annoying things in firefly
POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Thursday, March 17, 2005 20:31
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okay, we all love firefly. none of us would be here if we did not. 
still, there must be SOME things about firefly that bug the heck out of you. any scenes of specific lines or aspects of the series that drive you nuts everytime you see it?
i will start. the end of heart of gold bugs me to no end. i think it is too cruel. of course, not that the guy they killed was all that worth saving, but still. i thought it was a little over the edge.
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The FOX watermark in the corner. When I saw that on TV it really pissed me off.
Edited to add real comment:
Actually, what bugs me is the exact opposite of you. The show isn't violent enough. IRL, killing people solves many problems really quickly. Of course that makes it hard to build suspense and have reoccuring bad guys.
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Shindig is my least favorite episode, mainly because of the poorly choreographed duel scene. Sure, Mal didn't know anything about sword-fighting, but Atherton was supposed to be expert, and as someone who has had a few fencing classes I can assure you the actor playing Ath didn't show much knowledge of the sport either.
Out of Gas is probably my second or third favorite ep (after OiS and Serenity), but the deal with the adrenaline straight to the heart upsets me every time I watch it. More than likely that would have killed Mal and Zoe in real life.
Every time I watch Ariel, I'm thinking Joss must think we are stupid if he wants us to believe nobody overheard Mal talking to Jayne in the airlock.
There are several other things I could nit-pick, but none of them alter the fact that Firefly is still be best gorram show in the 'verse.
wo men ren ran zai fei xing.
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
[BEvery time I watch Ariel, I'm thinking Joss must think we are stupid if he wants us to believe nobody overheard Mal talking to Jayne in the airlock.
wo men ren ran zai fei xing.
Sure, there could have been someone who overheard them... namely River. I think that she knew about Jayne's betrayal right when it was happening... and depending on how psychic she is, she probably had good reason to suspect that he would turn on them. This could not be an oversight or a miscalculation on Joss's part at all... could a plot point for the BDM, or a good idea for a fic.
Myself, I deeply dislike most of the episode "Heart of Gold." I hate the villain, I don't care for Nandi at all, and the part where the bad guy practically forces the turncoat whore to um... orally stimulate him (at least that's what's implied) really freaks me out. I love Firefly, but even though that ep was never shown I still wonder why Faux thought that Firefly would ever be suitable for the 8-9 slot. It is not a children's show and it would have been better off in the X-Files' old slot.
To be fair, however, the only things I liked about "Heart of Gold" were the opening shots (the camera coming right down through space and onto the surface of the planet was a wowser) and the ending, with the beautiful rendition of "Amazing Grace." It is very heartwarming to think that 500 years from now, people may still know and love that song.
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Quote:OT In my head, that always segues into High-heeled Sneakers. Do I have company, or is there really such a thing as too much Janis Joplin?
Originally posted by DeSangro:
and the ending, with the beautiful rendition of "Amazing Grace."
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Torture as entertainment in War Stories; this is true of a number of TV shows in the US, some created by Whedon. An audience that can't be told the same things in different ways is deeply troubled.
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I never did like "Heart of Gold" for many reasons, but specifically for the conversation that Wash and Zoe have about having children someday. It just didn't seem to fit with the characters or the pacing of the episode.
Oh yeah, and I HATE Nandi...you know why. 
***Never judge a book by its movie***
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If Mal and Wash weren't tortured by Niska he would never have seemed so evil as he does now, so when he would come back it would be very scary. Or at least intimidating.
What I hate? The villain in Heart of Gold having the best gun in the sector and then it runs out of batteries after having missed Mal. Totally unbelievable.
And I dislike some of the CGI, most of the time I truly dispise CGI but in Firefly it isn't that bad, only in The Message when you see the smoke is clearly CGI or the chandeleir in Shindig.
I just see it is so clearly fake and for the most of the time in movies and in tv series they don't even try to do it the old fashioned way, they just grab for the computer.
While the oldfashioned way might have seemed much more realistic in a lot of cases.
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Quote:This appears to confuse torture as a narrative device and torture as entertainment; the former does not require depiction - the latter does, however stylised. This confusion may be widespread within a jaded audience, I am not qualified to judge.
Originally posted by Daikath:
If Mal and Wash weren't tortured by Niska he would never have seemed so evil as he does now, so when he would come back it would be very scary. Or at least intimidating.
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Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:Quote:OT In my head, that always segues into High-heeled Sneakers. Do I have company, or is there really such a thing as too much Janis Joplin?
Originally posted by DeSangro:
and the ending, with the beautiful rendition of "Amazing Grace."
Too much Janis Joplin!
Regarding torture in "War Stories": I think that that ep did a pretty good job in portraying it. The scene with Mal and Wash getting electrocuted was disturbing and darkly funny-- not funny in the sense that they were being slowly killed, but funny in the sense that Mal was using all of his cheeky power to outrage Wash so much that he'd stay awake and alive. T
here was a definite edge of horror in it, too; not fake, cheesy gross-out horror, but REAL horror, that of a sadist tormenting two characters that we love to death, and the one character's desperate fight to keep the other, weaker friend alive. Logically speaking, Mal didn't need to do that; if he was completely selfish and heartless he would have concentrated all his mental and physical energy on keeping himself alive, and not spared any for Wash. Of course, Mal being Mal, he didn't do that, and he kept Wash alive at great expense, I think, to himself.
The scene where Zoe gets Wash out, leaving Mal behind, and then Niska cuts off Mal's ear was great, too; it showed something about Zoe's character, and the ear-cutting was fairly shocking. (It reminds me of Reservoir Dogs, and it made me hate Niska all the more. I have nothing but love for Mr. Michael Fairman's performance as him, however.) I love everyone's performances in that scene, come to think of it; Alan Tudyk did a great job as Wash, because usually Wash is so funny in even the worst situations, and when he says to Zoe that Mal kept him alive you can just hear the pain in his voice.
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