The risk of nuclear war under Trump

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So SECOND, what you've done is provide great evidence that the Nobel Prize is corrupted (which I already knew. After all, both Kissinger and Obama got the Peace Prize), and that American scientists are moral cowards.

What is your solution?

That scientists boycott nuclear research?

I guess I don't understand your point.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So SECOND, what you've done is provide great evidence that the Nobel Prize is corrupted (which I already knew. After all, both Kissinger and Obama got the Peace Prize), and that American scientists are moral cowards.

What is your solution?

That scientists boycott nuclear research?

I guess I don't understand your point.

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Maybe my previous remark needs a little expansion. Millions of Americans have gone to war, worked in the "defense" industry, supported ever increasing Pentagon budgets, supported some astonishingly stupid wars, or supported nuking Japan, without ever personally burning a child to death with a nuke. They're all very fine people; you only need ask them what they think of themselves. The US has precisely the nuclear policy I would expect when it is full of people like that. Trump can feel pretty free to nuke whoever he pleases. It is the rest of the world, not Americans, that might give him reason to pause and consider the consequences. The rest of the world might try to kill Trump with a nuke if he does drop nukes.

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Maybe my previous remark needs a little expansion.

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Oh OK, let me think on it.

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In the meantime, I'm looking this over:

Executive Summary of the NPR

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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MORE AT https://media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872877/-1/-1/1/EXECUTIVE-SUM
MARY.PDF

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the meantime, I'm looking this over:

Executive Summary of the NPR

Quote:

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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MORE AT https://media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872877/-1/-1/1/EXECUTIVE-SUM
MARY.PDF

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It is salesmanship. The Pentagon is selling the idea that the US needs to buy nukes. I think it will convince most Americans, since they were sold the idea, and continue to believe, that nuking Japanese children was necessary in the past, so why not buy nukes for the future?

The grandson, Paul Tibbets IV, of the pilot and, later, general who nuked Japan was promoted to brigadier general in 2014, and became Deputy Director for Nuclear Operations at the Global Operations Directorate of the United States Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. As such, he was responsible for America's strategic nuclear forces. On 5 June 2015, he assumed command of the 509th Bomb Wing. The American business of nuking the world passes down the generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the meantime, I'm looking this over:

Executive Summary of the NPR

Quote:

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While the United States has continued to reduce the number and salience of nuclear weapons, others, including Russia and China, have moved
in the opposite direction. They have added new types of nuclear capabilities to their arsenals, increased the salience of nuclear forces in their strategies and plans, and engaged in increasingly aggressive behavior, including in outer space and cyber space. North Korea continues its illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons and missile capabilities in direct violation of United Nations (U.N.) Security Council resolutions. Iran has agreed to constraints on its nuclear program in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Nevertheless, it retains the technological capability and much of the capacity necessary to develop a nuclear weapon within one year of a decision to do so.

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MORE AT https://media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872877/-1/-1/1/EXECUTIVE-SUM
MARY.PDF

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It is salesmanship. The Pentagon is selling the idea that the US needs to buy nukes. I think it will convince most Americans, since they were sold the idea, and continue to believe, that nuking Japanese children was necessary in the past, so why not buy nukes for the future?

The grandson, Paul Tibbets IV, of the pilot and, later, general who nuked Japan was promoted to brigadier general in 2014, and became Deputy Director for Nuclear Operations at the Global Operations Directorate of the United States Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. As such, he was responsible for America's strategic nuclear forces. On 5 June 2015, he assumed command of the 509th Bomb Wing. The American business of nuking the world passes down the generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets]

Sorry second but for now I'm on board. I'm still hopeful for a better future though.


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