Is this really "the lowest point in our nation’s history that they can remember"?
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
As to your videos, Kiki. you don't want me to start posting videos of Feminists at college. I will, if you want to keep posting vids and we can see who's dick is bigger.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yes, SIX, please, by all means post those videos. Because I doubt that you'll find any daily-life on-the-street harassment of men by women; but feel free to educate me.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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You completely misrepresented the paper. WAS THAT ON PURPOSE, jack?
... we excluded students who were not enrolled full- or three-quarters time or who were over the age of 25 (because of concerns about not having sufficient statistical power to generate stable prevalence rates for the small number of students falling into these subgroups and the likelihood that these students, by having a longer duration of university attendance, would have an increased chance for exposure to sexual assault that is unrelated to their status as university students). Students under the age of 18 were also excluded to avoid having to obtain parental consent for the survey.
We created four sampling subframes, with cases randomly ordered within each subframe ... We then slightly reduced the size of the subframes (using random sampling procedures) to obtain equal numbers of freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors. Samples were then drawn randomly from each of the four subframes. The sizes of these samples were dictated by response rate projections and sample size targets.
They didn't survey people and then throw results out, jack.
They created categories and then randomly sampled in those categories, ultimately getting ~7000 responses.
And IF YOU READ THE PAPER, you'll see that there is a large body of studies that have been carried out over the years that come up with similar numbers. Do you reject ALL the studies? Is that where you're going in how you deal with facts?
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Right. As I said, it was a bullshit study.
I don't buy polling data when they randomly sample a few thousand out of 300,000 million people, but at least they're using ALL of the data.
I still wouldn't have bought this study if they used all 14,000 men in the survey, but who was there to oversee the "randomization" process? I want to know what the numbers would have been if all 14,000 men were counted.
And I notice you didn't even touch on the fact of the demographics. How do you damn an entire nation on the supposed behavior of 4,000 men at 2 universities?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
As to your videos, Kiki. you don't want me to start posting videos of Feminists at college. I will, if you want to keep posting vids and we can see who's dick is bigger.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yes, SIX, please, by all means post those videos. Because I doubt that you'll find any daily-life on-the-street harassment of men by women; but feel free to educate me.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Sure thing. I'll get some good ones for you later this week. Last night was my first night of work in 2 1/2 years, and I'm pretty booked up till Thursday. It is funny how valuable your free time becomes when you don't have all of the time in the world. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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kiki
And IF YOU READ THE PAPER, you'll see that there is a large body of studies that have been carried out over the years that come up with similar numbers. Do you reject ALL the studies? Is that where you're going in how you deal with facts?
Quote:When you can't come up with a reasonable thought based on actual facts, is that your go-to response?
jack
Right. As I said, it was a bullshit study.
Quote:They're not trying to represent 300 million people. Not 150 million, or even 30 million. They're representing somewhat less than 9 million male full or 3/4 time college students 18-25.
jack
I don't buy polling data when they randomly sample a few thousand out of 300,000 million people, but at least they're using ALL of the data.
Quote:It's computer-driven. Apparently you have no idea about statistics - what the fundamental ideas are, the mathematics used, how it's carried out.
jack
but who was there to oversee the "randomization" process?
This PARTICULAR study is notable partly because it experimented with web-based surveying, rather than proctored/ administered surveying. Apparently people are more forthcoming when dealing with a computer than when in the presence of, or directly interacting with, another person, or persons.
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I think what SIX is referring to is that somewhere between the larger, randomly-selected population and the smaller one that went thru the entire questionnaire there was some sort of winnowing process.
IIRC, the study said something like ... "Based on the response factor" ... or something like that, which made me think that they focused on students who were mostly likely to respond. I'll look up that wording.
But if this was an internet poll and the participants were self-selected for their willingness to participate, that itself might be a non-random selection.
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"Based on the response factor"
Surveys never get 100% responses. There's some roughly known percentage that will reply. So they WAY oversample in order to get a minimum number of responses, in order to have better statistics.
It's the same problem with political phone sampling, and other surveys. Because of that you won't get exact answers - not good enough to predict a Trump win, for example - but you'll be within a few percentage points.
That's why it's good to compare one metric to another, and one study to another, to see if you're getting comparable results. Going through the study, the numbers do stack up compared to other studies and sources of information.
Or, as you pointed out earlier, you can't conjure up 13% out of nothing.
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Well you've only shown one. And they only sampled 14,000 out of 9 million men, and then they only "randomly" used 4,000 of those samples and threw away the rest without telling us what the numbers would have been had they been counted.
(BTW... no shit they weren't doing data on 300 million people. There YOU go manipulating words when you know very well that I know how many people live in the country vs how many males are in college.)
I see now for a second time you completely disregard the fact that they ONLY SAMPLED 2 COLLEGES and damned all 9 million college age men off of their manipulated data.
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one from the south and one from the upper midwest
but colleges get their students from all over the US
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jack, you seem bound and determined to believe - despite all the evidence available - that women are treated at least equally as a matter of course and aren't subject to an undue level of victimization compared to men.
One of the newest people at work is a young woman who confided she was recently forcibly raped by someone she thought was a friend, and has since come to me with complaints about a pervasive number of men who regal her with stories of their sexual conquests or declare their desires to 'have' her. These are men that I know, and they have long histories of credible complaints against them, some of which I witnessed with my own eyes.
I simply don't accept your fantasies about how great women have it because they don't square with the reality I see every day.
That's not to say that men aren't also victimized in ways women aren't.
But if you're going to have any credibility with me, you're going to have to come to grips with reality.
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