Congressman Matt Gaetz Issues Statement Demanding Intelligence Committee Release Classified Memo on DOJ and FBI to Public After Viewing Documen
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Another diversion, attempted hijacking:
Quote:The thread for pretend "evidence" is so vacant, deserted,desolate, that you seek out a thread on Real World topics to disrupt?
Originally posted by second:
The president’s lawyers are playing a weak hand here. If they decline an interview and Mueller issues a subpoena, Trump has to testify without benefit of counsel. With the Starr precedent to back him up, all Mueller has to do is give them a simple choice: Trump can testify either voluntarily with counsel or under subpoena without counsel. What’s it going to be?
Trump is on thin ice for another reason: he can tweet all he wants about this being a witch hunt, but this investigation isn’t being run by Democrats and Mueller wasn’t appointed by a bunch of liberals. Unless you believe that the FBI is a hotbed of socialism
Hillary Clinton isn’t involved. There’s just no way to credibly paint this as a partisan inquisition.
Did you never learn to play in a sandbox?
And your "Hilliary is not involved" mantra - what thread do you even think you are in?
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Quote:Has JewelStaiteFan ever been at a real trial rather than a sandbox? The only person in the Universe collecting "evidence", the kind that can be used in a court room, is Mueller. What Mueller does not collect is not "evidence". It is gossip that is useless in a courtroom. When and if Trump is interviewed under oath by Mueller, that will be more "evidence". Anything Trump says on twitter or what JewelStaiteFan writes is NOT "evidence", it is nothing. If JewelStaiteFan has not noticed, Mueller is not sharing his "evidence". It is all a big secret until Mueller makes it public, with the permission of Rod Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another diversion, attempted hijacking:Quote:The thread for pretend "evidence" is so vacant, deserted,desolate, that you seek out a thread on Real World topics to disrupt?
Originally posted by second:
The president’s lawyers are playing a weak hand here. If they decline an interview and Mueller issues a subpoena, Trump has to testify without benefit of counsel. With the Starr precedent to back him up, all Mueller has to do is give them a simple choice: Trump can testify either voluntarily with counsel or under subpoena without counsel. What’s it going to be?
Trump is on thin ice for another reason: he can tweet all he wants about this being a witch hunt, but this investigation isn’t being run by Democrats and Mueller wasn’t appointed by a bunch of liberals. Unless you believe that the FBI is a hotbed of socialism — and nobody believes that except for Trump’s true believer fans — this whole thing is a conservative show from start to finish. Hillary Clinton isn’t involved. Nancy Pelosi isn’t involved. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders aren’t involved. There’s just no way to credibly paint this as a partisan inquisition.
Did you never learn to play in a sandbox?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:Reposting, for the purpose of easy reference.
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Reposting response to reposted, and now discredited memo.
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I am wondering why the release of The HPSCI Staff Memo has not been followed by curiosity.
What did Obama know about the FBI and DoJ illegalities, and when did he know them?
Initial FISC application for Warrant on Page was 21 October 2016, first renewal by 19 January 2017. Both under Obama.
This is a Counterintelligence Investigation, which is included in the Daily Security Briefings for the President.
So twice Obama would have been informed of these Criminal acts by his flunkies, goons, drones, bots.
What did Obama know and when did he know it?
And how completely is the MSM protecting him? Have they never asked these questions?
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I have heard that some people are confused between the FISA sec 702 Warrantless Surveillance of non-Americans located overseas and the FISA Warrants of American Citizens under 50 USC 1804, 1805, 1801.
Perhaps an understandable confusion, with Obamination's illegal use of both.
FISA 702 was used by Obamination to illegally surveil American Citizens behind the pretense of targeting people overseas who (actual target) Americans were likely to phone, such as Office Holders of Foreign Governments.
Counterintelligence Investigation was the pretense Obamination used to falsify evidence for fraudulent Application under 50 USC 1804 in order to obtain the meritless FISA Warrant under 50 USC 1805 to illegally surveil American Citizens.
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Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-09/rather-not-have-paper-trail-
"Rather Not Have A Paper Trail" - Top Dem Texted Russian Oligarch Lobbyist For Access To Steele
Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) - the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and a lead investigator in the Trump-Russia probe, had "extensive" contact last year with a lobbyist for a Russian Oligarch who promised Warner access to Christopher Steele, according to Fox News. Steele is the former British spy who assembled several anti-Trump opposition research "dossiers," including an unverified 35-page document which the FBI used to obtain a FISA "wiretap" warrant on one-time Trump campaign advisor, Carter Page.
On March 22, 2017, Sen. Warner texted lobbyist Adam Waldman of the DC-based Endeavor Group: "We have so much to discuss u need to be careful but we can help our country" on March 22, 2017.
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America is an oligarchy
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Quote:And curiously, it seems as if a fair number of "counterintelligence" officers are suddenly leaving the FBI ...
Counterintelligence Investigation was the pretense Obamination used to falsify evidence for fraudulent Application under 50 USC 1804 in order to obtain the meritless FISA Warrant under 50 USC 1805 to illegally surveil American Citizens.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
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Quote:IIRC David Laufman was also Counterintelligence at DoJ.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And curiously, it seems as if a fair number of "counterintelligence" officers are suddenly leaving the FBI ...
Counterintelligence Investigation was the pretense Obamination used to falsify evidence for fraudulent Application under 50 USC 1804 in order to obtain the meritless FISA Warrant under 50 USC 1805 to illegally surveil American Citizens.
I wonder if that means they are in the midst of investigating other meritless FISC Warrants. Page certainly can't be the only one. (More than 300 FISA Warrants in 2016 against Americans). Everything related to FISC is Classified, maybe these "stepping downs" are results of FISC. Would prison sentences expose FISC actions too much?
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Quote:Does that seem like evidence of collusion? Or conspiracy?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-09/rather-not-have-paper-trail-
"Rather Not Have A Paper Trail" - Top Dem Texted Russian Oligarch Lobbyist For Access To Steele
Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) - the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and a lead investigator in the Trump-Russia probe, had "extensive" contact last year with a lobbyist for a Russian Oligarch who promised Warner access to Christopher Steele, according to Fox News. Steele is the former British spy who assembled several anti-Trump opposition research "dossiers," including an unverified 35-page document which the FBI used to obtain a FISA "wiretap" warrant on one-time Trump campaign advisor, Carter Page.
On March 22, 2017, Sen. Warner texted lobbyist Adam Waldman of the DC-based Endeavor Group: "We have so much to discuss u need to be careful but we can help our country" on March 22, 2017.
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But! But! Trump! But Russia!
IIRC, it is more difficult to search communications or hard drives of Congressmembers, legally.
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Another one bites the dust...
Michelle Malkin Retweeted
Jake Gibson
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@JakeBGibson
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**BREAKING**
Fox News can confirm Rachel Brand is stepping down as Associate Attorney General, the number 3 position at the DOJ. A friend of Brand’s says Rachel was, “not looking to leave,” but was approached by a Fortune 500 company with a “dream job.” #FoxNews
#DreamJob aka " Get out now, or else ". 
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Why has nobody been mentioning the Graham-Grassley Memo?
Apparently declassified today.
Can somebody post an image of it, or transcript?
Apparently Steele included gossip from Democraps, Libtards, and Hilliary in the dossier as "Intelligence" without any attempt of pretense of verification or authenticity. Apparently the "Clinton friend" that fed Steele gossip and is redacted was Syd Blumenthal.
Also, Steele has apparently violated 28 USC 1001.
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Quote:All of these Trump Buddies offering pretend jobs to FBI and DoJ Criminals, I wonder how many will be Employed 4 months from now. We should check.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Another one bites the dust...
Michelle Malkin Retweeted
Jake Gibson
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Verified account
@JakeBGibson
More
**BREAKING**
Fox News can confirm Rachel Brand is stepping down as Associate Attorney General, the number 3 position at the DOJ. A friend of Brand’s says Rachel was, “not looking to leave,” but was approached by a Fortune 500 company with a “dream job.” #FoxNews
#DreamJob aka " Get out now, or else ".
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Sounds like Bongino.com continues to have info laid out pretty well regarding most of this.
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First I've heard of this Bongino guy. Gonna listen to his podcast and see what's he's sellin'
* ETA - Yeah, he nails the Dems as total scam artists and liars. Every time they get caught ( see Sen.Mark Warner ) trying to collude w/ Russia, what do the Dems do ? They cry " Stop impeding !! You're obstructing justice !!! " and the MSM gobbles it all up. Amazing and scary as hell.
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Quote:Secret Service Agent Dan Bongino is right now filling in for Mark Levin, if you get that show Live in your radio Market.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
First I've heard of this Bongino guy. Gonna listen to his podcast and see what's he's sellin'
* ETA - Yeah, he nails the Dems as total scam artists and liars. Every time they get caught ( see Sen.Mark Warner ) trying to collude w/ Russia, what do the Dems do ? They cry " Stop impeding !! You're obstructing justice !!! " and the MSM gobbles it all up. Amazing and scary as hell.
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I think I've heard OF him, but not his show. Maybe on The Blaze, or filling in for other hosts. Podcast is pretty informative. Guy knows his stuff.
Found his live show now... Friday night dump - lots of stuff coming down while the MSM looks away at the Olympics and praises NK for it's ' peaceful ' moves and tones.
Puh-lease.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
First I've heard of this Bongino guy. Gonna listen to his podcast and see what's he's sellin'
* ETA - Yeah, he nails the Dems as total scam artists and liars. Every time they get caught ( see Sen.Mark Warner ) trying to collude w/ Russia, what do the Dems do ? They cry " Stop impeding !! You're obstructing justice !!! " and the MSM gobbles it all up. Amazing and scary as hell.
Dan Bongino was a 2016 Republican candidate who sought election to the U.S. House to represent the 19th Congressional District of Florida.[1] Bongino was defeated by Francis Rooney in the Republican primary on August 30, 2016.
Bongino was a 2014 Republican candidate for United States House of Representatives in the 2014 elections. He ran in Maryland's 6th Congressional District.[3] He was defeated by incumbent John Delaney (D) in the general election on November 4, 2014.[4] He won the nomination in the Republican primary on June 24, 2014.
Bongino was also a 2012 Republican candidate who sought election to the U.S. Senate from Maryland. He lost to incumbent Ben Cardin on November 6, 2012
Whatever he's selling, the public want no part in it.
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Quote:Oh, yeah. Maryland and Florida, bastions of reasonable Electorates.
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:Dan Bongino was a 2016 Republican candidate who sought election to the U.S. House to represent the 19th Congressional District of Florida.[1] Bongino was defeated by Francis Rooney in the Republican primary on August 30, 2016.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
First I've heard of this Bongino guy. Gonna listen to his podcast and see what's he's sellin'
* ETA - Yeah, he nails the Dems as total scam artists and liars. Every time they get caught ( see Sen.Mark Warner ) trying to collude w/ Russia, what do the Dems do ? They cry " Stop impeding !! You're obstructing justice !!! " and the MSM gobbles it all up. Amazing and scary as hell.
Bongino was a 2014 Republican candidate for United States House of Representatives in the 2014 elections. He ran in Maryland's 6th Congressional District.[3] He was defeated by incumbent John Delaney (D) in the general election on November 4, 2014.[4] He won the nomination in the Republican primary on June 24, 2014.
Bongino was also a 2012 Republican candidate who sought election to the U.S. Senate from Maryland. He lost to incumbent Ben Cardin on November 6, 2012
Whatever he's selling, the public want no part in it.
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The 2016 Primary, when all the Democraps came out to vote for Trump. An excellent yardstick to measure by.
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I think I'll stick with, never won, if you don't mind.
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So, what's up with that memo
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To use the word "reluctant" to describe Trump's attorney's attitude towards him testifying would be the Grand Poobah of understatements. But I consider all this movement by Trump, and his cronies, to block Mueller and company, a desperate attempt of deflecting.
Hell, these boys are downright apoplectic. If I had my 'druthers' - I'd choose subpoena. Roast that bitch! Trump is probably thinking that he can talk his way out of this........Oh! I wish he would go Gonzo!
That's what his lawyers fear most.
I really wonder about WH Counsel Donald McGahn; he's supposed to be the people's attorney working for the USA in the White House. I was curious, so I looked it up:
"The White House Counsel is a staff appointee of POTUS whose role is to advise the President on all legals issues concerning the President and his Administration....regarding legal issues to sign or veto legislation, ethical questions, financial disclosures, and conflicts of interest....and here's an interesting statement: "and handles lawsuits against the President in his role as President..." in other words, he is NOT above the law. He can get sued.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Has JewelStaiteFan ever been at a real trial rather than a sandbox? The only person in the Universe collecting "evidence", the kind that can be used in a court room, is Mueller. What Mueller does not collect is not "evidence". It is gossip that is useless in a courtroom. When and if Trump is interviewed under oath by Mueller, that will be more "evidence". Anything Trump says on twitter or what JewelStaiteFan writes is NOT "evidence", it is nothing. If JewelStaiteFan has not noticed, Mueller is not sharing his "evidence". It is all a big secret until Mueller makes it public, with the permission of Rod Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another diversion, attempted hijacking:Quote:The thread for pretend "evidence" is so vacant, deserted,desolate, that you seek out a thread on Real World topics to disrupt?
Originally posted by second:
The president’s lawyers are playing a weak hand here. If they decline an interview and Mueller issues a subpoena, Trump has to testify without benefit of counsel. With the Starr precedent to back him up, all Mueller has to do is give them a simple choice: Trump can testify either voluntarily with counsel or under subpoena without counsel. What’s it going to be?
Trump is on thin ice for another reason: he can tweet all he wants about this being a witch hunt, but this investigation isn’t being run by Democrats and Mueller wasn’t appointed by a bunch of liberals. Unless you believe that the FBI is a hotbed of socialism — and nobody believes that except for Trump’s true believer fans — this whole thing is a conservative show from start to finish. Hillary Clinton isn’t involved. Nancy Pelosi isn’t involved. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders aren’t involved. There’s just no way to credibly paint this as a partisan inquisition.
Did you never learn to play in a sandbox?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Intelligence officials say U.S. "under attack," cybersecurity at risk in 2018
Leaders of the intelligence community said the United States is "under attack" as it relates to the nation's cybersecurity posture heading into the 2018 midterm elections. FBI Director Christopher Wray, CIA Director Mike Pompeo, and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats joined other intelligence heads by offering testimony on worldwide threats facing the U.S. and its allies on Capitol Hill on Tuesday.
The intelligence chiefs appeared to be in consensus that the threat against the U.S.' cybersecurity is a top priority for the intelligence community and actors like Russia show little sign of slowing down their efforts to sow discord and dissension in the United States.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christopher-wray-mike-pompeo-dan-coats-te
stify-on-worldwide-threats-live-stream/
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"Frankly, the United States is under attack."
Feb. 13 (UPI) -- U.S. intelligence leaders warned a Senate committee Tuesday that Russia will continue to try to influence elections in the United States this year.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/02/13/Top-intelligence-chief-US-e
lections-under-attack-from-Russia/4801518536578/
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
@Thuggy - All you've posted are op/ed pieces, while I've given out hard cold facts. What the Russians did , tried to do , or what ever, had nil effect on the election, nor any impact on how people voted.
Facebook allows users to check and see what, if any, pages their users liked , followed, etc.. Wanna know what that number was for me ?
ZERO
And even if a person DID 'like' anything from said Russian bots, there's still no proof, what so ever, that these efforts had 1 iotas worth of influence on the way anyone voted.
The reason I post less on a political forum on a community of fans of a Sci-Fi show which ran for 1 season some 16 years ago ? I have a LIFE. I've certainly moved on from the Jr High antics that have driven away almost everyone else who use to post here as well.
Gee, almost identical to the findings on #ReleaseTheMemo
Twitter said only 1% of accounts in a massive pro-Brexit bot network were registered in Russia
Shona Ghosh Jan 25, 2018, 11:56 AM ET
https://amp.businessinsider.com/twitter-says-1-of-accounts-in-a-pro-br
exit-bot-network-were-russian-2018-1
Hey dummy, don't take my word for it. Take the word of an advertiser who is threatening to pull their adds because of this. 9.5 billion in adds dummy. Read a book of something
Giant advertiser Unilever threatens to pull its ads from Facebook and Google over 'toxic content'
One of the world's largest advertisers is threatening to pull its ads from social sites such as Facebook and YouTube if the tech companies don't do more to minimize divisive content on their platforms.
Unilever's chief marketing officer, Keith Weed, called on Silicon Valley on Monday to better police what he describes as a toxic online environment where propaganda, hate speech and disturbing content that exploits children thrive.
"Fake news, racism, sexism, terrorists spreading messages of hate, toxic content directed at children — parts of the internet we have ended up with is a million miles from where we thought it would take us," Weed said in a speech at the Interactive Advertising Bureau's Leadership Meeting in Palm Desert. "It is in the digital media industry's interest to listen and act on this."
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-unilever-ads-googl
e-facebook-20180212-story.html
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Come on rappy you dumb fuck. The facts that contradict you are everywhere. Moron, your friends 1kiki and sig are laughing at you.
Information warriors: Here's how the U.S. is combating 'fake news' from Russia
The center's 66 employees coordinates with U.S. agencies, such as the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, to target the American audience. It works with social media companies that have been used to spread foreign propaganda. And it also consults with foreign governments who face similar threats.
France, Germany, Estonia, Ukraine and the Czech Republic have had recent experience countering Russian disinformation efforts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/02/13/global-engagement
-center-russia-meddling/333015002/
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Quote:The troll does not know who he is speaking to, or about. RAPPY and I have had knock-down, drag-out fights over GWB, his handling of the economy and his "war of choice" in Iraq. All you have to do is go back to 2003-2008 posts to find them. I doubt RAPPY thinks of me as his "friend", and you calling me that probably amused him as much as it does me.
your friends 1kiki and sig are laughing at you. - THUGR
Just another example of you being fucking clueless.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
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Russia wasn't mentioned even once.
But this is the problem with linking news, and content, to advertising. Companies don't want anything disturbing to rock the stupor of the consumer. That's how we ended up with the vapid, formulaic 'infotainment' of so-called news.
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-unilever-ads-googl
e-facebook-20180212-story.html
One of the world's largest advertisers is threatening to pull its ads from social sites such as Facebook and YouTube if the tech companies don't do more to minimize divisive content on their platforms.
Unilever's chief marketing officer, Keith Weed, called on Silicon Valley on Monday to better police what he describes as a toxic online environment where propaganda, hate speech and disturbing content that exploits children thrive.
"Fake news, racism, sexism, terrorists spreading messages of hate, toxic content directed at children — parts of the internet we have ended up with is a million miles from where we thought it would take us," Weed said in a speech at the Interactive Advertising Bureau's Leadership Meeting in Palm Desert. "It is in the digital media industry's interest to listen and act on this."
Last year, Unilever spent nearly $9.5 billion marketing its brands, including Lipton tea, Dove soap, Axe body spray and Ben & Jerry's ice cream. One quarter of that budget, or about $2.4 billion, was spent on digital advertising.
Weed said that the company will promise to boost more "responsible content," including ads that tackle gender stereotypes, and that it will partner only with digital networks that pledge to use an industry standard for ad metrics and improve consumer ad experiences. Weed said he has already begun discussions with Facebook Inc., Google, Twitter Inc., Amazon.com Inc. and Snapchat maker Snap Inc. (Amazon Chief Executive Jeff Bezos also owns the Washington Post.)
"It is acutely clear from the groundswell of consumer voices over recent months that people are becoming increasingly concerned about the impact of digital on well-being, on democracy — and on truth itself," Weed said. "This is not something that can be brushed aside or ignored. Consumers are also demanding platforms which make a positive contribution to society."
Google and Facebook dominate online advertising, and they have come under increased pressure from lawmakers, academics and industry critics to invest more heavily in filtering out misinformation and abusive content on their networks.
Last year, Google's YouTube faced a vocal backlash from U.S. advertisers who said the company was not doing enough to prevent their ads from being played alongside derogatory and extremist content. Google — a division of Alphabet Inc. — has since adopted changes to the YouTube platform, which draws 1.6 billion monthly users. Those changes include stricter criteria for what types of videos can receive ad dollars, and more human reviews of content.
In response to Weed's message, Google said it takes its partners' and users' trust and safety seriously. "We will continue to work to earn that trust every day," it said.
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced this year that his social network's news feed would show its 2.1 billion users more posts from their friends and family, as opposed to news organizations and brands, in an effort to generate more "meaningful" interactions. During its most recent earnings call, Zuckerberg acknowledged that Facebook users spent 50 million fewer hours per day on the social network than they did the previous quarter, in part by seeing fewer viral videos — a consequence of Facebook's new push to prioritize the quality of interactions on its platform over the popularity of content.
Despite the recent pushback, Google and Facebook continue to dominate the market for online advertising. According to EMarketer's latest estimates, the two companies are expected to claim near
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Quote:here 'ya go
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why has nobody been mentioning the Graham-Grassley Memo?
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-06%20CEG%20LG%2
0to%20DOJ%20FBI%20%28Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral%29.pdf
eta;
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affi
rms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
Rest assured: If a Republican administration had used unverifiable hearsay from a patently suspect agent of the Republican presidential candidate to gull the FISA court into granting a warrant to spy on an associate of the Democratic nominee’s campaign, it would be covered as the greatest political scandal in a half-century. Instead, it was the other way around. The Grassley-Graham memo corroborates the claims in the Nunes memo: The Obama Justice Department and FBI used anonymously sourced, Clinton-campaign generated innuendo to convince the FISA court to issue surveillance warrants against Carter Page, and in doing so, they concealed the Clinton campaign’s role.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affi
rms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:Apparently every crook involved in the Fraudulent FISC Application knew how critical the falsified Dossier would be, because they had just tried twice to obtain Warrants, and were denied by FISC, an extremely rare occurrence.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:here 'ya go
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why has nobody been mentioning the Graham-Grassley Memo?
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-06%20CEG%20LG%2
0to%20DOJ%20FBI%20%28Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral%29.pdf
eta;
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affi
rms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
Rest assured: If a Republican administration had used unverifiable hearsay from a patently suspect agent of the Republican presidential candidate to gull the FISA court into granting a warrant to spy on an associate of the Democratic nominee’s campaign, it would be covered as the greatest political scandal in a half-century. Instead, it was the other way around. The Grassley-Graham memo corroborates the claims in the Nunes memo: The Obama Justice Department and FBI used anonymously sourced, Clinton-campaign generated innuendo to convince the FISA court to issue surveillance warrants against Carter Page, and in doing so, they concealed the Clinton campaign’s role.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affi
rms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
@Thuggy - All you've posted are op/ed pieces, while I've given out hard cold facts. What the Russians did , tried to do , or what ever, had nil effect on the election, nor any impact on how people voted.
Facebook allows users to check and see what, if any, pages their users liked , followed, etc.. Wanna know what that number was for me ?
ZERO
And even if a person DID 'like' anything from said Russian bots, there's still no proof, what so ever, that these efforts had 1 iotas worth of influence on the way anyone voted.
The reason I post less on a political forum on a community of fans of a Sci-Fi show which ran for 1 season some 16 years ago ? I have a LIFE. I've certainly moved on from the Jr High antics that have driven away almost everyone else who use to post here as well.
Gee, almost identical to the findings on #ReleaseTheMemo
Twitter said only 1% of accounts in a massive pro-Brexit bot network were registered in Russia
Shona Ghosh Jan 25, 2018, 11:56 AM ET
https://amp.businessinsider.com/twitter-says-1-of-accounts-in-a-pro-br
exit-bot-network-were-russian-2018-1
Hey dummy, don't take my word for it. Take the word of an advertiser who is threatening to pull their adds because of this. 9.5 billion in adds dummy. Read a book of something
Giant advertiser Unilever threatens to pull its ads from Facebook and Google over 'toxic content'
One of the world's largest advertisers is threatening to pull its ads from social sites such as Facebook and YouTube if the tech companies don't do more to minimize divisive content on their platforms.
Unilever's chief marketing officer, Keith Weed, called on Silicon Valley on Monday to better police what he describes as a toxic online environment where propaganda, hate speech and disturbing content that exploits children thrive.
"Fake news, racism, sexism, terrorists spreading messages of hate, toxic content directed at children — parts of the internet we have ended up with is a million miles from where we thought it would take us," Weed said in a speech at the Interactive Advertising Bureau's Leadership Meeting in Palm Desert. "It is in the digital media industry's interest to listen and act on this."
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-unilever-ads-googl
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Full List of Russian Twitter Bots Banned In Election Meddling Probe, it's 65 pages long.
Hey rappy, hellooooo
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/exhibit_b.pdf
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The 4th post of this thread:
Quote:NSA, FISA were just the arena. The rot exposed really was just Obama DoJ, Obama FBI, and everything Obama.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The deliberate blind eye that was turned towards Hillary's private server and her State-Dept/ Foundation "pay to play" schemes ... which were prolly heavily documented on that server of hers .... sure reeks of political bias on the part of DOJ/ FBI.
Reportedly this would force the firing of McCabe, other top FBI and also AG, plus likely expose Mueller and Comey to prosecution.
The whole sorry mess needs to be ripped open, and those who politicized the DOJ/ FBI need to be held accountable. Hillary herself probably belongs in jail.
I know the memo is about FISA and NSA, but that's just a small part of the rot that exists.
There is for sure rot elsewhere ... like in the Pentagon ... and Congress ... but you gotta start somewhere.
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The 3rd post of this thread:
Quote:It is shocking that this prediction escaped posting in kpo's thread. Just shocking, I say.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Reportedly this would force the firing of McCabe, other top FBI and also AG, plus likely expose best friends Mueller and Comey to prosecution.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Washington, D.C. — Congressman Matt Gaetz (FL-01) today released the following statement after reviewing information from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, including a memo held in the Congressional Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) that contained previously-undisclosed information involving the Federal Bureau of Intelligence (FBI) and Department of Justice (DOJ).
“The House must immediately make public the memo prepared by the Intelligence Committee regarding the FBI and the Department of Justice. The facts contained in this memo are jaw-dropping and demand full transparency. There is no higher priority than the release of this information to preserve our democracy,”j Rep. Gaetz said.
https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-ma
tt-gaetz-issues-statement-demanding-intelligence-committee?utm_content=buffera6cde&utm_mediu
m=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campa
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This could get interesting.
Got rid of rotten McCabe finally. Should work on the AG more. He whined for Trump to not release the memo, so maybe just discrediting his career will be enough.
Comey might be getting jailed by FISA Court.
Just gotta prosecute his best friend Mueller.
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130 in this White House that cannot get a security clearance. Why, because they've been determined to be a potential threat to our national security.
Where's the outrage from the trolls who posted incessantly about the security risk posed by Hillary's email. Which by the way they still do. Why are they silent, because all they were and are doing in these threads is troll.
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Why has nobody been mentioning the Graham-Grassley Memo?
Apparently declassified today.
Can somebody post an image of it, or transcript?
Apparently Steele included gossip from Democraps, Libtards, and Hilliary in the dossier as "Intelligence" without any attempt of pretense of verification or authenticity. Apparently the "Clinton friend" that fed Steele gossip and is redacted was Syd Blumenthal.
Also, Steele has apparently violated 28 USC 1001.
Here we go:
[img] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-06 CEG LG to DOJ FBI (Unclassified Steele Referral).pdf[/img]
[blogimg] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-06%20CEG%20LG%2
0to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral).pdf]
[Img] https://www.scribd.com/document/370977369/Grassley-Graham-Declassified
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https://www.scribd.com/document/370940103/2018-02-06-CEG-LG-to-DOJ-FBI
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Analysis: Indictment Makes Trump’s Hoax Claim Harder to Sell
By laying out a meticulous case for how Russia tried to tip the electoral scales toward Mr. Trump in 2016, Mr. Mueller has made it much harder for the president to dismiss the investigation as mere politics. He may also have made it harder for Mr. Trump to fire Mr. Mueller himself, since, as some Democratic lawmakers argued, that would look like an attempt to help Russia further undermine American democracy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-indictment-makes-trum
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Operation INFEKTION
Soviet Bloc Intelligence and Its AIDS Disinformation Campaign
Operation INFEKTION was a KGB disinformation campaign to spread information that the United States invented HIV/AIDS[2] as part of a biological weapons research project at Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Soviet Union used it to undermine the United States’ credibility, foster anti-Americanism, isolate America abroad, and create tensions between host countries and the U.S. over the presence of American military bases (which were often portrayed as the cause of AIDS outbreaks in local populations).
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-p
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Spin Doctors working feverishly to portray something. Something. Anything.
This is what they blew their wad over?
Still nothing related to or refuting the fact laden Memo referenced in this thread title.
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The Spin Doctors were awesome.
One two, princes kneel before you. That's what I said now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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MSM News said today the Shifty Schiff Spindoctor Memo was released.
Anybody seen a copy?
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Quote:Perhaps this is a huge nothing burger, based on the lack of interest following it's release.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
MSM News said today the Shifty Schiff Spindoctor Memo was released.
Anybody seen a copy?
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Quote:Apparently every crook involved in the Fraudulent FISC Application knew how critical the falsified Dossier would be, because they had just tried twice to obtain Warrants, and were denied by FISC, an extremely rare occurrence.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:here 'ya go
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why has nobody been mentioning the Graham-Grassley Memo?
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-06%20CEG%20LG%2
0to%20DOJ%20FBI%20%28Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral%29.pdf
eta;
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affi
rms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
Rest assured: If a Republican administration had used unverifiable hearsay from a patently suspect agent of the Republican presidential candidate to gull the FISA court into granting a warrant to spy on an associate of the Democratic nominee’s campaign, it would be covered as the greatest political scandal in a half-century. Instead, it was the other way around. The Grassley-Graham memo corroborates the claims in the Nunes memo: The Obama Justice Department and FBI used anonymously sourced, Clinton-campaign generated innuendo to convince the FISA court to issue surveillance warrants against Carter Page, and in doing so, they concealed the Clinton campaign’s role.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affi
rms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
Apparently Judge Rosemary Collyer was a FISC Judge who heard one if these Warrant Applications. Sounds like she approved the first Carter Page Warrant in October 2016.
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Advertisers ask YouTube to pull ads from Alex Jones' channels
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/youtube-alex-jones-info-wars-channels-adv
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There's probably going to be some pushback on that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Let's hear it for censorship! And while we're at it, mass surveillance, and propaganda.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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RUSSIAGATE & UKRAINE: HOW THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION HEIGHTENS THE WAR DANGER
THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT
It is not exactly a secret that so-called neo-conservatives in the U.S. State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), in conjunction with “left-wing” speculator and City of London operative George Soros, collaborated in the regime change coup in Ukraine in February 2014, which overthrew the democratically-elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Former Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs, the unabashed neocon Victoria Nuland, bragged that the U.S. and related agencies, such as the NED, spent $5 billion to lay the groundwork for the coup.
What is not generally known, however, due to the lying coverage in the Transatlantic “Fake News” media, is that included in this unholy alliance of coup plotters were armed militia units made up of neo-Nazis, who were responsible for the bloodshed on Maidan Square in Kiev, and which threatened the ethnic Russians, which constitute the majority of the population in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. The lie that there was no neo-Nazi involvement has been maintained, despite ample evidence to the contrary, including interviews with militants pronouncing admiration for Hitler’s collaborators in the Bandera movement in Ukraine during World War II, when Ukrainian units murdered ethnic Poles, Russians, and other “non-Ukrainians”, including Ukrainian Jews. The armed “Banderistas” and related thugs have been incorporated into the security apparatus of the Kiev regime, and continue to march in the halls of Parliament and on the streets, under banners with pictures of Bandera, the Nazi collaborator, and symbols going back to their alliance with the Nazi SS.
The coup provoked a chain of events which the U.S., London and NATO used as justification to impose punitive sanctions against Russia, while demonizing Russia’s President Putin, asserting that the he was engaged in military operations in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, to reverse the coup. Efforts to stop the fighting between the regime’s armed forces and ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine led to the Minsk Accord in 2015, which included a cease fire and the granting of autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk. The Minsk Accord was brokered by France, Germany and Russia.
On January 18, 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament ripped up the Minsk Accord, referring to the two republics as “temporarily occupied” by an “aggressor country,” that is, Russia, and vowed to reintegrate them, by military force if necessary. This bill, which received the full support of Ukraine’s President Poroshenko, has been described by the Russian Foreign Ministry as “a preparation for a new war.” It occurs simultaneously with an outburst of war-like propaganda from western neocons, typified by a report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), released on February 20 with the title, “Coping with Surprise in Great Power Conflicts.” The report charges that both Russia and China are preparing for war against the U.S., and that the Russians are deploying forces and artillery to overrun the Baltic states in a lightning strike, to reincorporate them into a new Russian empire!
What is also not yet publicly known, but is now coming into focus due to Congressional investigations of the role of British secret agent, Christopher Steele, a “former” MI6 operative, is that the dirty alliance behind the coup, and the subsequent escalation of anti-Russian, war-like hysteria, is the same network running the Russiagate scam as a regime change coup against U.S. President Trump.
THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT
This background is necessary to understand the vicious hostility behind the targeting of Paul Manafort, a long-time U.S. political operative, by the “amoral legal assassin”, special counsel Robert Mueller. Manafort, who served as Donald Trump’s campaign manager at a key moment in his fight to secure the Republican nomination, from May to August 2016, was indicted by Mueller on October 2NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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RUSSIAGATE & UKRAINE: HOW THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION HEIGHTENS THE WAR DANGER
THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT
It is not exactly a secret that so-called neo-conservatives in the U.S. State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), in conjunction with “left-wing” speculator and City of London operative George Soros, collaborated in the regime change coup in Ukraine in February 2014, which overthrew the democratically-elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Former Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs, the unabashed neocon Victoria Nuland, bragged that the U.S. and related agencies, such as the NED, spent $5 billion to lay the groundwork for the coup.
What is not generally known, however, due to the lying coverage in the Transatlantic “Fake News” media, is that included in this unholy alliance of coup plotters were armed militia units made up of neo-Nazis, who were responsible for the bloodshed on Maidan Square in Kiev, and which threatened the ethnic Russians, which constitute the majority of the population in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. The lie that there was no neo-Nazi involvement has been maintained, despite ample evidence to the contrary, including interviews with militants pronouncing admiration for Hitler’s collaborators in the Bandera movement in Ukraine during World War II, when Ukrainian units murdered ethnic Poles, Russians, and other “non-Ukrainians”, including Ukrainian Jews. The armed “Banderistas” and related thugs have been incorporated into the security apparatus of the Kiev regime, and continue to march in the halls of Parliament and on the streets, under banners with pictures of Bandera, the Nazi collaborator, and symbols going back to their alliance with the Nazi SS.
The coup provoked a chain of events which the U.S., London and NATO used as justification to impose punitive sanctions against Russia, while demonizing Russia’s President Putin, asserting that the he was engaged in military operations in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, to reverse the coup. Efforts to stop the fighting between the regime’s armed forces and ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine led to the Minsk Accord in 2015, which included a cease fire and the granting of autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk. The Minsk Accord was brokered by France, Germany and Russia.
On January 18, 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament ripped up the Minsk Accord, referring to the two republics as “temporarily occupied” by an “aggressor country,” that is, Russia, and vowed to reintegrate them, by military force if necessary. This bill, which received the full support of Ukraine’s President Poroshenko, has been described by the Russian Foreign Ministry as “a preparation for a new war.” It occurs simultaneously with an outburst of war-like propaganda from western neocons, typified by a report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), released on February 20 with the title, “Coping with Surprise in Great Power Conflicts.” The report charges that both Russia and China are preparing for war against the U.S., and that the Russians are deploying forces and artillery to overrun the Baltic states in a lightning strike, to reincorporate them into a new Russian empire!
What is also not yet publicly known, but is now coming into focus due to Congressional investigations of the role of British secret agent, Christopher Steele, a “former” MI6 operative, is that the dirty alliance behind the coup, and the subsequent escalation of anti-Russian, war-like hysteria, is the same network running the Russiagate scam as a regime change coup against U.S. President Trump.
THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT
This background is necessary to understand the vicious hostility behind the targeting of Paul Manafort, a long-time U.S. political operative, by the “amoral legal assassin”, special counsel Robert Mueller. Manafort, who served as Donald Trump’s campaign manager at a key moment in his fight to secure the Republican nomination, from May to August 2016NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Let's hear it for censorship! And while we're at it, mass surveillance, and propaganda.
Yeah, it must be tough for those living in Russia. Better there than here though.
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Roger Stone
In 1980, he co-founded the Washington, DC-based lobbying firm Black, Manafort, Stone with principals Paul Manafort and Charles R. Black Jr.[4][5][6] It recruited Peter G. Kelly and the firm was renamed Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly in 1984.
During the 1980s, BMSK leveraged its "White House connections" to attract "high-paying clients" including "U.S. corporations", "trade associations", and foreign governments. By 1990, it was "one of the leading lobbyists for American companies and foreign organizations".
Unbelievable, Roger Stone is being investigated by Mueller concerning wiki leaks and the Russians, and sig sources him as though anyone can believe a word he says.
Worse yet, JSF quotes the post in agreement. What a stupid...what a troll...
During the 80's Stone confounded the lobbying firm > wait for it < Black and Manafort.
You are such a liar sig, such a troll, such a Russian propagandist. And you really really suck at it. Putin must be very disappointed.
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Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nope, it the other way around. That's a US jail.
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And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.
The DNC "hacks" and where the Podesta emails came from? Mueller can safari up his own ass all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for?
Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.
Ok, what next?
Oh yes ... UKRAINE(!!!) There is huge fallout from Manafort being a lobbyist for UKRAINE(!!!), years before the Trump campaign. Okay, if having contacts with "foreign" lobbyists is such a horrible sin, why isn't Hillary being investigated for her ties to Saudi lobbyists?
Quote:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/medea-benjamin/hillary-clinton-the-pode
The lobby firm created by both Tony and John Podesta in 1988 receives $140,000 a month from the Saudi government, a government that beheads nonviolent dissidents, uses torture to extract forced confessions, doesn’t allow women to drive, and bombs schools, hospitals and residential neighborhoods in neighboring Yemen.
s_b_11779826.html And that wasn't something that happened years ago, it was happening during the 2016 campaign. If Mueller wanted to investigate foreign influence on our elections, he would be well-advised to look to the DNC and the Clinton Foundation.
Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nope, it the other way around. That's a US jail.
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The only problem with that story is that Boris and Natasha are the ones in the cell in that picture. Putin is outside of the cell.
I guess you guys better not forget that Putin has teleportation capabilities when you finally get around to locking him up.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.
State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.
WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.
As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/world/europe/state-department-russi
a-global-engagement-center.html
Treasonous
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And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.
And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no?
Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for?
"One person?" I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person. If you've done any of the reading about Trump's Russian connections/escapades you'd know there are many involved. How many were there at Trump Tower yappin' with Don Jr. alone? Just one?
"Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? " - SIGNYM
Because he doesn't have to?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.
She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean. Thing is that's not illegal - what is is colluding/working with a foreign adversary to influence/hack our elections. See the difference?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you?
I'm eager for the truth to come out, plain and simple. He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person. BUT I'd rather see it from Mueller. You can wait can't you?
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I'm sure you remember as I do G sig and others posting emphatically, our intelligence agencies have no evidence of the Russians interfering in our elections. That it was bogus.
I'm sure you remember as I do, you me and others battling them from the beginning regarding this. As is always the case in thread after thread, as more and more is revealed, sig and her troll friends are proven wrong.
This time is no different. 13 Russians indicted and so many more to come.
tick tock
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Quote:I saw them coming. Not by name, but at the beginning of the
And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no?
Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.
Quote:But only Assange knows unambiguously WHO wikileaks got the files from. Is that of minor importance to you?
I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person.
Quote:Once again, you're wrong on a few points of fact. The RNC didn't pay Fusion GPS and the research wasn't directed at Trump.
She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean.
Quote:And the Washington Free Beacon didn't use the 'services' of Steele. None of the material found by Fusion in its work for the Washington Free Beacon was in the Steele report. AND, the Washington Free Beacon work was completed before the Clinton work began.
In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election.
Quote:How can we have a reasonable fact-based discussion when you so consistently misrepresent the facts?
The Free Beacon said its research ended before Fusion GPS hired a former British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, to produce a series of reports alleging links between Russia and those close to Trump. That occurred after the firm was retained by a lawyer for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
“None of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,’’ said the statement from Free Beacon editor in chief Matthew Continetti and chairman Michael Goldfarb. “We stand by our reporting and we do not apologize for our methods."’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/conservative-we
bsite-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.d7fbf5f6cdc5
Quote:But how do you know what Trump knows? OH! YOU DON'T. Goes both ways, you see.
He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person.
BTW, I'm not 'defending' Trump. I'm just pushing back on propaganda while waiting for the facts.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:I saw Manafort as a weakness. I predicted Flynn would get nailed. In a post a while back, I said that if Mueller would find anything on Trump, it would probably be in the realm of financial crimes. But NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT RUSSIA.
And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia. - SIGNY
And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no? - GSTRING
Quote:Same reply as KIKI- How do YOU know??? Oh, that's right, you don't. I typically qualify my comments with "so far" or "yet", as in We haven't seen anything so far (yet)". You OTOH seem be dead certain, on the basis of nothing at all, that Mueller will find SOME sort of collusion between the Trump campaign and RUSSIA!!!! But aren't YOU just "blowing smoke"?
Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.
Yes, you are.
Quote:"Contacts" with Russians are not illegal.
... all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for? - SIGNY
"One person?" I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person. If you've done any of the reading about Trump's Russian connections/escapades you'd know there are many involved. How many were there at Trump Tower yappin' with Don Jr. alone? Just one?- GSTRING
Quote:The BIG question was ... what about the Wikileaks release of the Podesta/ DNC emails? Because THAT ... and not thirteen Russians making infinitesimally small noise on social media ... was widely seen as having a real effect on the election. Well, Mueller can yap all he wants to about who "hacked" the DNC server ... and BTW, the FBI never DID examine the server itself ... but Julian Assange and his colleague Craig Murray know who gave them the emails, and they have said over and over that it was not Russia and not a Russian. Craig Murray has gone further and said it as a "disgruntled insider".
"Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? " - SIGNYM
Because he doesn't have to?- GSTRING
So, if Mueller really wants to know THE TRUTH ... or at least talk to the people who DO know the truth ... then maybe they should do just that, instead of speculating, insinuating, and fabricating an alternate version of reality.
Oh, and BTW ... THUGR, ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION??? .... I have often said that I wouldn't be surprised if Russians snooped on various servers, including the DNC server. What they did NOT do was "interfere" with or release the contents, or interfere with the election process/ results.
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Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.- SIGNY
She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean. Thing is that's not illegal - what is is colluding/working with a foreign adversary to influence/hack our elections. See the difference?- GSTRING
Well, by the same logic, efforts by Trump campaign to collect "dirt" on Hillary are ALSO not "illegal", and in fact of lesser importance because no information was gathered and no return favors were exchanged.
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Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Whoa, looks like I crushed a nerve.
Let's review all of the erroneous assumptions you just made:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT RUSSIA.
Huh? Sure it is. Didn't you read the charges against one of the first Trump lackeys to fall? It's been almost all about Russia. Flynn: lying about Russia contacts and conversations. Sessions? Please do some reading and brush up on the subject before posting.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You OTOH seem be dead certain, on the basis of nothing at all, that Mueller will find SOME sort of collusion between the Trump campaign and RUSSIA!!!!
Actually it's based on the daily evidence that he's a lying piece of sh*t and that Russia is Russia.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, if Mueller really wants to know THE TRUTH ... or at least talk to the people who DO know the truth ... then maybe they should do just that, instead of speculating, insinuating, and fabricating an alternate version of reality.
How do you know who he's talking to?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, by the same logic, efforts by Trump campaign to collect "dirt" on Hillary are ALSO not "illegal", and in fact of lesser importance because no information was gathered and no return favors were exchanged.
How do you know what was gathered?
This is the best piece of sh*t assumption you've made so far:
"Because saying over and over again that he DID "collude" is just screeching and hyperventilation." - SIGNYM
Find where I said he "DID" - I said I *believe* he has. Language - respect it.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have a ?? for you, GSTRING.
You, THUGR, JOIDIOT, and TWITCHY have this idee fixe (it's a psychological disorder, you should look up the term)
Funny. One can only imagine how you became familiar with such an arcane term.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...that Trump "somehow" "colluded" with Russia to influence the election. Or that Trump was 'somehow" "blackmailed" into "colluding" with Russia.
So, there is usually some sort of "quid pro quo" involved ... "I'll do (this) if you (help me win the election/ don't expose my dirty secrets)"
What do you suppose "this" is? Normalize relations? Block sanctions? Cooperate in the fight on terrorism? Sink the military by failing to fund it?
All of these issues were part of the Trump platform. YOU knew what Trump wanted to do with/ about Russia before the election, and so did a lot of other voters. There was no secret about Trump's intended policy, nothing "sprung" on the American people from some deep dark place. And people voted for him anyway. So where's the 'collusion'?
He built collusion into his platform? Thanks for the tip! At this point not applying sanctions seems the most likely, but how would we know? I think it would be helpful if you read more on the subject and not just guess so much - it makes you look foolish.
So, let's review: everything you said was easily, observably false. Same ole SIGNYM.
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"Flynn admitted in his plea that he lied to the FBI about several December conversations with Kislyak."
The National Security Advisor of the incoming Trump administration talked with the Russian Ambassador.
HORRORS!
And also - not a crime, and not collusion. Just an administration performing normal international relations.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's).
Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Seems the Libtard Trolls are trying to shift the topic of this thread into yet another Fake topic of Fake Collusion and Fake Evidence.
How many different threads about real topics have they muddied now?
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Quote:Still nobody cares about this ballyhooed revelation?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Perhaps this is a huge nothing burger, based on the lack of interest following it's release.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
MSM News said today the Shifty Schiff Spindoctor Memo was released.
Anybody seen a copy?
OK, this seems to be the memo:
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/redacted_minori
ty_memo_2.24.18.pdf
Funny thing: when trying to find a copy, there were no Real News links in the search results, only Fake News outlets.
And here s the SpinDoctor treatment:
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?Docu
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Also, in January 2017 Comey went to the White House and stated to Trump that the Dossier was unverified and salacious, not based in fact, and nothing to worry about. Later, he signed off on the 19 January FISC Application to renew the Page Warrant, using this Fake Dossier as the evidence to support the Warrant.
He already knew is was Fake.
Comey used Application with known Fake Content to swindle the FISC into issuing a Warrant, clearly Contempt of Court.
How is this not a Felony?
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Russia says it stopped Mitt Romney from becoming secretary of State:
Russia says it stopped former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney from becoming President Trump's secretary of State, according to The New Yorker.
The magazine in a report about former Christopher Steele says the former British spy authored a separate dossier with "a senior Russian official" as its source. That source said individuals inside Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed to have stopped Romney from becoming head of the State Department
Steele's memo said Russia used "unspecified channels" to request that Trump choose a secretary of State who would remove "Ukraine-related sanctions," according to the report. The Kremlin also reportedly wanted the department's head to accommodate Russia in regards to Syria, where the Russian government has been backing President Bashar al-Assad in a years-long civil war.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-says-it-stopped-mitt-ro
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Breaking News?
Apparently new revelations that the unnamed "Australian Diplomat" who claimed to have heard Papadopoulos brag of influence, thus providing excuse for Investigation (Russia Trump), was Clinton crony (funneling $25 Million into Clinton Crime Family Foundation) Alexander Downer.
Not sure if this was already posted somewhere here.
Perhaps only newspaper stenographers are clever enough to discover this, since these facts have been able to evade unethical immoral clueless Mueller.
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Sounds like some Fox News show had a recent interview of Rep Nunes by Mark Levin discussing The Memo.
I don't have a transcript, yet.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Flynn admitted in his plea that he lied to the FBI about several December conversations with Kislyak."
The National Security Advisor of the incoming Trump administration talked with the Russian Ambassador.
HORRORS!
And also - not a crime, and not collusion. Just an administration performing normal international relations.
Actually, it's right there in your own post, Kiki: "he lied to the FBI" that IS a crime.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's).
Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?
"Facts?" you mean like whenever you or JSF or anyone else said, "there's no evidence! There's no collusion!" we knew that you were just talking sh*t? I definitely agree with that fact.
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Let's break it down:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Also, in January 2017 Comey went to the White House and stated to Trump...
What's your source that what follows is what Comey said specifically and not just hearsay? There are some assumptions that I'd want cites for. Some of the rest I don't find much of it to be in error.
- "that the Dossier was unverified." Why is that an issue? The FBI is stating honestly that they have not been able to verify it YET. Some of Steele's sources are ones he would obviously like to protect since Russians who speak against Russia/Putin often find themselves dead in their cars. So even the FBI would have a hard time verifying. That doesn't mean you don't trust a source like Steele. That's why you have sources.
- "and salacious," yes it was! But why does that taint it's veracity?
- "not based in fact, and nothing to worry about." - I'm going to respectfully ask where those 2 comments come from. I doubt Comey would say it wasn't based in fact. That sounds like a Fux or your spin/assumption. Cites if you have them.
- "Later, he signed off on the 19 January FISC Application to renew the Page Warrant, using this Fake Dossier as the evidence to support the Warrant." - you or someone is assuming it was fake when it keeps getting more and more true. If you disagree you need to show where it was fake and not just say "it's fake." Requests for a continuance was submitted with multiple docs and arguments and the judge makes the decision.
- "He already knew is was Fake." - I disagree - see above. Carter Page had shown plenty of reason - even bragging about his Russia/Kremlin connections. I wonder if he even needed this dossier to get an extension.
- "How is this not a Felony?" Because it's not a felony.
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A Top Republican Fundraiser’s Emails Have Been Hacked
By David Voreacos and Greg Farrell
?March? ?6?, ?2018? ?12?:?45? ?PM? ?CST
Broidy learned of breach last week from reporter, lawyer says
Emails show his moves in GOP finance, foreign affairs circles
A top Republican fundraiser for Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign learned last week that his email accounts had been hacked, sowing concerns that document leaks could roil another national U.S. election cycle.
Elliott Broidy, a deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee, became aware of the problem when a reporter asked about some of his private messages, said his attorney, Christopher Clark. Broidy then alerted law-enforcement officials, who are now investigating the breach of his private and business emails.
Some news organizations have cited Broidy’s communications in articles over the past week, describing how he sought to use his political ties to advance his business interests and those of foreign leaders. More embarrassing revelations could follow. All the information will be released soon on “the dark web,” according to a note accompanying emails sent to Bloomberg.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-06/hack-of-republican-
fundraiser-broidy-shows-risks-before-midterms
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Quote:But it's not collusion with Russia.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Actually, it's right there in your own post, Kiki: "he lied to the FBI" that IS a crime.
I guess you failed logic 101. Or was it ethics 101?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's).
Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?
Quote:No matter how much you misrepresent my post, GEEBERS, it's still a fact: no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
"Facts?" you mean like whenever you or JSF or anyone else said, "there's no evidence! There's no collusion!" we knew that you were just talking sh*t? I definitely agree with that fact.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges.
Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians. This means what? It means he was colluding and conspiring with the Russians.
He is now working with Mueller exposing others who were part of the campaign who colluded and conspired with russia. You just can't seem to get the facts right.
Keep your shirt on, it's coming. I've never seen someone so anxious to see themselves proven wrong as you just have. Shit, how many times is that today? Let's see, how many times have you posted?
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"Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians."
Actually - no. He plead guilty to making false statements. There was nothing culpable in his actions.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians."
Actually - no. He plead guilty to making false statements. Thre was nothing culpable in his actions.
He made false statements about his working relationships with the Russians. Culpable,"sometimes you're just as culpable when you watch something as when you actually participate."
Hence the lie followed by the guilty plea. Your defense against Trump conspiring with the Russians is collapsing as you post. Like I've said, be patient it's coming.
tick tock remember
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He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.
And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'.
Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.
I'm having one of those moments where I realize I am arguing with someone unable to defend themselves. Someone desperate to hold onto a delusion. Someone sick, Russian troll or not, so I think I'll let this discussion come to a close tonight.
T
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.
And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'.
Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials.
http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-indictments-explained-manafort-
gates-papadopoulos-trump-russia-2017-10
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I'm glad you finally got it right. It's what I've been saying all along. He was indicted for, and plead guilty to, making false statements ... not to 'collusion'.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.
And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'.
Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
I'm not sure here.
Are you quoting this to point out T's incompetence with syntax - which has long been abundantly clear - or to point out T pretending to be you, and effectively falsely attributing quotes to you?
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Quote:Wow. speaking of people desperate to hold onto an idea!
Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians.- THUGR
So, what DID George plead guilty to? THUGR, be a good fellow and go find that plea for us, will you? Since you seem to be so convinced you know what it says ....
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I guess you failed logic 101. Or was it ethics 101?
I guess you failed Honesty 101: Saying, "there was no collusion!" is a false, incomplete statement. You and others have barked that constantly like it means something, when it means absolutely nothing. Do explain why making those statements now, this early, has any relevance?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
No collusion has, to this date, been revealed.
I totally disagree. I think Don Jr's meeting at Trump Tower looks like collusion to me. But what I think doesn't really matter (damn it!) - it depends on what else Mueller finds and how the law interprets it.
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Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information.
I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information.
I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other.
I'd be happy to SIGHOLE: The Russian government (not just a few Russian sources) worked to influence the election in favor of Trump, with evidence that Trump's campaign was a willing, active partner in this crime/act of Treason (I believe).
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Wow. speaking of people desperate to hold onto an idea!
Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians.- THUGR
So, what DID George plead guilty to? THUGR, be a good fellow and go find that plea for us, will you? Since you seem to be so convinced you know what it says ....
He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?
This is all too funny.
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He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?- THUGR
Because idiots like you and Rachel Madcow would make an endless big deal about nothing, which is just what you're doing???
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He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?- THUGR
Because idiots like you and Rachel Madcow would make an endless big deal about nothing, which is just what you're doing???
-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them.
This isn't rocket science.
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Quote:
Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information.
I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other. - SIGNY
I'd be happy to SIGHOLE: The Russian government (not just a few Russian sources) worked to influence the election in favor of Trump, with evidence that Trump's campaign was a willing, active partner in this crime/act of Treason (I believe).- GSTRING
Well, first of all, this is where YOU BELIEVE something. You have turned an opinion into a belief. So I'll take your BELIEF about as seriously a I take the BELIEF in god, or the BELIEF in a flat earth, which is ... not at all.
Secondly ... No, I'll stop at the first point. A BELIEVER is someone who maintains an idea without evidence, or even in the face of countervailing evidence. Until you get past "believing", there's just no reasoning with you because you're immune to facts and logic.
BTW- you asked me, snidely, how I knew about such as arcane term as idee fixe. That's because I'm smarter than you, better educated than you, and because I don't get all my info from Twitter and FB.
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-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them. -THGUR
Apparently, just like GSTRING, you claim not only to know the content of (private) conversations, you ALSO claim to know someone's motivations???
Yeah, right.
[/snicker]
This reminds me that you CLAIM to know that I'm a "Russian troll", and you are so absolutleyfucking100%wrong about THAT that it throws all of your other claims into doubt. Seriously, dude, you need a mental tuneup. And I look forward to the day when I can take you to court, and then post about it here.
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-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them. -THGUR
Apparently, just like GSTRING, you claim not only to know the content of (private) conversations, you ALSO claim to know someone's motivations???
Yeah, right.
[/snicker]
This reminds me that you CLAIM to know that I'm a "Russian troll", and you are so absolutleyfucking100%wrong about THAT that it throws all of your other claims into doubt. Seriously, dude, you need a mental tuneup. And I look forward to the day when I can take you to court, and then post about it here.
A self-described Russian 'seductress' is claiming she has dirt on Trump
A Russian escort is asking the US government to grant her asylum in exchange for audio recordings that she says reveal new information about Russian meddling in the US election.
The escort says she recorded more than 16 hours of conversations between a Russian oligarch, a top Russian government official, and others about US-Russian relations and the election.
"If America gives me protection, I will tell everything I know," she said on Monday.
"I'm ready to give you all the missing puzzle pieces, support them with videos and audios, regarding the connections of our respected lawmakers with Trump, Manafort and the rest. I know a lot. I'm waiting for your offers and I'm waiting for you in a Thai prison," Vashukevich said in a video she posted on Instagram on her way to the Pattaya jail.
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13 Russian nationals indicted in Mueller investigation on charges related to meddling in US elections
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Deripaska, and his relationship with Putin ...
That guy that "forgot" to give Putin his pen back? That was Deripaska.
You're an 100% ignor-anus, THUGR. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but you don't mind filling the endless void inside your head with equally endless hate and paranoia. Right?
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Now, I'm sure that you think that because I KNOW about this little kerfuffle between Deripaska and Putin, that must mean that I'm a "Russian troll" because only a "Russian troll" would know about such Russian arcana.
Well, all I can say is that I know such this because I try to become widely informed; I listen to a lot of things and to a lot of people who also listen to a lot of things, and they point out items of interest. I personally found the video amusing, but there's a whole lot more going on behind the scenes between Manafort, Deripaska, JOHN MCCAIN, and others. And unlike you, I don't stick my head up my ass because it's kinda warm, dark, and quiet up there, and because nobody bothers me in my comfy space.
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America is an oligarchy
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