Draining The Swamp
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Quote:What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn’t matter?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just go check out his posts. He says it, over and over: Americans are stupid. And you're American, right?
I just decided to stop defending "Americans" from SECOND's amply-displayed disgust!
Different polls find different things, and it’s always difficult to distinguish what people really believe from what they say on surveys. But if 30 percent of America’s 200 million registered voters are Republicans, and 40 percent of those don’t believe Obama was born in the US, well, that’s 24 million people, among them the most active participants in Republican politics.
In short, an increasingly large chunk of Americans believes a whole bunch of crazy things, and it is warping our politics. More examples of crazy things here: www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-c
risis
This basic story has been told plenty of times, but the reason we should not let it out of our sights right now is the Mueller investigation. We are disturbingly close to the following scenario:
Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.
They might say Mueller is compromised. It’s a Hillary/”deep state” plot. There’s nothing wrong with colluding with Russia in this particular way. Dems did it first. All of the above. Whatever.
Say the entire right-wing media machine kicks to life and dismisses the whole thing as a scam — and conservatives believe them. The conservative base remains committed to Trump, politicians remain scared to cross the base, and US politics remains stuck in partisan paralysis, unable to act on what Mueller discovers.
In short, what if Mueller proves the case and it’s not enough? Do we drown in The Swamp?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Well put Second. This is the scenario that I see coming down the pike. I watched an expert in media and propaganda say something close to your assessment; but he stressed that the Trump Administration is following a familiar pattern of advertising - repeat the message consistently, pound it into the mind of the audience and after a while it will become reality - or some such.
Much like the "Fake News" mantra that is gobbled up by the Trump faithful.
It is the old Jedi Mind Trick.......ad infinitum!
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn’t matter?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just go check out his posts. He says it, over and over: Americans are stupid. And you're American, right?
I just decided to stop defending "Americans" from SECOND's amply-displayed disgust!
Different polls find different things, and it’s always difficult to distinguish what people really believe from what they say on surveys. But if 30 percent of America’s 200 million registered voters are Republicans, and 40 percent of those don’t believe Obama was born in the US, well, that’s 24 million people, among them the most active participants in Republican politics.
In short, an increasingly large chunk of Americans believes a whole bunch of crazy things, and it is warping our politics. More examples of crazy things here: www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-c
risis
This basic story has been told plenty of times, but the reason we should not let it out of our sights right now is the Mueller investigation. We are disturbingly close to the following scenario:
Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.
They might say Mueller is compromised. It’s a Hillary/”deep state” plot. There’s nothing wrong with colluding with Russia in this particular way. Dems did it first. All of the above. Whatever.
Say the entire right-wing media machine kicks to life and dismisses the whole thing as a scam — and conservatives believe them. The conservative base remains committed to Trump, politicians remain scared to cross the base, and US politics remains stuck in partisan paralysis, unable to act on what Mueller discovers.
In short, what if Mueller proves the case and it’s not enough? Do we drown in The Swamp?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Well Siggy, since you often twist the meaning of things people post, I will check it.
Actually, I'm an alien.....Kryptonian to be exact.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Well, that's what SECOND has been saying, in essence, even if not using that phrase.
Mental marshmallows!? Where'd you get that.- DULL
Just go check out his posts. He says it, over and over: Americans are stupid. And you're American, right?
I just decided to stop defending "Americans" from SECOND's amply-displayed disgust!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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An interesting interview about the swamp, economics and other issues
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And interesting interview about the swamp, economics and other issues
Not if you posted it comrade. Try cleaning up your corrupt Russia. It needs draining so much more. Stop criticizing America and Americans. We'll police our own if you don't mind.
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Quote:Ha ha. You represent everything that SECOND criticizes about Americans: willfully ignorant, intellectually flabby, and completely propagandized. You refuse to recognize corruption when it stares you in the face, so what makes me think you're capable of "cleaning it up" anywhere?
And interesting interview about the swamp, economics and other issues- SIGNY
Not if you posted it comrade. Try cleaning up your corrupt Russia. It needs draining so much more. Stop criticizing America and Americans. We'll police our own if you don't mind. - THUGR
Why don't you clean up your own morals first? Because as far as I can tell you're pretty damn corrupt yourself.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Ha ha. You represent everything that SECOND criticizes about Americans: willfully ignorant, intellectually flabby, and completely propagandized. You refuse to recognize corruption when it stares you in the face, so what makes me think you're capable of "cleaning it up" anywhere?
And interesting interview about the swamp, economics and other issues- SIGNY
Not if you posted it comrade. Try cleaning up your corrupt Russia. It needs draining so much more. Stop criticizing America and Americans. We'll police our own if you don't mind. - THUGR
Why don't you clean up your own morals first? Because as far as I can tell you're pretty damn corrupt yourself.
A sip-up comrade. Over the years you've had many. Nothing in your post suggests you are American. Only that you hate Americans and are not one.
As for corruption, Russia is so corrupt it functions more like the mob than a country. So don't make me laugh so hard I piss myself by comparing us in any way with you.
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Once again, THUGR fails reading comprehension. I didn't say that I "hate" Americans, I said that SECOND did. Just re-read SECOND's posts: Disdain for "Americans" drips from many of them, along with its corollary - disdain for the results of a democratic process.
And I don't "hate" Americans in general. OTOH, I find YOU, personally and specifically, disgusting.
And stupid. Really, really stupid, Willfully so. Anyone who can imagine that I'm a "Russian troll" when I've been posting here since 2002 ... well, that certainly speaks to why you've been so propagandized. When does common sense ever kick in for you? Never?
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Now you're just a bore. It's your actions that count. And they scream Russian troll. Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Once again, THUGR fails reading comprehension. I didn't say that I "hate" Americans, I said that SECOND did. Just re-read SECOND's posts: Disdain for "Americans" drips from many of them, along with its corollary - disdain for the results of a democratic process.
And I don't "hate" Americans in general. OTOH, I find YOU, personally and specifically, disgusting.
And stupid. Really, really stupid, Willfully so. Anyone who can imagine that I'm a "Russian troll" when I've been posting here since 2002 ... well, that certainly speaks to why you've been so propagandized. When does common sense ever kick in for you? Never?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Oh, you mean excluding my ACTIONS here in 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? No explanation for those?
Now you're just a bore. It's your actions that count.
That's your problem .... you're way too selective in the information that you absorb. You ignore everything that argues against your POV, even if it's irrefutable. Consequently, you'll never learn. Like I said: willfully ignorant.
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Pity would be no more,
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