annoying things in firefly
POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Thursday, March 17, 2005 20:31
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Things that annoy me about Firefly? The fact that the show never made it clear if this action all takes place in one solar system or across many. Lots of good threads debating that topic.
Also -- I hate that the opening narrations weren't included on the DVD set. If Joss didn't like them, I can understand, but I'd have enjoyed seeing them amongst the deleted scenes, at least.
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The torture in War Stories didn't sit right with me at first, but I've since formed a bit better appreciation of what was going on there - specifically with Mal attempting to keep Wash distracted.
The other part of that episode that was a turn off for me was the lesbian kiss scene. Not because I got a thing against girls kissing, but with the way it was promoted before its broadcast and its seeming irrelevance to the storyline, it just seemed gratuitous.
Shortly after it was broadcast Joss posted about some of the problems they had editing that episode. Apparently the lesbian scene did have implications to the story that were lost on the final edit.
It seems that after it became clear that Niska had taken Mal and Wash, Inara went to visit to counselor to ask for assistance. When the counselor's husband appeared at the door with her, she pretended to not know Inara at all. The idea was that Inara had a moral dilemma: sacrifice the confidentiality of a client or save Mal and Wash...
In the end the scene was deleted but the lesbian thing was tied into some other parts of the episode (Jayne's "I'll be in my bunk" quotes et al) so it was left in.
Anyway, those are a couple of the reasons I don't like War Stories as much as a lot of other fans. Still... River's trick shooting rawked!
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Torture as entertainment in War Stories; this is true of a number of TV shows in the US, some created by Whedon. An audience that can't be told the same things in different ways is deeply troubled.
Yeah but to me that scene really wasn't about the torture. It's about Mal's character. The way you think they're having an argument and then you realise Mal is keeping Wash going despite any issues they might be having. The torture added nothing to the scene but you had to know how bad things were for the characters for what Mal did to have an effect, I think. The scene to me is not remotely entertaining but it is very powerful and important to the characters' development.
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I like Heart of Gold a lot, and think that it has a GREAT villain (bearing in mind that we're talking villain rather than finely-nuanced-and-shaded character). But what I didn't like about it was Nandi dying; she should have survived and then Mal and Inara would have to sort out the situation with Nandi still in the picture.
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mines is easy..Kaylee, she annoys me so bad
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I think I agree with the Purple one. (No, not about Janis Joplin!) Petaline realistically shooting Rance Burgess is effective because it's unexpected in the general context of TV today. See also Mal shooting Lawrence Dobson, Mal shoving Crow in the engine...
Whereas I could have done with a little less on-screen torture in War Stories, the "look, I am James Bond villian, I have weird accent and daft pain device" stuff. The torture-as-entertainment shlock is sadly somewhat banal today, but there ain't enough good heroes killin' folk in cold blood.
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Oh yeh, one line, Book says to Inara:
"I don't think the Captain would much like me praying for him."
What priest in their right mind would care if someone wouldn't like them praying for them? As a faithful person, just because someone doesn't believe in God or has some problem with God in general, doesn't stop me praying for their safety or happiness or whatever.
Lol its just funny that Book, a Shepherd, would not understand such a fundamental part of the Christian faith and Inara would. That's pretty much the one line in firefly that annoys me
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Quote:I completely agree with you on the laser in Heart of Gold - that one bothered me.
Originally posted by Daikath:
What I hate? The villain in Heart of Gold having the best gun in the sector and then it runs out of batteries after having missed Mal. Totally unbelievable.
And I dislike some of the CGI, most of the time I truly dispise CGI but in Firefly it isn't that bad, only in The Message when you see the smoke is clearly CGI or the chandeleir in Shindig.
I just see it is so clearly fake and for the most of the time in movies and in tv series they don't even try to do it the old fashioned way, they just grab for the computer.
The chandelier, though... Heheh... See, personally, I think that it was a slam on all those shows that do the effect just for the effect (e.g., Phantom Menace). Mal's line referring to it was what made me realize that they were making fun of all that blatant and pointless CGI use. I don't remember the comment off the top of my head, but it was something to the effect of "What's the point?" Very funny, if you ask me...
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Originally posted by Jumpy:
Oh yeh, one line, Book says to Inara:
"I don't think the Captain would much like me praying for him."
What priest in their right mind would care if someone wouldn't like them praying for them? As a faithful person, just because someone doesn't believe in God or has some problem with God in general, doesn't stop me praying for their safety or happiness or whatever.
Lol its just funny that Book, a Shepherd, would not understand such a fundamental part of the Christian faith and Inara would. That's pretty much the one line in firefly that annoys me
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But every Christian has a deifferent interpretation of the religion. For one thing, forced conversion is immoral in the Christian faith (not that many haven't done that). Book has respect for Mal's wishes, and Mal does not wish to have a relationship with God. Book does not want to violate that because of his own beliefs. I think that's a very Christian response, as is Inara's.
As for annoyances - The captain not telling Tracey his plan kind of bothers me. If he'd explained it, Tracey might not have ended up dead.
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You're right, there are different interpretations of the religion. But I'm not talking about conversion or trying to change Mal's own beliefs though.
And you're right, Book does respect Mal's wishes.
That's why he's not saying "LOVE GOD YOU DAMN FOOL! LOVE HIM NOW!" and shoving a bible in his face.
But that's really got nothing to do with Book praying for Mal's safety. There is a huge difference between trying to force someone into your beliefs, and through your beliefs praying for their wellbeing. Why should Book really be hesitant about doing the latter? The fact is that Mal doesn't need to know about it, and its not going to have a negative effect on him. I don't feel you should have someone's express consent to simply pray for them, whatever their denomination or lack-there-of.
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