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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:31 PM

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Which sentence? I count 9 of them.

I agree though. A year later and now we supposedly have some real evidence, but they're not showing it to us.

#ReleaseTheMemo2
Which sentence? This sentence:
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Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted.

Thanks for clearing that up. Including the sentence you wrote yourself in parenthesis after that, there were 10 sentences before you mentioned a specific one. I didn't even go back that far. I thought you were talking about one of the 9 in the last paragraph, or you were including all 9 of them as one sentence.

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Mueller is not showing you the real evidence because Trump and his lawyers would then know and then their new strategy would be to destroy evidence. Trump can order assassinations and Mueller probably doesn't want Trump killing his witnesses. Mueller is treating Trump as if Trump is the head of an organized crime family.

In more ordinary situations, prosecutors never share their evidence with the defendant's attorney until the last moment that the judge will allow.

Sharing evidence with 6ixStringJack would screw-up Mueller's investigation by tipping off Trump's lawyers. It’s not just Russia — Mueller is digging into Trump associates’ potentially corrupt foreign ties. He’s looking at Trump associates’ dealings with investors or governments in Qatar, the UAE, Turkey, and China.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/5/17080302/trump-russia-news-ku
shner-mueller

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Well either that or there is nothing. I give it all 50/50.

I have absolutely no stake in this whatsoever. Aside from a hundred or two dollars I'll be getting back in taxes next year, Trump being president hasn't really done anything for me. Same old shit, different day.

I just come here to see the crazies fight about everything that is completely out of their control.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Oops...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10488
76#1048876] You mean a lady of the evening is trying to get out of a Thai jail and avoid extradition to Belarus by claiming unspecified information about unnamed people? I'm smelling a lot of if coming off of that.

No, she named quite a few of them. That said she'll have to produce the tapes and prove what she claims.

Point is, it may be true. If it is it is over for Trump. Hey, I see you changed the link I posted so people will go to the wrong place. Fixed that for you.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10488
76#1048876

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THGRRI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:36 PM

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Instead of going on ... and on ... and on ... about what OTHER people say about the dossier, why not look for yourself?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html

Some things don't make sense to me.
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2015 Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance.
Putin courted Trump for at least 5 years before the campaign as a political influence? What crystal ball was Putin using? I want it, too! Aside from finding amusement, this is a ridiculous premise. Russia was feeding Trump dirt on Hillary for YEARS before either ran in the primaries or was a presidential candidate? Anything related to that claim needs a whole lot of explaining, which it never gets. As does the fact that Trump never, according to Steele, took up any of Russia's business offers.

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A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by Russian Intelligence Services over many years and comprises mainly bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ...
That means that there should be evidence of this in OUR records. And that means, either our 'intelligence' services are insufficiently non-partisan and diligent, or the dossier is bunk.
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2016 Source E
This section is nearly completely comprised of the unverified claims of Source E. And that requires a lot of trust in whoever that source is, their position to acquire knowledge, and their ability to transmit it without embellishment or bombast.

The rest of the document reads like a lurid diary. It makes many, many, many claims of contacts between Trump's people and various Russians, and documents the supposed Russian/ wikileaks efforts (but managed to not notice the 13 Russians in social media efforts).

Items of interest are that at least THREE secret overseas meetings between Trump's representatives and Russian government officials are alleged to have occurred. Trips should be easy enough to document.

Finally, one of Steele's sources claimed Russia attempted to curry favor with Jill Stein and others by arranging to have their visit to Russia paid for. I thought Stein being questioned was bizarre. But that's one thing in the dossier that can be definitively crossed off the list as completely bogus. Stein paid for the trip herself. And that means, the OTHER thing that can be crossed off the list as bogus is the claim that nothing in the dossier has been disproven.

Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election? The other links report on other good questions.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/why-didn-t-democrats-use-the
-dossier-during-the-2016-campaign-1177592387714?playlist=associated&v=a

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/report-raises-specter-of-a-t
rump-russia-dossier-related-death-1177585219786

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/report-russia-vetoed-romney-
favored-tillerson-for-state-dept-1177585219570

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1KIKI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election?

There's a really, really good reason for the dems to not use the report - and it's in the report itself. And that's because it says Russia has dirt on Hillary. Now, only Hillary knows for sure what she had in those 33,000 'personal' emails on her private server. But even though her server security was beyond amateurish, she got expert help in forensically scrubbing those files. There were things she really didn't want anyone to see, and it wasn't the guest list and cake selection for her daughter's wedding. As long as we're speculating here, I'll speculate that she was afraid something in those files got captured and might come out if she 'went there'.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SECOND

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I have absolutely no stake in this whatsoever. Aside from a hundred or two dollars I'll be getting back in taxes next year, Trump being president hasn't really done anything for me. Same old shit, different day.

I just come here to see the crazies fight about everything that is completely out of their control.

For your $200, 6ix, you got raped by the one-percenters. If you were a 1%er, you'd know that Good News from Trump! It turns out that American corporations aren’t spending their tax windfall solely on pointless stock buybacks that do little except enrich CEOs and investors. They’re also spending their money on pointless mergers and acquisitions that do little except enrich CEOs and investors. $325 billion so far in 2018. All of 2017 was $210 billion. Obama’s last year was $183 billion.

www.wsj.com/articles/tax-cuts-fuel-biggest-merger-spree-since-2000-152
0340897

Firms in the S&P 500 are expected to spend $800 billion buying back their own shares in 2018.

www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-companies-expected-to-buy-back-800-bi
llion-of-their-own-shares-this-year-2018-03-02

SECOND

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election?
There's a really, really good reason for the dems to not use the report - and it's in the report itself. And that's because it says Russia has dirt on Hillary. Now, only Hillary knows for sure what she had in those 33,000 'personal' emails on her private server. But even though her server security was beyond amateurish, she got expert help in forensically scrubbing those files. There were things she really didn't want anyone to see, and it wasn't the guest list and cake selection for her daughter's wedding. As long as we're speculating here, I'll speculate that she was afraid something in those files got captured and might come out if she 'went there'.

What it actually said is different than what you said it says. What it says is: "Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years." What do you say, 1kiki? I say, "Shove it up your ass, 1kiki."

www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Question one is, why didn't the democrats use the dossier during the 2016 election?
There's a really, really good reason for the dems to not use the report - and it's in the report itself. And that's because it says Russia has dirt on Hillary. Now, only Hillary knows for sure what she had in those 33,000 'personal' emails on her private server. But even though her server security was beyond amateurish, she got expert help in forensically scrubbing those files. There were things she really didn't want anyone to see, and it wasn't the guest list and cake selection for her daughter's wedding. As long as we're speculating here, I'll speculate that she was afraid something in those files got captured and might come out if she 'went there'.
What it actually said is different than what you said it says. What it says is: "Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years." What do you say, 1kiki? I say, "Shove it up your ass, 1kiki."

www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations
.html

Yes second true. What's another point we could make again? A point we've made over and over again in these threads?

Because kiki lies, kiki knows she is wrong. And because she does it anyway, she is a troll. In her case, someone who trolls on behalf of Russia.

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1KIKI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:19 PM

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html

page 1 par 4
"A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by the Russian Intelligence Services over many years and mainly (emphasis is mine) comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ..."

page 2 par 2.
"... including democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 2-3 par 5.
" ... rumors about a Russian dossier of 'kompromat' on Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 3 par 6
"... the CLINTON dossier was controlled exclusively ..."

Since roughly 50% of the first two pages are devoted to Hillary, both of you are wrong, once again, when it comes to the facts.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html

page 1 par 4
"A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by the Russian Intelligence Services over many years and mainly (emphasis is mine) comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ..."

page 2 par 2.
"... including democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 2-3 par 5.
" ... rumors about a Russian dossier of 'kompromat' on Hillary CLINTON ..."

page 3 par 6
"... the CLINTON dossier was controlled exclusively ..."

What evidence against Hillary. The Russians released everything they had through wiki leaks. Everything they produced was proven to be lies or amounted to nothing. Some bad behavior, golly gee.

Yet you still make false claims. Still post those same accusations against her. The same ones that did not bear fruit the first, second, third and even more times you trolls bring them up. So many times in fact you no longer bother.

I notice you make claims of improprieties in your post but don't list them. Loser kiki, you're a loser.

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THGRRI

Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:43 PM

Ethics Office Finds Kellyanne Conway Broke Law in Alabama Race

White House aide Kellyanne Conway twice violated the law that forbids officials from engaging in political activity in their government capacities with comments she made in television interviews about last year’s Alabama Senate election, the Office of Special Counsel said in a report sent Tuesday to President Donald Trump.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-06/ethics-office-finds
-trump-aide-conway-broke-law-in-alabama-race

Anyone surprised??

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