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Puerto Rico - U.S. Virgin Islands

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Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:23 PM

It amazes me that "our" dickhead president is off in a corner somewhere tweeting about football players, when there is a humanitarian crisis happening right before our very eyes...

and to make matters worse, they are American citizens in dire need of assistance. A disgustingly poor response from our Asshole-in-Chief to the
crisis in both Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. But most emphatically, the crisis in Puerto Rico - an island that took on the evacuees from the Virgin Islands; a U.S. Commonwealth that did the neighborly thing and responded in the American way, by extending a hand to someone in need.

Yet, here we are.

Two people have died in a hospital; and this stupid motherfucker is tweeting about a protest. Where are this man's brains? These folks are American citizens, who's home has been devastated. Governor Cuomo did a
flyover in a helicopter, and where's Trump?...he's at home washing his toupee.


SGG

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Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:57 PM

I dunno, Shiney.

I tried to tell 'em in the Irma thread, but like most folks & our
so-called PotUS ... no one seems to get it:
Puerto Rico is a US protectorate; its inhabitants are US citizens
eventhough they don't live in the 50 states & mostly speak Spanish.
We are treating it like a Red-haired Stepchild.

The place has been neglected & impoverished for years, but many say
It has nothing to do with us.

I've also read that a couple of Navy ships have gone there to help.
What's needed is a fleet of freighters with emergency supplies.

The storm hit 'em a week ago. Help is overdue.


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Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I dunno, Shiney.

I tried to tell 'em in the Irma thread, but like most folks & our
so-called PotUS ... no one seems to get it:
Puerto Rico is a US protectorate; its inhabitants are US citizens
eventhough they don't live in the 50 states & mostly speak Spanish.
We are treating it like a Red-haired Stepchild.

The place has been neglected & impoverished for years, but many say
It has nothing to do with us.

I've also read that a couple of Navy ships have gone there to help.
What's needed is a fleet of freighters with emergency supplies.

The storm hit 'em a week ago. Help is overdue.


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When hurricanes hit Texas, Louisiana, and Florida, Trump was there. But those states send Republican Congressmen to vote for Trump's plans, Congressmen who would be deeply offended if Trump did not help them out, Congressmen who would take revenge on Trump. Puerto Rico doesn't have a voting Congressman, which makes it, and its people, useless to Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:26 PM

"Where's the Clinton Foundation when you need it?" ~Puerto Rico, Sept 2017

"Where's the Clinton Foundation when you need it?" ~Haiti, circa 2010-2017

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
"Where's the Clinton Foundation when you need it?" ~Puerto Rico, Sept 2017

"Where's the Clinton Foundation when you need it?" ~Haiti, circa 2010-2017

Don't you mean the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? With an income of 53 billion USD (2010), it could do more than The Clinton Foundation with an income of 142.8 million USD (2010). But the U.S.A. with an income of 18.75 trillion dollars could do more, as could China with 21.37 trillion dollars. If his Chief of Staff can't push him hard enough and Trump sits on his hands long enough, China might just come to the aid of Puerto Rico.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:36 AM

Sure. Where's the Gates too? Where's Warren Buffet?


Yanno. There are a lot of people on the ground that are doing whatever they can to help out in this situation. The entire island was devastated. It's a tragedy of immense proprotions that isn't going to be fixed overnight. The only way to really get any meaningful aid right now is by barge, so until we invent warp drives for ships or teleportation devices this isn't going to be solved right away.

You people act as if nothing is being done.

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:15 AM

Incomplete Wiki notes:
"In 1898, following the Spanish–American War, the United States acquired Puerto Rico along with other Spanish colonies under the terms of the Treaty of Paris.
As a U.S. territory, American citizens residing on the island are disenfranchised at the national level and do not vote for president and vice president of the United States. Congress approved a local constitution, allowing U.S. citizens on the territory to elect a governor. A 2012 referendum showed a majority (54% of those who voted) disagreed with "the present form of territorial status", with full statehood the preferred option among those who voted for a change of status, although a significant number of people did not answer the second question of the referendum.
Another fifth referendum was held on June 11, 2017, with "Statehood" and "Independence/Free Association" initially as the only available choices. At the recommendation of the Department of Justice, an option for the "current territorial status" was added. The referendum showed an overwhelming support for statehood, with 97.18% voting for it, although the voter turnout had a historically low figure of only 22.99% of the registered voters casting their ballots."
In early 2017, the Puerto Rican government-debt crisis posed serious problems for the government. The outstanding bond debt had climbed to $70 billion at a time with 12.4% unemployment. ... By early August 2017, the debt was $72 billion with a 45% poverty rate.

    In 1947, the U.S. granted Puerto Ricans the right to democratically elect their own governor.
Hmmm. In 1950, there was a three-day revolt against the United States.
The Constitution of Puerto Rico was approved by a Constitutional Convention on February 6, 1952, and 82% of the voters in a March referendum.
During the 1950s and 1960s, Puerto Rico experienced rapid industrialization, due in large part to Operación Manos a la Obra ("Operation Bootstrap"), an offshoot of FDR's New Deal. It was intended to transform Puerto Rico's economy from agriculture-based to manufacturing-based to provide more jobs. Puerto Rico has become a major tourist destination, as well as a global center for pharmaceutical manufacturing.

Four plebiscites have been held since the late 20th century to resolve the political status. The 2012 referendum showed a majority (54% of the voters) in favor of a change in status, with full statehood the preferred option of those who wanted a change. Because there were almost 500,000 blank ballots in the 2012 referendum, creating confusion as to the voters' true desire, Congress decided to ignore the vote.

Yes, statehood has been considered, even voted on earlier this year.
I'm skipping that as this note is already too long for me to read.
It's also pretty confusing, as if "they" keep discussing PR's status
& what it should become, yet it remains in legal limbo.


Former Governor Aníbal Acevedo Vilá (2005–2009) is convinced that statehood is not the solution for either the U.S. or for Puerto Rico "for economic, identity and cultural reasons". He pointed out that voter turnout for the 2017 referendum was extremely low, and suggests that a different type of mutually-beneficial relationship should be found.
Governor Ricardo Rosselló is strongly in favor of statehood to help develop the economy and help to "solve our 500-year-old colonial dilemma ... Colonialism is not an option .... It’s a civil rights issue ... 3.5 million citizens seeking an absolute democracy," he told the news media. Benefits of statehood include an additional $10 billion per year in federal funds, the right to vote in presidential elections, higher Social Security and Medicare benefits, and a right for its government agencies and municipalities to file for bankruptcy. The latter is currently prohibited.
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Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:13 AM


12 ways we can get Trump to focus his attention on Puerto Rico
https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-ways-trump-focus-attention-193252599.htm
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Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I dunno, Shiney.

I tried to tell 'em in the Irma thread, but like most folks & our
so-called PotUS ... no one seems to get it:
Puerto Rico is a US protectorate;




Not knocking you here Oon, but...if you didn't know anyone there, would you still have posted on it?

I don't know anyone who has ever been there, and something tells me they wouldn't care if America gets wiped off the map. From what I hear, the people don't want to be a state of the US, it's their politicians that do and only because they think it'll fix things easy. But, that's just what I gathered from comments the last time P.R. was brought up in the news a few years ago. I'm sure they wanna be a state NOW that they are in deep kimchi.

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:55 AM

Yup.

And I don't believe the stat that 50% of people knew what P.R.'s status was anyway. That number is a thinly veiled knock on the half of the country that voted for Trump, obviously.

Now everybody is an "expert" on P.R.'s status, when a few weeks ago nobody knew or gave a shit.

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