Draining The Swamp
POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
UPDATED: Friday, June 13, 2025 02:56
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LOL... more insults by T. Big surprise. He just can't help himself. It's in his blood.
Why so angry?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thgrri, this thread is about "Draining the Swamp" - a campaign promise made by the incredibly asinine Trump, a total idiot when it comes to applying governmental principles. Basically, he's playing at president. What, if anything does he know about "draining" the so-called "swamp" that he states the federal government is?
Nothing.
But forget that. Don't pay attention to what he says, it's all lies. Pay close attention to what he does and what he's done. Right now at this moment, how many state department posts he has actually filled? There are literally hundreds of posts that have gone unfilled. Most of those seats are career posts of people who have served the country under both Democratic and Republican presidents. Their job has been to conduct the foreign affairs of the country. Diplomatic affairs, not so much political, although politics is somehow involved. The claim again is that there is corruption within the State Dept. - The so-called Deep State - a fictitious 'James Bond' misnomer. But, let's for a moment say it's true. Wouldn't it behoove the "president" and his crack staff of the BreitBart brain trust, to go about replacing those people that were removed, with their own people?
Think about it. Wouldn't that give them better control of the situation? Only if you wanted to 'control' the situation. Otherwise, by not filling those slots, you open up the department, and for that matter, the country to weakness and chaos. For instance, to assist the Secretary of State, in conducting the foreign affairs of the country. Have you heard anything about Tillerson making any headway in the diplomacy department with N. Korea? The president is playing twitter games and N. Korea is testing a rocket that could reach Washington, D.C. It's making the world and us, a little nervous. I swear it's being done on purpose! Why else would you gut the State Dept? Why else would you threaten the leader of N. Korea? Why would you not Put-in your people to fill those important seats? They filled in the CFPB seat, although someone was picked to run the agency. Why there and not in the State Dept.?
I've heard a rumor that Mulvaney is going to dismantle the agency. In the last couple of years, the agency has managed to recuperate $12 billion and return it to consumers who were ripped off. There is no logic to dismantling this office, except for one thing: the banks and Wall Street corporations. He is a Tea Party rep who is looking to reduce the size of government. Man, he must be getting paid a shitload of money from those institutions. Bye, bye CFPB!
This is NOT about "draining" anything. This is NOT about removing corruption or malfeasance. This is purely about dismantling, nay, DESTROYING, effective government that keeps our country running like a well-oiled machine. This is about WEAKENING our country. Now THAT'S treason! IMHO.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Trump may be all manner of stupid. He may even be a corrupt businessman, but the one thing he isn't is a traitor to the USA, like Hillary is.- SIGNY
And you have evidence of that right? Evidence of Hillary commiting an act of treason. Let's see it.- THUGR
Anyone advocating that America give over its sovereign right of creating and drafting its own laws through the democratic process ... laws regarding the environment, health, wages, finance, immigration, the economy etc ... to foreign powers is a traitor.
I can't think of a clearer description of traitorous behavior than that.
Hillary is a traitor.
There you have it folks. Once again we get to witness sig the hypocrite. Thread after thread we see her post there is no evidence to show Trump or his associates conspired with the Russians. She posts these denials even though aid after aid of Trumps, cabinet member after cabinet member, family member after faNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:The Koolaid is strong with this one.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Here you are proving my point. Tax "Havens" is merely LibtardSpeak for a situation where a LOWER Tax Rate is where any reasonable and rational person would willingly pay their fair share of Taxes, instead of the option of paying obtrusively excessive high confiscatory Tax Rates outside of the "Tax Haven" environment.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You'd have to revamp the tax structure because it's far too easy for corporations and transnational elites to declare their profits in tax havens, or hide their wealth in "instant" subsidiaries and foundations
So, Lower Tax Rate results in Higher Tax Revenue for the Taxing Authority, and Higher Tax Rate results in Lower Tax Revenue. Or, more precisely, LOSS of Tax Revenue.
Pretty logical.Quote:Is this another endorsement of Consumption Tax? Reason may be dawning.
If it were me, I'd simply drop the tax rate but also eliminate specialized deductions, exemptions, expenses, depreciations, subsidies, etc.Quote:
OH BTW- JSF- that concept that lower rates increvase tax revenues has been disproved over and over and over again. That is a misapplication of a concept called the aptly-named "Laffer Curve". Every tax-cutting Republican President - including Reagan- sang that song, and every one of them was proved wrong, as demonstrated by the history of actual government revenues versus tax rates.
Before you forward an idea like this, it would be useful to look up actual numbers to see if it's been validated by reality.
Please provide a valid example of this: identify one time when LOWERING the Federal Tax RATE resulted in LESS Federal Tax Revenues.
I guess "Reaganomics Denier" is a thing now, another version of Libtard Surreality.
Is this the sound of crickets?
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Trump is consistent in trying to bring manufacturing back from China:
Quote:More later
"US Rejects China's Bid For "Market Economy" Status
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump is consistent in trying to bring manufacturing back from China:Quote:More later
"US Rejects China's Bid For "Market Economy" Status
You're posting Trumps lies. He is getting his clocked cleaned by the Chinese.
T
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Quote:Better than diving headfirst into the TTP and TTIP.
You're posting Trumps lies. He is getting his clocked cleaned by the Chinese.
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Quote:This is from the Financial Times, which you need a subscription to access, so I'm not sure how well you'll be able to access the website.
US seeks to deny China market economy status in WTO
https://www.ft.com/content/f7941646-d571-11e7-8c9a-d9c0a5c8d5c9
The Trump administration has opposed China’s bid for recognition as a “market economy” in the World Trade Organization, citing decades of legal precedent and what it sees as signs the country is moving in the opposite direction under Xi Jinping.
The US opposition to China’s efforts to be recognised as a market economy in the WTO came in a legal submission due to be released on Thursday in a case brought by Beijing against the EU.
Market economy status would make it more difficult for the US to defend its anti-dumping rulings against Chinese companies at the WTO.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Better than diving headfirst into the TTP and TTIP.
You're posting Trumps lies. He is getting his clocked cleaned by the Chinese.
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, now generally known as TTIP, is a deal to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers to trade between the US and member states of the EU. It began with the P4 trade agreement between just four nations - Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore - that came into effect in 2006. That deal removed tariffs on most goods traded between the countries, promised to cut more and also to co-operate on wider issues such as employment practices, intellectual property and competition policies.
The TPP represents 40% of the worlds economy and we don't have a seat at the table due to your kind of populist message. Yeah sig, real smart. Twelve countries that border the Pacific Ocean signed up to the TPP in February 2016 representing roughly 40% of the world's economic output.
The pact aimed to deepen economic ties between these nations, slashing tariffs and fostering trade to boost growth. Members had also hoped to foster a closer relationship on economic policies and regulation.
The agreement was designed so that it could eventually create a new single market, something like that of the EU.
Barack Obama treated trade deals as a priority during his tenure, and this particular deal would have bolstered America's position in the Asia-Pacific region, where China is growing in influence. Now China is free to run the table.
The 12 countries involved have a collective population of about 800 million - almost double that of the European Union's single market. The 12-nation would-be bloc is already responsible for 40% of world trade.
The deal was seen as a remarkable achievement given the very different approaches and standards within the member countries, including environmental protection, workers' rights and regulatory coherence - not to mention the special protections that some countries have for certain industries. All issues you claim to be for as you bitch your way around these threads with your populist protectionism message.
T
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Quote:So THUGR, since I KNOW you can't write this coherently, you really should provide a link to where this came from ....
You're posting Trumps lies. He is getting his clocked cleaned by the Chinese. - THUGR
Better than diving headfirst into the TTP and TTIP.- SIGNY
Quote:I think this was a bad cut-paste job. The TTIP is the Atlantic version, but the nations referenced ... Brunei, Chile, NZ, and Singapore - are all in the Pacific. So you lopped off the wrong part of the article and used the wrong intro. Be that as it may ...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, now generally known as TTIP, is a deal to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers to trade between the US and member states of the EU. It began with the P4 trade agreement between just four nations - Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore
Quote:They say that like this is a GOOD thing. Did you know that America was protectionist (with import tariffs) through most of its history, up until the end of WWII, in order to promote its own industrialization? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs_in_United_States_history
that came into effect in 2006. That deal removed tariffs on most goods traded between the countries promised to cut more
Quote:I have no idea what most of this means. I know that the "intellectual property" provisions mean that nations would honor each others copyrights, patents, and brand names, not sell "knock-off" products or ripped films or generic pharmaceuticals, nor reproduce GMO seeds for sale etc. But what do they mean by "employment practices" and "competition policies"? And does that mean that we would have to adopt the "employment practices" of the trade agreement, irrespective of what we might LIKE to do internally?
... and also to co-operate on wider issues such as employment practices, intellectual property and competition policies.
Quote:So what? If you have a bunch of people negotiating how often to get butt-fucked and how hard, is that an agreement you want to bind yourself to? You have to show that it's a real benefit to average Americans and to the American economy before I lose any sleep over it. Having a "seat at the table" is a meaningless phrase, so far.
The TPP represents 40% of the worlds economy and we don't have a seat at the table due to your kind of populist message.
Quote:And China not included.
Yeah sig, real smart. Twelve countries that border the Pacific Ocean signed up to the TPP in February 2016 representing roughly 40% of the world's economic output.
Quote:And look how well that worked out for Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal!
The agreement was designed so that it could eventually create a new single market, something like that of the EU.
Quote:Again, China was not in the TPP.
Barack Obama treated trade deals as a priority during his tenure, and this particular deal would have bolstered America's position in the Asia-Pacific region, where China is growing in influence. Now China is free to run the table.
Please, link where you got this info because it is so much blah-blah-blah/ hype. I'd like to know which provisions? Which industries? And what about that "expected profits" provision?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I think this was a bad cut-paste job. The TTIP is the Atlantic version, but the nations referenced ... Brunei, Chile, NZ, and Singapore - are all in the Pacific. So you lopped off the wrong part of the article and used the wrong intro. Be that as it may ...
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, now generally known as TTIP, is a deal to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers to trade between the US and member states of the EU. It began with the P4 trade agreement between just four nations - Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore
Ok, rather than get into a protracted debate, I will address this issue and show when it comes to reading comprehension, you certainly are lacking. What I said was that the TTIP began with what was called The P4. The Pacific four. And I quote myself
"The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, now generally known as TTIP, is a deal to cut tariffs and regulatory barriers to trade between the US and member states of the EU. It began with the P4 trade agreement between just four nations - Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore - that came into effect in 2006. That deal removed tariffs on most goods traded between the countries, promised to cut more and also to co-operate on wider issues such as employment practices, intellectual property and competition policies."
Now, this was the first free trade agreement linking Asia, the Pacific and the Americas. The agreement is between Brunei Darussalam, Chile, Singapore, and New Zealand as I said. The P4 is New Zealand's first and only trade agreement with a Latin American country.
I included this in my initial post to show how one trade agreement lead to more cooperation between nations. And to make a larger point. Which is that Trump and idiots like you who don't understand how important these agreements are, are jut that, idiots and bad for America.
T
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