Is this really "the lowest point in our nation’s history that they can remember"?
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Sunday, September 6, 2026 20:05
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Quote:Let me know when you've tried it out and how amazed you feel.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
LOL... alright. Doesn't hurt anything to try it out.
I feel like you're trying to recruit me for a cult. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'll welcome you to the cult. The Sick of Windows cult.
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Quote:I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
are you quoting wiki to avoid honest discussion and just dance around inconveniently truthful definitions?
I don't see mention of urinating in public, or the complainant (victim) touching via body part OR Object intimate parts of the defendant. Both defined as Sexual Assault, although different States have different statutes.
And still dancing, kissing, hugging, massage, fully clothed is Sexual Assault, even consensual if the "victim" is the wrong age.
In what cases are Sexual Assaults charged or prosecuted by the United States Department of Justice, instead of the Local or State Prosecutor? Otherwise the DoJ definition has no meaning or application - only the Local laws actually enforced.
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Quote:If men were crying rape after sex your post might be valid, but they're not, so this post is pointless.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I reject that.
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Quote:sophistry, jack.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No. Nobody asked 20.4 million men and had 2.1 million men admit to researchers that they were guilty of sexual assault.
There's such a thing as statistical sampling. With that many respondents you'll get within a percent or two of the actual number.
btwe I can think of a lot of legitimate reasons to reject respondents, such as incomplete information, inability to follow-up, over-representation of some categories over others, and so on.
The FACT remains that these were ADMITTED acts, not accused acts, hack. And the numbers are reasonably sound.
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"Any of their actions at any time could be misconstrued and turned into something that was never intended."
But not rape or assault, jack. Those involve touching. Focus, jack. Focus.
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"I've asked Kiki to show me the questions asked." I went back and skimmed over old posts. I didn't find this.
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Quote:You're right SIX, I'm going to accuse you of victim-blaming. Is it a "special protection" to NOT be groped or raped?
I get what you're saying, but I'm going to risk being accused of "victim blaming" when I say that a lot of the issues that (some) women complain about today are things that they could (and many do) easily avoid if they do for themselves and I don't see how it does women any good to talk about being strong and independent and then out of the other side of their mouth demand special protections based off their gender.
I think the biggest problem with the Feminist movement today is the desire to have equal rights that men do, while also maintaining protections and special treatments that had before they had the equal rights too.
If you don't want to have sex when you're drunk, don't get drunk and have sex. I don't know how much simpler that can be.
Is it "special protection" to be listened to and taken as seriously as a man?
It's interesting that you can find a lot of way for WOMEN to change their behavior, and yet you seem to take the behavior of (in your view) a VERY small minority of men as a given. Even tho you said
Quote:NOWHERE have you even hinted that possibly this small minority of men should change THEIR behavior; to be something other than boors and assholes. And since you seem to tolerate their behavior and assume others should accept/ accommodate it too, then I would have to say that YOU support a system of discrimination - and even violence - against women.
Men obviously aren't entirely blameless. You know I don't deal in absolutes.
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I don't think that our widespread prejudices are "just" because of assholes and individuals who defend them. I think a lot of prejudices are in many ways encouraged by our media. I'm just saying that I would have thought you'd have more insight than what you demonstrated.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's interesting that you can find a lot of way for WOMEN to change their behavior, and yet you seem to take the behavior of (in your view) a VERY small minority of men as a given.
Because I reject the number based off of a sampling of 14,000+ men, when only 4,000 of them were used and there was no explanation to why the other 10,000 weren't.
Also note that this was a study at only two colleges. Maybe they were for one reason or another targeted for this study? Why base a number for the entire nation using partial data from only two universities?
If we're just going to go by numbers, then how come 4 out of 5 women at college make it out just fine? I'm guessing it's because they aren't willingly getting trashed every weekend around a bunch of like minded individuals who are also getting trashed and want to get fucked just as much as they do.
There should be no special protection for ANYBODY getting fucked up.
If any of these same girls got behind a car and killed somebody they wouldn't get out of jail free because they were drunk. Why do they suddenly become victims when they have sex when they're fucked up?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Dood, I'm accepting your contention, for the sake of discussion, that the percent of men groping or raping college women is smaller than the 13+% in the paper.
Because I reject the number based off of a sampling of 14,000+ men, when only 4,000 of them were used and there was no explanation to why the other 10,000 weren't.- SOX
Let's say 5%. Does that sound better? 2%? 1%?
Somewhere in your many many posts you COULD have said ... "Well, it goes without saying that the very small number of men who behave in a predatory fashion towards women should be disciplined so that their behavior doesn't reflect on the vast majority."
What would happen in a culture where "no" really DID mean "no", and men would behave in a respectful fashion towards women?
Well, among other things, women would have to be honest about their desire for sex. Instead, we have a culture where men and women get to play this mutual dishonest game where men get to decide when to have sex and at the same time get to shoulder the blame for the decision-making. Not fair to men OR women, is it?
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