Mueller, Trump and the case for Obstruction of Justice
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Draft letter
The documents were still flowing on Friday afternoon, with a New York Times report that Mueller was in possession of a draft letter explaining Trump’s rationale for firing Comey. The draft was reportedly written by Trump and an aide, Stephen Miller, but rejected by the White House counsel, on unknown grounds.
Trump has said he fired Comey while experiencing frustration at the FBI investigation of his campaign’s alleged Russia ties and at Comey’s refusal to publicly exculpate Trump. The firing ironically hastened the appointment of a special counsel, under whom the investigation has expanded.
Former US attorneys judged the draft letter and its possession by Mueller as significant. “Logical assumption: If WH Counsel wouldn’t let him send it, [Trump] had improper if not illegal motives for firing FBI Director Comey,” wrote Joyce Vance, a former federal prosecutor in Birmingham, Alabama, and now a University of Alabama law professor.
“Hard to assess significance without knowing the actual contents of the draft firing letter and why WH counsel vetoed it. But can’t be good,” wrote Preet Bharara, the former US attorney for the southern district of New York and now a professor at New York University’s law school.
Ryan Goodman, a former special counsel at the defense department, tweeted that a “big implication” of the draft letter’s existence was that Miller, the aide who helped Trump draft the letter, is “perhaps implicated in conspiracy to obstruct justice”.
Other documents revealed a changing narrative in Trump campaign contacts with Russian agents. The Washington Post reported Monday that during the campaign, Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen wrote an email to an aide to Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, asking for help with a real estate deal.
It was further revealed that early on in the presidential campaign, Trump signed a non-binding letter of intent to build a tower in Moscow, Cohen confirmed in a statement to ABC News. Trump claimed during the campaign that he “knows nothing about Russia” and had “no loans” and “no deals” there.
In a separate incident, Manafort took notes, since obtained by Mueller, about a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower arranged by Trump Jr, who expressed eagerness to receive damaging information about Hillary Clinton, NBC News reported on Friday.
Manafort’s notes reportedly referred to political contributions and to the “RNC”, or Republican National Committee. The president personally dictated a statement released by Trump Jr saying the meeting “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children”, the Washington Post reported in July.
The details of any Trump deal or debt with a Russian connection, if any exist, are not publicly known – but yet another headline this week indicated that Mueller may have gained insight on the subject. According to a Daily Beast report on Thursday, the special counsel has enlisted the help of agents from the criminal investigation unit of the Internal Revenue Service.
“I think he got everybody’s tax returns,” said Mariotti, now a defense attorney at Thompson Coburn in Chicago. “I have no professional, personal knowledge of it, but when you’re looking at someone for something unrelated to taxes, still to get tax return information is very valuable information that tells you a lot of valuable things: who owes them money, who they owe money to, and where they keep their money.”
This is getting more and more interesting!
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
According to a Daily Beast report on Thursday, the special counsel has enlisted the help of agents from the criminal investigation unit of the Internal Revenue Service.
“I think he got everybody’s tax returns,” said Mariotti, now a defense attorney at Thompson Coburn in Chicago. “I have no professional, personal knowledge of it, but when you’re looking at someone for something unrelated to taxes, still to get tax return information is very valuable information that tells you a lot of valuable things: who owes them money, who they owe money to, and where they keep their money.”
This is getting more and more interesting!
Sharpen yer weenie roastin' sticks and get the fire rolling!
Can't wait to see this one.
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Oh, I'm already by the campfire with my roastin' stick at the ready!!!
This should be good...
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
According to a Daily Beast report on Thursday, the special counsel has enlisted the help of agents from the criminal investigation unit of the Internal Revenue Service.
“I think he got everybody’s tax returns,” said Mariotti, now a defense attorney at Thompson Coburn in Chicago. “I have no professional, personal knowledge of it, but when you’re looking at someone for something unrelated to taxes, still to get tax return information is very valuable information that tells you a lot of valuable things: who owes them money, who they owe money to, and where they keep their money.”
This is getting more and more interesting!
Sharpen yer weenie roastin' sticks and get the fire rolling!
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With long precedent of presidents crafting, explaining, debating, negotiating, and selling bills, Trump is under increasing pressure to read one.
Press rips Prez for lack of intellectual curiosity, then slams him for expressing curiosity about his pardoning authority. Can't have it both ways!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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For the most part, the press serves a purpose, but many times they allow the business side of the industry to dictate their coverage. In other words....RATINGS (which leads to advertising and big bucks).
I agree, the media can be super hypocritical, especially in their coverage of politics and political figures. They're right though, his attention span does not allow for deep thinking and cognitive thought.
What makes their criticism of his interest in his pardoning power particularly on point, is that normally a president uses it to right a terrible wrong; to undo an egregious error in the name of justice. In the grand scheme of things in this country, we cherish justice and civil rights, especially when the punishment does not fit the crime; or when there is a particularly obvious miscarriage of justice.
What Trump did, in many eyes (especially those of law enforcement and legal institutions), when he pardoned Sheriff Joe, was considered a slap in the face to the legal system and rule of law in this land. He, on the other hand, considers his action to be one of fairness and law and order. Of course, justice may have a different take on the matter; but as everyone knows...she's blind. I think it's more his motives that are coming into question, well more than anything else.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
With long precedent of presidents crafting, explaining, debating, negotiating, and selling bills, Trump is under increasing pressure to read one.
Press rips Prez for lack of intellectual curiosity, then slams him for expressing curiosity about his pardoning authority. Can't have it both ways!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Typical of Trump, he’s too incompetent to implement even policies that are straightforward and have broad bipartisan support:
….The Trump administration is also moving to cut off from the international financial system Chinese banks and trading companies that supply Pyongyang, however, those cases are moving slowly because of the hiring freeze at the State Department and personnel shortages at the Justice and Treasury departments, according to Stanton. “The government has made some of the right policy decisions, at least in sanctions, but they are not putting enough people on task," he said.
www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-un-north-korea-20170904-story.html
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There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.
Put their jobs on the line and watch it get done quickly.
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That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.
I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.
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Quote:No need to threaten 6. Let's be civil now.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.
I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.
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And you know this because...?
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.
Put their jobs on the line and watch it get done quickly.
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The Trump Administration (if you could call it that) hasn't a clue as to what to do, pure and simple, least of all Trump who has never served in public office.
It's like giving a baby a bike, with no training wheels, and expecting him to do wheelies. (I said baby, ha that's funny).
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
Typical of Trump, he’s too incompetent to implement even policies that are straightforward and have broad bipartisan support:
….The Trump administration is also moving to cut off from the international financial system Chinese banks and trading companies that supply Pyongyang, however, those cases are moving slowly because of the hiring freeze at the State Department and personnel shortages at the Justice and Treasury departments, according to Stanton. “The government has made some of the right policy decisions, at least in sanctions, but they are not putting enough people on task," he said.
www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-un-north-korea-20170904-story.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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No matter....he will be exposed for the fraud he is.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.
I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And you know this because...?
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.
Put their jobs on the line and watch it get done quickly.
Because I've been laid off twice in the private sector from two high paying jobs, and I've avoided twice as many layoffs.
Government employees don't worry about losing their jobs. This is the number one reason why people dread having to work with any government employees to get anything done. They don't care. They're lazy, unmotivated, and in the case of the forced diversity hires that trump actual talent they are also unqualified for the position in the first place.
Start cracking the whip and letting them know that their jobs are on the line if they don't start performing and you'll see all the little ants get in a line to start working.
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So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?
Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.
But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.
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Quote:How many times will Mueller need to exonerate Trump before he finally admits it publicly?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?
Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.
But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.
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Mueller is about to subpoena Trump aides and administration officials, including Reince Priebus and Trump's White House attorneys. He will depose them and grill them for info regarding the Kelly appointment and subsequent dismissal.
This has 'international incident' written all over it.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:How many times will Mueller need to exonerate Trump before he finally admits it publicly?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?
Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.
But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.
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Quote:what does Kelley have to do with obstruction?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Mueller is about to subpoena Trump aides and administration officials, including Reince Priebus and Trump's White House attorneys. He will depose them and grill them for info regarding the Kelly appointment and subsequent dismissal.
This has 'international incident' written all over it.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:How many times will Mueller need to exonerate Trump before he finally admits it publicly?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?
Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.
But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.
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What you're talking about is the DMV syndrome...(Dept. of Motor Vehicles); they are notorious for being lazy SOBs. But I've worked the private sector as well, and I have found pockets of laziness within the corporate system that closely matches that of government employment.
I used to work for a large company that didn't have a clue what their own employees did for a living within their own system. Both bosses and workers shuffling papers and their feet until it was quitting time. So it happens everywhere, with all kinds of people (just in case you had it in mind that only certain type of people are lazy).
Each individual must answer to themselves on their work ethic.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And you know this because...?
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.
Put their jobs on the line and watch it get done quickly.
Because I've been laid off twice in the private sector from two high paying jobs, and I've avoided twice as many layoffs.
Government employees don't worry about losing their jobs. This is the number one reason why people dread having to work with any government employees to get anything done. They don't care. They're lazy, unmotivated, and in the case of the forced diversity hires that trump actual talent they are also unqualified for the position in the first place.
Start cracking the whip and letting them know that their jobs are on the line if they don't start performing and you'll see all the little ants get in a line to start working.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What you're talking about is the DMV syndrome...(Dept. of Motor Vehicles); they are notorious for being lazy SOBs. But I've worked the private sector as well, and I have found pockets of laziness within the corporate system that closely matches that of government employment.
I used to work for a large company that didn't have a clue what their own employees did for a living within their own system. Both bosses and workers shuffling papers and their feet until it was quitting time. So it happens everywhere, with all kinds of people (just in case you had it in mind that only certain type of people are lazy).
Each individual must answer to themselves on their work ethic.
SGG
Yeah, it happens everywhere for sure, but especially in the economy we've lived in the last 12 or so years there aren't many private sector jobs left where they haven't laid off the under-performing employees.
It's only government jobs and Union jobs where they get paid a livable wage with benefits and are virtually immune to losing their jobs where it runs rampant though.
It's damn near impossible to get those jobs, particularly if you're a white male today, but once you're in you're basically set for life unless you get caught doing some heinous shit.
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The former KGB invested in a massive operation, Russian troll farms, to beat Clinton. Russians posing as Americans came within just 3 million votes of pulling that off, enough to give Putin what he wanted.
There was a time when that would have bothered most Americans.
www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-electio
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. . . The Russian information attack on the election did not stop with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails or the fire hose of stories, true, false and in between, that battered Mrs. Clinton on Russian outlets like RT and Sputnik. Far less splashy, and far more difficult to trace, was Russia’s experimentation on Facebook and Twitter, the American companies that essentially invented the tools of social media and, in this case, did not stop them from being turned into engines of deception and propaganda.
. . . On Wednesday, Facebook officials disclosed that they had shut down several hundred accounts that they believe were created by a Russian company linked to the Kremlin and used to buy $100,000 in ads pushing divisive issues during and after the American election campaign.
On Twitter, as on Facebook, Russian fingerprints are on hundreds or thousands of fake accounts that regularly posted anti-Clinton messages. Many were automated Twitter accounts, called bots, that sometimes fired off identical messages seconds apart — and in the exact alphabetical order of their made-up names, according to the FireEye researchers. . . .
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Originally posted by second:
There was a time when that would have bothered most Americans.
The global economy already took most of the good jobs here. I'm not shedding any tears for Clinton's current unemployment situation.
Maybe if Clinton wasn't such a piece of shit, and didn't surround herself with nothing but other pieces of shit, she could have denied everything. What she did deny, she lied about. The rest nobody even bothered trying to claim wasn't true.
Whoever hacked the DNC and Podesta's emails did the country a favor.
I think my favorite email was when Wolf Blitzer and the DNC were colluding. I can't believe that you people have made it so that man still has a job.
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Going through this article, I've concluded that - once again - there's a notable lack of evidence for any of its claims.
Even more troubling, the article puts genuine people with honestly-held opinions in the same category as alleged bots and trolls - as alleged warriors on the alleged pro-Russian side of the alleged information war. They are people who spread things 'American officials' don't want you to think.
The only propaganda I find evidence for in this article, is the article itself.
Quote:Well, supposedly Russia created fake Americans. But there's no indication that, even if it did, they influenced the election. Otherwise, the title would have been "The Fake Americans Russia Created THAT InfluenceD the Election".
The Fake Americans Russia Created to Influence the Election
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter
-election.html
Is there evidence for the claim?
Was the election ACTUALLY influenced?
Reading further ...
Quote:I wonder if that's self-descriptive ...
a few shots that draw little notice
Quote:There is not now, nor has there ever been, evidence that Russians did it. So right at the start, I'm pretty sure that this is propaganda, pushing a false, but often-echoed, narrative as 'news'.
The DCLeaks site had gone live a few days earlier, posting the first samples of material, stolen from prominent Americans by Russian hackers ...
Quote:With a minuscule penetration into the US market.
... that battered Mrs. Clinton on Russian outlets like RT and Sputnik ...
Quote:The thesis.
... Russia’s experimentation on Facebook and Twitter, the American companies that essentially invented the tools of social media and, in this case, did not stop them from being turned into engines of deception and propaganda.
Quote:https://www.fireeye.com/ a commercial venture selling security, hired by the Clintons for their foundation http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-idUSKCN10T01G - and hopefully, better than CrowdStrike which firewalled the DNC server away from FBI investigation. (And, now that I think about it - why would you not want the FBI snooping on your server? Could there be DNC criminal activity there?)
investigation by The New York Times, and new research from the cybersecurity firm FireEye ...
Quote:out of roughly 2 billion, with a 'b' https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/
On Wednesday, Facebook officials disclosed that they had shut down several hundred accounts (470 “inauthentic” accounts) ...
Quote:Is there evidence?
... that they believe ...
Quote:Every link I found goes back to one NYTimes article which itself has no evidence.
... were created by a Russian company ... (Internet Research Agency) ... linked ...
Quote:no evidence
... to the Kremlin ...
Quote:out of about a half-billion - $500,000,000,000 - spent on ads, total http://elections.ap.org/content/ad-spending
... and used to buy $100,000 in ads ...
So far I don't see either evidence OR anything remotely significant about these FB claims.
The case for Twitter is even weaker.
Quote:This is another un-evidenced claim.
Given the powerful role of social media in political contests ...
Quote:begging the question, thesis assumed as fact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
... understanding the Russian efforts
Quote:Facebook has a nasty habit of kicking legitimate users off for unpopular politics. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/your-money/kicked-off-facebook-and-
“We know we have to stay vigilant to keep ahead of people who try to misuse our platform,” Alex Stamos, Facebook’s chief security officer, wrote on Wednesday in a post about the Russia-linked fake accounts and ads. “We believe in protecting the integrity of civic discourse.”
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Quote:So yer sayin' that Clinton WON the Election, and is now President? She was not beaten? Hilliary was not defeated?
Originally posted by second:
The former KGB invested in a massive operation, Russian troll farms, to beat Clinton. Russians posing as Americans came within just 3 million votes of pulling that off, enough to give Putin what he wanted.
Quote:There was a time when pretend quasi-pseudo-truth masquerading as actual facts and truth would have bothered most Americans.
There was a time when that would have bothered most Americans.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Going through this article, I've concluded that - once again - there's a notable lack of evidence for any of its claims.
Even more troubling, the article puts genuine people with honestly-held opinions in the same category as alleged bots and trolls - as alleged warriors on the alleged pro-Russian side of the alleged information war. They are people who spread things 'American officials' don't want you to think.
The only propaganda I find evidence for in this article, is the article itself.Quote:Well, supposedly Russia created fake Americans. But there's no indication that, even if it did, they influenced the election. Otherwise, the title would have been "The Fake Americans Russia Created THAT InfluenceD the Election".
The Fake Americans Russia Created to Influence the Election
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter
-election.html
Is there evidence for the claim?
Was the election ACTUALLY influenced?
Reading further ...Quote:I wonder if that's self-descriptive ...
a few shots that draw little noticeQuote:There is not now, nor has there ever been, evidence that Russians did it. So right at the start, I'm pretty sure that this is propaganda, pushing a false, but often-echoed, narrative as 'news'.
The DCLeaks site had gone live a few days earlier, posting the first samples of material, stolen from prominent Americans by Russian hackers ...Quote:With a minuscule penetration into the US market.
... that battered Mrs. Clinton on Russian outlets like RT and Sputnik ...Quote:The thesis.
... Russia’s experimentation on Facebook and Twitter, the American companies that essentially invented the tools of social media and, in this case, did not stop them from being turned into engines of deception and propaganda.Quote:https://www.fireeye.com/ a commercial venture selling security, hired by the Clintons for their foundation http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-idUSKCN10T01G - and hopefully, better than CrowdStrike which firewalled the DNC server away from FBI investigation. (And, now that I think about it - why would you not want the FBI snooping on your server? Could there be DNC criminal activity there?)
investigation by The New York Times, and new research from the cybersecurity firm FireEye ...Quote:out of roughly 2 billion, with a 'b' https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/
On Wednesday, Facebook officials disclosed that they had shut down several hundred accounts (470 “inauthentic” accounts) ...Quote:Is there evidence?
... that they believe ...Quote:Every link I found goes back to one NYTimes article which itself has no evidence.
... were created by a Russian company ... (Internet Research Agency) ... linked ...Quote:no evidence
... to the Kremlin ...Quote:out of about a half-billion - $500,000,000,000 - spent on ads, total http://elections.ap.org/content/ad-spending
... and used to buy $100,000 in ads ...
So far I don't see either evidence OR anything remotely significant about these FB claims.
The case for Twitter is even weaker.Quote:This is another un-evidenced claim.
Given the powerful role of social media in political contests ...Quote:begging the question, thesis assumed as fact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
... understanding the Russian efforts
Quote:Facebook has a nasty habit of kicking legitimate users off for unpopular politics. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/your-money/kicked-off-facebook-and-
“We know we have to stay vigilant to keep ahead of people who try to misuse our platform,” Alex Stamos, Facebook’s chief security officer, wrote on Wednesday in a post about the Russia-linked fake accounts and ads. “We believe in protecting the integrity of civic discourse.”
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I do need to get on with my day.
This effort will cost me in sleep at the end of the day as I try to catch up with real life, after trying to dislodge insane propaganda from the minds of crazy people who couldn't engage in one iota of critical thinking if their lives depended on it.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Here's the thing...this is what a Special Prosecutor does, he investigates and uncovers any wrongdoing, violation of the federal law, violation of the law in general (of which Trump is accustomed to getting away with in the private sector).
So, let's say, for argument's sake, that a detective is investigating a homicide. And, in the course of the investigation, he finds that there was also a kidnapping of another victim. Now, should the detective ignore the kidnapping? Or does he alert his superior of the crime and dispatch another detective to investigate the kidnapping?
Things are getting interesting.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.
I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.
To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative so-called "professionals" of the Times, and disseminate the truth. You carefully and thoughtfully dismantled the cadre of lies promoted as truth by the obvious insane hordes of the anti-Russian propagandists. They mindlessly, and without a shred of hard evidence, scatter disinformation across the country like locusts; feeding the brainless followers of injustice and chaos.
You brilliantly expose the "crazies" who don't have brain one among them and who are incapable of critical thinking, so much so that they might as well be dead. The Walking Dead. I hope that you pursue your talent for "dislodging insane propaganda" and devote your life to your journalistic skill in exposing the lies from the "professionals" who do this for a living on a day-to-day basis; obviously they are in the wrong business.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I do need to get on with my day.
This effort will cost me in sleep at the end of the day as I try to catch up with real life, after trying to dislodge insane propaganda from the minds of crazy people who couldn't engage in one iota of critical thinking if their lives depended on it.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:referring to the New York Times lackeys as anything other than the Libtard Extremists they are, your tongue must be planted so firmly in your cheek I fear you won't be able to eat for weeks
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I do need to get on with my day.
This effort will cost me in sleep at the end of the day as I try to catch up with real life, after trying to dislodge insane propaganda from the minds of crazy people who couldn't engage in one iota of critical thinking if their lives depended on it.
To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative
Quote:well put. I didn't know you could see so clearly
so-called "professionals" of the Times, and disseminate the truth. You carefully and thoughtfully dismantled the cadre of lies promoted as truth by the obvious insane hordes of the anti-Russian propagandists. They mindlessly, and without a shred of hard evidence, scatter disinformation across the country like locusts; feeding the brainless followers of injustice and chaos.
You brilliantly expose the "crazies" who don't have brain one among them and who are incapable of critical thinking, so much so that they might as well be dead. The Walking Dead.
Quote:are you taking sides now? Sure, the Professional Liars of the NYT Wing of the Democrap Campaign Committee, who pretend to be "journalists" or fair and unbiased, get paid for their daily work on this propaganda.
I hope that you pursue your talent for "dislodging insane propaganda" and devote your life to your journalistic skill in exposing the lies from the "professionals" who do this for a living on a day-to-day basis; obviously they are in the wrong business.
SGG
But you're saying they are in the wrong business fabrication lies for their Democrap Heroes, that they should switch to the other side and start reporting news, or provide honest and balanced information to the American Electorate? I didn't know you had such a Utopian Patriotic streak in you.
Golly, you almost started sounding like a Constitutionalist. True, the First Amendment does not spell out a reason for Freedom of the Press, but Informed Electorate was a prime argument for it. Imagine if the MainStreamMedia reverted to Informing the Electorate, in this day and age!!
Well, at least there is no danger of NYT reverting to honest journalism, or the public would get really confused with such an About Face.
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Quote:I'm curious if you were equally taken in by the NYTimes and its efforts on the Hussein/ WMD meme.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.
To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative so-called "professionals" of the Times, and disseminate the truth. You carefully and thoughtfully dismantled the cadre of lies promoted as truth by the obvious insane hordes of the anti-Russian propagandists. They mindlessly, and without a shred of hard evidence, scatter disinformation across the country like locusts; feeding the brainless followers of injustice and chaos.
You brilliantly expose the "crazies" who don't have brain one among them and who are incapable of critical thinking, so much so that they might as well be dead. The Walking Dead. I hope that you pursue your talent for "dislodging insane propaganda" and devote your life to your journalistic skill in exposing the lies from the "professionals" who do this for a living on a day-to-day basis; obviously they are in the wrong business.
SGG
And if not, if you think that the NYTimes, having so obviously engaged in propaganda in the past, is now totally incapable of engaging in propaganda in the present.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Meanwhile, this is about as good a time as any to post this.
Has The NYT Gone Collectively Mad?
Sep 13, 2017 9:15 PM
Authored by Robert Parry* via ConsortiumNews.com, [4]
Crossing a line from recklessness into madness, The New York Times published a front-page opus suggesting that Russia was behind social media criticism of Hillary Clinton... [5]
For those of us who have taught journalism or worked as editors, a sign that an article is the product of sloppy or dishonest journalism is that a key point will be declared as flat fact when it is unproven or a point in serious dispute – and it then becomes the foundation for other claims, building a story like a high-rise constructed on sand.
This use of speculation as fact is something to guard against particularly in the work of inexperienced or opinionated reporters.
But what happens when this sort of unprofessional work tops page one of The New York Times one day as a major “investigative” article and reemerges the next day in even more strident form as a major Times editorial? Are we dealing then with an inept journalist who got carried away with his thesis or are we facing institutional corruption or even a collective madness driven by ideological fervor?
What is stunning about the lede story [6] in last Friday’s print edition of The New York Times is that it offers no real evidence to support its provocative claim that – as the headline states – “To Sway Vote, Russia Used Army of Fake Americans” or its subhead: “Flooding Twitter and Facebook, Impostors Helped Fuel Anger in Polarized U.S.”
In the old days, this wildly speculative article, which spills over three pages, would have earned an F in a J-school class or gotten a rookie reporter a stern rebuke from a senior editor. But now such unprofessionalism is highlighted by The New York Times, which boasts that it is the standard-setter of American journalism, the nation’s “newspaper of record.”
In this case, it allows reporter Scott Shane to introduce his thesis by citing some Internet accounts that apparently used fake identities, but he ties none of them to the Russian government. Acting like he has minimal familiarity with the Internet – yes, a lot of people do use fake identities – Shane builds his case on the assumption that accounts that cited references to purloined Democratic emails must be somehow from an agent or a bot connected to the Kremlin.
For instance, Shane cites the fake identity of “Melvin Redick,” who suggested on June 8, 2016, that people visit DCLeaks which, a few days earlier, had posted some emails from prominent Americans, which Shane states as fact – not allegation – were “stolen … by Russian hackers.”
Shane then adds, also as flat fact, that “The site’s phony promoters were in the vanguard of a cyberarmy of counterfeit Facebook and Twitter accounts, a legion of Russian-controlled impostors whose operations are still being unraveled.”
The Times’ Version
In other words, Shane tells us, “The Russian information attack on the election did not stop with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails or the fire hose of stories, true, false and in between, that battered Mrs. Clinton on Russian outlets like RT and Sputnik. Far less splashy, and far more difficult to trace, was Russia’s experimentation on Facebook and Twitter, the American companies that essentially invented the tools of social media and, in this case, did not stop them from being turned into engines of deception and propaganda.” [7]
Besides the obvious point that very few Americans watch RT and/or Sputnik and that Shane offers no details about the alleged falsity of those “fire hose of stories,” let’s examine how his accusations are backed up:
“An investigation by The New York Times, and new research from the cybersecurity firm FireEye, reveals some of the mechanisms by which suspected Russian operators used Twitter and Facebook to spread anti-Clinton messages and promote the hacked material they had leaked. On Wednesday, Facebook officials disclosed that they had shut down seve
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Quote:Kinda looks like SGG was the leading edge of recognizing the genius of Kiki.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:I'm curious if you were equally taken in by the NYTimes and its efforts on the Hussein/ WMD meme.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.
To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative so-called "professionals" of the Times, and disseminate the truth. You carefully and thoughtfully dismantled the cadre of lies promoted as truth by the obvious insane hordes of the anti-Russian propagandists. They mindlessly, and without a shred of hard evidence, scatter disinformation across the country like locusts; feeding the brainless followers of injustice and chaos.
You brilliantly expose the "crazies" who don't have brain one among them and who are incapable of critical thinking, so much so that they might as well be dead. The Walking Dead. I hope that you pursue your talent for "dislodging insane propaganda" and devote your life to your journalistic skill in exposing the lies from the "professionals" who do this for a living on a day-to-day basis; obviously they are in the wrong business.
SGG
And if not, if you think that the NYTimes, having so obviously engaged in propaganda in the past, is now totally incapable of engaging in propaganda in the present.
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I'm curious if you were equally taken in by the NYTimes and its efforts on the Hussein/ WMD meme. And if not, if you think that the NYTimes, having so obviously engaged in propaganda in the past, is now totally incapable of engaging in propaganda in the present.
You have obviously done your homework. Nothing that comes from the NY Times is true. It is part and parcel the philosophy of the ruling class, the aristocratic elite, who palm off their elitist propaganda on the long suffering masses, the teaming wretched populace.
WMDs was a set up from go. It was a pretense to sabotage an American puppet in the region in order to make millions from government contracts that would line the pockets of oligarchs named Bush and Cheney. Besides propaganda is propaganda, and these so-called news outlets are controlled by the filthy rich and represent their iron-fisted grip on world events.
P.S. I know your testing me.
P.P.S. It's also obvious that the Times is looking to set up Russia as the fall guys in the global struggle for power with the United States. Trump is as much a puppet as Sadam was.
SGG
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SGG: Trump is as much a puppet as Sadam was.
Trump is a puppet of the Republicans?
And he'll stay in office as long as he's useful to them.
Which could be thru 2024?
All the Democrats can hope for is to come up with a better
candidate, someone the people actually like?
(Well, Arnold's a Republican & ineligible for the presidency anyways.
O who else is there?
Promise me the Dems won't run Hillary again.)
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million
but I was just as happy when I had $48 million."
~Arnold Schwarzenegger
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As extreme as Trump is, the dems have failed to capitalize on the situation.
Have you wondered what is the dem malady?
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:I've always known what it was.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
As extreme as Trump is, the dems have failed to capitalize on the situation.
Have you wondered what is the dem malady?
The Democrats’ problem is that the Democratic voters mistakenly believe the majority of Americans think we are all in this together. The majority does not think that way. For the majority, if somebody gets more from the government, it means less for them and they are opposed. That’s why they hate this or that government program that is not exclusively targeted to give money to people exactly like themselves. For examples, it's Christians vs Non-Christians and old vs young and whites vs blacks and middle-class vs poor and coasts vs the heartland. The GOP leadership can take advantage of that hatred between groups of Americans to changes laws, kill programs and cut taxes for the wealthy, which is fortunate for me. I am all for cutting taxes for me and my 1% class. I am all for deregulating my business. The Democratic leadership doesn’t protect the fortunes of rich white people as enthusiastically as does the GOP leadership. Very sad for the Democratic party that it won’t place rich white people first among all people and then lie about that priority as the GOP does.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Democrats’ problem is that the Democratic voters mistakenly believe the majority of Americans think we are all in this together. The majority does not think that way.
But the majority of Americans DID think we are all in this together.
Something cost the democrats that belief.
What did the democrats do right to get that level of support? What did the democrats do wrong to lose that level of support?
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Heard the news say Mueller is ready to arrest somebody tomorrow.
Is Anybody betting on who it will be?
Democrat, RepublicN, other?
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I'm just waiting to see if they release any evidence, and if they do, what claim does it support.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard the news say Mueller is ready to arrest somebody tomorrow.
Is Anybody betting on who it will be?
Democrat, RepublicN, other?
I hope it's someone in the Trump camp, since I want him to resign
or be impeached.
However, Mike Pence would then be PotUS. Is he a war monger?
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My money's on Manafort...what is he again? Repub, Dem, Russky?
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard the news say Mueller is ready to arrest somebody tomorrow.
Is Anybody betting on who it will be?
Democrat, RepublicN, other?
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I'm of the mind that that may not happen for a while, until a trial, if any, should happen. My guess is that if Mueller brings someone in, it's pretty serious - as they say in my neck of the woods - he does not play. He will have all his ducks in a row, and you see how he doesn't play to the media, or grand stand, as Trump would say about Comey.
Gee, I hope that they show who it is in a perp walk!
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm just waiting to see if they release any evidence, and if they do, what claim does it support.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women....Wow, that is very telling of his character and that he's a weak-minded fool.
Anyway you put it, it's BAD!
SGG
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard the news say Mueller is ready to arrest somebody tomorrow.
Is Anybody betting on who it will be?
Democrat, RepublicN, other?
I hope it's someone in the Trump camp, since I want him to resign
or be impeached.
However, Mike Pence would then be PotUS. Is he a war monger?
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1kiki, it is easy to talk big, then not follow through on the promises. It is making a big speech about how wonderful you are then not writing the check. Who will know that you never mailed it?
What Americans will say is ten-times more generous than what they would actually do for other Americans. The Republican party is stubborn and stingy with tax money. The Democrat party is generous with tax money, being the ones who want to spend more on the poor and healthcare, not less.
Money is what cost the Democrats their majority. White people really-really don't like it when the federal government spends more on non-whites than whites. White people get really-really resentful and vote for the GOP.
www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-and-the-truth-his-charitable
-giving
http://fortune.com/2017/09/17/trump-inaugural-donations-missing/
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
The Democrats’ problem is that the Democratic voters mistakenly believe the majority of Americans think we are all in this together. The majority does not think that way.
But the majority of Americans DID think we are all in this together.
Something cost the democrats that belief.
What did the democrats do right to get that level of support? What did the democrats do wrong to lose that level of support?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women.
SGG
Could be his way of saying his virility is out of control?
And wimmen just come on to him?
Not to worry about war-monger. :)
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SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.
Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.
Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.
Where do you get this sh#t?? No wonder you’re world view is so messed up.
So great, argue for “Fairness” until you’re blue in the face. And while you do the poor should wait? No? Right, the people Without your money and resources will be relying on Charity to get through another day. Walk a mile, toots.
G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.
Where do you get this sh#t?? No wonder you’re world view is so messed up.
So great, argue for “Fairness” until you’re blue in the face. And while you do the poor should wait? No? Right, the people Without your money and resources will be relying on Charity to get through another day. Walk a mile, toots.
G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.
Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities.
What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more.
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Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses it a few of its own bones.
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Where do you get this sh#t?? No wonder you’re world view is so messed up. So great, argue for “Fairness” until you’re blue in the face. And while you do the poor should wait? No? Right, the people Without your money and resources will be relying on Charity to get through another day. Walk a mile, toots. - POSTED BY G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant
Oh, you liked that analogy, didn't you? I heard it from an old union organizer 40 years ago, when I was but a youth. I can't possibly do it justice as it was told to me, but obviously it's stuck with me for a long time. And now, it'll stick with you.
Quote:Given my EXTREMELY long history of posting here, the possibility of me being a Russian troll is so remote as to be nonexistent. I can't imagine why you keep clinging to that fantasy, except that you're an imbecile. (With apologies to imbeciles everywhere.)
Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities. What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more. - THUGR
Do I have money? Yes, more than most, but not as much as some. Hubby and I have set it aside to provide for our mentally challenged daughter. Is that being successful? I dunno, you tell me.
Now, as far as "charity" is concerned, that goes back to "America's interests", one of the essential questions that you've avoided answering since I posted it, maybe as long as a year ago. You know, I can't imagine ANYone claiming to represent America's interests who doesn't have the foggiest notion of what those might be, and for whom that is such new territory of thought that they're actually afraid to answer the question! I even posted a few ideas of my own, just to get you started. Even if you don't answer the question here, you really should give it some private thought.
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Quote: Me
Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities. What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more. - THUGR
Quote:SIG
Given my EXTREMELY long history of posting here, the possibility of me being a Russian troll is so remote as to be nonexistent. I can't imagine why you keep clinging to that fantasy, except that you're an imbecile. (With apologies to imbeciles everywhere.)
I deal in facts SIG. My post about you is not up for debate.
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women.
SGG
Could be his way of saying his virility is out of control?
And wimmen just come on to him?
Not to worry about war-monger. :)
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Most people do not wish to live under the misguided morale restrictions a bible thumper would place upon them.
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I might like to talk about Bible Thumper & Armageddon in a topic like "How Crazy is the GOP?"
Instead, before I came here today, I read about Robert Mueller's work.
He is investigating & filing charges against Trump political associates.
Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand.
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million, but I
was just as happy when I had $48 million." ~Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Quote:Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.
Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a
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Well Oonj, think of it this way.....it's a Law & Order episode where the culprits are pulling a heist while feigning interest in politics.
Always follow the money; that and power affecting people's lives seems to be the rule of the day. These are criminals nonetheless, they are up to no good no matter what collar they wear.
Hope that simplifies things for you.
SGG
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I might like to talk about Bible Thumper & Armageddon in a topic like "How Crazy is the GOP?"
Instead, before I came here today, I read about Robert Mueller's work.
He is investigating & filing charges against Trump political associates.
Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand.
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million, but I
was just as happy when I had $48 million." ~Arnold Schwarzenegger
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I think it's much simpler than that.
He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.
Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a
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Zerohedge...The staff there hide their identities.
Yeah, I kinda noticed that when I saw the byline for a story...Tyler Durden.
I would hide my identity too. I just chuckled and moved on.
SGG
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities. What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more. - THUGR
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Given my EXTREMELY long history of posting here, the possibility of me being a Russian troll is so remote as to be nonexistent. I can't imagine why you keep clinging to that fantasy, except that you're an imbecile. (With apologies to imbeciles everywhere.)
I deal in facts SIG. My post about you is not up for debate.
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Fact is Mueller has started the ball rolling...so here comes the fun part. Let's see how many rats leave the good ship "Trumpster."
Like I said: Manafort, plus two more cronies Gates and Papa-dope-ulos.
Ahhhh, this is going to be good!
SGG
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women.
SGG
Could be his way of saying his virility is out of control?
And wimmen just come on to him?
Not to worry about war-monger. :)
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Most people do not wish to live under the misguided morale restrictions a bible thumper would place upon them.
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Quote:Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think it's much simpler than that.
He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that?
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a
Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Yeah, I kinda noticed that when I saw the byline for a story...Tyler Durden.
Zerohedge...The staff there hide their identities.
I would hide my identity too. I just chuckled and moved on.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote: Me
Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. - THUGR
Quote:SIG
Given my EXTREMELY long history of posting here, I can't imagine why you keep clinging to that fantasy, except that you're an imbecile. (With apologies to imbeciles everywhere.)
So when you see zerohedge sharing that the Earth is not flat, and the Sun often rises in the East, and drowning is not the best form of witch detection, and Hilliary is a known criminal, then you will know for certain those are all lies and return to your Fake News MSM for comfort in your delusions? Good logic.
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Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.
Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.
Could you translate the above into English, or Americanism? I left my decoder ring in my other jacket.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think it's much simpler than that.
He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that?
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-
kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a
Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.
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So when you see zerohedge sharing that the Earth is not flat, and the Sun often rises in the East, and drowning is not the best form of witch detection, and Hilliary is a known criminal, then you will know for certain those are all lies and return to your Fake News MSM for comfort in your delusions? Good logic.
No!
I'm all for interpreting the news of the day and commentary so as to raise awareness.
But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.
To be honest, I got a kick out of seeing Tyler Durden's name being used, but I would have had more respect for the "reporting" had there been proper attribution and proper identification of the critique or commentary regarding the instant article.
SGG
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It's amazing SHINYGOODGUY just how stupid some here are isn't it? Great job explaining why zerohedge is nothing but fake news. Still, when someone quotes the site it is a good indicator they are trolling. It's like they are pinning a sign on themselves; I'm a troll, and oh by the way, stupid as well because you now know I am going to lie and manipulate the truth to incite bad feels within you.
Yep SHINY, they're pretty dumb. Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
So when you see zerohedge sharing that the Earth is not flat, and the Sun often rises in the East, and drowning is not the best form of witch detection, and Hilliary is a known criminal, then you will know for certain those are all lies and return to your Fake News MSM for comfort in your delusions? Good logic.
No!
I'm all for interpreting the news of the day and commentary so as to raise awareness.
But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.
To be honest, I got a kick out of seeing Tyler Durden's name being used, but I would have had more respect for the "reporting" had there been proper attribution and proper identification of the critique or commentary regarding the instant article.
SGG
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's amazing SHINYGOODGUY just how stupid some here are isn't it? Great job explaining why zerohedge is nothing but fake news. Still, when someone quotes the site it is a good indicator they are trolling. It's like they are pinning a sign on themselves; I'm a troll, and oh by the way, stupid as well because you now know I am going to lie and manipulate the truth to incite bad feels within you.
Yep SHINY, they're pretty dumb.
delusions? Good logic.
I've been an escapist* all my life.
Read the fun stuff; ignore the real stuff.
The real stuff was too complex for me anyways.
*& if you love Firefly, you should be, too.
When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.
When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.
My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.
Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's amazing SHINYGOODGUY just how stupid some here are isn't it? Great job explaining why zerohedge is nothing but fake news. Still, when someone quotes the site it is a good indicator they are trolling. It's like they are pinning a sign on themselves; I'm a troll, and oh by the way, stupid as well because you now know I am going to lie and manipulate the truth to incite bad feels within you.
Yep SHINY, they're pretty dumb.
delusions? Good logic.
I've been an escapist* all my life.
Read the fun stuff; ignore the real stuff.
The real stuff was too complex for me anyways.
*& if you love Firefly, you should be, too.
When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.
When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.
My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.
Shiney, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?
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Bullshit Oonjerah, yep bullshit. I've been here long enough to know you speak eloquently when you chose to post about something. When in doubt you express that as you have here. I can't recall you ever posting mulishly or maliciously, and I certainly don't recall you ever trolling here. Know that I would challenge anyone who claimed otherwise.
If you were to cease and desist, this site would be all the poorer. Yep Oonjerah, I have to say, bullshit.
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Bullshit Oonjerah, yep bullshit. I've been here long enough to know you speak eloquently when you chose to post about something. When in doubt you express that as you have here. I can't recall you ever posting mulishly or maliciously, and I certainly don't recall you ever trolling here. Know that I would challenge anyone who claimed otherwise.
If you were to cease and desist, this site would be all the poorer. Yep Oonjerah, I have to say, bullshit.
Thank you, THGRRI,
I didn't mean that I'm really stupid. I'm smart about some things,
like math & drawing. I'm not selfish & can't help caring about what's
fair. A society of mutual respect, share & share alike. I understand
about right & wrong at an inter-personal level.
But it turns out in RWED, most folks here post a lot about politics,
power, the law. About what's right or wrong with our country. And
who are the players running our country. Some can share intimate
political details going over decades, with dozens of players that I
never heard of. It's as a blur across my vision. For me, any large
serving of politics is data overload. My brain says, "WhaT?!" ...
"O, nevermind."
An exception is PotUS, Donald Trump. Like SGG, I can't believe
the republicans would nominate him & the people would vote for
him. That seems nuts to me.
But when a thread comes up with a good topic sans politics, I'll
probably take an interest.
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Quote:You know what the news is 'supposed' to be before you read it? That's some trick!
But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.
I like the links back to original documents, myself.
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What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:You know what the news is 'supposed' to be before you read it? That's some trick!
But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item, well then I don't take that news outlet and commentary seriously - especially when the byline is a "fake" name. Now, you might call it news, but not me.
I like the links back to original documents, myself.
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Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?
That's a good question Oonj, I suppose that could be the reason. Puerto Rican men have been serving in the Armed Forces since they became U.S. citizens, I believe it was 1917, just in time for WWI. I'll look into it and see what I could find.
I hope your friend is alright.
SGG
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGG
Quote:Those are your words ... you assume you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be. You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out. Instead of reading from a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item"
Because, apparently, you already know the news.
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You know something Oonj, I like when folk own up to not knowing something. I appreciate how you approach your comments and responses here. You're right, not many who will admit it.
There were times when I would forget that, so thanks for giving me a nudge and a point in the right direction. That goes for you too Thgrri. Now I won't go as far as calling someone a troll (well, it is fun to unleash the hounds from time to time), but my general rule of thumb is to try and treat others with a modicum of respect (that is, of course, until they cross the line).
Anywho, I read and watch the news. Then I come here and entertain myself by reading some of the posts here. It can be a real eye-opening experience. But the one thing I can't abide is...well, I'll stop here. Gentlemen, keep on trucking!
SGG
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
THGRRIQuote:
Bullshit Oonjerah, yep bullshit. I've been here long enough to know you speak eloquently when you chose to post about something. When in doubt you express that as you have here. I can't recall you ever posting mulishly or maliciously, and I certainly don't recall you ever trolling here. Know that I would challenge anyone who claimed otherwise.
If you were to cease and desist, this site would be all the poorer. Yep Oonjerah, I have to say, bullshit.
Thank you, THGRRI,
I didn't mean that I'm really stupid. I'm smart about some things,
like math & drawing. I'm not selfish & can't help caring about what's
fair. A society of mutual respect, share & share alike. I understand
about right & wrong at an inter-personal level.
But it turns out in RWED, most folks here post a lot about politics,
power, the law. About what's right or wrong with our country. And
who are the players running our country. Some can share intimate
political details going over decades, with dozens of players that I
never heard of. It's as a blur across my vision. For me, any large
serving of politics is data overload. My brain says, "WhaT?!" ...
"O, nevermind."
An exception is PotUS, Donald Trump. Like SGG, I can't believe
the republicans would nominate him & the people would vote for
him. That seems nuts to me.
But when a thread comes up with a good topic sans politics, I'll
probably take an interest.
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Those are your words
What words?
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you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be.
You see, you can learn.
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You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out.
Exact-o-mundo!
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a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.
I always did like a nice piece of trim.
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Because, apparently, you already know the news.
I think she's got it! By George she's got it!
And now for your dining, viewing and listening pleasure; a musical interlude as a reward for critical thinking: A Doctorate in Thinkology.
Remember: The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain!
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGGQuote:Those are your words ... you assume you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be. You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out. Instead of reading from a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item"
Because, apparently, you already know the news.
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Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt On Fake News, Russia, And “Information Warfare”
www.fastcompany.com/40488115/alphabets-eric-schmidt-on-fake-news-russi
a-and-information-warfare
“One of the things I did not understand,” says Schmidt, “was that these systems can be used to manipulate public opinion in ways that are quite inconsistent with what we think of as democracy.”
“We did not understand the extent to which governments – essentially what the Russians did – would use hacking to control the information space. It was not something we anticipated strongly enough,” Schmidt said. “I worry that the Russians in 2020 will have a lot more powerful tools.”
Schmidt adds that Alphabet has “gotten very interested in misinformation, how misinformation works, and how it manipulates people.”
Schmidt and Cohen say one of their biggest concerns going forward is the erosion of truth. That is, as agents of disinformation become more adept at spreading propaganda, there’s the potential that even the tech- and media-savvy will find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fake.
“Just using the Russians as an example – although plenty of other governments can do this – how would you feel if that stuff gets stronger? Would you be worried about it?”
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What are you talking about? Trick!? Whaaaaaaat!?
SGGQuote:Those are your words ... you assume you know what the 'right' news is supposed to be. You already know what needs to be in the news, what can be left out. Instead of reading from a variety of sources to get the fullest picture and try to make some sense out of it, you trim what you're willing to consider.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But when a so-called news outlet regurgitates the news and leaves out whole chunks to change the context of the news item"
Because, apparently, you already know the news.
All I can say kiki is your attempt here to cast aspersions on SGGs judgement has fallen way short. What a dumb response you offer concerning SGGs post. Really, your come back comes from way out in left field.
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Originally posted by second:
Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt On Fake News, Russia, And “Information Warfare”
www.fastcompany.com/40488115/alphabets-eric-schmidt-on-fake-news-russi
a-and-information-warfare
“One of the things I did not understand,” says Schmidt, “was that these systems can be used to manipulate public opinion in ways that are quite inconsistent with what we think of as democracy.”
“We did not understand the extent to which governments – essentially what the Russians did – would use hacking to control the information space. It was not something we anticipated strongly enough,” Schmidt said. “I worry that the Russians in 2020 will have a lot more powerful tools.”
Schmidt adds that Alphabet has “gotten very interested in misinformation, how misinformation works, and how it manipulates people.”
Schmidt and Cohen say one of their biggest concerns going forward is the erosion of truth. That is, as agents of disinformation become more adept at spreading propaganda, there’s the potential that even the tech- and media-savvy will find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fake.
“Just using the Russians as an example – although plenty of other governments can do this – how would you feel if that stuff gets stronger? Would you be worried about it?”
This was the Google exec, right?
Since he spent his career engineering disinformation, now he is amazed that others can do it also.
You also missed the part where he speculates that maybe, just possibly, it could be that there are some fake Google accounts - while the real world has known about bots for something like a decade or more. Great example of leadership in technology - be clueless about your realm.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Alphabet’s Eric Schmidt On Fake News, Russia, And “Information Warfare”
www.fastcompany.com/40488115/alphabets-eric-schmidt-on-fake-news-russi
a-and-information-warfare
“One of the things I did not understand,” says Schmidt, “was that these systems can be used to manipulate public opinion in ways that are quite inconsistent with what we think of as democracy.”
“We did not understand the extent to which governments – essentially what the Russians did – would use hacking to control the information space. It was not something we anticipated strongly enough,” Schmidt said. “I worry that the Russians in 2020 will have a lot more powerful tools.”
Schmidt adds that Alphabet has “gotten very interested in misinformation, how misinformation works, and how it manipulates people.”
Schmidt and Cohen say one of their biggest concerns going forward is the erosion of truth. That is, as agents of disinformation become more adept at spreading propaganda, there’s the potential that even the tech- and media-savvy will find it increasingly difficult to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fake.
“Just using the Russians as an example – although plenty of other governments can do this – how would you feel if that stuff gets stronger? Would you be worried about it?”
This was the Google exec, right?
Since he spent his career engineering disinformation, now he is amazed that others can do it also.
You also missed the part where he speculates that maybe, just possibly, it could be that there are some fake Google accounts - while the real world has known about bots for something like a decade or more. Great example of leadership in technology - be clueless about your realm.
I have to believe maybe as many as one in 30 google accounts is fake. I created one to join this site. I don't do anything else with it, but all the same it's fake.
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I see THUGGER continues to bravely resist factual, evidenced information and continues to hew to received doctrine.
GOOD JOB! keeping those blinders on.
Keep pulling that cart, little horsie!
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Los Angeles Times Editorial:
No, Mr. President, it's not sad that you can't dictate to the Justice Department
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-trump-justice-20171104
-story.html
... "The president is the head of the executive branch and appoints the attorney general, the FBI director and other law enforcement officials. In choosing those officials he can establish broad policy priorities. But presidents of both parties have recognized that they aren’t free to politicize criminal investigations." ...
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Loathe as I am to defend Billy-boy Clinton, politicized criminal investigations are nothing new, à la Ken Starr. Pretending like Trump was talking about some horrific novelty ignores history.
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It is much like separation of Church and State, the lines are constantly being blurred by the conservatives and alt-right of the country.
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The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
And yet, these assholes are circumventing the established, sacred rules of freedom set forth in the Constitution. WTF is going on. I thought Americans respected the document that made our country great. Hell, that made our country.
There's supposed to be separation between the DOJ and FBI and the president. Otherwise we have a DICTATORSHIP. He can order to jail those who don't agree with him, and that isn't FAKE.
SGG
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Los Angeles Times Editorial:
No, Mr. President, it's not sad that you can't dictate to the Justice Department
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-trump-justice-20171104
-story.html
... "The president is the head of the executive branch and appoints the attorney general, the FBI director and other law enforcement officials. In choosing those officials he can establish broad policy priorities. But presidents of both parties have recognized that they aren’t free to politicize criminal investigations." ...
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"And yet, these assholes are circumventing the established, sacred rules of freedom set forth in the Constitution. WTF is going on.'
You mean like how Obama was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'freedom from search and seizure' by funding the NSA to intercept and record all internet communications? Or how he was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law' with his drone strikes targeting Americans?
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Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"And yet, these assholes are circumventing the established, sacred rules of freedom set forth in the Constitution. WTF is going on.'
You mean like how Obama was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'freedom from search and seizure' by funding the NSA to intercept and record all internet communications? Or how he was circumventing the established, sacred rule of 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law' with his drone strikes targeting Americans?
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
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The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-other-huge-scandal-mueller
-brought-to-light-this-week/2017/11/01/5e05a458-bf4c-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.9a879615a687&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
Opinions
The other huge scandal Mueller brought to light this week
"Robert Mueller brought to light a huge scandal this week, and
it has nothing to do with Russia.
"He has introduced the world to Sam Clovis.
"Clovis, we now know, was the Trump campaign official who oversaw
George Papadopoulos and encouraged his efforts to meet with
Russian officials. But what’s more interesting than what Clovis is
is what Clovis isn’t."
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Ha, ha.......you're funny............looking
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
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Okay Keeks, this is what I'm talking about. I was going to let this go, but no.
Although not as bad as in the recent past, why do you feel the need to insult people within your response?
Not needed or appreciated. Now, I could have answered in a much more robust manner, but no....I choose to answer in this manner...I await your response...
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
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Quote:bump so I can find this. 1Nov 0405.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.
Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.
Could you translate the above into English, or Americanism? I left my decoder ring in my other jacket.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Then the line would have said "I'll show you Trump's idea of fairness and charity" which would have negated confusion and disagreement from false interjection. But Second's idea of fairness and balance is to try to have Republicans represented by despicable lifelong Libtard Democrats of New York City.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think it's much simpler than that.
He representing himself...the Trump brand. He's on his side.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Still being that whackadoodle who proclaims that lifelong Liberal Democrat Trump is really representing Republicans, instead of the New York Liberal Democrap he really is most akin to?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I will show you Republicans' idea of "fairness" and "charity":
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.
I hate charity, yanno that?
Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?
So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)
www.forbes.com/sites/dan
alexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6864a59f6b4a
Don't gobble down the red herrings, SGG.
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Quote:Veterans should not be forced to travel to a separate faraway landmass to get VA care.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I've been an escapist* all my life.
When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.
When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.
My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.
Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?
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As I recall, most of the Puerto Ricans I saw in the Corps were female. But I wasn't really the type to classify much, so there could have been a ton of guys as well.
I noticed more Canadians in the Marines compared to other branches, and the Philippinos went the Navy way.
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The Puerto Ricans that I have met over the years served in the Army, although I did meet 2 Marines recently. One guy is a mean old SOB, a hard Republican and racist as all get-out, especially against Black Cubans. The other is a real Jarhead, but a decent enough fellow. He's about 6' 3" and about 240 lbs. and he doesn't look Hispanic, at all. I thought he was white.
Just sayin'
SGG
Quote:Veterans should not be forced to travel to a separate faraway landmass to get VA care.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I've been an escapist* all my life.
When I read the stuff some of you post, what's happening,
the details & how's & why's of it, it sorta boggles my
mind. Otoh, I know that if you like a topic, learning
about it is much easier.
When I post something stupid, I'm not trolling; I'm just
confused.
My friend in PR knows all this stuff. I wish he'd come
home & explain some of it to me. But he can hardly afford
the USA anymore, & he needs the nice VA hospital that PR
has.
Shiny, why'd we even put a VA hospital in Puerto Rico?
It is because we have so many veterans there?
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As I recall, most of the Puerto Ricans I saw in the Corps were female. But I wasn't really the type to classify much, so there could have been a ton of guys as well.
I noticed more Canadians in the Marines compared to other branches, and the Philippinos went the Navy way.
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Ooops!
Wrong hole!
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ooops!
Wrong hole!
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
???
You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?
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Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html
"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."
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OMFG, soooo funny!
I will be nice and not say which hole I was referring to. It happens sometimes when we're a bit anxious, if you know what I mean. Bears and Moose would know, especially in the Springtime - The Call of the Wild!
SGG
Quote:???
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ooops!
Wrong hole!
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?
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I would think that the Bush family would have a table setting for Trump at the next family picnic. Stands to reason since he was so gracious to Jeb during the 2016 Campaign season.
"Remember to drink from the chalice with a picture of a palace." Poppa Bush was heard saying, "you dumb muthafucker" he muttered.
Ahhh, such goings on.
SGG
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html
"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."
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I might like to talk about Bible Thumper & Armageddon in a topic like "How Crazy is the GOP?"
Instead, before I came here today, I read about Robert Mueller's work.
He is investigating & filing charges against Trump political associates.
Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand.
You know, I was re-reading your post (above) and it hit me rather sudden-like:
"Been a-political all my life, so it's hard to understand."
I was just wondering. You claim to be a-political (one word, by the way - apolitical) but you yourself state you try to steer clear of politics in other posts you've made. So posting comments here is like running out into the middle of traffic on the "political expressway" - so, as far as I see, you are political. Even if you just "clip" news items from the internet to post here.
Just sayin'
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html
"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."
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SGG: "- so, as far as I see, you are political. Even if you just "clip" news items from the internet to post here.
Just sayin'"
People here mostly talk about politics.
When I do, it's my way of trying to join in ... & to a lesser extent,
take some responsibility as a citizen of the USA.
I probably learned most of what I know about it from reading what y'all say.
Sometimes I start threads that are non-political, like "Coffee - Cheers!"
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
OMFG, soooo funny!
I will be nice and not say which hole I was referring to. It happens sometimes when we're a bit anxious, if you know what I mean. Bears and Moose would know, especially in the Springtime - The Call of the Wild!
SGGQuote:???
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ooops!
Wrong hole!
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That echo in your empty head must be really bad tonight.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Drone Strikes!? Search and Seizure!?
You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html
"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."
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These truly are dark days in this country. Despair has led many to clime on board with the nuts in order to scream collectively at Washington. I have faith though we will clean it up. Hopefully the damaged Trump has done, by way of being out maneuvered by every other world leader, won't take to long to fix.
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You have an echo in your bunghole?
Cavity searching?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Simple, I was replying to Sixpack's stupid remark.
SGG
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These truly are dark days in this country. Despair has led many to clime on board with the nuts in order to scream collectively at Washington. I have faith though we will clean it up. Hopefully the damaged Trump has done, by way of being out maneuvered by every other world leader, won't take to long to fix.
I agree. This country is being led by the nose to a disastrous stretch of anti-democratic existence. Trump and company are slowly dismantling of democracy and both we, the people and Congress are standing there watching from the sidelines.
We gotta mobilize and get these fuckers off their collective asses and do something before it's too late. While we're busy watching what the left hand is doing, the Trump administration (and TPTB) are slowly defusing what we have become complacent with all these many years with the right hand, namely our way of life here in America. Our institutions are being demolished right before our eyes and that, along with us regular Joes, is the fabric of what makes us the United States. We are vulnerable right this minute, but it's not too late yet. We were able to reject the total destruction of Obamacare, which is key for affordable care for millions across this country; and now we must do the same for this proposed new Tax Bill.
Also, take a look at what Trump is doing to destroy the judicial system. He's handpicking unqualified dolts to lifetime seats in the federal system. Don't be fooled, write, tweet, email and call your Congress member and all representatives. We must demand impeachment now.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Both Bush Presidents Worry Trump Is Blowing Up the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/bush-president-book-tru
mp.html
"WASHINGTON — President Trump is not a favorite in the extended Bush
household. Former President George Bush considers him a “blowhard,”
only interested in feeding his own ego. Former President George W.
Bush, his son, thinks Mr. Trump fans public anger and came to office
without any understanding of the job. ..."
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These truly are dark days in this country. Despair has led many to clime on board with the nuts in order to scream collectively at Washington. I have faith though we will clean it up. Hopefully the damaged Trump has done, by way of being out maneuvered by every other world leader, won't take to long to fix.
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Understood. I will say no more on the subject.
SGG
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
SGG: "- so, as far as I see, you are political. Even if you just "clip" news items from the internet to post here.
Just sayin'"
People here mostly talk about politics.
When I do, it's my way of trying to join in ... & to a lesser extent,
take some responsibility as a citizen of the USA.
I probably learned most of what I know about it from reading what y'all say.
Sometimes I start threads that are non-political, like "Coffee - Cheers!"
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