Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument
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Quote:You know who you are...
I shouldn’t have to write this article. And yet, here we are...
I don’t care who you are or how much Palmer Report you read: accusing someone who disagrees with you of conducting psyops for a foreign government is never, ever a normal or acceptable way of conducting political discourse.
I tweeted the above yesterday after noticing another uptick in the bizarre habit establishment loyalists
Quote:As well as shitting a gif into a thread before bailing. That's another tactic used frequently in these parts
have of labeling anyone who disagrees with them as Russian trolls. And, though I didn’t address it to her and made no mention of her, Louise Mensch took it personally.
This led to a deluge of fascinating interactions with Mensch’s followers, in which I was sincerely informed that Twitter has admitted to half of its users being Russian agents, though it is likely more. I was also called a Russian agent many, many times, because saying it’s not okay to accuse a stranger you disagree with of being a Russian agent is just the sort of thing a Russian agent would say.
Well, let me start off this weird, stupid article that I shouldn’t have to write by saying that I myself am not a Russian agent. I’ve never been to Russia, I have no ties to the Russian government, I rarely use sources in my articles that have ties to Russia, and to the best of my knowledge none of my patrons are Russian. I say this not because I feel a need to defend these foam-brained accusations but to point out that it is, in fact, very possible to disagree with the establishment Russia narrative without being incentivized to in rubles.
Political discourse between establishment loyalists and everyone else has been trampled to death by the gratuitous use of this obnoxious debate-avoiding tactic.
Quote:And neither are the people who make these accusations
Everyone who publicly questions the MSNBC Russia narrative will be met with these accusations. Everyone who speaks about it with much of an online following will receive these accusations on a daily basis.
This is not normal.
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Anti-Trumpists have been trained over the last year by people like Rachel Maddow, Louise Mensch, and the Palmer Report to believe that accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a Russian agent is a normal thing that sane people do, but they are wrong. It is a bizarre, obnoxious tactic, and when you use it, you are admitting that you have no argument.
The accusation would not be baseless. You should remind yourself what the USIC's official report said on the matter of Russian interference. — Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) November 27, 2017
Yes it would indeed be a baseless accusation, @LouiseMensch. You do not know who is and is not a Kremlin agent, and the odds that you are interacting with one are rare. If you have to resort to baseless accusations of Russian espionage, you are admitting you have no argument. — Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) November 27, 2017
In the unlikely event that any Louise Mensch types are still reading at this point, let me explain how normal online discourse operates:
Party A presents a position on an issue.
Party B presents a rebuttal to the position, often supplemented with links substantiating their claim.
Party A returns with their own counter-argument and their own substantiations.
Repeat this back-and-forth for as long as both parties remain interested.
The civility with which this discourse takes place varies wildly, and it can leave both parties feeling like they wasted an hour or two of their lives talking to a brick wall. But it can also be very informative to people watching, it can often lead to one party realizing that their argument isn’t nearly as strong as their partisan echo chamber had led them to believe it was, and it can cause both parties to do more research and rigorous thinking as they strive to come up with a compelling case.
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Same with calling somebody a Nazi.
I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.
Can't be both.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Palmer Report " The New Republic's Colin Dickey claims that Palmer "routinely blasts out stories that sound serious but are actually based on a single, unverified source," such as the time when he reported Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts had ordered Trump appointee Neil Gorsuch to recuse himself from all Trump-related Russia hearings, with his only sourcing coming from a "single tweet from an anonymous Twitter account under the name 'Puesto Loco.'"
Boy sig really does like to post from bullshit sources. With all the facts stacking up against Trump that she denies as nonexistent, she starts an entire thread based on this source.
Jack, the title of moron I gave you sure does fit. You jumped right in with both feet, without giving it a second thought. Why, because it fits into your demented logic. Something you can't yet see for yourself. Stay sober and your senses may return. That is, if you had any to begin with.
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Would you like to re-try arguing a point instead of just calling me a moron?
You are completely unable to even interact with me anymore without calling me names because that is all you have left. I post something to you and you do one of two things now.... You either disappear from the thread entirely, or you insult me and bring up my past with alcohol.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.
Can't be both.
I retain the distinction but recognise that communists have a rich history of supporting Nazis, and that sometimes history repeats itself.
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Quote:Links please?
I retain the distinction but recognise that communists have a rich history of supporting Nazis, and that sometimes history repeats itself. = KRAPO
Because you're beginning to sound like PirateNews with his Jewish-Nazi-Templar-Britishroyals-Communist-etc conspiracy theory.
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Bored on a Monday I see.
So funny - it's like you go out of your way to post things that point right back at you.
Fwiw: I have never accused anyone here of "conducting psyops for a foreign government" or being a nazi.
GSTRING- Did you see your name anywhere? Just like the respondent And, though I didn’t address it to her and made no mention of her, Louise Mensch took it personally, you took it personally.
Quote:Indeed.
Seriously, put your thinking cap on
Quote:Not as bad as "Russian troll".
"Establishment Loyalist??" Oooo! That sounds terrible!
Quote:Indeed, you're pointing back at yourself again.
Heh - hilarious... you're pointing back at yourself again
Quote:No, By constantly name-calling and engaging in libel. And as far as "collusion" is concerned, I'm not the one "constantly" shouting it, but there are others (you know who you are) who did. And then, they try to bury it and hope to make others forget that for a month or two it was their overriding concern.
"...Political discourse between (insert personal fav insult here) and everyone else has been trampled to death by the gratuitous use of this obnoxious debate-avoiding tactic." You mean like constantly talking about Hillary and Obama and shouting "collusion!" over and over?
Like the article says ... if you think someone is posting propaganda and lies, then you should be able to defend with truth and facts. If you have to rely on ad hominum arguments and libel, as you just did, to make your "point", you must not have a point to make. Or if you DO have a point to make (aside from name-calling) it's hard to tell from your posts.
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People who get mad after someone points out that they ALWAYS defend Russia ARE most likely Russian tools, uh trolls 
Do you get demerit points every time someone points that out? 
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https://frontier.yahoo.com/sports/russia-banned-2018-winter-olympics-p
yeongchang-183735604.html
Russian bitches get OWNED. I didn't think they'd ever have the balls
Good news day. Now let's see how comrade Trump reacts.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Links please?
I retain the distinction but recognise that communists have a rich history of supporting Nazis, and that sometimes history repeats itself. = KRAPO
Sure.
The pact between Hitler and Stalin that paved the way for World War II:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-21/pact-between-hitler-and-stalin-
paved-way-world-war-ii-was-signed-75-years-ago
Lessons of defeat: German communists and the rise of Hitler (note, this is from a socialist website):
http://socialistreview.org.uk/378/lessons-of-defeat
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"Trotsky and his German supporters pleaded in vain with the Communists to concentrate their efforts on the key issues of the moment, above all the threat of Nazism: "Denying this threat, belittling it, failing to take it seriously is the greatest crime that can be committed today." Instead of the ridiculous accusation that the foremost enemy was "social fascism", he called on the Communists to say the following to the Socialists: "The policies of our parties are irreconcilably opposed, but if the fascists come tonight to your organisation's hall, we will come running, arms in hand, to help you. Will you promise us that if our organisation is threatened you will rush to our aid?"
Alas, this united front was rejected by the Communists. The Trotskyists could do nothing. They were too small an organisation to have any impact on either of the main workers' parties.
There has been some debate about why Germany's Communists became so obsessed with castigating other parts of the left. The key responsibility for this certainly lay with Stalin who, having established a state capitalist dictatorship in Russia, was using the foreign communist movement as a tool of his foreign policy."
Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left
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Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to.
"Not fighting" is not the same as "supporting", and when push came to shove the Russians fought Nazis in a war in which 20 million Russians were killed, and won the European war against the Nazis.
You're just weird, KPO.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to.
"Not fighting" is not the same as "supporting", and when push came to shove the Russians fought Nazis in a war in which 20 million Russians were killed, and won the European war against the Nazis.
You're just weird, KPO.
According to sig, the Russians won the European war. And she claims she's not a Russian troll.
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Quote:According to HISTORIANS, the Russians won the war in Europe against the Nazis.
According to sig, the Russians won the European war. And she claims she's not a Russian troll.
YOU, SON, ARE BLAZINGLY IGNORANT. Everyone who knows anything knows that the Russians won that war for us. I guess THEY must all be "Russian trolls" too??? (We OTOH did more fighting in the Pacific.)
EVEN IN A TV SERIES COMEDY ABOUT WWII, called "Hogan's Heroes", they made backhanded references to the Russian war effort, because being sent to the "eastern front" (i.e Russia) was considered the ultimate punishment/ death sentence.
My god
you're such a boob. How did you grow up to be so uninformed? And how did you manage to STAY so uninformed through your adult life???
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:According to HISTORIANS, the Russians won the war in Europe against the Nazis.
According to sig, the Russians won the European war. And she claims she's not a Russian troll.
YOU, SON, ARE BLAZINGLY IGNORANT. Everyone who knows anything knows that the Russians won that war for us. I guess THEY must all be "Russian trolls" too??? (We OTOH did more fighting in the Pacific.)
EVEN IN A TV SERIES COMEDY ABOUT WWII, called "Hogan's Heroes", they made backhanded references to the Russian war effort, because being sent to the "eastern front" (i.e Russia) was considered the ultimate punishment/ death sentence.
My god
you're such a boob. How did you grow up to be so uninformed? And how did you manage to STAY so uninformed through your adult life???
I guess I'll have to read Russia's perspective to understand what the fuck it is you are talking about. If it wasn't for the weather and Allied troops you'd all be speaking German now. No, what you did was use it as an opportunity to steal your neighbors sovereignty and land. Shit, sounds like what you are doing today doesn't it.
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Clearly THUGR, you have nothing to say because you're pulling the "Russian troll" card, again. Also, you've gone back to shitting gifs.
Here's something about WWII that's about your speed. It's got pictures of cartoons and everything.:
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The 5 Most Widely Believed WWII Facts (That Are Bullshit)
America Won the War Single-Handedly
Claimed By:
Hollywood, WWII-shooters, Cold War politics and chauvinists.
Sixty years of World War II movies, and a decade of WWII video games, have made one thing clear: If it wasn't for America, you'd all be speaking German right now, baby! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Why it's Bullshit:
Because it's like thinking that while many X-Men contributed in their own special way, defeating Magneto really came down to Iceman.
There are two radically different histories of WW II, the one that was actually fought, and the one where the US kicked everyone's assess. Guess which one Cold War-era classrooms were allowed to teach? Here's a hint: It's the same one Hollywood chose to film.
... there is one Zangief-sized elephant in the room that America loved to leave out of conversation until the end of the Cold War: the Soviet Union. The "Great Patriotic War" as they called it was the single largest military operation in history, and home to perhaps the biggest turning-point of the war: the Battle of Stalingrad.
Understand, the Russia versus Germany part of the war wasn't just a little more important than the part the USA was involved in. It was "four times the scale" of the whole Western front, larger than all other phases of the war put together. The Soviet military suffered eight million soldiers dead, more than 20 freaking times the number of U.S. casualties.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-f
acts-that-are-bullshit.html
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clearly THUGR, you have nothing to say because you're pulling the "Russian troll" card, again. Also, you've gone back to shitting gifs.
Here's something about WWII that's about your speed. It's got pictures of cartoons and everything.:Quote:
The 5 Most Widely Believed WWII Facts (That Are Bullshit)
America Won the War Single-Handedly
Claimed By:
Hollywood, WWII-shooters, Cold War politics and chauvinists.
Sixty years of World War II movies, and a decade of WWII video games, have made one thing clear: If it wasn't for America, you'd all be speaking German right now, baby! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Why it's Bullshit:
Because it's like thinking that while many X-Men contributed in their own special way, defeating Magneto really came down to Iceman.
There are two radically different histories of WW II, the one that was actually fought, and the one where the US kicked everyone's assess. Guess which one Cold War-era classrooms were allowed to teach? Here's a hint: It's the same one Hollywood chose to film.
... there is one Zangief-sized elephant in the room that America loved to leave out of conversation until the end of the Cold War: the Soviet Union. The "Great Patriotic War" as they called it was the single largest military operation in history, and home to perhaps the biggest turning-point of the war: the Battle of Stalingrad.
Understand, the Russia versus Germany part of the war wasn't just a little more important than the part the USA was involved in. It was "four times the scale" of the whole Western front, larger than all other phases of the war put together. The Soviet military suffered eight million soldiers dead, more than 20 freaking times the number of U.S. casualties.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-f
acts-that-are-bullshit.html
First, your facts can't be trusted. Second, let me explain what WW11 did that reflects negatively on what Trump ( with your blessing ) is doing today.
WW11 took American out of it's isolationism phase. Through our dealings with our allies we learned that America first didn't work. That what happens in the world will engulf us whether we want it to or not. That we could work with other nations to create a better world and did.
That sig, made America number one. Not our isolationism tendencies of the past. You troll and Trump, are fighting to bring us down by repeating today those ignorant aspects of our past. You will fail.
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Go check up on any MAINSTREAM WWII historian that you care to find, they'll tell you the same thing.
As far as WWII is concerned, we achieved our manufacturing status on by climbing over the backs of destroyed manufacturing elsewhere.
You're an embarrassment to your "friends" here on the board. Not one of them will support you in this stupidity because, unlike you, they know that you're an ignoramus.
Ignorance can be cured by information, THUGR. But you are WILLFULLY and DELIBERATELY ignorant, and that can't be cured until you decide to learn.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Go check up on any MAINSTREAM WWII historian that you care to find, they'll tell you the same thing.
As far as WWII is concerned, we achieved our manufacturing status on by climbing over the backs of destroyed manufacturing elsewhere.
You're an embarrassment to your "friends" here on the board. Not one of them will support you in this stupidity because, unlike you, they know that you're an ignoramus.
Why are you so upset with me for arguing with you about Russia? Why is it so important to you we all believe Russia won the war and saved us all?
Could it be because you are Russia? We know the answer but sill you should cop to it.
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I guess all of your "friends" here on this board must be "Russian trolls" too, then.
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The more you pull this "Russian troll" shit, the more you prove the point of the thread.
Do you REALLY think that the Soviet Union didn't win the war in Europe? Then go look it up. Since propaganda and lies can be countered with truth and facts, bring truth and facts to the board and make your case.
Just go look it up. Stop refusing to learn. You'll be much happier.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I guess all of your "friends" here on this board must be "Russian trolls" too, then.
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The more you pull this "Russian troll" shit, the more you prove the point of the thread.
Do you REALLY think that the Soviet Union didn't win the war in Europe? Then go look it up. Since propaganda and lies can be countered with truth and facts, bring truth and facts to the board and make your case.
Just go look it up. Stop refusing to learn. You'll be much happier.
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BTW, I think Trump getting drunk and giving his speech today was an indicator that Comrade Putin was not happy about the Olympics.
And yeah, he was drunk. Bigly.
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Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to.
Which would have been forever if Hitler hadn't broken the pact and invaded. Stalin was quite happy with the deal he struck with Hitler - carving up Eastern Europe, exchanging large amounts of arms and raw materials with the Nazis, and then sitting back and watching the Nazi war machine squash Western Europe.
When Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back and invaded, Stalin refused to believe it was happening and needlessly sacrificed large portions of the Red Army through inaction.
In the end, the Soviet Union turned the tide and steam-rollered Nazi Germany, but with massive material assistance from the US and Britain (Lend Lease).
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Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to. - SIGNY
Which would have been forever if Hitler hadn't broken the pact and invaded. - KPO
KPO: Just as WE wouldn't have entered WWII until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. What are you, nuts?
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WISHY ... Did you not hear the intro? That was all Trump at half speed. If I were to slow YOU down to half speed, you'd sound drunk too!
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THUGR: I see that you're retreating with every post. In your last post you had, literally, nothing to say ... once again proving the title of the thread. So - thanks!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to. - SIGNY
Which would have been forever if Hitler hadn't broken the pact and invaded. - KPO
Just as WE wouldn't have entered the war against Japan until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. What are you, nuts, KPO?
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WISHY ... Did you not hear the intro? That was all Trump at half speed. If I were to slow YOU down to half speed, you'd sound drunk too!
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THUGR: I see that you're retreating with every post. In your last post you had, literally, nothing to say ... once again proving the title of the thread. So - thanks!
Russia entered into an agreement that allowed Hitler to attack his neighbors with impunity. They paid for that because they were next. They paid 20 million worth, perhaps more.
Then they did what Hitler did. Steal land and sovereignty from their neighbors. They called it the Soviet Union. A Union that required barbed wire and walls to keep people from running for the hills. Remember that comrade sig?
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So THUGR, you agree that Russia beat the Nazis in Europe?
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I have an obsession with reality, not with Russia. Watching you guys tie yourselves into knots of Gordian proportions trying to deny reality, or trying to maintain a weird narrative, is interesting.
But it's YOU who keeps bringing up Russia, not me. Seriously, just look at the thread titles and who posts them. I'm not sure that I EVER posted about Russia.
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WISHY ... Did you not hear the intro? That was all Trump at half speed. If I were to slow YOU down to half speed, you'd sound drunk too!
No it would NOT. I do not slur or ramble or make up nonsense words. Which was the real point of the video, to highlight his damaged speech patterns.
The man is a substance abuser. I've worked enough jobs around alcohol to know for SURE.
Rosy Dory??????
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G, Wishy, T and Second no longer even attempt to deal in facts. They merely insult nearly everyone else on the board at any given opportunity.
It seems that they've devolved into the neo-basket-of-deplorables.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So THUGR, you agree that Russia beat the Nazis in Europe?
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Nope, what I said was Russia entered into an agreement that allowed Hitler to attack his neighbors with impunity. They paid for that because they were next. They paid with 20 million, perhaps more Russian lives. The allies actions in Europe saved Russia's ass.
Then the Russians did what Hitler did. Steal land and sovereignty from their neighbors. They called their ill gotten gains the Soviet Union. A Union that required barbed wire and walls to keep people from running for the hills. Remember that comrade sig?
Today they've adopted Hitler's strategy and are using it in Georgia and the Ukraine. Isn't that so comrade sig?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So THUGR, you agree that Russia beat the Nazis in Europe?
Quote:Soviet deaths in WWII were between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
G, Wishy, T and Second no longer even attempt to deal in facts. They merely insult nearly everyone else on the board at any given opportunity.
It seems that they've devolved into the neo-basket-of-deplorables.
German deaths were 6,900,000 to 7,400,000. The Allies, excluding the Soviets, killed half those. Stalin’s strategy was to bury each dead German under the bodies of seven dead Soviet Citizens. That would only work because it was 188,793,000 Soviets against 69,300,000 Germans who knew when to surrender. The years of peace and prosperity for Germany since WWII show that the Germans won and Russia lost, compared to Germany. The Germans should thank Russians for removing a democratically elected German government from Berlin in 1945. Maybe the Russians can do the same favor for Americans in 2018, without all the bloodshed of WWII, by releasing their secret files on Trump?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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Quote:As usual, you're bullshitting. First of all your link doesn't even contain that claim, let alone support it. Second of all, you're wrong.
Originally posted by second:
German deaths were 6,900,000 to 7,400,000. The Allies, excluding the Soviets, killed half those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II
OKW Casualty Figures Sept 1, 1939 to Jan 31, 1945
Army Eastern Front 1,105,987Dead 1,018,365Missing&POW 2,124,352Total 3,498,059Wounded&Sick
Subtotal Army 1,622,561Dead 1,646,316Missing&POW 3,268,877Total 4,188,037Wounded&Sick
In other words, the Eastern (Russian) Front accounted for 11 out of 16 dead German soldiers, 10 out of 16 missing and POW German soldiers, and 35 out of 42 wounded and sick German soldiers.
Why have you taken up lying, SECOND?
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:1kiki, you're getting as nutty as Trump with his "Fake News".
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:As usual, you're bullshitting. First of all your link doesn't even contain that claim, let alone support it. Second of all, you're wrong.
Originally posted by second:
German deaths were 6,900,000 to 7,400,000. The Allies, excluding the Soviets, killed half those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II
OKW Casualty Figures Sept 1, 1939 to Jan 31, 1945
Army Eastern Front 1,105,987Dead 1,018,365Missing&POW 2,124,352Total 3,498,059Wounded&Sick
Subtotal Army 1,622,561Dead 1,646,316Missing&POW 3,268,877Total 4,188,037Wounded&Sick
In other words, the Eastern (Russian) Front accounted for 11 out of 16 dead German soldiers, 10 out of 16 missing and POW German soldiers, and 35 out of 42 wounded and sick German soldiers.
Why have you taken up lying, SECOND?
1kiki, look at the column titled: "Total Deaths". It is just to the right of the column titled: "Civilian deaths due to war related famine and disease" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
1kiki, Civilian deaths count, in my opinion, along with Army deaths. And for every German, either civilian or military, that Stalin killed, about seven Soviets died, also counting civilians along with Soviet army dead.
Stalin smothered the Germans to death underneath a monstrously large heap of dead Soviet Citizens. I am thankful he did. And Putin can follow Stalin's example by smothering Trump to death underneath a heap of secret papers from the files on Trump. I would be thankful if he did.
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But it's YOU who keeps bringing up Russia, not me. Seriously, just look at the thread titles and who posts them. I'm not sure that I EVER posted about Russia. - SIGNY
So... you're not including this thread that you started and posted in? You really have to try to be that stupid. - GSTRING
One thread?
Compared to ... how many you and KRAPO and THUGR started, all hysterical about Russia??
And this isn't about "Russia" per se. It isn't about
Russia invades Ukraine
Putin's disaster
Russia's war crimes in Syria
Russia/Trump on trial
Russia wants to upend western democracy
Democrats eyeing 2018 say it's time to start talking Russia
Russia suspended from 2016 Olympics?
RT.com Host Exposed as Neo-Nazi Editor
The Future: More Russian Hacking
Russia's Fake Americans
Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down
The State of Freedom in Russia
Russia-backed Facebook page
Russia propping up North Korea's nuclear program
Russian Election Hacking Efforts, Wider Than Previously Known, Draw Little Scrutiny
etc
You guys are seriously obsessed with Russia!
But THIS thread isn't about "Russia". Nope, it's about YOU.
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Quote:And what does that have to do with Russia beating Germany on behalf of the other allies? Oh, that's right - NOTHING. It's your usual, pointless, off topic,. irrelevant snark.
Originally posted by second:
nothing relevant
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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UH OH, I think our Russian trolls are upset.
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UH OH
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Wow, "Russian troll" AND gif-shitting! THUGR, you're too predictable! You keep proving this thread over and over, don't you?
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THUGGER is a paid troll. That's why he works so hard at it. That, and it's probably the only thing he's good for.
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Quote:Looking at the second page, there are FIVE, conveniently all in a row, all about Russia, and all by you!
Looking at the first page I have only started 2 threads, and neither about Russia.
Russia suspended from 2016 Olympics? G 189 11/16/2017 6:41:39 PM
RT.com Host Exposed as Neo-Nazi Editor G 36 11/15/2017 10:52:05 PM
The Future: More Russian Hacking G 33 11/15/2017 5:14:15 PM
Russia Invades Ukraine G 1529 11/15/2017 5:10:52 PM
Russia's Fake Americans G 41 11/15/2017 5:07:58 PM
Quote:GSTRING: LIAR
While you have started tons of whiny threads many of which are about Russia or Russia's influence and buggery in the world.
But yanno, if you want to be seen as something other than a BLATANT LIAR, why don't you list those titles right here?
Select to view spoiler:
I'll bet this is going to be like that "evidence" that everyone kept saying existed, but nobody could QUITE manage to post on the board.
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Russia suspended from 2016 Olympics? G 189 11/16/2017 6:41:39 PM
RT.com Host Exposed as Neo-Nazi Editor G 36 11/15/2017 10:52:05 PM
The Future: More Russian Hacking G 33 11/15/2017 5:14:15 PM
Russia Invades Ukraine G 1529 11/15/2017 5:10:52 PM
Russia's Fake Americans G 41 11/15/2017 5:07:58 PM
Also including
Russia's Cyberwar on Ukraine is the Blueprint for what's to come
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61747
Russia propping up North Korea's nuclear program
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61919&mid=10380
73#1038073
Pro-Russian Bots Take Up the Right-Wing Cause After Charlottesville
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61877&mid=10376
25#1037625
Putin's Real Long Game
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&p=1
Russian Election Hacking Efforts, Wider Than Previously Known, Draw Little Scrutiny
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61895&mid=10375
43#1037543
Don't laugh: Trump's Justice Dept pick worked for Russian Bank
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61890&mid=10374
66#1037466
And that's in less than half a year!
Of course, that doesn't include the hundreds and hundreds of propaganda posts you contributed to your threads and others', both in threads that started about Russia, and threads you turned into propaganda pieces about Russia.
And your trolling of course, some of which actually got banished to TROLL COUNTRY, because well, you're a proven troll. But that's another topic.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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The clock is ticking, GSTRING, if you want to prove that you're not a liar now's the time to start listing all of those threads that I started about Russia.
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The Russians are erecting new statues to Stalin. Those hero-worshiping Russians would be upset by the mention that seven Russians had to die for every German killed. And 1kiki is upset. Comrade 1kiki, did you reveal your true loyalty?
It should be upsetting to honor the leader, Stalin, whose incompetence killed 27,000,000 Soviets. In the USA it would be like erecting new statues to Confederate War Heroes.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/16/soviet-union-terror-josef
-stalin-popularity/556625001/
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:And what does that have to do with Russia beating Germany on behalf of the other allies? Oh, that's right - NOTHING. It's your usual, pointless, off topic,. irrelevant snark.
Originally posted by second:
nothing relevant
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:This isn't about Russia, it's about YOU.
While you have started tons of whiny threads many of which are about Russia or Russia's influence and buggery in the world.- GSTRING
GSTRING: LIAR But yanno, if you want to be seen as something other than a BLATANT LIAR, why don't you list those titles right here? - SIGNY
Damnit! You got me! You have posted more whiny threads about Russia than I have:
1. Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument
Quote:Not about Russia. It includes, among other things, Lynch's conversation with Bill about Hillary's State Dept emails (NOT RUSSIA) and Comey's early closing of the investigation about Hillary's emails (NOT RUSSIA), Dirty Debbie's employment of Iawan Imran (NOT RUSSIA), leaks to the press (NOT RUSSIA), the DNC's rigging the Primary (NOT RUSSIA), the FBI-DNC link (NOT RUSSIA), and Hillary and her State Dept emails (NOT RUSSIA).
2. Lynch. Comey. Dirty Debbie. Hillary. The FBI-DNC link, and the DOJ, again. It's one giant deep state clusterfvck
Wow, you're so sensitive to the topic of "Russia" you see it where it doesn't even exist. Are you sure YOU'RE not a Russian troll???
Quote:This is about the MSM printing wrong/ unverified stories about Trump, based on anonymous sources. Actually, I missed this in the thread, but SECOND posted a great fix for bad reporting
3. Fake news: CNN; NYT; VICE; WaPo; WSJ. ... now ABC .... It's like a trainwreck, but I can't stop watching
Quote:I don't know how I missed this, but kudos to SECOND!
the news could stop using Anonymous unless the editor knows the Anonymous’ real name. If Anonymous lied to gullible reporters, Anonymous’ real name is published by the editor, along with a retraction.
Quote:Flynn pleads guilty about Lying to the FBI. Russia didn't "do" anything illegal with Flynn, and Flynn didn't "do" anything illegal with Russia. The topic is the lie, not Russia.
4. Flynn pleads guilty to lying to the FBI
Quote:Snipers were hired by Ukrainian opposition, they say. This is about Ukraine's former government, and the Maidan sniper shootings. Nothing in there about Russia.
5. Euromaidan Snipers Were Hired By Ukrainian Opposition (Italian media)
Quote:This is about the USA's war in Syria. We (the USA) started it long before Russia ever got involved, how we're striking pro-Assad forces, violating Syrian airspace, and coming close to warring directly with Russia in some faraway place that doesn't mean anything to us.
6. Latest on US war in Syria. What's not to like?
Quote:YES! Something about Trump and Putin! You finally got one.
7. Trump, Putin meet at sidelines of SE Asia meeting; Tump blasts his own intel
Quote:This is about Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, and natural gas.
8. What the hell?? Qatar dustup. Now, Saudi Game of Thrones "red wedding", and that little shit Jared Kushner
Quote:This is about Hillary and her corruption.
9. Hillary: "Trump Dossier", "gross negligence", taking over the DNC and a whole thread just for her
Quote:Paul Manafort was indicted on NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP. Or Russia, for that matter. Jeez, even when a post explicitly says that this is "not about Russia", you make it about Russia?
10. Paul Manafort indicted, on nothing related to Trump - or Russia
Quote:This is about separatist movements. Other people brought "Russia" into the discussion; I was trying to understand separatist movements generally and how they could be legitimized, because I think separatism is a good counterweight to consolidation.
11. Syria and Ukraine, Catalan and Kurdistan: what do they have in common?
Quote:Yes, "Evidens"... where ARE we now?
12. “Evidens". So, where are we now?
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Quote:It took me about 5 minutes, mostly waiting for the site. Because, unlike you, I know how to use a computer. Because, unlike you, I'm not stupid.
Originally posted by G:
You went back half a year? Do you have any life? Cats all dead, wine all drunk?
But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession. You've been squeezing out anti-Russia propaganda threads every week or so, not to mention the hundreds on hundreds of anti-Russia posts.
And aside from that, you're an everyday sadist.
Do you have mental health issues?
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:more pointless stupidity
Originally posted by second:
...
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... I missed this in the thread, but SECOND posted a great fix for bad reportingQuote:I don't know how I missed this, but kudos to SECOND!
the news could stop using Anonymous unless the editor knows the Anonymous’ real name. If Anonymous lied to gullible reporters, Anonymous’ real name is published by the editor, along with a retraction.
I third that, but there would have to be audio and/or video to back that up as well. Otherwise it's meaningless.
The more I think about it, the more it doesn't sound plausible in practice.
"Anonymous" may or may not be lying when they say what they're saying, but they feel safe saying it only because they're "off the record". Whether what they're saying is true or a lie, they might not say it at all if they're essentially being blackmailed with it for an indefinite amount of time after the fact by the MSM.
"Anonymous" may not even exist... but it would be easy for the MSM to give them an identity after the fact if something were to blow up in their face.
Let's say "Anonymous" is real... Say what they're saying IS true at the time, but circumstances behind the scenes change and now it seems to have been a lie. It wasn't a lie at the time it was said, but now Rachel Maddow can save her own career by outing this anonymous source and throwing them into the public gallows.
I don't know what the answer to this is, and this one isn't necessarily wrong, but I think it needs to be thought out a bit more and revamped.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Noise is all you trolls post. You aren't addressing the Russian investigation. What you are doing is deflecting. You aren't debating about all the Russian contacts we have been learning about. You know, the ones the entire administration claimed didn't happen, but did.
No, instead you just claim there is nothing to see here. No Russian Trump interaction conspiricy all. Instead you bring up Hillary and others.
What you trolls represent is the party of perverts and pedophiles.
T
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Quote:Yup, like I said: When I DON'T talk about Russia, it's about Russia. When I DO talk about Russia, it's about Russia. And when Russia is just a tangential reference, it's STILL about Russia!
You aren't addressing the Russian investigation. What you are doing is deflecting. You aren't debating about all the Russian contacts we have been learning about. You know, the ones the entire administration claimed didn't happen, but did.
For you it's all about Russia and it's ALWAYS about Russia.
YOU GUYS HAVE RUSSIA ON THE BRAIN!
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What you trolls represent is the party of perverts and pedophiles.
LOL...
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Quote:I wonder which President the Nobel Peace Prize Winners are warning of?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Every single thread about anything, YOU collectively turn it into a discussion of Russia! I can't help it if you're obsessed with the topic. You see it where it doesn't even exist, you insert it into threads that are explicitly NOT about Russia.
Nuclear destruction 'one impulsive tantrum away,' Nobel winners warn
After the US dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Thurlow said that as a 13-year-old schoolgirl in 1945 she witnessed classmates who had "parts of their bodies missing" and "flesh and skin hanging from their bones".
Thurlow's 4-year-old nephew was also killed after being "transformed into an unrecognizable melted chunk of flesh."
"He kept begging for water in a faint voice until his death released him from agony," Thurlow said.
www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/europe/nobel-peace-prize-ceremony/index.html
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And in a thread about Russian trolls, SECOND inserts a post about Trump.
Interestingly, SECOND, by about this time on Obama's term of office, he had
Poured trillions of dollars into the banks and ...
Escalated drone strikes
Quote:https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-
President Obama presided over a drone strike for the first time shortly after taking office, on January 22, 2009. The strike missed its target, and Newsweek reported that Obama was made aware almost immediately that innocents died in the attack. By the end of 2009 the CIA had already conducted its 100th drone strike in Pakistan....
The following year, a significant escalation in the drone war occurred not because “this technology really began to take off,” to repeat Obama’s construction, which seems to assign responsibility for targeted killings to drones themselves, but in part because of a deliberate response to a suicide attack on a U.S. outpost in Afghanistan that killed multiple CIA officers, prompting an unnamed official to tell The Guardian, “This attack will be avenged through successful, aggressive counterterrorism operations." Many were cross-border drone strikes targeting the Taliban. As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism later reported in its retrospective timeline, “2010 was to be the bloodiest year of drone strikes in Pakistan.”
weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/
He also expanded secret surveillance of all Americans (only pulling back when publicly confronted)
So yeah, Obama ... what a peace-loving guy!
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Quote:So, Signym, are you insinuating that this year's Nobel Peace Prize winners are in error when they speak of a certain President who is 'one impulsive tantrum away' from nuclear destruction? Will Trump be receiving his Nobel Peace Prize, Signym? Obama got one to remind him and encourage him to restrain the Pentagon from doing its worst. With the oversized military budgets that Congress gives the Pentagon, and the manner in which Republican Congressmen insist every problem is solvable by killing civilians, I think keeping those generals on a short dog-leash is very hard for a President. He has to tell Congress "No! Down boy!" The Dogs of War are always barking in Congress. Hard work and restraint are not Trump's strongest characteristics unlike Obama, for example.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So yeah, Obama ... what a peace-loving guy!
The U.S. has also conducted more than 100 strikes against Al Qaeda in Yemen in 2017, compared with 38 in 2016. Trump did promise in a campaign speech in 2015 to “bomb the shit” out of ISIS, and he seems to be living up to his word—with little regard for the consequences.
www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667
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What's your argument here Second, other than "my guy was less evil than your guy. Neener neener!"
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Yes. But instead of insinuating it, I'll say it out loud: If you look at what Presidents DO, instead of what they SAY, you'll see that Trump has caused less destruction than Obama. So far, they're wrong.
So, Signym, are you insinuating that this year's Nobel Peace Prize winners are in error when they speak of a certain President who is 'one impulsive tantrum away' from nuclear destruction?
Quote:Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize even tho he's a convicted war criminal. Obama got one because he was the first half-black President of the USA... even tho he hadn't actually DONE anything to deserve one by then. The Peace Prize is, as far as I can tell, far too politicized to actually mean anything.
Will Trump be receiving his Nobel Peace Prize, Signym?
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But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession. You've been squeezing out anti-Russia propaganda threads every week or so, not to mention the hundreds on hundreds of anti-Russia posts.
And aside from that, you're an everyday sadist.
Do you have mental health issues?
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same with calling somebody a Nazi.
I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.
Can't be both.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same with calling somebody a Nazi.
I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.
Can't be both.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.
LOL... very true.
It's just the disconnect that's necessary to keep up the narrative. Facts no longer have any relevance because acknowledging even just a part of one of them could expose their always-hypocritical thinking and possibly bring the entire house of cards down.
As long as they keep the brain shut down and base their existence and actions entirely around "feels" than anything is possible.
Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?
Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?
Yeah... that's so last month.
Now all Republicans are pedophiles.
I wonder what they'll be next month.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I have items 4) and 5) to add to your short list of Republican character flaws:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?
Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?
Yeah... that's so last month.
Now all Republicans are pedophiles.
I wonder what they'll be next month.
1) Nazis
2) Russian puppets
3) Pedophiles
4) Republicans are the World's worst at understanding the news. Republicans don't believe what they read or watch on TV.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/republicans-really-really-hate-
the-press/
5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you Republicans? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? (That describes half the jobs in America.) You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-fo
rce-participation-rate/
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Quote:Or better yet, sneer at the jobless people in fly-over country who have the nerve to complain.
Originally posted by second:
5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you DEMOCRATS? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-fo
rce-participation-rate/
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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I'm working a shitty job with low pay.
I'm also not a Republican, so I guess that doesn't contradict Second's number 5.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I am in Texas. 6ixStringJack is in Indiana. Find somebody in Indiana that will pay 6 a higher wage. If his fellow Indianans won't pay attention to his problems, are you really and truly expecting the President born in Queens, NY, who doesn't know him, to give more attention to him than people who are familiar with him?
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:Or better yet, sneer at the jobless people in fly-over country who have the nerve to complain.
Originally posted by second:
5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you DEMOCRATS? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-fo
rce-participation-rate/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Did you vote for Trump? Do you defend Trump? A yes to either makes you a Republican. And about the shitty job: half the jobs in America are dirty, shitty jobs. And these jobs still have to be done despite that. The only variable is the pay. Republicans are opposed to raising the minimum wage. Democrats are not. The Republicans in Congress will fight any increase. Consider that.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm working a shitty job with low pay.
I'm also not a Republican, so I guess that doesn't contradict Second's number 5.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same with calling somebody a Nazi.
I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.
Can't be both.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.
LOL... very true.
It's just the disconnect that's necessary to keep up the narrative. Facts no longer have any relevance because acknowledging even just a part of one of them could expose their always-hypocritical thinking and possibly bring the entire house of cards down.
As long as they keep the brain shut down and base their existence and actions entirely around "feels" than anything is possible.
Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?
Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?
Yeah... that's so last month.
Now all Republicans are pedophiles.
I wonder what they'll be next month.
You realize most of what you just posted is incorrect, right? I'm happy to examine them one by one for you so you can maybe, *learn.*
Please do.
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For one, are you talking about anyone on this board?
Yes. I've been called a Nazi on this board quite a few times by Reaverfan and Wishy, as well as a misogynist by you, T and Wishy. I've also been accused by JO several times of being on Putin's payroll.
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2: Where do you get this sh*t?
Different places. Don't have to go far from the RWED to see it all the time though.
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I also wonder what YouTube meme you'll be repeating next month after SJW and Virtue Signaling are so last month.
I've been using them for well over a year and I don't see it stopping anytime soon since it perfectly describes the situation. Stop doing it and I'll stop saying it.
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It's important for you to reveal where you get stuff so you can see where you are wrong and just being guided by your *feels.*
Sure... whatever.
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"I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. "
Who are: "today's sheeple liberals?" for instance. Let's just start with that.
Anybody who virtue signals on a daily basis. Anyone throwing around the word Nazi like it doesn't have any real meaning. Anyone who's only argument is to call somebody a Russian Troll... for starters.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Not so much for facts, but Trump watches TV to gather ‘Ammunition’ for his tweets.
Originally posted by G:
I disagree strongly with the last part of your #4:
"4) Republicans don't believe what they read or watch on TV."
Trump watches 4-8 hours of Fux and he believes every minute. In fact, he makes policy based on what they say.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-prodigious-television-news
-consumption-new-york-times-report
A New York Times report Saturday detailed President Donald Trump’s complicated relationship with TV news and his heavy consumption of it.
People close to Trump estimate that he spends “at least four hours a day, and sometimes as much as twice that, in front of a television,” sometimes on mute, “marinating in the no-holds-barred wars of cable news and eager to fire back.”
Trump reportedly begins his day around 5:30 each morning tuning into TV in the White House’s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to “Fox & Friends” for “comfort and messaging ideas,” and sometimes MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” because it “fires him up for the day.”
Aides also monitor “Fox & Friends” in the morning “the way commodities traders might keep tabs on market futures to predict the direction of their day.” They’ve learned that if Trump does not immediately tweet about “something memorable” on Fox, he may be saving it for later viewing on his “Super TiVo” recorder and instead watch MSNBC or CNN live—both of which put him “in a foul mood to start the day.”
The funny part is that Trump's unaware of what he is doing:
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“I know they like to say—people that don’t know me—they like to say I watch television,” Trump said. “People with fake sources—you know, fake reporters, fake sources. But I don’t get to watch much television, primarily because of documents. I’m reading documents a lot.”
Trump’s constant need to consume TV is reportedly chronic enough that one former top adviser told NYT that he “grew uncomfortable after two or three days of peace and could not handle watching the news without seeing himself on it.”
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Just a few random comments:
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In a thread about those who call people "Russian trolls", SECOND is doing a bang-up job deflecting from the discussion!
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Quote:Hey, I think you liberal neocons should get your story straight because according to GSTRING, the employment picture is GREAT! GREAT! GREAT!
5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World.- SECOND
*****, in fact,
Quote:Why? You can't stand by the comments that you made six short months ago? Are you hoping people will forget what you said six short months ago? Brain too thoroughly washed to retain POV more than two weeks? Ready to switch "enemies" the moment the MSM points in another direction?
You went back half a year?- GSTRING
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Yanno, for what I thought was just a throw-away post which only says what I've been saying ever since the "Russian troll" (fake) meme took hold here, this sure has gotten a lot of traction. But it doesn't deserve this kind of attention! There's a real simple lesson here:
Propaganda and lies can be fought with facts and truth. You shouldn't have to be limited to name-calling, which is what kindergarteners do, to make your point ... if indeed you have a point to make. There should be an equivalent to "Godwin's law"...
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there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison [to Hitler or Nazis] is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Adolf Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law
... for ALL such comparisons, including "anti-Semite", "Russian troll", "Nazi", "bomb-throwing terrorist", and "(fill in the hated group here) because in reality you HAVE lost the debate when you get to that point.
Anyway, it's a boring topic by now and there are a lot more important things to discuss. THUGR, GSTRING, JO, SECOND, KRAPO, WISHY ... learn from it or not, it's up to you.
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Quote:If there were Russian Trolls posting on this thread, they would be serving their country, earning their living, and writing well. If those "Russian Trolls" are Americans, then they are writing well and nothing more. Take your choice.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just a few random comments:
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In a thread about those who call people "Russian trolls", SECOND is doing a bang-up job deflecting from the discussion!
Since we dragged in American employment, I got an article about that:
Pessimism and Paralysis in the Aftermath of the Financial Crisis
www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/opinion/pessimism-and-paralysis-in-the-afte
rmath-of-the-financial-crisis.html
The latest job report was very good, except for one thing: wage growth is still much lower than it was before the financial crisis. And this reminds me of a controversy that raged around four or five years ago, during what now seems like a golden age – an era when it seemed as if facts and reasoned debate might actually matter for policy.
Anyway, at the time unemployment was still very high compared with its pre-crisis level, and some of us were urging strong policies – especially infrastructure spending — to boost demand. But some economists argued that high unemployment was “structural” – that there was a mismatch between the skills the workforce had and those the economy needed. This was probably a minority view within the profession, but was pretty much dominant among Beltway pundits.
The structural view had clear policy implications, because if you believed it the case for employment-boosting stimulus was much weaker than if you believed that high unemployment really, truly represented lots of Americans willing to work.
Anti-structuralists – demand siders? – tried to point out that if the structural story were true, there should be a lot of upward pressure on the wages of those workers who did have the right skills; in fact, nobody was seeing much in the way of wage gains. But this argument made little headway among Serious People.
But here we are: there hasn’t been a significant change in the skills of the workforce, but unemployment is now lower than it was in 2007, and wage growth is still low. The demand siders were right.
Does it matter? After all, at this point we are indeed more or less back to full employment, although those wage numbers suggest that we still have a bit further to go. But we spent a long time with supernormal unemployment: it was 9 years before the unemployment rate got back down to its December 2007 level of 4.7 percent, and the average rate over that period was 7.3 percent. Using Okun’s Law, this implies something like average underutilization of capacity by 5 percent over that period – so a loss of 45 percent of one year’s GDP, say $8 trillion.
And this $8 trillion loss didn’t have to happen: adequate, sustained stimulus could have eliminated most of it.
So why did the structuralist view prevail? There was some left-right aspect, as there is with everything these days – any analysis suggesting that the government can do positive things is automatically rejected by half the political spectrum. But there was also the problem Keynesian economics always faces: it just doesn’t sound serious enough to Serious People. The idea that mass unemployment is fundamentally just a problem of inadequate demand – that all we have is magneto trouble – and that it is easily solved by spending more, sounds too easy.
I’d like to think that the way things turned out would serve as a lesson in future crises. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
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If your system doesn’t work and you don’t know why, it’s quite hard to improve it. If you do know why it’s failing, oftentimes the solution is a foregone conclusion.
https://qz.com/1146753
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession.
Hahahahahaha! *gasp* OMG - You just can't let it go! Too funny. Obsess away!
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kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.
To funny
T
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.
To funny
I know full well when I've won the point.
A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.
B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.
C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.
Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.
To funny
I know full well when I've won the point.
A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.
B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.
C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.
Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
They do have one thing in common Jack. They are all things that are done to you that really push your buttons.
Get it??
T
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.
To funny
I know full well when I've won the point.
A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.
B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.
C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.
Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
They do have one thing in common Jack. They are all perceived slights by you that really push your buttons.
Get it??
T
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Quote:it took you a whole 24 hors to come up with that? God you're slow-witted. And lame.
Originally posted by G:
Hahahahahaha! *gasp* OMG - You just can't let it go! Too funny. Obsess away!
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:6ixStringJack, in your mind and imagination you won, but not in reality, not in Indiana, and certainly not in Texas.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I know full well when I've won the point.
A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.
B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.
C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.
Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.
6ixStringJack, you have a poorly paid job now and long periods of unemployment because people don't believe Keynesian Economics. Why don't they? Because it requires government spending to increase during job slumps and that is the opposite of what Republicans do. What really angers Republicans is that Keynesian Economics also requires government to increase taxes on the people who are prospering too much, the 1 Percenters. Keynesian Economics does not fall into the trap of believing cost-free adjustments to foreign trade agreements like NAFTA will create enough high pay factory jobs for everyone because that doesn't actually work, despite Republicans (and especially Trump) imagining it does.
www.investopedia.com/terms/k/keynesianeconomics.asp
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by G:
Eh? So too lazy to read the post I added? Too many words maybe? Look up^
Look at the Facebook thread I created, or in the Male Role Model thread you created for examples.
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Ok, lots of made up BS there. I've never called you "misogynist" for one. "Fuck head" yes.
Oh yes you did. I can't be arsed to go back to the time when all we were talking about was Trump grabbing pussy, but you were among the people calling me one.
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You have repeated "people have called me a nazi" over and over and yet in reality you've been called that like what, 2, 3 times?
I've been called "Naziboy" or some other deravitive of Nazi by Reaverfan alone at least 20 times. I'll admit that I can't say for sure if you or T were guilty of that, so I won't press the issue.
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You've called Wishy a lot of shit, so that's just return fire - you both hate each other so anything goes.
Bullshit. My attitude toward Wishy is completely her doing. We used to be about as close to friends as any two anonymous people online who will never meet each other can be, but I became a drunk and she became a miserable person who revels in the fact that people think she's a bitch. I've long given up trying to reason with her, and I practically was begging her nearly a year ago to stop the behavior and/or seek some help.
Other than stuff I don't even remember saying when I was drunk, I take no responsibility in our current relationship. I've asked what I did to her to make her act this way toward me and she just attacked me again. I'm done with her.
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Reaverfan - yeah, that was real. I'll give you that one. "Putin's payroll? Come on - that's a joke. So Reaverfan, that's 1 person who wasn't just fighting back.
Yeah... I can take a joke. I actually like J0, even though we're obviously on complete different sides about things now. Maybe I'm just sensitive about it because T continually lumps me into it with Kiki and Sigs when he's calling people Communists.
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How about these? By people here?
"Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?"
Reaverfan.
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"Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?"
Seems to be a theme around here now.
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"Now all Republicans are pedophiles."
I can't remember anyone here ever saying any of that and I doubt you do either - more of your "unthinking" made up BS?
New Alabama Motto Contest - First two posts.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62113
JO: The GoPs controlling that deep red state will see this az a big financial opportunity. Population = prosperity. To help this, they will creat an ad campane that playz up the reazon so many men are moving there.
Wishy: This country is so messed up thanks to the Rethugs.
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That's the thing - when you get programmed to look for these memes you'll find them even when they aren't there. So when I asked about "got any role models?" you are quick to run out a Virtue Signaling meme "He just hates all males" or some such made up BS - it's pretty much the dumbest knee-jerk brain dead reactionary response you could have. You're just connecting the closest insult dot you can to something someone you don't like said without checking for facts.
You posted a thread and an original post that was doing nothing but virtue signaling, and slamming all men because of what some powerful men had done. Several days later, you were repeating what most of us have been saying all along that there really aren't any role models, and that they're basically fairy tales for children.
I don't know what you want me to say, but that is what it was.
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Feel free to keep ignoring them then.
Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Feel free to keep ignoring them then.
Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine.
Goodbye
T
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Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T
Hey, how can I get on that list?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T
Hey, how can I get on that list?
Denounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.
Admit to this and more and I'll put you on the list. It should be easy sig. After all, you have claimed over and over again to have no loyalties towards Putin or Russia.
Here I'll show you how easy it is for someone with no loyalties towards Putin to denounce him as scum. Yes, Putin is scum, see.
T
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Quote:Renounce Satan and all of his works! Burn a witch at the stake! Admit that God is your savior!
Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T
Hey, how can I get on that list? -SIGNYDenounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.
heh heh heh
Quote:There's MORE?? An open-ended "MORE" at that?
Admit to this and more
Wow, you don't know how to bargain, THUGR. That's not a very attractive offer!
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Quote:There's MORE?? An open-ended "MORE" at that?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Renounce Satan and all of his works! Burn a witch at the stake! Admit that God is your savior!
Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T
Hey, how can I get on that list? -SIGNYDenounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.
heh heh hehQuote:
Admit to this and more
Wow, you don't know how to bargain, THUGR. That's not a very attractive offer!
I wasn't bargaining with you fool. I created a post designed to again show you're a Russian troll. That because of that, your opinions about Trump, our democratic institutions including our press, are biased and distorted in a way that is inaccurate, unfair, and misleading. You know sig, lies.
I thank you for your cooperation, dummy.
T
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Quote:And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!
I wasn't bargaining with you fool. I created a post designed to again show you're a Russian troll.
How sad. But kinda funny!
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Quote:There is no argument: PolitiFact on Tuesday named President Trump’s stance on Russia’s influence on the 2016 election as its “Lie of the Year,” and a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-rus
sian-election-interference-made-s/
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It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election. We at PolitiFact have seen no compelling evidence that it did so.
Trump could acknowledge the interference happened while still standing by the legitimacy of his election and his presidency — but he declines to do so. Sometimes he’ll state firmly there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia, an implicit admission that Russia did act in some capacity. Then he reverts back to denying the interference even happened.
It’s not so much that Trump trades in falsehoods — it’s more that he tries to create a different version of reality simply by asserting it.
That denial is of a different order from most presidential posturing, said Nicholas Burns, who served as ambassador to NATO under President George W. Bush.
"I've worked for both parties," Burns said during public testimony to the Republican-controlled Congress this summer. "It's inconceivable to me that any of President Trump's predecessors would deny the gravity of such an open attack on our democratic system.
"I don't believe any previous American president would argue that your own hearings in the Senate are a waste of time or, in the words of President Trump, a witch hunt. They're not; you're doing your duty, that the people elected you to do."
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Originally posted by second:Quote:There is no argument: PolitiFact on Tuesday named President Trump’s stance on Russia’s influence on the 2016 election as its “Lie of the Year,” and a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-rus
sian-election-interference-made-s/Quote:
No evidence no evidence is all we hear from some here. Yet SECOND, it continues to accumulate. The dam is breaking as they say nothing to see here.
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Quote:And a billion flies eat shit.
... a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.
Seriously, SECOND, at one time most people thought that the earth was flat and that evil spirits made people sick. Not TOO long ago, people were afraid that Saddam Hussein was going to nuke them in their beds.
Just look at THUGR. He's a big proponent of the "Trump-Russia-collusion-hacking" conspiracy theory. And what a great argument he makes against that POV!
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Feel free to keep ignoring them then.
Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.
Deal - Hope you have a wonderful Holiday Season.
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And a Merry Christmas to you too.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Politifact sees the points you are making:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seriously, SECOND, at one time most people thought that the earth was flat and that evil spirits made people sick. Not TOO long ago, people were afraid that Saddam Hussein was going to nuke them in their beds.
Quote:But Politifact continues:
It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election. We at PolitiFact have seen no compelling evidence that it did so.
Quote:Don't ever stop selling Trump's version of reality, Signym. If you sell to enough voters, he will get reelected in 2020 and that is very important to the GOP, me, and the other 1 Percenters.
Trump could acknowledge the interference happened while still standing by the legitimacy of his election and his presidency — but he declines to do so. Sometimes he’ll state firmly there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia, an implicit admission that Russia did act in some capacity. Then he reverts back to denying the interference even happened.
It’s not so much that Trump trades in falsehoods — it’s more that he tries to create a different version of reality simply by asserting it.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, the more serious allegations ... that Russia "hacked" the DNC server or that Trump "colluded" with Russia because of blackmail ... are ridiculous.
The other allegations ... that RT promoted the "Russian POV" (that's what they're supposed to do) or that FB hosted (maybe) $50,000 worth of (maybe) Russian-based ads are irrelevant or ineffectual. To agree that Russia "interfered" with the elections is like saying that my spitting into Hurricane Harvey made the flooding worse. TECHNICALLY it raised the water levels, but the effect would be immeasurably tiny.
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McMaster rips Russian 'campaigns of subversion'
WASHINGTON — President Trump’s national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, accused Russia on Tuesday of waging “campaigns of subversion” against the United States and its allies. McMaster also announced that Trump would unveil his first formal National Security Strategy on Dec. 18.
McMaster’s comments about Moscow amounted to unusually sharp criticism from an aide to Trump, who since taking office has repeatedly said he wants better relations with President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mcmaster-rips-russian-campaigns-subversion-
192843053.html
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"we'd probably save a forrest of trees"
spelling issues .. I'll leave you to figure out which one
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:I see your point. It might have made no difference to the election.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, the more serious allegations ... that Russia "hacked" the DNC server or that Trump "colluded" with Russia because of blackmail ... are ridiculous.
The other allegations ... that RT promoted the "Russian POV" (that's what they're supposed to do) or that FB hosted (maybe) $50,000 worth of (maybe) Russian-based ads are irrelevant or ineffectual. To agree that Russia "interfered" with the elections is like saying that my spitting into Hurricane Harvey made the flooding worse. TECHNICALLY it raised the water levels, but the effect would be immeasurably tiny.
But there are measurable aftershocks, although very faint. One example: Rex Tillerson acknowledged in a closed-door meeting with U.S. diplomats on Tuesday that Russia “interfered in democratic processes here,” something President Trump still describes as “fake news” intended to delegitimize his presidency. Rex might get fired is the aftershock. When he is fired will be another aftershock of little consequence.
www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-rex-tillerson-in-meeting-with-us-diplo
mats-says-russia-interfered-in-election
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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NY Times Frets About Russian Propaganda, Ignores Massive Troll Farms Run by America and Its Allies
Adam Johnson
Fri, Dec 22, 2017
An op-ed by the president of the right-wing human rights group Freedom House, published in the New York Times Monday (12/11/17)—later boosted by New York Times chief White House correspondent Peter Baker—warned of the menace of “commentators, trolls, bots, false news sites and propaganda,” and their negative effects on democracy. Missing from its analysis was any account of how the government that funds its organization (86 percent of Freedom House’s budget comes from the US government, primarily the State Department and USAID) uses social media to stir unrest and undermine governments worldwide.
What the reader was left with was a very selective, curated impression that online social media manipulation is something done exclusively by brown and black people and those dastardly Slavs. The column condemns “surreptitious techniques pioneered in Moscow and Beijing to use the internet to drown out dissent and undermine free elections,” going on to cite online skullduggery in the Philippines, Kenya, Turkey, Mexico and Iran.
Missing from the piece by Freedom House’s Michael Abramowitz is any mention of numerous reports detailing online manipulation by US and allied governments and Western PR firms.
No mention of the Defense Department’s $100 million program Operation Earnest Voice software that “creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda.” No mention of the US Air Force’s 2010 solicitation of “persona management” software designed to create hundreds of sock puppets, “replete with background, history, supporting details and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent.” No mention of USAID (the same government agency, incidentally, that funds Freedom House) secretly creating an entire social media platform to “stir unrest” in Cuba. No mention of the US State Department’s newly created $160 million Global Engagement Center, targeting English-language audiences with unattributed Facebook videos combating, in part, “Russia propaganda.”
Nor was there mention of the UK’s “team of Facebook warriors,” “skilled in psychological operations and use of social media to engage in unconventional warfare in the information age,” or reference to the half-dozen reports of Israeli troll farms promoting pro-Israel propaganda online.
The op-ed had a particular focus on “governing parties” using covert online tools to “inflate their popular support and essentially endorse themselves,” warning that this “devastating new threat to democracy” is used to “undermine elections, political debate and virtually every other aspect of governing.” Yet there was no acknowledgment of the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign spent $1 million in the 2016 primary to promote its candidate using unattributed social media personas. Nor was there mention of a torrent of pro-Trump bots that infected the 2016 campaign on social media.
Instead, the piece primarily consists of little insight or larger discussion as to the scope of the problem. “The United States and other democracies” are positioned as the victims of online manipulation, never its author. Amid platitudes about “the future of democracy” and “malevolent actors,” the West’s place as noble defenders of Real Information online is simply taken for granted, with, by implication, their ideological satellites—like Freedom House—as neutral arbiters of what is and isn’t propaganda, never practitioners of propaganda themselves.
The US Department of Defense admitted in 2011 that it runs fake social media accounts in Farsi; the vast majority of Farsi speakers live in Iran. What were these accounts doing? Did they influence any elections there? Does Freedom House ask these questions, much less attempt to answer them? Of course not; Iran can only be guilty of “[manipulating] discussions…on social media,” never the victim of it.
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Facebook actually has a test to see if you've liked or shared any ' Russian troll farm ' fabricated pages.
https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-will-let-you-see-what-russian-linke
d-content-you-followed/
** You haven't liked or followed any pages or accounts from the IRA (Internet Research Agency) **
OMG ! I voted for Trump and yet, did NOT get any of my marching orders from Russian troll farm info ! How is this POSSIBLE ?? What could it mean ?
What a complete scam.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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OMG ! I voted for Trump and yet, did NOT get any of my marching orders from Russian troll farm info ! How is this POSSIBLE ?? What could it mean ?
Does it mean you are a devoted Republican?
Odd that is what you get out of what I just posted.
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That's the thing about Russia trying to influence our election: They didn't have to be incredibly effective to be bad. That was a bow shot. They found a great new digital toy and we fell asleep. Believe me, I'd be every bit as pissed if it helped Hillary. I almost feel lilt they tipped their hand a bit early.
And of course we try and influence other people's elections, duh. If anyone tries and bring that up as a defense of Russia's manipulations then A) olde news skippy, and B) you're defending Russia.
How did we fall asleep ? Specifically, by what means did they " INFLUENCE " our election ? Walk me through the A,B,C's of how this had any measurable impact on the election. If you can.
Obama used his campaign resources to personally try to influence the Israeli elections. It failed. And that was overt, direct cash payments and use of WH manpower , not some ethereal mind control web endeavor.
Defense of Russia doing WHAT, exactly ? No one knows what they did, or how it influenced ANYTHING !!!
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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What's your solution to this, G?
Censorship? Some sort of overseer?
Who decides what is real and what is not real news?
If they did something about it today with Republicans running the show, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't like the result.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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G - I feel we're talking past each other. The premise that the Russians ' tampered' with the election is as open ended in meaning as asking what's the meaning of life.
Depends on who you ask. And that's my problem w/ this witch hunt focusing on Trump. Every one of the primary players in charge of the investigation is a loyal Obama or Hillary supporter. That's not exaggeration or hyperbole. The lead investigator stated it plainly enough in his text to his MISTRESS, the other FBI agent he was having an affair with at the time. ( dunno if they're still knocking boots ) Seems there was a time when such activity alone would be enough to get you tossed out of the FBI, or demoted to lower status, but that's an aside.
Claims of reports by Vanity Fair is hardly convincing. Meanwhile, we had hard evidence of Hillary's " ducks on the ground " campaign to stir up violence and cause trouble at Trump rallies, complete w/ names and video of actual players who participated, so claiming some Russians may have ( dubious ) organized pro Trump rallies really falls short.
Take this sentence -
" Though most Russian efforts unveiled thus far seem to have been aimed at weaponizing the far right, the existence of BlackMattersUS indicates Russian agents were equally motivated to infiltrate the far left in order to amplify partisan divides that would simultaneously energize Trump’s base and disillusion Hillary’s "
Note the language being used... " weaponizing " the far right. Weaponizing is what Obama did to the IRS with Lois Lerner and harassing the TEA party groups. And how does the writer KNOW that such efforts to infiltrate the far Left would only energize the Right, but disillusion the Left ? They have to admit that what ever the Russians did, it was to mess with ALL of us , and yet the focus is ONLY on Trump ?
This is a fairy tale, generated out of sheer hate and anger that Trump won, and Hillary lost.
Hillary's UraniumONE deal and the ties she had as SecState and The Clinton Foundation are the REAL story here. All this noise about Trump / Russia is nothing but a massive smoke screen.
* Obama thought he could influence the Israeli election because he thought he could oust Netanyahu. And it DID almost work.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Thanks for your response. I don't want to waste any more of your time so I'll focus on this one thing:Quote:
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This is a fairy tale, generated out of sheer hate and anger that Trump won, and Hillary lost.
I just can't believe that was motivation for any of this. No one cared that much for HIllary to keep working this hard on her behalf after that big of a stink bomb went off around her. That was a historic loss. She went into hiding. Who's paying them? What's their angle? They have other jobs and real lives to live that include doing anything that doesn't have her bad karma attached.
Sorry, I think the big scary Hillary revenge machine is as big a fiction as the "Deep State" - just convenient Bogey men that no one can disprove.
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Tell that to the folks in the FBI. Aside from loving Hillary, they were openly aggressive to the IDEA of Trump winning. Their own texts reveal their true thoughts. I don't have to invent anything, because it literally is in their own words.
Carrying on the Obama era policies is also why those in the Deep State were so motivated to push this bogus investigation. No one can disprove ? It's right out in the open, for all to see ! Just open your eyes !
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This isn't about Hillary, except she was a tried and true deep-stater that tptb wanted to put in place.
The CIA has a series of strategies for soft-coups escalating to military action if needed (Confessions of an Economic Hit Man), and what's being done to Trump is literally a textbook example.
As far as Trump's plan to normalize relations with Russia, whatever his motivation was (common-sense survival ie it pays to not get into a nuclear pissing-match with Russia --to-- personal business interests) it's over. And the anti-Trump propaganda has dropped from a pyroclastic-volcanic level to a mere blurping mud-pot level accordingly.
Politically, Russian relations were an anomaly in the Trump campaign, as nobody in his population 'base' or his political party was for it. Given the war the Deep State launched on Trump because of it, he dropped that right quick, and is now focusing exclusively on his domestic agenda, which aligns much more closely with his areas of political support.
And just because one side is wrong, it doesn't make the other side right. Or the third side, either. I'll leave it unstated who is Hillary, Trump, and the Deep State in the mathematical equation T not equals G, H not equals T, D not equals G, does not mean H equals G.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Russian trolls suck
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Thanks for the bump.
If I cared at all, which I don't, I would have bumped it myself. Now, I don't even have to think about why I don't care enough to bother.
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