Democrats eyeing 2018 say it's time to start talking Russia
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"It will be on the evening news all the time," said Jentleson,
Jentleson and others argue that ongoing developments in the investigation force the party's hand. The news, not the candidates themselves, often determines what campaigns are about.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-eyeing-2018-say-its-
time-to-start-talking-russia/ar-AAuflwn?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp
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It's time to START??
HAHAHAHA!
They've been talking about nothing but Russia!!! since Nov 2016!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's time to START??
HAHAHAHA!
They've been talking about nothing butRussia!!! ever since Nov 2016!
There's a difference in responding to and investigating what is going on concerning the Russians, and the message the democrats will run on. This is about them being forced to consider Running on what Russia has done instead of running with a different message, like jobs.
It doesn't surprise me you don't understand the thread.
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It doesn't surprise me that you posted something that counterfactual.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It doesn't surprise me that you posted something that counterfactual.
Relating to or expressing what has not happened or is not the case is what counterfactual means. What I posted is that the Democrats are debating it.
So what's your point? That I'm smart, thanks.
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That you regurgitated without thought DNC propagnada that they are going to "start" talking about Russia (that alone should be enough to get anybody to spew coffee over their keyboard) and that this somehow "forces" them not to talk about economic issues.
But, yanno, if you want to go over a cliff and persuade as many Americans as possible to go over the cliff with you ... well, I guess you get what you all deserve. Too bad I'm living with you.
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Not concerned with what you think comrade. Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That you regurgitated without thought DNC propagnada that they are going to "start" talking about Russia (that alone should be enough to get anybody to spew coffee over their keyboard) and that this somehow "forces" them not to talk about economic issues.
But, yanno, if you want to go over a cliff and persuade as many Americans as possible to go over the cliff with you ... well, I guess you get what you all deserve. Too bad I'm living with you.
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What DID Russia do, exactly? Spend a total of 0.004% of total ad revenue on ads not necessarily related to the campaign? Spend on ads that reached fewer than a couple hundred million people each when the average American sees as many as 5,000 ads per day?
omg
the horror
granny, get 'yer guns
they're everywhere
really
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What DID Russia do, exactly? Spend a total of 0.004% of total ad revenue on ads not necessarily related to the campaign? Spend on ads that reached fewer than a couple hundred million people each when the average American sees as many as 5,000 ads per day?
omg
the horror
granny, get 'yer guns
they're everywhere
really
Every once in a while I like to remind readers how you kiki and SIG always, I'll say that again, ALWAYS, defend Russia. It's a constant with you two comrades and all the evidence we need to prove you troll America on their behalf.
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Weren't we investigating Russia since the Golden Shower incident?
Jeebers...
Throw a little bit of North Korea missile scares and Rapey Weinsten scandals in the mix and we've already forgotten that Russia is a thing.
lol... no... I didn't miss anything since I've been gone. If I didn't know better, I would have thought that I just stepped out of a time machine and it was February again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Weren't we investigating Russia since the Golden Shower incident?
Jeebers...
Throw a little bit of North Korea missile scares and Rapey Weinsten scandals in the mix and we've already forgotten that Russia is a thing.
lol... no... I didn't miss anything since I've been gone. If I didn't know better, I would have thought that I just stepped out of a time machine and it was February again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Apparently you don't keep up on the news. And apparently you don't actually read whats been posted.
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I read this entire thread.
Nothing new here except for what....? The Democrats are going to "start" doing what they've been doing all year long?
Good plan. Been working great so far.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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International Consortium of Investigative Journalists:
https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/paradise-papers-ex
poses-donald-trump-russia-links-and-piggy-banks-of-the-wealthiest-1-percent/
A trove of 13.4 million records exposes ties between Russia and
U.S. President Donald Trump’s billionaire commerce secretary, the
secret dealings of the chief fundraiser for Canadian Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau and the offshore interests of the queen of England
and more than 120 politicians around the world.
from the Headline, I can't tell
if this news is relevant or just a tease.
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Huh....
I wonder if Clinton is one of the 120 politicians there.
While it's true she didn't directly sell a great deal of Uranium to Russia, she did sell it to Canadian interests who later sold it to Russia.
We do indeed live in interesting times, don't we?
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Quote:Just like The Panama Papers, this is an engineered set of selective leaks for political purposes.
The new files come from two offshore services firms as well as from 19 corporate registries maintained by governments in jurisdictions that serve as waystations in the global shadow economy. The leaks were obtained by German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and a network of more than 380 journalists in 67 countries.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
International Consortium of Investigative Journalists:
https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/paradise-papers-ex
poses-donald-trump-russia-links-and-piggy-banks-of-the-wealthiest-1-percent/
A trove of 13.4 million records exposes ties between Russia and
U.S. President Donald Trump’s billionaire commerce secretary, the
secret dealings of the chief fundraiser for Canadian Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau and the offshore interests of the queen of England
and more than 120 politicians around the world.
from the Headline, I can't tell
if this news is relevant or just a tease.
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Yep, Trumps associates are up to their necks in Russian connections. As to your post, it's investigative reporting like this which informs us of what is going on. Who is doing what and helps us to connect the dots. This is the very type of investigative reporting Trump and his supporters, some here in these threads, try desperately to label fake or irrelevant news. Unless of course, it contains something they can use. Like about Hillary. Mostly, the relevant news of the day does not.
At least 9 members of Trump campaign or administration now shown to have Russia ties
While Trump has sought to dismiss these Russia ties as insignificant, or characterized the people involved in them as peripheral figures, it has now become clear that Special Counsel Robert Mueller views at least some of them as important pieces of his sprawling investigation of Russian meddling in last year's presidential campaign.
http://www.nola.com/national_politics/2017/11/at_least_9_members_of_tr
ump_ca.html
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Huh....
I wonder if Clinton is one of the 120 politicians there.
While it's true she didn't directly sell a great deal of Uranium to Russia, she did sell it to Canadian interests who later sold it to Russia.
I'm at that point again. The point where I just ignore you. Here's why. Where is your link showing what you claim is true? Or showing it was reported by a reputable news outlet. Also, I notice that a Clinton story involving Russia is an outrage you must repeat, yet everything involving Trump is nothing to see here. What's up with that shit? Are you also a comrade or comrade sympathizer?
We have noted repeatedly that extracted uranium could not be exported by Russia without a license — which Rosatom does not have — but even so, this 20 percent figure is especially misleading. (*See update below.) At the Fact Checker, we have described it a bit more precisely as “mining licenses for about 20 percent of U.S. uranium extraction capacity.” But we were out of date; it turns out “20 percent” is an especially stale number.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-rep
eated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/?utm_term=.1352db29d7ad
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Quote:Hey THUGR, is this what you were looking for?
Where is your link showing what you claim is true? Or showing it was reported by a reputable news outlet.
Since I didn't want to pre-digest the article, I just posted the whole thing ...
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Uranium One deal led to some exports to Europe, memos show
After the Obama administration approved the sale of a Canadian mining company with significant U.S. uranium reserves to a firm owned by Russia’s government, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission assured Congress and the public the new owners couldn’t export any raw nuclear fuel from America’s shores.
“No uranium produced at either facility may be exported,” the NRC declared in a November 2010 press release that announced that ARMZ, a subsidiary of the Russian state-owned Rosatom, had been approved to take ownership of the Uranium One mining firm and its American assets.
A year later, the nuclear regulator repeated the assurance in a letter to Sen. John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican in whose state Uranium One operated mines.
“Neither Uranium One Inc. nor AMRZ holds a specific NRC export license. In order to export uranium from the United States, Uranium One Inc. or ARMZ would need to apply for and obtain a specific NRC license authorizing the exports of uranium for use in reactor fuel,” then-NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko wrote to Barrasso.
The NRC never issued an export license to the Russian firm, a fact so engrained in the narrative of the Uranium One controversy that it showed up in The Washington Post’s official fact-checker site this week. “We have noted repeatedly that extracted uranium could not be exported by Russia without a license, which Rosatom does not have,” the Post reported on Monday, linking to the 2011 Barrasso letter.
Yet NRC memos reviewed by The Hill show that it did approve the shipment of yellowcake uranium — the raw material used to make nuclear fuel and weapons — from the Russian-owned mines in the United States to Canada in 2012 through a third party. Later, the Obama administration approved some of that uranium going all the way to Europe, government documents show.
NRC officials said they could not disclose the total amount of uranium that Uranium One exported because the information is proprietary. They did, however, say that the shipments only lasted from 2012 to 2014 and that they are unaware of any exports since then.
NRC officials told The Hill that Uranium One exports flowed from Wyoming to Canada and on to Europe between 2012 and 2014, and the approval involved a process with multiple agencies.
Rather than give Rosatom a direct export license — which would have raised red flags inside a Congress already suspicious of the deal — the NRC in 2012 authorized an amendment to an existing export license for a Paducah, Ky.-based trucking firm called RSB Logistics Services Inc. to simply add Uranium One to the list of clients whose uranium it could move to Canada.
The license, reviewed by The Hill, is dated March 16, 2012, and it increased the amount of uranium ore concentrate that RSB Logistics could ship to the Cameco Corp. plant in Ontario from 7,500,000 kilograms to 12,000,000 kilograms and added Uranium One to the “other parties to Export.”
The move escaped notice in Congress.
Officials at RSB, Cameco and Rosatom did not return repeated phone calls or emails seeking comment.
Uranium One's American arm, however, emailed a statement to The Hill on Wednesday evening confirming it did export uranium to Canada through the trucking firm and that 25 percent of that nuclear fuel eventually made its way outside North America to Europe and Asia, stressing all the exports complied with federal law.
“None of the US U308 product produced to date has been sold to non-US customers except for approximately 25% which was sold via book transfer at the conversion facilities to customers from Western Europe and Asia," executive Donna Wickers said. “Any physical export of the product from conversion facilities to non-US destinatioNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Did you read it SIG. You said you didn't want to predigest it so I'm guessing no. Nothing went to Russia, only our allies in Europe. And the Canadian Government needed the U.S. Governments approval before anything could be shipped. That was a stipulation put in place by the Obama administration. If anything else occurred it would probably be the Canadian Governments fault.
You're so anxious to post anything negative, that here you imply what you post confirms your assertions, merely by the act of you posting it. That's just one of the ways you attempt to deceive here in these threads. Problem is, those who challenge you here are to smart for that.
I guess that leaves Jack out. Sorry Jack but stupid is as stupid does. Come home Jack. You were an American before you became a stooge for the Russian trolls; I think.
“That license stated that the Canadian Government needed to obtain prior approval before any of the U.S. material could be transferred to any country other than the U.S.,” the letter added. “Subsequently the U.S. Department of Energy granted approval for some re-transfers of U.S. uranium from the Canadian conversion facilities to European enrichment plants.”
“The transfer of the U.S.-supplied uranium from Canada to Europe noted above also was subject to applicable Section 123 agreements,” the NRC noted. Section 123 is the part of the Atomic Energy Act that allows for the U.S. to share civilian nuclear technology and goods with allies.
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Being anti-Clinton and anti-current-Democratic-Party is not being anti-American. I can understand why you would think that since that's what the MSM tells you is true everyday.
That being said, I stated that Clinton wasn't directly responsible. She may not have been responsible at all. She may even (GASP!) have been set up....
What makes you so sure she wasn't a part of it though? Why do you trust Clinton any more than you trust Trump? Trump didn't have a track record before, but I've admitted that I'm not happy with the way things have been going. Clinton had a very long and very bad track record.
Anyway you look at it, you lose.
Coo-Coo-Kachoo
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Being anti-Clinton and anti-current-Democratic-Party is not being anti-American. I can understand why you would think that since that's what the MSM tells you is true everyday.
I'll answer this, then I will stop responding to you as I have in the past. Brace yourself stupid. I hate Clinton and the democrats of today as much or more than you. I've said as much many times. You're just to stupid for it to sink in. You want revenge. That's what you're about. Your reasons for doing so are always based on bullshit which leaves others who try and get the facts right flummoxed and frustrated.
I'm not defending Clinton as much as I am addressing the lies about her posted here. And I am also trying to redirect the focus back to my countries enemy Putin. All this Clinton shit is just miss direction away from Putin and Russia. Not what is problematic for our country today; Trump and Putin.
I give you a hard time because you like kiki and SIG, dismiss everything Putin does and suggest his interference here and around the world is much ado about nothing. You deflect from him by living in the past of Clinton.
You are without doubt the dumbest person I've ever engaged with in these threads. That's not a crime and I only post about your intelligence because your opinions are based on shit and are divisive.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
You are without doubt the dumbest person I've ever engaged with in these threads. That's not a crime and I only post about it because your opinions are so divisive.
Could he be a Troll! ?
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
You are without doubt the dumbest person I've ever engaged with in these threads. That's not a crime and I only post about it because your opinions are so divisive.
Could he be a Troll!?
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He is and I don't say that lightly. He kiki and SIG are always on the other side of the debate. Occasionally they bring out their sockpuppets. Facts mean nothing to them unless it suits the agenda they are pushing. Jack went from being a pervert and drunk, to a possible drunk and definite troll.
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Nope. Just starting my 11 month sober.
Disagreeing with you doesn't make somebody stupid or a troll.
Your anti-Trump BS started on day one after the election. Your fear mongering about Russia started shortly afterward.
The title of this thread and any article that says they're going to "start" talking Russia is hilarious. It's just about all you've been talking about since February.
P.S. Calling somebody names doesn't make you win an argument.
That's a little trick most of us pick up when we reach adulthood. 
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:OONJ that is being a troll.
Being anti-Clinton and anti-current-Democratic-Party is not being anti-American. I can understand why you would think that since that's what the MSM tells you is true everyday. - SIX
I'll answer this, then I will stop responding to you as I have in the past. Brace yourself stupid
Quote:You have? How did you manage to squeeze out ANYthing negative about Hillary, since you spend MOST of your time here endlessly calling random people "Russian trolls" and the little remaining time you have left bitching about Trump? So I'm going to call BULLSHIT on this statement and say LINKS PLEASE
I hate Clinton and the democrats of today as much or more than you. I've said as much many times.- THUGR
Quote:OONJ, NOTE: more trolling and name-calling from THUGR
You're just to stupid for it to sink in. You want revenge. That's what you're about. Your reasons for doing so are always based on bullshit which leaves others who try and get the facts right flummoxed and frustrated. - THUGR
Quote:By calling people "Russian trolls"? By mindlessly regurgitating DNC propaganda about "starting" to talk about Russia??
I'm not defending Clinton as much as I am addressing the lies about her posted here. - THUGR
Here's a thought: If you really want to defend Hillary from the "lies" told about her, there's a whole thread devoted to her alleged misdeeds. So why don't you go over there, and knock yourself out, kid?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61997&p=1#1
040732
Quote:Yep! Don't look at corruption in the USA! That might be bad ... for Clinton! Look instead at Putin! Only Putin!
And I am also trying to redirect the focus back to my countries enemy Putin. All this Clinton shit is just miss direction away from Putin and Russia. Not what is problematic for our country today; Trump and Putin.- THUGR
And Trump!
Once Putin is defeated all will be right with the USA!
Quote:Not at all. Some of the things Russia has done in the world are quite significant, such as protecting Syria. However, in terms of interfering in other counties, Russia can't hold a candle to the USA which knocks over nations like pins in a bowling alley.
I give you a hard time because you like kiki and SIG, dismiss everything Putin does and suggest his interference here and around the world is much ado about nothing.= THUGR
Quote:Clinton is but one member of the swamp, and a stellar exemplar of corruption! But there's plenty more like her in DC.
You deflect from him by living in the past of Clinton.- THUGR
Quote:Yanno, seriously THUGR, the person who name-calls and who insists on dividing people along FAKE lines is .... you!
You are without doubt the dumbest person I've ever engaged with in these threads. That's not a crime and I only post about your intelligence because your opinions are based on shit and are divisive. - THUGR
By the way, gave you EVER gone back to my 2002 -2005 posts? Do you have the faintest clue what I think? Probably not.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
you spend MOST of your time here endlessly calling random people "Russian trolls" and the little remaining time you have left bitching about Trump?
By calling people "Russian trolls"? By mindlessly regurgitating DNC propaganda about "starting" to talk about Russia??
Here's a thought: If you really want to defend Hillary from the "lies" told about her, there's a whole thread devoted to her alleged misdeeds. So why don't you go over there, and knock yourself out, kid?
Yep! Don't look at corruption in the USA! That might be bad ... for
Clinton! Look instead at Putin! Only Putin!
And Trump!
Once Putin is defeated all will be right with the USA!
Some of the things Russia has done in the world are quite significant, such as protecting Syria. However, in terms of interfering in other counties, Russia can't hold a candle to the USA which knocks over nations like pins in a bowling alley.
Clinton is but one member of the swamp, and a stell
ar exemplar of corruption! But there's plenty more like her in DC.
By the way, gave you EVER gone back to my 2002 -2005 posts? Do you have the faintest clue what I think? Probably not.
Here is your post without what you quoted from me about Jack and trolls. Quite the damnation of Clinton with a defense and even praise for Putin and Russia. Same old SIG. Bash the DNC in all these threads, bash the media, bash the judicial system investigating Trump. Bash anyone here posting about it and change the subject. Deny that anything connecting Trump to Russia has been reported accurately and claim no evidence has been provide showing they conspired together. Even though new evidence of that is reported daily.
You're a Russia troll SIG. Everything about you, about your posts matches up with Russias' propaganda of the day. All the posts from you during the election about Clinton that were untrue and came from foreign bots. And still to this day you use her to stir up negative emotions to deflect from Trump.
You suggest we look at your past posts as proof you don't troll for Russia. It's funny how you want us to go all the way back to 2005 and before. How about we stick with the past two or three years?
All anyone need do is look at your past posts to see your staunch defense of all things Russia. The Ukraine thread, the Syria thread. The thread about Russia cheating at the Olympics. You've picked up on what we all know to be Putins playbook and have been posting here as a troll since.
Jack is one of your puppets. Real or imagined makes no difference. He follows the same patter of damning Americans while calling them war mongers for criticizing Putin. I'll call the both of you and anyone else who trolls America all the derogatory names I want.
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Quote:So, where are those example of you being critical of Hillary, huh? Got any LINKS to all of those statements?
you spend MOST of your time here endlessly calling random people "Russian trolls" and the little remaining time you have left bitching about Trump?
By calling people "Russian trolls"? By mindlessly regurgitating DNC propaganda about "starting" to talk about Russia??
Here's a thought: If you really want to defend Hillary from the "lies" told about her, there's a whole thread devoted to her alleged misdeeds. So why don't you go over there, and knock yourself out, kid?
Yep! Don't look at corruption in the USA! That might be bad ... for
Clinton! Look instead at Putin! Only Putin!
Once Putin is defeated all will be right with the USA!
Some of the things Russia has done in the world are quite significant, such as protecting Syria. However, in terms of interfering in other counties, Russia can't hold a candle to the USA which knocks over nations like pins in a bowling alley.
Clinton is but one member of the swamp, and a stellar exemplar of corruption! But there's plenty more like her in DC.
By the way, gave you EVER gone back to my 2002 -2005 posts? Do you have the faintest clue what I think? Probably not. - SIGNY
Here is your post without what you quoted from me about Jack and trolls.
No???
I thought not.
Quote:So THUGR, what can you say that is POSITIVE about our role in the Mideast? Have we done anything constructive? Is the region more stable, are people living better, freer lives since our "interventions" there?
Quite the damnation of Clinton with a defense and even praise for Putin and Russia. -
Please, by all means .... praise our policies right here. Our role in the Mideast and North Africa (MENA) has been positive because ...
(fill in the blanks here).
Quote:The DNC WAS in power for the past eight years. What can you say about that which is positive?
Same old SIG. Bash the DNC
Quote:It's mostly a mish-mash of advertising, which is one form of corporate propaganda, and then political propaganda at the behest of corporations. But by all means ... give me examples of where the media has been against any of our wars of aggression, or against transnational corporations, corporate monopolies, or the security state.
bash the media
Quote:I haven't bashed the system. I haven't even said much bad about Mueller, altho I'm beginning to suspect the guy is crooked. Comey, OTOH, is no Boy Scout; he and Lynch were up to their eyeballs in politics.
bash the judicial system investigating Trump.
Quote:You're right: no evidence has been provided that they conspired together.
Bash anyone here posting about it and change the subject. Deny that anything connecting Trump to Russia has been reported accurately and claim no evidence has been provide showing they conspired together.
Quote:SUCH AS?
Even though new evidence of that is reported daily.
Quote:You're full of bullshit.
You're a Russia troll SIG.
Quote:SUCH AS?
Everything about you, about your posts matches up with Russias' propaganda of the day. All the posts from you during the election about Clinton that were untrue
Quote:I'm not defending Trump. You say that all YOU'RE doing is countering the "lies" told about Clinton and the DNC. Well, all I'm doing here is countering the lies told BY the DNC, and believe me there are a bunch of whoppers!
And still to this day you use her to stir up negative emotions to deflect from Trump.
Quote:Because LOGIC dictates that anyone who's been posting here for as long as I have IS NOT A RUSSIAN TROLL.
You suggest we look at your past posts as proof you don't troll for Russia. It funny how you want us to go all the way back to 2005 and before. How about we stick with the past two or three years?
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Hey SIG.
I have no intention of responding to your post as you want. I made my point and will continue to do so when it pleases me, not you comrade. I am comfortable with all seeing what you post and what I will or will not concern myself with.
Besides, your questions are just a further distraction from the point of the thread. If you wish to talk about the middle east start yet another pro Putin anti West thread on the subject.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack is one of your puppets. Real or imagined makes no difference. He follows the same patter of damning Americans while calling them war mongers for criticizing Putin. I'll call the both of you and anyone else who trolls America all the derogatory names I want.
LOL... Knock yourself out kid.
BTW... while everybody is going around calling 2017 the worst year in the history of mankind, it hasn't been all that bad for me.
I'm more than 10 months sober.
I've lost 60lbs.
I've fully repaired relationships with my mom and step-dad and spent the better part of two months helping them with their retirement move.
I'm actually a pretty big part of my Niece's life after being largely absent the first 3 years because I was a worthless drunk.
I've gotten back into a long lost and loved hobby of mine, as well as re-established some old connections with others in the process.
And just this morning I got a job. (Didn't want to jinx it this time by telling anybody before I got it).
WTF have you done to improve your own personal situation in 2017 T?
Maybe you all just need to get off the internet and get off your ass and start doing for yourself instead of crying about all the bullshit that is completely out of your control.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:In other words, you absolutely cannot back up any of your insinuations about me, KIKI, and SIX, nor are you able to back up your "claims" about being anti-Hillary and "stopping the lies".
Hey SIG.I have no intention of responding to your post
In other words .... you're either a liar, or a troll, or (most likely) both. BUT! We already knew that!
Quote:In other words you will continue to lie, troll, and propagandize as before.
I made my point and will continue to do so when it pleases me,
Yep!
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SIX, That's good news. I'm happy for you that life is looking up. I don't know how you accomplished it ... and knowing myself how hard it is to change ingrained habits and break addictions (like, yanno, food) ... all I can say is: Good on you for getting this far. It's certainly something that I look up to you for.
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In the meantime, it's that darn Russia thing again
Sessions to testify to House next week in Russia probe
Nov. 7 (UPI) -- Attorney General Jeff Sessions will testify before the House Judiciary Committee next week as part of its ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
All 10 committee Democrats signed a letter asking Sessions about questions on Russian ties to Donald Trump's presidential campaign. Sessions has recused himself from Russian matters as head of the Justice Department because he was a top policy adviser during the Trump campaign.
In previous testimony in Congress, Sessions said he was "not aware of any of those" contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign surrogates.
Later, it was revealed that he spoke to Russia's then-U.S. ambassador Sergey Kislyak. At a judiciary hearing last month, Sessions testified that he had "no improper involvement" with Russian officials and that he was "not aware of anyone" who had communications with the Russians.
Since then it was disclosed that campaign staffer George Papadopoulos, in a meeting that included Sessions, offered in March 2016 to use his contacts and set up a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Last week, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts with Russians.
Sessions reportedly rejected the proposal.
Another campaign adviser, Carter Page, told the House Intelligence Committee last week that he informed Sessions in July 2016 about his own planned trip to Moscow.
"These facts appear to contradict your sworn testimony on several occasions," the Democrats on the House judiciary panel, led by Rep. Jon Conyers Jr., of Michigan, wrote in a letter dated Tuesday.
The letter also noted committee members have sent more than 40 letters to the Trump administration "asking for information necessary to carry out our oversight of the Department of Justice. We have not yet received a single meaningful response to any of the letters," including ones sent directly to the department.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/11/07/Sessions-to-testify-to-Hous
e-next-week-in-Russia-probe/2261510075929/
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SIX, That's good news. I'm happy for you that life is looking up. I don't know how you accomplished it ... and knowing myself how hard it is to change ingrained habits and break addictions (like, yanno, food) ... all I can say is: Good on you for getting this far. It's certainly something that I look up to you for.
Thanks Sigs. :)
I wouldn't describe it as looking up, but I'm turning things around at my own pace. At least I seem to be on the right trajectory at the moment.
My mom and step-dad said I needed to hit bottom. I've thought about that pretty deeply before though and I told them that's just it.... I didn't hit bottom, and that concerns me a little. Things could have gotten far worse before I turned it around. I've done some permanent damage that can never be repaired (both physical and otherwise), sure, but I never lost everything. I never even came close. I kind of built this castle around me that allows me to do partake in that self-destructive behavior for a pretty damn long time without any immediate consequences that would have ended it all. What I mean is that I wouldn't be losing my home or getting my lights turned off in the mean time. I really still believe that if I didn't quit when I did that I might not still be alive today. I'd have died with a zero balance sheet and a high credit score. Nobody really understands how bad it got for me and the ones I've told about it kind of gasp in disbelief because they had no idea it was happening. If I slip again, it will probably be my last time.
All I can do is keep trying to push forward and hope that I don't slip again.
I wouldn't look up to me at all... At least not yet. Maybe we'll revisit that in 5 or 10 years when hopefully I'll still be on the wagon and improving my life.
BTW... I never had a real food problem myself, and even at my age my metabolism is still pretty good. I didn't completely change my diet on top of all of these other things, so I can't take any credit for that for the weight loss. That just tends to happen when you're not consuming 18,000-20,000 calories of beer in a week over 10 months.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Blue wave sweeps over New Jersey and Virginia, but watch for the undertow
It's hard to overstate what Tuesday's sweeping victories mean for Democratic enthusiasm and excitement. The party that needed a win got a bunch of them with a night that replenishes the bench and rejuvenates the faithful.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/note-blue-wave-sweeps-jersey-virginia-w
atch-undertow/story?id=51008817
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lol...
"rejuvenates the faithful"...
That about sums it up. It's a cult.
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I would suggest to all Americans on these threads, that anyone who calls an entire party, i.e. democratic or republican a cult, is not American. Not one who's in a stable frame of mind anyway.
Frame of mind: a particular mood that influences one's attitude or behavior. Anyone who would do that is pretty sick.
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I would suggest to any American, particularly those in the MSM who's words travel far and wide, to not use cult-like rhetoric when speaking about their party of choice or to exhibit cult-like behavior in its name, lest they be labeled a cult.
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See how that can be done without throwing out insults, T?
I know you can do it. Show everybody that you're not as childish, all the time, as you behave, all the time.
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I would suggest to any American, particularly those in the MSM who's words travel far and wide, to not use cult-like rhetoric when speaking about their party of choice or to exhibit cult-like behavior in its name, lest they be labeled a cult.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Let me point out here that Jack constantly suggests some here get their news from MSM. And, that those who do are a part of a cult. He has a hateful view of them and expresses it often. He believes they create the stories that so upset him. Over and over again he criticizes MSM.
Folks, there is no such news outlet as MSM. MSN, is a collection of news stories that includes Fox and other conservative news outlets. If Jack ever looked up from his keyboard and read a story printed there, he would realize the site is bipartisan. It is a search engine controlled by Microsoft, used to attract viewers to their products, i.e. office and outlook.
Big point? Jack doesn't think before he attacks. Jack doesn't read news or research anything. Look at his posts. They are collectively negative responses to others posts, on topics of which he knows nothing. And that would make him, yep you guessed it.
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Obviously MSM means MainStream Media.
I don't know why you are pretending not to know that. Everybody else knows what MSM means.
The MSM encompasses MSNBC, CNN and Fox News, among others.
I don't know why I'm even explaining that to you. There's no possible way that somebody who uses the internet regularly in 2017 doesn't know what that means.
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Look at that last post, T.
Once again, that is an example of how adults discuss things.
I took your misunderstanding of something, and the slew of insults that followed it, and in turn explained it to you and did not attack you back.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Obviously MSM means MainStream Media.
I don't know why you are pretending not to know that. Everybody else knows what MSM means.
The MSM encompasses MSNBC, CNN and Fox News, among others.
I don't know why I'm even explaining that to you. There's no possible way that somebody who uses the internet regularly in 2017 doesn't know what that means.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If what you say is true then you have no honest source of news. If you think people who access main stream news are cultish, then you are not living in reality because reality is fake to you. It also means you refuse to research anything you have an opinion on Jack. How could you possible know what's what.
And that my dear Jack makes you in a very obvious and unacceptable manner, uninformed and ignorant about what you speak. Either way Jack the prognoses on you is bad.
I've wasted enough time with you Jack. It's like trying to make someone upstand something that's way over their head.
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Back to the OP -
Its bizar that therez even a question about it. It woud be like trying to run for offis in 1942 without mentioning the war.
Gotta be committee think. Individualz cant be that stoopid.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Obviously MSM means MainStream Media.
I don't know why you are pretending not to know that. Everybody else knows what MSM means.
The MSM encompasses MSNBC, CNN and Fox News, among others.
I don't know why I'm even explaining that to you. There's no possible way that somebody who uses the internet regularly in 2017 doesn't know what that means.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If what you say is true then you have no honest source of news. If you think people who access main stream news are cultish, then you are not living in reality because reality is fake to you. It also means you refuse to research anything you have an opinion on Jack. How could you possible know what's what.
And that my dear Jack makes you in a very obvious and unacceptable manner, uninformed and ignorant about what you speak. Either way Jack the prognoses on you is bad.
I've wasted enough time with you Jack. It's like trying to make someone upstand something that's way over their head.
I don't think that all news is bullshit. I do, however, feel that an article like the one you quoted is bullshit.
When a "reporter" says something as biased as the statement I took issue with and said was cultish, there is no purpose in reading that article any further. The author cannot be trusted to give any objectivity in their "reporting" and the piece becomes nothing more than a biased editorial.
This is equally true for anybody on Fox News and the like as it is for MSNBC or CNN and the like.
You're of the mind that everything Fox News says is bullshit.
I'm of the mind that probably half of what Fox News says is bullshit and half of what CNN and MSNBC have to say is bullshit.
Get it?
EDIT: You still haven't fixed your color issue.
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Quote:Coming from you, that's a hoot! Dood, in the early days of chemistry some of the best research was done by Germans and Russians. Were scientists supposed to avoid reading something because it was written by a German or Russian?
If what you say is true then you have no honest source of news. If you think people who access main stream news are cultish, then you are not living in reality because reality is fake to you. It also means you refuse to research anything you have an opinion on. How could you possible know what's what. - THUGR
You pay FAR too much attention to your sources because you "trust" and "believe" them, and you avoid sources of legitimate information because you don't "like" them. Now if THAT isn't a way to guarantee a distorted view of the world, I don't know what is!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Coming from you, that's a hoot! Dood, in the early days of chemistry some of the best research was done by Germans and Russians. Were scientists supposed to avoid reading something because it was written by a German or Russian?
If what you say is true then you have no honest source of news. If you think people who access main stream news are cultish, then you are not living in reality because reality is fake to you. It also means you refuse to research anything you have an opinion on. How could you possible know what's what. - THUGR
You pay FAR too much attention to your sources because you "trust" and "believe" them, and you avoid sources of legitimate information because you don't "like" them. Now if THAT isn't a way to guarantee a distorted view of the world, I don't know what
Subjective bullshit SIG.
It isn't the writer ' mainstream media ' who is writing falsehoods, instead it is the reader who is bigoted against the writer. Bigoted against anything establishment. Jack is a beaten man. Anyone who is so against the mainstream is corrupted by defeat.
In this case Jack is bigoted against mainstream news and thinking because his life is a series of defeats. And lets not forget, Jack doesn't read news of any kind. That would be to much work. Nope, instead he just argues his point of view which is distorted by thses defeats.
Then there's you. Who's favorite source of news is a blog that twists the truth to suit their needs; sad.
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You don't know anything about me, T.
I've been turning my life around quite a bit this year and I've posted about it to you in several places, and you completely ignore that.
What have you done this year besides bitch and moan about everything, and kick people when they're down?
You're even more disgusting that Wishy is. At least she's got some excuses from living in a lot of pain and not having a great life. She didn't exactly have the greatest of hands dealt to her.
You're just an asshole to everyone who doesn't agree with you, just for the sake of being an asshole.
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You don't know anything about me, T.
I've been turning my life around quite a bit this year and I've posted about it to you in several places, and you completely ignore that.
What have you done this year besides bitch and moan about everything, and kick people when they're down?
You're even more disgusting that Wishy is. At least she's got some excuses from living in a lot of pain and not having a great life. She didn't exactly have the greatest of hands dealt to her.
You're just an asshole to everyone who doesn't agree with you, just for the sake of being an asshole.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What I've written is what you have posted about yourself. It explains why you think what you do. It shows your critical thinking skills to be saturated with the negative goings on in your life. What you post makes perfect sense when your background is visible. I don't do it to be mean. I do it in response to your negative uninformed postings regarding important issues.
First and foremost, my country is under attack by Russian trolls at the behest of Putin. The world is under attack from Russian trolls at the behest of Putin. They intentionally push peoples buttons in an attempt to ensue havoc and descent. Trumps administration before and after the election has lied across the board about any connection or contacts with Russia.
You dismiss it out of hand. For what reason I don't know. To me your deflection away from, and challenge to, anyone who keeps this subject in the forefront means you need to be challenged or ignored. I really need to start doing that.
What I post has to remain to my best ability, truthful. You should encourage that in yourself and others. Once a poster starts to manipulate the truth as SIG does they are not to be believed at all.
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You're a tin foil hat wearing looney toon.
You need to stop watching so much news and get a life.
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You're a tin foil hat wearing looney toon.
You need to stop watching so much news and get a life.
You don't get it so I'll tell you again Jack. I'll also suggest you watch some news. Educate yourself of the facts.
What I've written is what you have posted about yourself. It explains why you think what you do. It shows your critical thinking skills to be saturated with the negative goings on in your life. What you post makes perfect sense when your background is visible. I don't do it to be mean. I do it in response to your negative uninformed postings regarding important issues.
First and foremost, my country is under attack by Russian trolls at the behest of Putin. The world is under attack from Russian trolls at the behest of Putin. They intentionally push peoples buttons in an attempt to ensue havoc and descent. Trumps administration before and after the election has lied across the board about any connection or contacts with Russia.
You dismiss it out of hand. For what reason I don't know. To me your deflection away from, and challenge to, anyone who keeps this subject in the forefront means you need to be challenged or ignored. I really need to start doing that.
What I post has to remain to my best ability, truthful. You should encourage that in yourself and others. Once a poster starts to manipulate the truth as SIG does they are not to be believed at all.
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My life has been a net positive this year since I stopped drinking. I've slowly dug my way out of the hole I've created for myself.
While people like you bitch and whine about the sky falling everyday and how 2017 is the worst year ever, there are people who are still making their own lives better without succumbing to the inane babbleing of their own respective echo chambers.
I made a point which went completely over your head when I didn't post here for a month. That point was that although I was gone and had done a great deal in that time to improve my own situation and help other people that I care about, the world still turned regardless.
While you were here "fighting the good fight" and getting absolutely nothing done against things that were way out of your reach and influence, I was actually getting shit done.
Maybe our country is under attack. I give everything 50/50. Everything.
If the MSM on one side wasn't constantly coming up with a million reasons why Trump is a piece of shit, and the other side of the MSM wasn't constantly coming up with a million reasons why the exact opposite was true, there might be something worth paying attention to.
As it is, there is no reason to do it other than entertainment.
So if our country is under attack as you say it is, what are you doing about it?
Name one tangible thing you've done to fend them off.
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So if our country is under attack as you say it is, what are you doing about it?
Name one tangible thing you've done to fend them off.
I voted against Trump dummy.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
So if our country is under attack as you say it is, what are you doing about it?
Name one tangible thing you've done to fend them off.
I voted against Trump dummy.
Thanks for your service.... however ineffectual and meaningless it was. More than 1 year ago.
I rest my case.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
So if our country is under attack as you say it is, what are you doing about it?
Name one tangible thing you've done to fend them off.
I voted against Trump dummy.
Thanks for your service.... however ineffectual and meaningless it was. More than 1 year ago.
I rest my case.
Lets see if I can paint a picture of Jack
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It must be frustrating to lose arguments all of the time, huh T?
I don't admire your shoes.
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So if our country is under attack as you say it is, what are you doing about it?
Name one tangible thing you've done to fend them off.- SIX
I voted against Trump dummy. - THUGR
Thanks for your service.... however ineffectual and meaningless it was. More than 1 year ago. I rest my case.- SIX
Lets see if I can paint a picture of Jack
It must be frustrating to lose arguments all of the time, huh T? - SIX
Yep, you know you've won when THUGR shits a gif and bails.
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Here it is in a nutshell. This is why I do what I do here. It's also why if you're American you should hate sig, kiki and jack to name three, for trying to assist Trump in his attempts to undermine our democracy, our hard fought republic.
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Yes T, the espousal of hate.
The cornerstone of totalitarianism.
Everybody should line up right behind you and follow your example and carry the banner of benevolent hatred for anybody who disagrees with your outlook in the world..
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Quote:Which THUGR does quite well. Hate, that is.
Yes T, the espousal of hate.-
Quote:You betcha!
The cornerstone of totalitarianism.
You know, I would be a helluva a lot more inclined to vote Dem if the title of this thread said
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Democrats eyeing 2018 say it's time to STOP talking Russia
Our biggest problem is not Russia, and if the Dems ever stop spouting that nonsense they might be worth supporting.
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I'm pretty sure I never said it was time for the democrats to start speaking about Russians comrade sig. I think the media coverage is doing a good job of it. I only posted what some democrats said.
Nope, the message has to be inclusive. They need to speak to what concerns the white male voter of the middle class. They need to reengage with the democrats they've lost in the past few years.
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Most Americans doubt Trump on Russia probe, while Mueller approval tilts positive
56% of Americans think Trump's public statements on the Russia probe have been mostly or completely false. 47% of Americans approve of Mueller's handling of the Russia probe vs. 34% who disapprove
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/21/politics/trump-mueller-russia-poll/index
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Quote:Good grief.
First and foremost, my country is under attack by Russian trolls at the behest of Putin.
Even if that were the case .... SO WHAT??? Is your grip on reality so light that you worry about some comments throwing your mental orbits out of kilter?
Seriously, THUGR, you keep clinging to "mainstream" like it was some sort of mental life-raft.
But what IS "mainstream"?
It's merely the "official" version; the way TPTB want you to see things. Once upon a time, that was the Church. The earth was the center of the solar system: so sayeth the "mainstream". Now its the corporate press, publishing what's best for them.
And you believe them.
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"It will be on the evening news all the time," said Jentleson,
Jentleson and others argue that ongoing developments in the investigation force the party's hand. The news, not the candidates themselves, often determines what campaigns are about.
They won't be able to talk issues, because Trump's tax cut will keep $ in the wallets of working people and allow companies to re-invest and kick start the economy. Things will start looking up, for everyone, so the Dems will be forced to beat a dead horse.
Do they REALLY want to talk Uranium ONE collision ? Or Hezbollah drug deals with Obama ?
No, I don't think they do.
And btw ....
You haven't liked or followed any pages or accounts from the IRA (Internet Research Agency).
No shit , Sherlock. This entire thing is one massive scam and smear campaign to explain away why Hillary lost.
MOVE THE FUCK ON ALREADY !
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
"It will be on the evening news all the time," said Jentleson,
Jentleson and others argue that ongoing developments in the investigation force the party's hand. The news, not the candidates themselves, often determines what campaigns are about.
They won't be able to talk issues, because Trump's tax cut will keep $ in the wallets of working people and allow companies to re-invest and kick start the economy. Things will start looking up, for everyone, so the Dems will be forced to beat a dead horse.
Do they REALLY want to talk Uranium ONE collision ? Or Hezbollah drug deals with Obama ?
No, I don't think they do.
And btw ....
You haven't liked or followed any pages or accounts from the IRA (Internet Research Agency).
No shit , Sherlock. This entire thing is one massive scam and smear campaign to explain away why Hillary lost.
MOVE THE FUCK ON ALREADY !
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Wow, have you taken the right pill. Arguing with yourself is a troubling sign.
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Quote:No, but YOU'RE funny, because ...
Even if that were the case .... SO WHAT??? Is your grip on reality so light that you worry about some comments... throwing your mental orbits out of kilter?- SIGNY
That's funny.- G
Quote:Are you seriously equating "comments" with nuclear bombs???
"It's just a little nuclear bomb. Go ahead, you can pet it. See? Not such a big deal, right?"- G
Quote:OMG!!! CALL THE CDC!!! Somebody MIGHT HAVE SEEN a comment MAYBE posted by someone linked to Russia!
ON FRIDAY, FACEBOOK made available a tool to allow users to see whether they had liked or followed a page linked to Russia’s attempt to influence the 2016 US election.
Facebook had promised to make such a tool available in November, after the company revealed in a congressional hearing that more than 140 million people may have been exposed to Russia-linked propaganda during the 2016 election cycle.
Quote:Wow, all of 3000 ads?
During the hearings earlier this year, Facebook released roughly 3,000 ads that it said it had linked to Russian accounts. But it has never released a list of the accounts and pages that it linked to Russia’s efforts.
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How Many Ads Do You See in One Day?
Digital Marketing experts estimate that most Americans are exposed to around 4,000 to 10,000 advertisements each day.
https://www.redcrowmarketing.com/2015/09/10/many-ads-see-one-day/
Quote:It's a lot of "maybes", which is what I got out of the article. And it's only a problem if those 140 million are too stupid to parse content for themselves.
140 million... is that a lot?
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Former CIA director defends top FBI officials amid Trump attacks
Former CIA Director John Brennan came to the defense of two senior FBI officials on Saturday after President Trump targeted the pair on Twitter.
Brennan tweeted that FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and top FBI lawyer James Baker "epitomize integrity, competence, and respect for rule of law."
"Not surprised @realDonaldTrump fears them, along with the rest of FBI," continued Brennan
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/366342-former-cia-dir
ector-defends-top-fbi-officials-amid-trump
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John Brennan is a notorious liar. He lied to Congress and therefore to the American people many times about his CIA's illegal surveillance programs, about the CIA's illegal torture programs, about the CIA's secret drone program, and about how transparent he was prepared to be.
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CIA director John Brennan lied to you and to the Senate. Fire him
As reports emerged Thursday that an internal investigation by the Central Intelligence Agency’s inspector general found that the CIA “improperly” spied on US Senate staffers when researching the CIA’s dark history of torture, it was hard to conclude anything but the obvious: John Brennan blatantly lied to the American public. Again...
“Let me assure you the CIA was in no way spying on [the committee] or the Senate,” he said.
...Brennan was forced to privately apologize to intelligence committee chairs in a “tense” meeting earlier this week.
[AND]In a little noticed story last week, McClatchy reported that the CIA has also been spying on emails from whistleblower officials and Congress
As Obama’s top counterterrorism advisor for his entire first term in the White House, Brennan built, oversaw, executed and excused America’s robotic assassination [DRONE] program. During a speech in 2011, the keeper of the kill list said there had not been “a single collateral death” from US drone strikes because of their “exceptional proficiency [and] precision”
... Brennan promised to be “as open as possible with these programs”; [BUT] we know almost nothing. What we do know, has been pried from the CIA by lawsuits and court orders.
... Brennan also fed the public wildly inaccurate details about the Osama bin Laden raid in 2011, and despite condemning leaks of classified information from others, he has often leaks classified information himself to suit his own needs. This is not the type of guy who is going to resign because of some report he doesn’t like; this is the type of spy who apologizes even though he’s not sorry, who lies because he doesn’t like to tell the truth.
I clipped the salient points, but you can read more detail here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-joh
n-brennan-lied-senate
Glenn Greenwald details the lies of our intelligence heads here: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/06/greenwald_intellige
nce_chiefs_alleging_russia_hacked_election_have_a_history_of_lying_to_the_public.html
These guys are paid liars: It's their job. If you're as sensitive to the trustworthiness of your "sources" as you claim to be, you shouldn't credit a word that they say without looking more deeply into whatever they're talking about.
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Posting from any source is alright, so long as the source is saying what I want to hear. It doesn't matter if it's an anonymous source, somebody I've never heard of until I read the headline of the article they wrote or were quoted in that I liked or they have a long history of being untrustworthy.
I'm surprised some people can hear anything at all in those echo chambers these days. Some people are really just so enamored with the sound of their own voice...
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G, stop wetting your pants.
I read the article that you linked; there was nothing in there about the ads having been shown millions of times. What it said was, and I quote
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more than 140 million people may have been exposed to Russia-linked propaganda during the 2016 election cycle.
Now, first of all, we're "exposed to" thousands to tens of thousands of ads per day. Almost NONE of them break our "attention barrier": According to the research (that I posted, which you apparently didn't read) we (maybe) notice a hundred ads, and probably pay attention to far fewer.
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Of course, most people won’t actually recall seeing 10,000 messages. This is because, in order to keep our sanity, we’ve developed a screening process to ignore most advertising messages. Less than 100 of them make it past our “attention wall” each day https://www.redcrowmarketing.com/2015/09/10/many-ads-see-one-day/
So you're jumping from "140 million may have been exposed" to 140 million actually noticed, read, and were influenced by these ads. But just because some random ad was flashed up on the sidebar of a website doesn't mean it was noticed or responded to. FB could pop this hysteria right away by airing the ads that they THOUGHT were Russian-based. Then we could judge for ourselves whether we even saw or noticed them or thought they were effective.
But according to TPTB, god forbid that the "common man" (or woman) have to think about new ideas. Clearly, TPTB feel that you (i.e. they) must be "protected" from a different POV. Democracy and the "marketplace of ideas" .... not something they advocate; apparently that is bad news (for them).
That's why I made the CDC analogy: of the many people who "may have been exposed" to a virus, fewer actually were and even fewer were infected. To carry the analogy farther, whether those "exposed" were infected depends in part on the robustness of a person's immune system. If people's mental durability is weak, they'll be more influenced by "fake news" (i.e. "lies") than people who know how to parse truth from fiction.
BTW, no, I don't participate in social media. Just like OONJERAH. It's a soul-destroying, life-sucking experience, programmed to keep you tied to those little dopamine-producing "hits" which keep you addicted. SM is for suckers.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2017/11/facebook_w
as_designed_to_be_addictive_does_that_make_it_evil.html
The LAST thing that TPTB want out of their populace is people who will think for themselves.
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Quote:Then maybe those voting-age suckers should get a little more educated and a little less sheeple-ish.
millions of voting age suckers
FB would do a great service to the population at large if it would post the ads that it THOUGHT (no evidence that we know of) were linked to Russia.
Then the purchasers of the ads could come forward and possibly clear their name, and the viewers of the ads could re-view them in a new context. And people could actually start thinking about the issues instead of reacting to the dog whistle RUSSIA!.
As I posted before, propaganda and lies can be countered with facts and truth ... not with MORE propaganda! Transparency is key.
It would be a decades-long conversation, but it is a conversation long looooong overdue, and that conversation is not in the interests of TBTB. So any real discussion of real issues is shut down as soon as possible.
The person who doesn't understand this "new world" is you, because it's the same old world (those in power control the means of communication) with a new technology.
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Quote:Are you saying that people are uneducable? That they should continue to be subject to advertising and propaganda (which are really the same) for the rest of their lives?
What? Maybe they should grow wings and fly.
You don't believe in education? I thought you were all for it!
Quote:HOW MANY entities do you think "purchased ads" to "influence the election"?
What? "... the purchasers of the ads could come forward and possibly clear their name..." Right, they could come forward and explain why they were trying to influence our election. Wait, we already know.
Hundreds? Thousands? TENS of thousands???
Quote:Once again, you seem not to understand what "evidence" is. FB has accusations, maybe they even have legitimate suspicions, but in terms of "evidence" - none was mentioned in the article that you posted. No IP addresses were ID'd, no trace of translation from Cyrillic. No time stamps. No nothing.
What are you lying about now? FB has evidence
So we only have Facebook's WORD that ads were "linked to" Russia. Now, as I read the vetting process, it was very much like THUGR's: I don't like the content so it must be Russia-linked! I looked it up. I think you should too. MOST of those ads were placed in ... what year? I bet you don't know!
IF THE ADS WERE POSTED, THOSE LEGITIMATE PURCHASERS WHO WERE UNFAIRLY CHARACTERIZED could come forward and identify themselves. THOSE ADS LEFT TWISTING IN THE WIND could then be more reliably identified as suspect.
Quote:Hillary lost, and SHE'S one of the biggest liars on the planet.
No they can't! Just look who won the election - the biggest liar on the planet.
The election of Trump was one giant protest vote. A few ads here and there ... and you think it swung the election. Really????
The people investigating Hillary and Trump have a deep political anti-Trump bias. They're being demoted, fired, kicked out of investigations, or are "retiring" when in reality they should probably be fired or charged.
The alphabet-agency purveyors of the "RUSSIA!" hysteria are professional liars. The DNC was demonstrated to be irremediably corrupt in way both personal and political, and in ways both large and small. The election is over and done with, the "evidence" is evaporating even as we watch, and you're STILL barking about Russia??
Don't you have anything more important to think about?
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It's a knockout folks. G KO'ed sig with little effort. Same old sad story.
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Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch to retire; Romney could run. If Romney runs and wins, it's another sign the middle will hold.
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If that's true and you really give a shit about the middle holding, where were you when he ran against extremist Obama?
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Steve Bannon in new book: Russia probe's focus is money-laundering
Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon said he believes the special counsel investigation on Russia is focusing on money laundering and called a Trump Tower meeting between the Trump campaign and a Russian lawyer "treasonous."
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/01/03/Steve-Bannon-in-new-book-Ru
ssia-probes-focus-is-money-laundering/6461515002655/
Inside the tumultuous relationship of Donald Trump and Steve Bannon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-tumultuous-relation
ship-of-donald-trump-and-steve-bannon/2018/01/03/b152950c-f0c1-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.3aa5e7d85d67
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Jeb Bush backs Romney for Utah Senate run
Some Senate Republicans are eager for Romney to run because they believe he would serve as an independent voice who is not afraid to stand up against his own party's president.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-backs-romney-for-utah
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Twitter says 50,000 Russia-linked accounts tweeted during 2016 US presidential election
The company is emailing 677,775 users who either followed, retweeted or liked a tweet from the more than 50,000 Russia-linked election bots.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/twitter-says-50000-russia-linked-accounts
-tweeted-during-2016-us-presidential-election/
Sig, when you get your email why don't you post it here?
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It's illegal to post emails without permission of all parties.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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It's illegal to post emails without permission of all parties.
I don't think that's true. At least I don't think it's true unless the email comes with a note that says that this email is only intended to be viewed by its intended recipients, as is common for more secure emails in the corporate sector.
Here's something pretty funny that happened recently to somebody who was looking for a free hotel stay and got her email posted on the hotel's facebook page:
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... just repeating what a webmaster told me ...
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Yeah... I'm not a lawyer, but I'd just recommend not going on that assumption unless you actually read a law stating that. Even if you do find one, I'd make sure that it really means anything because for instance if the state of California had a law protecting all emails from being posted without consent of all parties, who's to say that would mean anything if you were communicating with anybody outside of the state of California?
I just operate on the assumption that anything I send to anybody on an email is potentially just as public as posting something to Twitter or Facebook or just here in the RWED.
Not arguing with you. Just something you might want to consider.
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Here's something pretty funny that happened recently to somebody who was looking for a free hotel stay
She just wants to start the next Kardashian ass jiggle empire. Wuts rong with that?
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That you regurgitated without thought DNC propagnada that they are going to "start" talking about Russia (that alone should be enough to get anybody to spew coffee over their keyboard) and that this somehow "forces" them not to talk about economic issues.
But, yanno, if you want to go over a cliff and persuade as many Americans as possible to go over the cliff with you ... well, I guess you get what you all deserve. Too bad I'm living with you.
13 Russians indicted.
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How many Russians were indicted?
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13 and 3 Russian companies
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“act of war” against the U.S.
In the wake of last week’s indictments alleging that 13 Russian nationals and entities created fake social media accounts and sponsored political events to sow political discord in the U.S., something of a consensus has arisen in the political and media class (with some notable exceptions) that these actions not only constitute an “act of war” against the U.S., but one so grave that it is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Indeed, that Russia’s alleged “meddling” is comparable to the two most devastating attacks in U.S. history has, overnight, become a virtual cliché.
The claim that Russian meddling in the election is “an act of war” comparable to these events isn’t brand new. Senators from both parties, such as Republican John McCain and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen, have long described Russian meddling in 2016 as an “act of war.” Hillary Clinton, while promoting her book last October, described Russia’s alleged hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s email inbox as a “cyber 9/11.” And last February, the always-war-hungry Tom Friedman of the New York Times said on Morning Joe that Russian hacking “was a 9/11 scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor scale event.”
But the last few days have ushered in an explosion of this rhetoric from politicians and journalists alike. On Friday night’s Chris Hayes show on MSNBC, two separate guests – Democratic Congressman Jerry Nadler and long-time Clinton aide Philippe Reines – posited Pearl Harbor as the “equivalent” of Russian meddling, provoking a shocked reaction from Hayes:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/a-consensus-emerges-russia-committ
ed-an-act-of-war-on-par-with-pearl-harbor-and-911-should-the-u-s-response-be-similar/
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Facebook's latest plan to thwart Russia: send postcards
Facebook will send postcards to verify the location and identity of people buying election-related advertising in a bid to curb foreign nationals' ability to influence American politics.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/02/19/facebooks-latest-plan
-thwart-russia-send-postcards/
Boy, rappy ran for the hills again didn't he. The evidence showing him to be brainless is overwhelming.
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Anybody remember this thread?
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Here it is in a nutshell. This is why I do what I do here. It's also why if you're American you should hate sig, kiki and jack to name three, for trying to assist Trump in his attempts to undermine our democracy, our hard fought republic.
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Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg shows up to face grand jury
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Britain just got tough on Putin — and put Trump in a very tough spot
British Prime Minister Theresa May on Monday accused the Russian government of at least being complicit in an “unlawful use of force” on British soil in the poisoning of former Russia spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter last week. May gave the Russian government a day to offer a response, without which she said the attack would be regarded as an action “by the Russian state against the United Kingdom” and would lead to consequences.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/12/britain-just
-got-tough-on-putin-and-put-trump-in-a-very-tough-spot/?utm_term=.7f5da3364e69
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The Trump administration has issued long-delayed sanctions against five Russian entities and 19 individuals for 2016 election interference and other cyber-attacks. NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell and Tom Winter report.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/treasury-dept-sanctions-russian-cyber
-actors-for-election-interference-1186663491516
This is what I've been waiting for. Trump has no choice at this point and can't block this anymore. The vote for these sanctions was what, 6 months ago, and passed with a veto proof majority. I hope this is only the beginning.
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Special Counsel Mueller has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia. New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt shares his latest report on the Russia investigation.
https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/nyt-robert-mueller-subpoenas-
trump-organization-demanding-russia-documents-1186815043746
Trump Towers Moscow and so much more. This sure is exciting isn't it???
I can't wait to see the tweets...will he fire McCabe 3 days before he retires so he can't receive his pension? Trump is that fucked up.
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Special Counsel Mueller has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia. New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt shares his latest report on the Russia investigation.
https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/nyt-robert-mueller-subpoenas-
trump-organization-demanding-russia-documents-1186815043746
Trump Towers Moscow and so much more. This sure is exciting isn't it???
I can't wait to see the tweets...will he fire McCabe 3 days before he retires so he can't receive his pension? Trump is that fucked up.
Yep, he did it. Something like 26 hours before he was too retire. The good news is that several democrats have offered him temporary jobs so he can get his pension. Fuck you Trump. Hope we can return the favor.
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I'm sure that pension was well deserved.
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I'm sure that pension was well deserved.
Yep, it is.
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I'm sure that pension was well deserved.
Yep, it is.
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Citations needed.
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It's time to START??
HAHAHAHA!
They've been talking about nothing but Russia!!! since Nov 2016!
And despite all your denials and lies since the last post on this thread, the facts are still winning out.
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CNN brought a group of Trump voters together to discuss their views on family separations and the president's perceived views on race.
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