and taxdollars spent, mostly outside the purview and mandate, won't be wasted the next time if it is adequately and rightly squashed this time.
Oh... you can bet I'm not arguing that any of the crooks here shouldn't go down. I'm all for sending a message about trying this again if it's not on the complete up and up if it is determined that laws were broken.
That being said, at this point a legitimate investigation needs to take place. Ending it now or sticking in cronies that are just going to cover things up won't do Trump or the Republican party any good, and will set a precedent that says it's okay for these people in high offices to do whatever the fuck they want.
I'm not even convinced that Trump didn't do something bad. I don't really think he did because of the sources the allegations are coming from, but it's always possible.
It would be nice to know one way or another at some point in our lifetimes. Preferably today or tomorrow at the latest.
Fucking bureaucratic incompetence.
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Quote:Well, if you insist upon every Jaywalking violation and littering citation of every person who was the assistant to the Deputy aide of Trump's cousin being tracked down, then you are effectively saying that you want all of Hilliary's and Obama's crimes to be ignored, with no further resources expended.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Oh... you can bet I'm not arguing that any of the crooks here shouldn't go down. I'm all for sending a message about trying this again if it's not on the complete up and up if it is determined that laws were broken.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is from Manafort's lawyers, I presume some Legal Documents filed, likely with SCOTUS, being a Constitutional violation.
Lawyer Kevin Downing.
Using search terms "Manafort lawyers file supreme court" at DuckDuckGo produced some results. The ones dated 27 March look right.
Feel free to post some linkies if you can.
Remember, anything that Mueller gets away with now is going to be something that the next dirty filthy crooked weasel can get away with in the future.
And the massive waste of time and taxdollars spent, mostly outside the purview and mandate, won't be wasted the next time if it is adequately and rightly squashed this time.
That being said, at this point a legitimate investigation needs to take place. Ending it now or sticking in cronies that are just going to cover things up won't do Trump or the Republican party any good, and will set a precedent that says it's okay for these people in high offices to do whatever the fuck they want.
I'm not even convinced that Trump didn't do something bad. I don't really think he did because of the sources the allegations are coming from, but it's always possible.
It would be nice to know one way or another at some point in our lifetimes. Preferably today or tomorrow at the latest.
Fucking bureaucratic incompetence.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Well, if you insist upon every Jaywalking violation and littering citation of every person who was the assistant to the Deputy aide of Trump's cousin being tracked down, then you are effectively saying that you want all of Hilliary's and Obama's crimes to be ignored, with no further resources expended.
No. I didn't.
There is no reason these two things need to be mutually exclusive.
They have more than enough employees and our tax dollars to do the job. If they can't do the fucking jobs they're paid good money and nice pensions to get done, then they should be fired.
Fucking government employees are worthless at every level. They'd never make it in the private sector.
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Quote:But MSM cannot manage both. Once the Jaywalking bystander is covered intensely 24/7, then Kardashians, King James, Twin Chains, and psychotropic drugged Spree Killers fill the rest of attention span - no room for checking on Actual crimes.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:No. I didn't.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Well, if you insist upon every Jaywalking violation and littering citation of every person who was the assistant to the Deputy aide of Trump's cousin being tracked down, then you are effectively saying that you want all of Hilliary's and Obama's crimes to be ignored, with no further resources expended.
There is no reason these two things need to be mutually exclusive.
They have more than enough employees and our tax dollars to do the job. If they can't do the fucking jobs they're paid good money and nice pensions to get done, then they should be fired.
Fucking government employees are worthless at every level. They'd never make it in the private sector.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:A little correction or added info.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is slightly off the topic of No Evidence, but doesn't really fit in the shitted-up opposite threads.
Perhaps it should be a separate thread.
Sounds like Manafort's lawyers are pursuing a legal challenge which should have been done long ago.
AG Sessions, Appointed and Confirmed by Senate, recused himself soley and specifically on the subject of Trump-Russia Collusion.
He appointed Deputy AG Rosenstein (not a Cabinet Member or Line-of-Succession Office) to appoint a Special Counsel for the specific issue which Sessions recused himself.
Rosenstein, acting AG for this sole specific subject, appointed Mueller and has clearly stated several times that any expansion of Investigation must be approved by himself, Rosenstein.
Either Mueller has secured the approval from Rosenstein on each expanded Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition, or Mueller did such without approval and Rosenstein neglected and failed to corral him in, failing to curtail the ever widening Witch Hunt into areas which the actual AG Sessions never refused himself from.
Thus, Rosenstein has effectively annointed himself defacto AG, outside of his Constitutional Authority.
So nothing Mueller has Investigated, outside of nonexistent Trump-Russia Collusion, or brought charges for (none of which is related to Trump-Russia Collusion) has any merit or Authority.
Sessions had recused himself specifically from the Trump-Russia Collusion Investigation because he had been an advisor and surrogate for the 2016 Trump Campaign. He did not recuse himself from any tax or IRS matter, or any business dealings from before the campaign, or any misstatements uttered by subordinates, or anything that the SC has filed charges about, or convened Grand Juries about.
The Manafort charges stem from February 2014 (which Sessions did not recuse himself from), when nobody - including FBI - filed any charges at that time, or until 4 years later under a separate Investigation. Only the highly partisan Mueller chose to dig for excuses to continue and expand his Witch Hunt. Perhaps he can next bring charges in the JFK Assassination.
At the time of that interview, Manafort was under the Virginia Court District, but Mueller operates under the Washington District(which gifts him anything he wants). By having 2 different Federal Judges ruling opposite, the lawyers hope to appeal the issue to SCOTUS.
The filing points out that Mueller's Investigation has become unmoored from the limited Authority which was Granted him to initiate an Investigation on a subject he is no longer focusing on.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:But MSM cannot manage both. Once the Jaywalking bystander is covered intensely 24/7, then Kardashians, King James, Twin Chains, and psychotropic drugged Spree Killers fill the rest of attention span - no room for checking on Actual crimes.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:No. I didn't.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Well, if you insist upon every Jaywalking violation and littering citation of every person who was the assistant to the Deputy aide of Trump's cousin being tracked down, then you are effectively saying that you want all of Hilliary's and Obama's crimes to be ignored, with no further resources expended.
There is no reason these two things need to be mutually exclusive.
They have more than enough employees and our tax dollars to do the job. If they can't do the fucking jobs they're paid good money and nice pensions to get done, then they should be fired.
Fucking government employees are worthless at every level. They'd never make it in the private sector.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yeah. I was thinking that after I posted actually.
Not only can't the MSM handle both concurrently, but I don't think most Americans with the attention spans of gnats can.
For instance. Russia, Russia, Russia. And those damn fine children that are so much more emotionally mature that we were at their age.
But why the hell have gas prices risen 50 cents in the last two weeks? Don't hear nobody talking about that one at all. Had to look this up
https://www.kiplinger.com/article/business/T019-C000-S010-energy-price
-forecast.html
At least the forecast is that it shouldn't jump up much more by mid summer. But get used to the price that you're seeing at the pump now.
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Quote:There is no need to check back here at an insignificant website because the Robert Mueller Report, full of the evidence you crave, will be widely announced all over the Internet. There are only two sources of evidence on Trump/Russia:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Not only do you have a fictional notion about evidence, you have strange, Mengele ideas about science. As for subpoenas, your hero Mueller holds that power, which, to date, he's refused to exercise for some strange reason. Mueller may not be the truth-seeker you're looking for.
Meanwhile, any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
#1) Ask Trump about Trump/Russia. If anybody knows, it is him, but he has given the same silly "non-evidence" many times by tweeting "No Collusion". Trump will never give believable evidence until he is placed under serious, life-threatening duress. Sadly, the Secret Service won't let that happen. So, we have to get evidence from:
#2) Ask Robert Mueller about Trump/Russia. Mueller is gathering second- and third-hand evidence by asking everybody, including Trump, to tell him about Trump/Russia. Mueller has to use duress on some of his second-hand sources to get them to talk. Happily, the Secret Service is not protecting most of those sources.
For now Mueller has not yet leaked a report about Trump/Russia. Every time 1kiki or JewelStaiteFan writes "No Evidence" what they should write is "No Mueller Report has been issued". Trump is doing what he can (see point #1) to make sure point #2 never happens.
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You repeatedly misrepresent what I post. And then spend post after post arguing - not with me - but with the voices in your head. Well, I'm sure you do a better job arguing in the fantasy land you create. But this is REAL WORLD EVENTS.
Why don't you take this opportunity and try and figure out (if you can) where you go so wrong?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You repeatedly misrepresent what I post. And then spend post after post arguing - not with me - but with the voices in your head. Well, I'm sure you do a better job arguing in the fantasy land you create. But this is REAL WORLD EVENTS.
Why don't you take this opportunity and try and figure out (if you can) where you go so wrong?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
lol. yup.
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Quote:There is no need to check back here at an insignificant website because the Robert Mueller Report, full of the evidence you crave, will be widely announced all over the Internet. There are only two sources of evidence on Trump/Russia:
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Not only do you have a fictional notion about evidence, you have strange, Mengele ideas about science. As for subpoenas, your hero Mueller holds that power, which, to date, he's refused to exercise for some strange reason. Mueller may not be the truth-seeker you're looking for.
Meanwhile, any evidence yet?
Nope.
I'll be checking back later.
#1) Ask Trump about Trump/Russia. If anybody knows, it is him, but he has given the same silly "non-evidence" many times by tweeting "No Collusion". Trump will never give believable evidence until he is placed under serious, life-threatening duress. Sadly, the Secret Service won't let that happen. So, we have to get evidence from:
#2) Ask Robert Mueller about Trump/Russia. Mueller is gathering second- and third-hand evidence by asking everybody, including Trump, to tell him about Trump/Russia. Mueller has to use duress on some of his second-hand sources to get them to talk. Happily, the Secret Service is not protecting most of those sources.
For now Mueller has not yet leaked a report about Trump/Russia. Every time 1kiki or JewelStaiteFan writes "No Evidence" what they should write is "No Mueller Report has been issued". Trump is doing what he can (see point #1) to make sure point #2 never happens.
Roger Stone’s growing Russia investigation problem — and what it means for Trump
Now the Wall Street Journal has the email in which Stone claimed to Nunberg that he had met with Assange. “I dined with Julian Assange last night,” Stone wrote to Nunberg on Aug. 4, 2016.
The timeline is pretty damning, and the alleged contacts seriously undermine Stone's denials of working with WikiLeaks. The email to Nunberg came three weeks before Stone tweeted that Podesta would soon experience his “time in the barrel.” (Weeks later, Podesta's emails were released by WikiLeaks.) The Post's recent report was the first clear suggestion he had advance knowledge of the Podesta emails.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roger-stone’s-growing-russia-i
nvestigation-problem-—-and-what-it-means-for-trump/ar-AAvohU2?ocid=spartanntp
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Quote:Looks to me you and I agree there is Still No Evidence.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You repeatedly misrepresent what I post. And then spend post after post arguing - not with me - but with the voices in your head. Well, I'm sure you do a better job arguing in the fantasy land you create. But this is REAL WORLD EVENTS.
Why don't you take this opportunity and try and figure out (if you can) where you go so wrong?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Roger Stone’s growing Russia investigation problem — and what it means for Trump
Now the Wall Street Journal has the email in which Stone claimed to Nunberg that he had met with Assange. “I dined with Julian Assange last night,” Stone wrote to Nunberg on Aug. 4, 2016.
Well I could tell you that Stone had involvement with Assange. No need to look any further than the Alex Jones show for him admitting that himself right around that time frame.
Do you have cites where Stone is denying that now? Because if he says he didn't than I'll back up the claim that he is lying about that.
Thanks for finally putting in the closing italics, btw.
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Quote:One minute of googling gives:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Roger Stone’s growing Russia investigation problem — and what it means for Trump
Now the Wall Street Journal has the email in which Stone claimed to Nunberg that he had met with Assange. “I dined with Julian Assange last night,” Stone wrote to Nunberg on Aug. 4, 2016.
Well I could tell you that Stone had involvement with Assange. No need to look any further than the Alex Jones show for him admitting that himself right around that time frame.
Do you have cites where Stone is denying that now? Because if he says he didn't than I'll back up the claim that he is lying about that.
Quote:www.cnn.com/2018/04/02/politics/roger-stone-wikileaks-meeting-special-
Stone said in an email on August 4, 2016, that he had "dined with Julian Assange last night." However, Stone has denied ever meeting Assange. In a text exchange on Friday before the WSJ report, Stone said he "never met or spoke with Assange ever," and Stone told The Journal the contents of the email were "said in jest."
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Roger Stone’s growing Russia investigation problem — and what it means for Trump
Now the Wall Street Journal has the email in which Stone claimed to Nunberg that he had met with Assange. “I dined with Julian Assange last night,” Stone wrote to Nunberg on Aug. 4, 2016.
Well I could tell you that Stone had involvement with Assange. No need to look any further than the Alex Jones show for him admitting that himself right around that time frame.
Do you have cites where Stone is denying that now? Because if he says he didn't than I'll back up the claim that he is lying about that.
Thanks for finally putting in the closing italics, btw.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Alex Jones, you watch Alex Jones, wow. That says it all.
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I did watch Alex Jones, back before the election. Back when I was drinking 150 beers a week. I never hid that from anybody. In fact, this is probably the third time that I've told YOU that Stone admitted to having discussions with Assange in his own words when you brought up somebody else saying it.
I don't give a shit what Google says, Second. You're just quoting some MSM story that I otherwise wouldn't believe if I hadn't heard Stone say it himself.
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Point taken Jack. More on Stone
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/mueller-looking-at-stone-claims-of-a
ssange-meeting-report-1200831043673
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Quote:Would you believe this story? Mueller Reportedly Tells Trump Lawyers the President Is Still Not a Criminal Target of Russia Investigation
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't give a shit what Google says, Second. You're just quoting some MSM story that I otherwise wouldn't believe if I hadn't heard Stone say it himself.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/mueller-reportedly-tells-t
rump-lawyers-president-still-not-a-criminal-target-of-russia-probe.html
And even if Trump was a criminal target: Several legal scholars and impeachment experts believe Mueller may conclude he does not have the authority to charge a sitting president with a crime under an opinion written by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel in 1973 and reaffirmed in 2000. If Mueller finds Trump engaged in criminal conduct, he could detail it in a report, experts argue, and let Congress to decide whether to launch impeachment proceedings based on Mueller’s findings.
I know what will happen to that report if the GOP controls Congress. The report goes into the trash can. It could be years waiting for a change of control in Congress before the public knows what was in the report. By then, it won't make any difference what Mueller wrote.
Quote:
One of the biggest obstacles to the Justice Department making public findings about the investigation is that Rosenstein has repeatedly said publicly that prosecutors should not discuss their reasons for not filing charges in a specific case, particularly when individuals are involved.
Indeed, the memo Rosenstein prepared last year that the White House initially seized upon to justify the firing of FBI Director James Comey sharply faulted him for publicly revealing and assessing the evidence found in the course of the probe into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email account while secretary of state.
"Derogatory information sometimes is disclosed in the course of criminal investigations and prosecutions, but we never release it gratuitously," Rosenstein wrote. "The Director [Comey] laid out his version of the facts for the news media as if it were a closing argument, but without a trial. It is a textbook example of what federal prosecutors and agents are taught not to do."
www.politico.com/story/2018/04/03/trump-mueller-russia-probe-500128
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I don't see any anonymous sources in that story.
I hope that answers your question.
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Quote:4 theories on what Mueller telling Trump he’s not a “target” means:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't see any anonymous sources in that story.
I hope that answers your question.
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Interpretation 1: take it at face value — Mueller has little on Trump, and that’s good news for the president
Interpretation 2: Mueller is straightforwardly describing where he is now — but that shouldn’t be too comforting for Trump
Interpretation 3: this is what Mueller wants Trump to think, for his own strategic reasons. In other words, Mueller wants Trump to voluntarily sit for an interview under oath
Interpretation #4: this is a statement of the obvious because Mueller can’t indict a sitting president. Only Congress can.
Is more than one interpretation true? Only Mueller knows and he is wisely not talking.
www.vox.com/2018/4/4/17197128/mueller-trump-target
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No reason anyone should put all their cards out on the table.
No real reason to speculate at this point either.
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Quote:It should have never turned into a competition, but Trump had to fire Comey because Comey was investigating the 2016 election. Then Trump threatened to fire Mueller, than threatened to fire Mueller's supervisor Rosenstein, then threatened to fire the supervisor's supervisor, Attorney General Sessions. Everybody has to keep Trump in the dark or else they will never finish investigating the 2016 election before they are either fired by Trump or the next election happens in 2020.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No reason anyone should put all their cards out on the table.
No real reason to speculate at this point either.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:It should have never turned into a competition, but Trump had to fire Comey because Comey was investigating the 2016 election. Then Trump threatened to fire Mueller, than threatened to fire Mueller's supervisor Rosenstein, then threatened to fire the supervisor's supervisor, Attorney General Sessions. Everybody has to keep Trump in the dark or else they will never finish investigating the 2016 election before they are either fired by Trump or the next election happens in 2020.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No reason anyone should put all their cards out on the table.
No real reason to speculate at this point either.
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You mean that they should do their jobs correctly?
I can't imagine a scenario where it's a good practice for the investigators to brief the prosecuted party every step of the way. Either directly or indirectly via the MSM.
What a shit show so far.
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Quote:The "prosecuted party" is being "briefed" every step of the investigation. Republican Congressional committees have forced Comey and Rosenstein and Sessions and Andrew McCabe, the fired #2 at the FBI, to testify about what they know about the investigation of the 2016 election. The Republicans have made it very clear they don't want that election investigated, but they also don't want the voters to see Congress and Trump give clear orders and job terminations making it perfectly obvious to the public why they want the investigation stopped.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:It should have never turned into a competition, but Trump had to fire Comey because Comey was investigating the 2016 election. Then Trump threatened to fire Mueller, than threatened to fire Mueller's supervisor Rosenstein, then threatened to fire the supervisor's supervisor, Attorney General Sessions. Everybody has to keep Trump in the dark or else they will never finish investigating the 2016 election before they are either fired by Trump or the next election happens in 2020.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No reason anyone should put all their cards out on the table.
No real reason to speculate at this point either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
You mean that they should do their jobs correctly?
I can't imagine a scenario where it's a good practice for the investigators to brief the prosecuted party every step of the way. Either directly or indirectly via the MSM.
What a shit show so far.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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It could happen to Trump:
South Korea’s former president is probably spending the rest of her life behind bars
Former South Korean president Park Geun-hye was today (April 6) sentenced to 24 years in prison for her role in a massive bribery and influence-peddling scandal. Whether the punishment fits the crime is likely to be hotly debated among Koreans for a long time.
A court in Seoul delivered the verdict in an almost two-hour-long televised trial, as the judge detailed each of the 18 charges leveled against Park including bribery and abuse of power, among others. Park, who has been boycotting the trial since October, did not appear in the courtroom. She was found guilty of 16 charges.
Park was impeached in late 2016 and then officially removed from office last year.
More at https://qz.com/1246383
Another test awaits Korea’s 30-year-old democracy — another former president is currently sitting in jail. Park’s predecessor Lee Myung-bak was arrested last month on corruption allegations. He has yet to be formally charged.
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Originally posted by second:
The "prosecuted party" is being "briefed" every step of the investigation. Republican Congressional committees have forced Comey and Rosenstein and Sessions and Andrew McCabe, the fired #2 at the FBI, to testify about what they know about the investigation of the 2016 election. The Republicans have made it very clear they don't want that election investigated, but they also don't want the voters to see Congress and Trump give clear orders and job terminations making it perfectly obvious to the public why they want the investigation stopped.
The only reason I don't buy your narrative is because it puts all the blame for bad politicians on the Republicans and none on the Democrats again.
The last time I checked, most Republican politicians are not fans of Trump anyhow. Why would they do this? Certainly Pence or Ryan would be a more palatable replacement for most of them.
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Hmmm.. a lot of speculation and hope on the part of Trump-haters but .... still no evidence.
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Yup... Yawn.
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Quote:Their pretend Evidence threads have become so withered and desolate that they don't even bother to post their hopes and speculation in those wastelands, but search for enrelated threads to shit-up with their nonsense.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hmmm.. a lot of speculation and hope on the part of Trump-haters but .... still no evidence.
Pathetic, really.
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Quote:Did Sessions recuse himself from legal matters of Mike Cohen unrelated to Trump-Russia Collusion?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is slightly off the topic of No Evidence, but doesn't really fit in the shitted-up opposite threads.
Perhaps it should be a separate thread.
Sounds like Manafort's lawyers are pursuing a legal challenge which should have been done long ago.
AG Sessions, Appointed and Confirmed by Senate, recused himself soley and specifically on the subject of Trump-Russia Collusion.
He appointed Deputy AG Rosenstein (not a Cabinet Member or Line-of-Succession Office) to appoint a Special Counsel for the specific issue which Sessions recused himself.
Rosenstein, acting AG for this sole specific subject, appointed Mueller and has clearly stated several times that any expansion of Investigation must be approved by himself, Rosenstein.
Either Mueller has secured the approval from Rosenstein on each expanded Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition, or Mueller did such without approval and Rosenstein neglected and failed to corral him in, failing to curtail the ever widening Witch Hunt into areas which the actual AG Sessions never refused himself from.
Thus, Rosenstein has effectively annointed himself defacto AG, outside of his Constitutional Authority.
So nothing Mueller has Investigated, outside of nonexistent Trump-Russia Collusion, or brought charges for (none of which is related to Trump-Russia Collusion) has any merit or Authority.
Sessions had recused himself specifically from the Trump-Russia Collusion Investigation because he had been an advisor and surrogate for the 2016 Trump Campaign. He did not recuse himself from any tax or IRS matter, or any business dealings from before the campaign, or any misstatements uttered by subordinates, or anything that the SC has filed charges about, or convened Grand Juries about.
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Obviously in regard to this thread topic, Still No Evidence.
However there is more and more evidence of the obvious Collusion between Russia and Hilliary and Obama.
And the House Select Committee has released their final report this past week.
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None of the criminals from either side are ever going to jail.
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Quote:Easy for the Trump side, where there are no Criminals.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
None of the criminals from either side are ever going to jail.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Easy for the Trump side, where there are no Criminals.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
None of the criminals from either side are ever going to jail.
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While I maintain that I don't believe that Trump himself is a criminal, I find the above statement to be one of the funnier things I've seen posted in these forums in quite a while.
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Trump’s unpopular even though objective conditions in the country are, in most respects, fairly benign. The president is behaving inappropriately on a near-daily basis, profiting personally from the presidency, attempting to stymie a legitimate inquiry into Russian involvement in the 2016 campaign, and constantly demonstrating near-zero comprehension of the main issues in American politics.
People quite rightly find this alarming, and with Republicans politicians lining up near uniformly to defend him, the voters are lashing out and punishing them. But Impeachment is a pointless trap for Democratic politicians.
The problem with impeachment is that as unpopular as Trump is, impeaching him is about equally as unpopular.
That’s why, perversely, drawing attention to the possibility of removing Trump from office could be a smart way for Republicans to do their best to neutralize the Trump issue in the 2018 campaign. Of course, no tactic will fully undo the damage, but Republican politicians can plausibly hope that the combination of a favorable map and incumbency effects will let them survive a moderately unfavorable national political climate — they just need to ensure it’s not a massively unfavorable one.
A 2019 impeachment drive by Democrats would be futile. To remove a president from office requires 67 Senate votes, meaning it would need to be a fully bipartisan undertaking, and there’s just no evidence that anything like a cross-party anti-Trump consensus will emerge in Congress next year.
www.vox.com/2018/4/30/17291016/democrats-impeachment-midterms
What the situation calls for, instead, are specific, non-futile measures a Democratic majority could take to check Trump.
That starts with ensuring that the work of special counsel Robert Mueller and his team won’t be stopped by presidential whim. If Mueller is fired, Congress can and should take up the very same questions his team was exploring — they could even hire Mueller if he wants the job — and ensure that whatever it is about the investigation that makes Trump so nervous won’t be covered up.
But even more important in some ways, Congressional committees both could and should use their subpoena powers to try to understand who is paying the president and why, rather than sitting idly by and allow him to accept bribes in secret via his range of private clubs and other business interests.
It’s possible that a thorough airing of Trump’s financial dealings and Russia-related matters won’t turn up any new, noteworthy information, in which case Republicans will keep backing him and he’ll either be beaten at the polls in 2020 or he won’t. It’s also possible that the reason Trump is keeping all this stuff covered up is that he is hiding incredibly damning secrets whose revelation will change Republicans’ thinking.
The crucial thing, both politically and substantively, is to be clear that impeachment is ultimately a question for Republicans, not for Democrats. Without GOP support, there’s no way to remove Trump from office, and even if Trump were removed, Democrats still would not be thrilled with a Mike Pence presidency.
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Quote:You enjoy the Deep Diving for Process Crimes? Sure somebody is guilty of lying to the FBI when they say they live on Main Street while the truth is Main Avenue.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:While I maintain that I don't believe that Trump himself is a criminal, I find the above statement to be one of the funnier things I've seen posted in these forums in quite a while.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Easy for the Trump side, where there are no Criminals.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
None of the criminals from either side are ever going to jail.
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Nothing like destroying tens of thousands of subpoenaed emails.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:You enjoy the Deep Diving for Process Crimes? Sure somebody is guilty of lying to the FBI when they say they live on Main Street while the truth is Main Avenue.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:While I maintain that I don't believe that Trump himself is a criminal, I find the above statement to be one of the funnier things I've seen posted in these forums in quite a while.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Easy for the Trump side, where there are no Criminals.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
None of the criminals from either side are ever going to jail.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nothing like destroying tens of thousands of subpoenaed emails.
I'm not comparing crimes. You're a fool if you believe that people at that level of power aren't corrupt to the core simply because they are part of the GOP though.
Draining the swamp was one of the promises that Trump has been keeping. Every day somebody on either side quits or is fired is a day that brings a smile to my face. Even better when charges are brought up against them.
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Quote:I had neglected to return and supply some linkies.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This is slightly off the topic of No Evidence, but doesn't really fit in the shitted-up opposite threads.
Perhaps it should be a separate thread.
Sounds like Manafort's lawyers are pursuing a legal challenge which should have been done long ago.
AG Sessions, Appointed and Confirmed by Senate, recused himself soley and specifically on the subject of Trump-Russia Collusion.
He appointed Deputy AG Rosenstein (not a Cabinet Member or Line-of-Succession Office) to appoint a Special Counsel for the specific issue which Sessions recused himself.
Rosenstein, acting AG for this sole specific subject, appointed Mueller and has clearly stated several times that any expansion of Investigation must be approved by himself, Rosenstein.
Either Mueller has secured the approval from Rosenstein on each expanded Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition, or Mueller did such without approval and Rosenstein neglected and failed to corral him in, failing to curtail the ever widening Witch Hunt into areas which the actual AG Sessions never refused himself from.
Thus, Rosenstein has effectively annointed himself defacto AG, outside of his Constitutional Authority.
So nothing Mueller has Investigated, outside of nonexistent Trump-Russia Collusion, or brought charges for (none of which is related to Trump-Russia Collusion) has any merit or Authority.
Sessions had recused himself specifically from the Trump-Russia Collusion Investigation because he had been an advisor and surrogate for the 2016 Trump Campaign. He did not recuse himself from any tax or IRS matter, or any business dealings from before the campaign, or any misstatements uttered by subordinates, or anything that the SC has filed charges about, or convened Grand Juries about.
Let's try these:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-27/manafort-asks-virgi
nia-judge-to-dismiss-tax-bank-fraud-case
http://www.jurist.org/paperchase/2018/03/manafort-files-motion-to-dism
iss-mueller-indictment-in-virginia-federal-court.php
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Quote:All worker bees in D.C. are corrupt to the core.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I'm not comparing crimes. You're a fool if you believe that people at that level of power aren't corrupt to the core simply because they are part of the GOP though.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:You enjoy the Deep Diving for Process Crimes? Sure somebody is guilty of lying to the FBI when they say they live on Main Street while the truth is Main Avenue.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:While I maintain that I don't believe that Trump himself is a criminal, I find the above statement to be one of the funnier things I've seen posted in these forums in quite a while.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Easy for the Trump side, where there are no Criminals.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
None of the criminals from either side are ever going to jail.
Nothing like destroying tens of thousands of subpoenaed emails.
Draining the swamp was one of the promises that Trump has been keeping. Every day somebody on either side quits or is fired is a day that brings a smile to my face. Even better when charges are brought up against them.
Lovely optimistic outlook.
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