The risk of nuclear war under Trump
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The propaganda exits, in large amounts, I might add. I can show it, and you know it's true.
The government wouldn't bother if it didn't think it was necessary - to give us subjects the required push in attitude.
For one thing. You being Russian disqualifies you from determining what is propaganda and what is not. All you get from Russian media is propaganda and you believe it. That shows you are clueless.
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I agree about this: Americans don't care if a Shiite government kills its Sunni citizens - or the other way around. They don't care if Russia has a free press. They don't care if non-ethnic Russians kill ethnic Russians in Ukraine. They don't care about starving children in Somalia. They don't care about cartels run amok in Mexico. They don't care who kills, or who dies, or how, if it's over there. They. Don't. Care.
They care if AMERICANS die.
So, the question becomes - how do you convince Americans to willingly fight elsewhere?
That's how you end up with the Lusitania. the Gulf of Tonkin, maybe even Pearl Harbor, and 9/11 being used to attack Iraq. That's how you end up with massive campaigns to mobilize the public to go to war, support war and censorship, and pay for it all. That's why you endlessly propagandize that Russians are 'doing things' to us.
To get Americans to fight over there, somewhere, the government needs to deploy its campaigns of attitude adjustment.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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I agree about this: Americans don't care if a Shiite government kills its Sunni citizens - or the other way around. They don't care if Russia has a free press. They don't care if non-ethnic Russians kill ethnic Russians in Ukraine. They don't care about starving children in Somalia. They don't care about cartels run amok in Mexico. They don't care who kills, or who dies, or how, if it's over there. They. Don't. Care.
They care if AMERICANS die.
So, the question becomes - how do you convince Americans to willingly fight elsewhere?
That's how you end up with the Lusitania. the Gulf of Tonkin, maybe even Pearl Harbor, and 9/11 being used to attack Iraq. That's how you end up with massive campaigns to mobilize the public to go to war, support war and censorship, and pay for it all. That's why you endlessly propagandize that Russians are 'doing things' to us.
To get Americans to fight over there, somewhere, the government needs to deploy its campaigns of attitude adjustment.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
1kiki, you are pretty cynical about Americans, but you'd be far more if you lived in my state, Texas. Texans have an astonishingly high opinion of themselves, call them self-righteous, but the numbers don't actually support their lofty opinion. Two numbers would help clarify why Americans are so proud, but also why they don't have a correct image of themselves.
What is the most defended country in the world, based on spending? The most charitable?
Military expenditure as percent of GDP was 3.3%. It was 8.4% in 1960. And how much for Charitable spending? 1.44%
Looking at the numbers, it appears to me that Americans less want to help than to kill foreigners. To fix that, I think charitable spending should be quintupled. The helping budget ought to be at least twice as big as the killing budget.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=US
America has been named as the world’s most generous nation in the world, where its citizens give the most to charity. Placing America at #1, charitable giving by individuals as a percentage of GDP in America was recorded at 1.44%, in New Zealand at 0.79%, in Canada at .77% and in the UK – which came fourth globally – at 0.54%.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/america-new-zealand-and-cana
da-top-list-of-world-s-most-generous-nations-a6849221.html
The rule ought to be: for every dollar spent on nukes and bullets, spend at least two dollars on overseas charity. Americans need to mightily shift the balance of spending.
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SECOND, been busy, but here goes ...
Quote:So, where does this slavish devotion to the US President come from? Is it inborn (as you imply later)? Genetic? Are Americans uniquely vulnerable to hive-mind behavior? Or is this the result of never-ending Hollywood romanticization. of series like "24" in which a rough, tough Jack Bauer - who has faced down nuclear terrorism and survived relentless Chinese torture- wets his pants and drops to his knees in abject devotion when "THE PRESIDENT!!" comes into view? SERIOUSLY??? Yes, I know that most people who watch the show realize that it is a fantasy, but like most advertising, it plants a background message, even as the viewer is rejecting the foreground message.
Signym. If Americans do NOT know today how nukes burn children to death, can that be blamed on the MSM, as you are trying to do? Is the media really misleading Americans into believing nukes do NOT kill women, as Signym is insinuating? Or will the majority of Americans never know? I think the majority of Americans don't want to know because knowing would mean not nuking whoever the President feels deserving.
So, BTW, that answers my first question - Does it matter what most Americans "want"? After all, if we live in a oligarchy when most people don't get what they want anyway, what does it matter how most people feel?
Well, the answer is ... obviously it DOES matter, otherwise there wouldn't be such a relentless propaganda campaign to tell us who we are, what we want, and what we should be afraid of. I rally think you should (re)watch Century of Self
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I'm thinking a majority of Americans in 1945 wanted all the Japs, including women and children, dead dead dead and a victory wasn't enough to cool the overheated Americans. Even until today, victory on the battlefield isn't enough. A majority of Americans also want women and children dead dead dead. This is a very helpful attitude for a Pentagon and Congress who both want nukes for their President.
First of all, there is a fairly large minority of Americans who - even in the midst of a media blitz to war - DON'T want yet another war. Instead of wondering why so many Americans favor what they have been TOLD to favor by the government, "news" media, and Hollywood, maybe you should look at the outliers and wonder how THEY escaped the clutches of the war machine?
Quote:Your statement is that not only are AMERICANS blood-lusting creatures, by virtue of being born human SO IS EVERYBODY ELSE. ("born that way")
Since at least WWII, the majority of the American public would easily accept Washington DC killing everyone (old men, women, children) connected to any kind of enemy. Those Americans were born that way; they didn't need any propaganda from Washington DC.
In the realm of science, there is no way to prove a hypothesis, but you can DSIprove one by finding examples where it fails. Well, SECOND, there are examples all over the world and in the USA where your view of people fails, because they insist in behaving in a countervailing manner to what you think.
Since people are motivated by how they feel, not what they think, it's very important that people's FEELINGS on certain topics be manipulated. And that is most easily accomplished by fear (godless Communism! Dominoes falling! Duck and cover! WMD!). I'm sure that you've noticed that many people were stampeded into supporting various invasions by totally unfounded scenarios.
I think this is particularly successful with Americans, because most people DON'T do their best thinking when under stress, and Americans are more stressed than any other major industrial economy thanks to our economic uncertainty and crime.
Look at WISHY: I believe that she's reacting the way she does because of being victimized in the past. And then look at most Americans, and realize ... we're victimized in on
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Quote:You gave a really long answer. My short answer is that Americans are the most ostentatiously religious in the world. They really crave a power greater than themselves, even the ones not religious, to throw the responsibility for what happens onto God or the President, which leaves them with more time for their smaller pursuits, whether it is their place in heaven, their money, or their next pleasure. It is God's and the President's decision on who dies, who to nuke, not the decision of small, irresponsible Americans busy with their daily lives.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, where does this slavish devotion to the US President come from? Is it inborn (as you imply later)? Genetic? Are Americans uniquely vulnerable to hive-mind behavior? Or is this the result of never-ending Hollywood romanticization. of series like "24" in which a rough, tough Jack Bauer - who has faced down nuclear terrorism and survived relentless Chinese torture- wets his pants and drops to his knees in abject devotion when "THE PRESIDENT!!" comes into view?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Bill Gates' dire warning: U.S. could lose its global leadership role under Trump
Tech pioneer Bill Gates thinks the U.S. can keep its historically influential role as a global leader.
But for a second year in a row, he cautioned that the nation risks losing its geopolitical clout if the Trump administration succeeds in slashing foreign aid, as proposed Monday in a new federal budget that prioritizes a jump in military spending. Last year, the White House tried to reduce foreign aid by one-third, but Congress did not approve the cuts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/02/13/bill-gates-warns-china-
other-powers-fill-void-if-u-s-foreign-aid-cuts-could-cede-leadership-china-ot/322177002/
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SECOND, your and sigs attempt to pigeon hole Americans is week tea. We are more than 310 million strong, come from all the different continents and are as ethnically diverse as can be. Yet you speak of us as if we are all made from the same cloth. Like I said, weak tea.
Time to watch an episode of firefly I think.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You gave a really long answer. My short answer is that Americans are the most ostentatiously religious in the world. They really crave a power greater than themselves, even the ones not religious, to throw the responsibility for what happens onto God or the President, which leaves them with more time for their smaller pursuits, whether it is a quest for a place in heaven, more money, or the next pleasure. It is God's and the President's decision on who dies, who to nuke, not the decision of small, irresponsible Americans busy with their daily lives.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, where does this slavish devotion to the US President come from? Is it inborn (as you imply later)? Genetic? Are Americans uniquely vulnerable to hive-mind behavior? Or is this the result of never-ending Hollywood romanticization. of series like "24" in which a rough, tough Jack Bauer - who has faced down nuclear terrorism and survived relentless Chinese torture- wets his pants and drops to his knees in abject devotion when "THE PRESIDENT!!" comes into view?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Yes, but where does this reaction COME FROM?
You gave a really long answer. My short answer is that Americans are the most ostentatiously religious in the world. They really crave a power greater than themselves, even the ones not religious, to throw the responsibility for what happens onto God or the President, which leaves them with more time for their smaller pursuits, whether it is a quest for a place in heaven, more money, or the next pleasure. It is God's and the President's decision on who dies, who to nuke, not the decision of small, irresponsible Americans busy with their daily lives. - SECOND
I'm like you, SECOND; there are times when I look at people like THUGR and I just run out of excuses for him. But the reason why so many Americans engage in magical thinking is because we have been sheltered by two big oceans from all of the suffering that we (and others) have inflicted on the world Because America has been the dominant military and economic power since WWII, THIS is where the heart of power beats, THIS is the population that the elite need to control because THIS is the military that controls the world and ensures their wealth. So the Eye of Sauron is upon us, like no place else on earth - and - so far- the elite's reign of power has only had a slow grinding away on our quality of life. Oh, and BTW ... the worse things get here, the more magical thinking will be pushed on Americans so we don't react with any normal kind of self-preservation.
And for some reason, the DEMOCRATS have not explicitly tied our debt load, diminishing social safety net, and withered economy to our military expenditures/ adventurism recently. And why not??? Because THEY are as in thrall to the elites as the Republicans.
From my POV, SECOND, you're as guilty of religious-thinking as the people you disdain. YOUR religion isn't god tho, and it isn't militarism; it's partisanship. YOUR magical thinking revolves around the Democratic Party. You focus all of your ire on THE GOP!! TEXAS REPUBLICANS! TRUMP!!! ... with an occasional (and misdirected) shout-out to RUSSIA!! as if they are the source of all of our problems and if we only got rid of "them" all would be well! And we BOTH know that that isn't true.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:I'm not doing an explanation for every last American. I only need to explain the largest group. It isn't even the majority, but their numbers are large enough to push the whole U.S.A. in the direction it is going.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
SECOND, your and sigs attempt to pigeon hole Americans is week tea. We are more than 310 million strong, come from all the different continents and are as ethnically diverse as can be. Yet you speak of us as if we are all made from the same cloth. Like I said, weak tea.
Time to watch an episode of firefly I think.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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