The risk of nuclear war under Trump
POSTED BY: captaincrunch
UPDATED: Thursday, May 7, 2026 16:28
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AAAAAAAAAAannnnnnnd. SECOND continues on with personal attacks because ... well, SECOND can't help itself.
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Originally posted by second:
Signym has a grudge against Hillary, as does Putin. A coincidence? Probably not.
www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-25/vladimir-putins-grudge-hillary-clinton
"Vladimir Putin's grudge with Hillary Clinton"
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Originally posted by second:
Signym, the existing nuclear program is nothing I'll say anything intelligent about, because I like to post stuff for which I have ZERO evidence, and for which a simple google search would make me look ... wrong.
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Quote:Do you realize what a hillbilly you sound like? It's obvious you have zero knowledge or understanding of the dozens of democratically elected government around the world the US has overthrown, or the dozens more brutal dictators the US has allied with ... BECAUSE - only dictators can guarantee business results.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Because RUSSIA IS what Russia IS.
They don't mind screwing over other countries in order to advance their homophobic, white power, freedom of speech killing, warmongering agenda.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT CONTACT WITH THAT?????
They prove every day why they can't be trusted to even have NORMAL relations with them.
I swear.. it's like you are constantly advocating that the U.S. has to stay in an abusive relationship with Russia...because WHY??
What the hell do we have to gain from that??
WHY WOULD YOU BE GOOD WITH THAT?????
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Quote:No, it's for the, deep, deep, DEEP thoughts they find there.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hmmm... so THUGR's head is up GSTRING's ass, and GSTRING's head is up THUGR's ass. It must be for the warmth.
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Quote:So? Are we THAT fragile?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
BROWN PEOPLE??? What the hell are you on about?? I don't support half the crap we've done either, it doesn't mean Russia is less ... bent to take us over or manipulate our systems.
Quote:Yes, we do. And if we could stop spending trillions of dollars on self-destabilizing military pissing contests, maybe we'd have some money to fix them.
WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS.
Quote:Because you have no sense of perspective ... you think it's TERRIBLE that somebody CLAIMED Russia hacked voter rolls. First of all - this is the second time around (or more) for those claims (that I know of), which were vigorously disproven by a number of states, including California. Besides that, SO WHAT? Don't we have a democracy? Isn't this information SUPPOSED to be available? And, yanno, in this day and age of mass hacking of hundreds of millions of people's accounts at one time - don't you think the state agencies have backed up their data?
This is from TODAY.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/russia-successfully-hacked-into-voter-ro
lls-during-2016-election/?sr_share=facebook
WE are being dicked with by these asshats. And you think we should just let them do whatever they want to do to us because...NUCLEAR WAR???? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING??!!!
Quote:Then you can disagree with Lieutenant General Richard D. Clarke US nuclear commander - but I digress ... after all, what does he know?
There is NO GODDAMN RISK of nuclear war with Russia right now,
Quote:I guess yelling in caps proves you know more.
SO WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT EVER MATTER????
Quote:Now, this is an area I am fluent in. So, to be brick simple - with very few exceptions, and those for a substance of questionable sports value which had up to that point been legal - Russian athletes did not test positive for banned substances. All of the 'evidence' was based on the hearsay of one man who had a vested interest in gaining the favor of US authorities.
RUSSIA!! BREAKS EVERY LAW THEY DON'T MAKE THEMSELVES, AND A FEW THEY DO. They have no problem breaking every rule to get what THEY WANT...just like the Olympics. They broke doping so much they got banned !
Quote:Do you really, REALLY think Russia is, somehow, going to take over the country? How the hell did you get so scrambled that that's even a thought?
Which doesn't even matter because no matter what Russia does, no matter what we do...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .WE.DON'T.WANT.TO.BE.RUSSIA. EVER. NUCLEAR WEAPONS OR NO.
Have YOU ever NEGOTIATED with a bully??? IT DOESN'T WORK. The only thing that shuts down a bully is to make them scared with a large show of force.
PEOPLE AREN'T REASONABLE, bullies especially! YOU CANNOT REASON WITH THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE REASONED WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russia does NOT want to be reasoned with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote:Obsessing over worst-case scenarios - like you just did, you mean? Yanno, the whole idea that we're, somehow, magically, going to become Russia.
I know what it's like to be around someone who constantly thinks about the worst case scenario, but you are absolutely OBSESSED with a completely improbable worst case scenario.
You don't even make a microscopic SPECK of sense.
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Quote:You DO realize that story was from 2014. Has the US fallen off the edge of the world yet? And, why not?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
They ARE attacking infrastructure, I see it in the news all the time. Guess you just conveniently miss that, huh?
http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/29977/cyber-warfare-2/russia-hacke
d-us-critical-infrastructure.html
Quote:You've heard of Meltdown and Spectre, right? Two of the biggest security problems of all time, bar none. And who's responsible for them? Intel. AMD. And other chip makers. Not a Russian in sight.
US infrastructure and government agencies are constantly under attack, a few weeks ago the White House confirmed to have suffered a cyber attack on its computer network which lasted for almost two weeks.
Quote:HOOKAY! Do not make fortune-telling your business!
To have any recall of the Cuban Missile Crisis you would have to be in your 60's and you aren't. Unless you had your kid in your fifties. Right.
Quote:OR mind-reading, either!
This thread was started BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSTANT OBSESSIONS.
Quote:OR reading the news!
You really believe that nuclear war could break out at any second with people we aren't in REGULAR WAR with. That is the very definition of paranoid delusion.
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Quote:Who happens to be her offspring - her child.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Maybe you should stop referring to her as a "child" then.
She is a handicapped ADULT.
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I'm sure I have no clue ..I'd have to say I completely see where I get my messed up mental DNA from.
And the reason Russia hasn't done worse, is we have agencies that somehow can stop a cyberattack after it's been launched! So it doesn't get .. like ... worser!
And I can't begin to imagine why I can't stop trolling!
Hey look! I can post pictures instead of actual facts and logic, because facts and logic are just hard. I mean like, they're really haaaaard!
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Quote:Why were sensitive computers running unsecure personal accounts? That's just dumb.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Russian cyberspies have tricked employees at US defence companies into exposing their emails. "Hackers predominantly targeted personal Gmail (by phishing), with a few corporate accounts mixed in."
Quote:Speculation about sonic attacks that no one has figured out yet.
http://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-attack-cuba-officials-649546
Quote:From 2016 - "they carried no weapons under the wings" tells you everything you need to know. The rest is just pointless hyperventilation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-denies-simulate-attack-on-u-s-navy
-destroyer-uss-donald-cook/
Quote:OMG - "Russia continues to aggressively employ the most significant aspect of its 2016 tool kit: the use of social media"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-never-stopped-its-cyber
attacks-on-the-united-states/2017/12/25/83076f2e-e676-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html?utm_term=.ef0f1ed1a841
Quote:This one has been completely debunked. There is not the least shred of resemblance to reality in this so-called news report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers
-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html?utm_term=.b168b4a7e3ff
Quote:Russians were 'suspected', it was unclear how many were affected, and there was no indication control systems were breached. I hate to say it, but it sounds like a lot of nothing.
https://www.military.com/defensetech/2017/09/06/russian-hackers-suspec
ted-targeting-us-utilities-nuclear-plants
Yanno, we supposedly made use of Dutch hacking of Russian cyberop. And for sure the US hacks us - we the people - with its backdoors and cable eavesdropping. It was the US/ Israel that created Stuxnet to cripple Iranian centrifuges, that got out into the wild. And I'm sure it wasn't the last. And one of the largest hacks in history was the US spook agencies prevailing on Yahoo to hack its own users - every single email to or from every single account. And now of course we have Spectre and Meltdown, deep security flaws built into chips found everywhere.
You know if they have the tools, then so do we. And if they use them, then so do we. And if they aren't benign, neither are we. And while I can't say if their government directs its tools at its citizens, I know that our government targets us.
I find your information questionable, and your inability to grasp the proportions of the larger picture perplexing. If they are the bogey-man you're so afraid of, so are we.
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Why might Trump take the “quick and easy way” by preemptively nuking North Korea?
www.vox.com/world/2018/2/7/16974772/north-korea-war-trump-kim-nuclear-
weapon
He might because a South Korean military white paper from 2016, for instance, said the US would need to deploy 690,000 ground troops to South Korea if war broke out. Truly, it is slow and difficult to get that many troops in place. On the other hand, it doesn’t take 690,000 troops to drop a nuke. Indeed, it's quick and easy. Bruce Bennett, a senior researcher at the RAND Corporation who has spent decades studying North Korea generally and the Kim family specifically, believes those numbers are on the high side, but he thinks the US would need to send at least 200,000 troops into North Korea. By way of comparison, that would be significantly more troops than the US had in either Iraq or Afghanistan at the peaks of those two long wars. The 2016 assessment says the Pentagon would also need to send 2,000 warplanes and other aircraft to South Korea. The US hasn’t had that much airpower deployed to a single conflict since Vietnam.
Maybe next week Kim will test-fire a missile that flies too close to Guam or Hawaii. Or maybe a US ship will accidentally drift into North Korean waters and Kim’s navy will open fire. Trump might decide enough is enough. He might not have the patience to wait for 200,000 troops to arrive in Korea from the US.
Again, why might Trump take the easy way and preemptively nuke N Korea? He might because the experts stressed that North Korea could devastate Seoul in South Korea without even needing to use weapons of mass destruction. The North Korean military has an enormous number of rocket launchers and artillery pieces within range of Seoul. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service estimates that Kim could hammer the South Korean capital with an astonishing 10,000 rockets per minute — and that such a barrage could kill more than 300,000 South Koreans in the opening days of the conflict. That’s all without N Korea using a single nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon.
Even more frightening, most of the people I spoke to said they believed Kim would use nuclear weapons against South Korea in the initial stages of the fighting — not just as a desperate last resort. All the more reason for Trump to nuke North Korea first.
In a chilling conversation, James Stavridis said there was at least a 10 percent chance of a nuclear war between the US and North Korea, and a 20 to 30 percent chance of a conventional conflict that could kill a million people or more. Retired Navy Adm. James Stavridis had a 37-year military career included a stint running NATO.
I’ve spent the past month posing questions to more than a dozen former Pentagon officials, CIA analysts, US military officers, and think tank experts, as well as to a retired South Korean general who spent his entire professional life preparing to fight the North. They’ve all said variants of the same thing: There is a genuine risk of a war on the Korean Peninsula that would involve the use of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. Several estimated that millions — plural — would die.
More at www.vox.com/world/2018/2/7/16974772/north-korea-war-trump-kim-nuclear-
weapon
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One of the things about WICHY's posts in this thread IS THAT I THOUGHT HER CAPS LOCK BUTTON MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN RANDomly stuck. ThAT'S the only reason for this great outpouring of screeching and hypervENTILATION WHICH SEEMED TO BE COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE Topic at-hand. I thought it was kinda funny. I laughed a little eveRY TIME SHE. RESORTED. TO. CAPS.ON.A.TOTALLY.IRRATIONAL.STATEMENT.
But I think I understand her fear: She's so afraid of being victimized (again) that if she perceives certain situations to be potentially abusive, she goes off. The problem with that is that not only are her reactions skewed, so are her perceptions. She sees a problem when none exists, or she conflates a situation with her previous victimization.
So let's assume that in addition to being in pain, WISHY is suffering from PTSD and give her a little more space than usual. Since she's a former victim (she says) there is a REASON for her acting like a jerk. I know it's tough to do: She attacks viciously, but I don't think she's being that way just because she embodies the dark tetrad.
WISHY, this is for you. Pay close attention to the part about what drives our perceptions, and what makes up "objectivity". (2:00-3:58)
And for the rest of us ... 2:00 -12:50
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