Irma
POSTED BY: Wishimay
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 08:28
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Just starting a thread, in case Irma turns out to be unholy disaster I think it could be.
The irony here is that I have a close relative named Irma. It's entirely fitting a she gets a hurricane named after her 
I also have a dozen relatives that live south of Tampa. The two relatives I had in Texas had no problems with Harvey.
This is the thread for the last time a hurricane headed towards Florida(Matthew), which was October 2016.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60892&mid=1
017422#1017422
The southeastern United States was then hit hard by Hurricane Matthew as it moved very close to the coasts of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. Matthew made one official U.S. landfall on Oct. 8 southeast of McClellanville, South Carolina, as a Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds.
In total, the storm has killed 23 people in the US, including 6 in Florida, 4 in Georgia, 2 in South Carolina, and 10 in North Carolina, and 1 in Virginia. At least five people were missing in North Carolina's Cumberland County as of October 10.
5 billion in damages so far.
It will be interesting to note the differences in a Cat 1 and a Cat 5, if she stays a 5. They were saying she could be the first to make a Cat 6, but I haven't heard anything about that since then. The winds that took off our roof in 2012 were 110 MPH winds. 150 is mind boggling.
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So far, she has shifted to a western path, which is a very odd one. There has only been a couple that have done it that way. Not that it couldn't swerve back east when it hits the islands, but I think Canada is safe on this one.
It looks like probably West Florida or the panhandle, maybe Alabama or Mississippi at this vague point. Unfortunately, there is another forming
where Irma did and they have already named it Jose.
BTW, The last Category 5 storm to make landfall in the Florida Keys was the Labor Day hurricane of 1935. Labor day is pretty close on this mark. Similar track too...
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Here's how Cat2 and higher storms have moved around Florida
Here's how all Cat 5 storms have tracked from 1851-2014
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Quote:2 Category 5 Hurricanes through Chicago. Wow.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Here's how all Cat 5 storms have tracked from 1851-2014
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Thanks. Those are very interesting posts!
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:That's an interesting take - I think those two downgraded after landfall. As you track along a path you see the dots change color. Red seems to be category 5. I'm not sure what blue is, but a lot of them turn blue then disappear.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
2 Category 5 Hurricanes through Chicago. Wow.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:On July 4, 1977 I watched 10 foot waves on a small inland lake, trees bent horizontal and uprooted, and nearly every road in all neighboring counties blocked by trees. It took 14 days of cutting a path thru the roads to get to a paved road - paved county roads were still only cleared in sections, depending on where the nearest chainsaw or tractor was, all travel was by boat for weeks. Not many working phones either. This was north central Wisconsin.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That's an interesting take - I think those two downgraded after landfall. As you track along a path you see the dots change color. Red seems to be category 5. I'm not sure what blue is, but a lot of them turn blue then disappear.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
2 Category 5 Hurricanes through Chicago. Wow.
Nobody knew what it was that most of us survived. Everybody said it couldn't be a hurricane because they don't exist in WI. But that was the closest description anybody could think of. They ended up calling it a Downburst. Windspeed monitors that where only good for 185mph recorded those speeds before being ripped apart. It was also sudden, without any warning other than rain forecast. Less than 30 minutes from raining enough to go inside from the porch to a huge tree falling on the house we were in. It wreaked havoc on the forests for about a couple hundred mile swath.
That map shows that the Great Lakes are not as impervious to Hurricanes as I had been led to believe.
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Folks are realizing that once a hurricane makes landfall and is no longer drawing energy from the open water, it's basically no longer a hurricane, right ? Those tracks up to Canada aren't of hurricanes, but of their remains, aka tropical depressions and the like.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Folks are realizing that once a hurricane makes landfall and is no longer drawing energy from the open water, it's basically no longer a hurricane, right ? Those tracks up to Canada aren't of hurricanes, but of their remains, aka tropical depressions and the like.
Thanks for clearing that up. I think people were seeing those lines and had visions of 10 foot waves all the way up into the middle of Canada. lol
What has CGI in movies done to us?
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It doesn't require a hurricane to be devastating, as JSF posted. There's plenty of devastating weather aside from that: blizzards and (something that Buffalo is heir to) lake effect snow which dump 10+ft in a few days; ice storms that take down the entire power grid - everything from high-tension lines to the lines that come to you home; downbursts (which can be just as bad as tornadoes, and are often mistaken for them); tornadoes; downpours and flash floods; endless searing drought; life-sucking heat waves ...
Yep, mother nature sure loves to toss us curveballs!
BTW, one big gap in reporting ... if you've been following Irma's expected path, there is one place that they never talk about, even tho the hurricane is expected to rake that island almost down its entire length, and that's Cuba. Just as you won't read about that projected path, you won't read about damage or recovery there, either.
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Price gougeathon has begun.
https://frontier.yahoo.com/finance/news/travelers-complain-steep-airfa
res-try-escape-hurricane-irmas-path-224013499.html
“I’m seeing the direct hit on Florida. My daughter is down at the University of Miami, so I called her and said, ‘I’m going to bring you home. If worst comes to worst, we waste money, and you don’t come home, and this thing misses you, and everything is fine.’ I logged in last night and saw $159.20 to be exact. I said you know what; this ticket is so cheap, I’m just going to buy it.”
The next day, he went back to look for a ticket for his daughter’s roommate, who is also a close family friend’s daughter. Shocked at the price increase, he said he even made sure that he didn’t click first class by accident and he also verified that the flight had pretty much the same number of seats available compared to when he checked last night.
“American Airlines had the audacity to raise the rate $800. I’m sorry. I posted it. You know, I’m angry. I think it’s horrible what they are doing. I just think it’s horrible. I’ll leave it at that.”
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Quote:But, yep, this is all "normal variation", according to climate-shift deniers. Just expect to see historic and even geologic records broken for a long time to come, not just here but everywhere, and not just with hurricanes but blizzards and droughts. In CA we just had a drought the likes of which haven't been seen in 1500 years, followed by the rainiest year on record. Houston just had a "1000-year" flood. BC is burning like never before in history.
6 Reasons Why Hurricane Irma Could Be "The Natural Disaster Of Our Time"
Hurricane Harvey was a tragic nightmare that hit the Texas shores with force and then lingered for days, dumping truck-loads of rain on a city ill-equipped to handle it. Florida is next, and if predictions are accurate, Hurricane Irma is going to be far worse than Houston was, and worse than anyone has prepared for.
Already, Irma is setting records and being named the strongest storm the Atlantic Ocean has seen on record.
Quote:Finally, we did. 90% of Barbuda infrastructure is destroyed.
Here is a short list of things meteorologists and experts at the Hurricane Center have already seen from Irma that should give everyone pause.
1. The wind speeds broke the measuring tool.
The wind was so strong when Irma passed over Barbuda that the monitoring equipment used to measure the wind was damaged and couldn’t report an accurate account of the wind speed. It tapped out at 151 mph.
2. The prospect of 185mph wind should strike fear into our hearts.
The gusts for the Category 5 storm have reached 185 mph. That’s the equivalent of an EF4 tornado sitting on an area, nonstop for hours. To put that into perspective, the photo below is of the damage sustained by residents of Garland/Rowlett, Texas after an EF4 tornado blew through in 2015..
To make matters worse, NOAA’s tools dropped into the hurricane to measure the storm and recorded 226mph gusts from its northeast eyewall.
7:15 PM - Whoa. Dropsonde in NE eyewall 196 knot winds just 19mb above the surface, 167 knot winds in lowest reported level. #Irma pic.twitter.com/rB31sZf61B — Alex Lamers (@AlexJLamers) September 5, 2017
3. No one has heard from the tiny island it hit in hours.
Quote:IF true: Holy cripe!
Barbuda is a tiny island with barely over 1,000 residents. The top elevation on the island is 125 feet above sea level. Storm surges, however, predict waves will reach seven to 11 feet in the Northern Leeward Islands. That was worse for Turks and Caicos, which is expected to see 15- to 20-foot storm surges. As long as the surges are under 10 feet, Barbuda will be fine, but storm surges like those expected for Turks and Caicos would destroy the island.
Already, what scientists have seen from Barbuda is leaving them speechless. Tide sensors in Barbuda recently reported 7.89 feet above what the average height of the top tide is each day.
I am at a complete and utter loss for words looking at Irma's appearance on satellite imagery. pic.twitter.com/B0ewFyvcSv — Taylor Trogdon (@TTrogdon) September 5, 2017
4. Irma ripped grass from its roots.
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CNN meteorologist Chad Myers reported that there were parts of Bermuda that saw vegetation ripped from the soil, the winds were so strong. The claim hasn’t been reported by other outlets and there are no photos or video yet that show the full extent of the damage.
5. Miami isn’t prepared — no one is.
Florida is as good as it gets at handling hurricanes, similar to states that are accustomed to navigating tornadoes or weathering earthquakes. Florida citizens know how to prepare for a storm. However, the strength of Irma seems to dwarf more recent hurricanes.
Already, the city of Miami is being forced to raise its roads to accommodate rising waters creeping into the city. A report from The Atlantic notes that the last major hurricane to hit Miami was in 1926 and 400 peopNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
IIRC the Statewide average elevation for Florida is 2ft above sea level. Second only to Delaware for flatness.
Storm surge for Harvey was reported as 12 feet.
For draining away 51 inches, there doesn't seem to be much slope in Fla.
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Blub blub!
Well, nearly every place in the USA is subject to one kind of disaster or another- if it isn't hurricanes its droughts or blizzards or earthquakes (not just CA - the entire western coast. And even KANSAS, NOW WITH MORE EARTHQUAKES!!)
The only two places I can find that don't have some clearly anticipated hazard are ... well, heck, I might want to move there, may as well not start a rush!
But seeing as I moved from Buffalo to earthquake-country, I can hardly afford to be smug about people developing in hazardous areas. I think we all just need to pitch in, and possibly demand that aid be accompanied by hazard-mitigation action.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:But, yep, this is all "normal variation", according to climate-shift deniers. Just expect to see historic and even geologic records broken for a long time to come, not just here but everywhere, and not just with hurricanes but blizzards and droughts. In CA we just had a drought the likes of which haven't been seen in 1500 years, followed by the rainiest year on record. Houston just had a "1000-year" flood. BC is burning like never before in history.
6 Reasons Why Hurricane Irma Could Be "The Natural Disaster Of Our Time"
Hurricane Harvey was a tragic nightmare that hit the Texas shores with force and then lingered for days, dumping truck-loads of rain on a city ill-equipped to handle it. Florida is next, and if predictions are accurate, Hurricane Irma is going to be far worse than Houston was, and worse than anyone has prepared for.
Already, Irma is setting records and being named the strongest storm the Atlantic Ocean has seen on record.Quote:Finally, we did. 90% of Barbuda infrastructure is destroyed.
Here is a short list of things meteorologists and experts at the Hurricane Center have already seen from Irma that should give everyone pause.
1. The wind speeds broke the measuring tool.
The wind was so strong when Irma passed over Barbuda that the monitoring equipment used to measure the wind was damaged and couldn’t report an accurate account of the wind speed. It tapped out at 151 mph.
2. The prospect of 185mph wind should strike fear into our hearts.
The gusts for the Category 5 storm have reached 185 mph. That’s the equivalent of an EF4 tornado sitting on an area, nonstop for hours.
To make matters worse, NOAA’s tools dropped into the hurricane to measure the storm and recorded 226mph gusts from its northeast eyewall.
7:15 PM - Whoa. Dropsonde in NE eyewall 196 knot winds just 19mb above the surface, 167 knot winds in lowest reported level. #Irma pic.twitter.com/rB31sZf61B — Alex Lamers (@AlexJLamers) September 5, 2017
3. No one has heard from the tiny island it hit in hours.Quote:IF true: Holy cripe!
Barbuda is a tiny island with barely over 1,000 residents. The top elevation on the island is 125 feet above sea level. Storm surges, however, predict waves will reach seven to 11 feet in the Northern Leeward Islands. That was worse for Turks and Caicos, which is expected to see 15- to 20-foot storm surges. As long as the surges are under 10 feet, Barbuda will be fine, but storm surges like those expected for Turks and Caicos would destroy the island.
Already, what scientists have seen from Barbuda is leaving them speechless. Tide sensors in Barbuda recently reported 7.89 feet above what the average height of the top tide is each day.
I am at a complete and utter loss for words looking at Irma's appearance on satellite imagery. pic.twitter.com/B0ewFyvcSv — Taylor Trogdon (@TTrogdon) September 5, 2017
4. Irma ripped grass from its roots.Quote:
CNN meteorologist Chad Myers reported that there were parts of Bermuda that saw vegetation ripped from the soil, the winds were so strong. The claim hasn’t been reported by other outlets and there are no photos or video yet that show the full extent of the damage.
5. Miami isn’t prepared — no one is.
Florida is as good as it gets at handling hurricanes, similar to states that are accustomed to navigating tornadoes or weathering earthquakes. Florida citizens know how to prepare for a storm. However, the strength of Irma seems to dwarf more recent hurricanes.
Already, the city of Miami is being forced to raise its roads to accommodate rising waters creeping into the city. A report from The Atlantic notes that the last major hurricane to hit Miami was in 1926 and 400 people were killed. Back then, the city boasted 100,000 residents, but today the population is more like 6 million.
Disaster planners have long been concerned about a natural event of this magnitude hitting a major U.S. city. If IrmNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
In the Irma track map, what are the lines of solid black and solid red?
I think the red is the median of all the projected possibilities, but in reality, the actual path can't BE projected. All anyone can do is make a good guess.
My idiot brother says he's not leaving. Just built a house last year. He thinks hurricane straps that are only rated to 150 mph will save them. He always was a cocky moron. Did I mention he's cult level religious?
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You should read 'Mother of Storms' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_Storms for an interesting brief on 'how hurricanes work' in a sci-fi book.
From today's CNN: Triple storms: Three hurricanes now in Atlantic basin http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/06/americas/three-hurricanes-atlantic-b
asin/index.html
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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The eye is coming right for us. Gonna get interesting here around noon on Sunday. The fear mongering media hype is off the charts. Oh well, here we go again. Que sera sera.
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So, just as a bit of an intro to myself, growing up in Buffalo - home to wild and crazy weather - my first interest was meteorology. Alas, my local university, State University at Buffalo (SUNYAB) didn't offer a meteorology degree, so I went into Chemistry. (My third love was economics - go figure!) If they had had a Met degree, that's prolly what I would have taken. Maybe even been one of those wild and crazy storm -chasers because ... what's NOT to like when you see clouds boiling and shit happening in the sky???
But I digress.
Here's how hurricanes form. Please be patient, it's a long explanation.
First, one of the problems I had with understanding meteorology is that air doesn't mix quickly. When warm air meets cold air, the warm air doesn't just mix smoothly into the cold air. Instead, when they're propelled by winds (either vertical or horizontal, usually both) they behave like invading and defending armies. Hence, the concept of "warm fronts" or "cold fronts" or "air masses". Keep that in mind, I'll refer to it.
Also, warm air rises, as anyone who has used a chimney knows.
It takes a LOT of energy (heat) to evaporate water, to propel each water molecule out of the liquid phase into the gas phase. As a corollary, water-vapor saturated air contains a lot of latent (stored) heat.
If, for some reason, warm water-vapor laden air rises, it cools. As it cools, water condenses out into small droplets, which form clouds. As water condenses out, it releases its heat. Which warms the air. Which causes the air to rise more. Which cools, condenses MORE moisture, and releases even more heat. This process continues, until NO MORE MOISTURE can be wrung out of the air mass. When that stops happening, you've reached the top of the cloud. The taller the cloud, the more heat has been stored - and released - from the air mass. This air mass doesn't just fluidly mix in with the air around it, it behaves like a vapor bubble in a boiling pot of water. It's the same kind of heat-driven phenomenon as a firestorm, but firestorms don't have as much water-vapor component. (Although pyrocumulus also form over fires, due to extreme heat and evaporated moisture) 
So when you have air that is both significantly warmer and more moisture-laden than air surrounding it, it's called an "unstable" air mass ... unstable because, once it starts rising it doesn't stop until it runs out of water vapor.
With hurricanes (which form over warm ocean areas) the rising air starts acting like a chimney - it sucks in more warm, moist air from the surrounding area, pulling in more and more moisture from a larger and larger area, which lofts higher and higher into the sky. Because of the earth's rotation, the inflowing air masses don't move in a straight line, they spin, giving hurricanes a swirled appearance.
It sounds like a self-feeding process, and indeed it is a positive feedback, but there are other processes which stop hurricane formation.
The most important one is "wind shear". What wind shear means is that, at a certain altitude, the wind suddenly changes direction. When a hurricane encounters wind shear, it's like the top of the hurricane gets knocked off and blown apart: moisture and heat are removed and the upwards vertical force is depleted.
https://www.wunderground.com/education/shear.asp
The other major factor is landfall. Since hurricanes derive their energy from warm (sometimes HOT!) water, once they move over land, they're deprived of their big energy source and peter out.
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The eye is coming right for us. Gonna get interesting here around noon on Sunday. The fear mongering media hype is off the charts. Oh well, here we go again. Que sera sera.- RIVERLOVE
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Folks are realizing that once a hurricane makes landfall and is no longer drawing energy from the open water, it's basically no longer a hurricane, right ? Those tracks up to Canada aren't of hurricanes, but of their remains, aka tropical depressions and the like.
Yes, but they still dump a hell of a lot of water and the wind still does a hell of a lot of damage.
You got that right about the wind!! Opal ( '95 ) came right up from the Gulf and plowed over ATL. I've never seen so many large trees toppled, across a large area. I've seen tornadoes clear out parts of neighborhoods, but power lines and trees were down all over the place ... it was crazy.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:Heard news that Miami Beach residents were ordered to leave. Storm surge of 10 feet there.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:You got that right about the wind!! Opal ( '95 ) came right up from the Gulf and plowed over ATL. I've never seen so many large trees toppled, across a large area. I've seen tornadoes clear out parts of neighborhoods, but power lines and trees were down all over the place ... it was crazy.
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:Yes, but they still dump a hell of a lot of water and the wind still does a hell of a lot of damage.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Folks are realizing that once a hurricane makes landfall and is no longer drawing energy from the open water, it's basically no longer a hurricane, right ? Those tracks up to Canada aren't of hurricanes, but of their remains, aka tropical depressions and the like.
Elevation of Miami Beach is listed as 4 ft. Miami listed as 6 ft above sea level.
Heard Home Depot customers killing each other for plywood - not sure if exaggeration. Nobody can buy plywood when it's on sale? You know you're going to need it, it's Florida.
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Delta plane flies through Irma.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-jet-made-miraculous-escape-223
022510.html
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Qpj0wKVMVciPMKoDqPh01w--/YXBwaWQ9aGl
naGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NjUwO2g9NDg4/http://globalfinance.zenfs.com/en_us/Finance/US_AFTP_SILICONALLEY_H_LIVE/A_Delta_jet_made_a-9e03396eb9e5a7f873dedd26aea9ef82
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Hey, I bet they don't do too many of THESE. Notice that the door blows open first before the house blows away.
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News just said Irma will be down to Cat 4 before landfall, then will stay up the center of Florida.
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Well, that's good news! Cat 4 is more survivable than Cat 5.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, I bet they don't do too many of THESE. Notice that the door blows open first before the house blows away.
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Seems opening the door turns the house into a big old paper bag, and the wind just blows it off its foundation.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Latest predicted course has it running right into FL and then traveling up the entire state, and headed right towards ATL.
I guess the good news is that it's only gonna be a Cat 4 storm when it hits FL, and then lots of energy will be lost as it moves up the state , over land.
Unless it pushes even further west, and gets back over into the Gulf.
Yikes.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
News just said Irma will be down to Cat 4 before landfall, then will stay up the center of Florida.
It's only a few MPH shy of still being a five and the water off Florida is unseasonably warm right now. Last week my aunt said that the heat index was 102.
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Well, no doubt there's going to be hell to pay all up and down FL, and Atlanta also looks to take a direct hit, altho by then Irma won't be catastrophic, merely damaging.
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The storm surge in some areas is expected to be higher than the average residential rooftop.
One lesson from Katrina - keep an ax and several LED flashlights handy. When you've stood on your sofa, and then crawled into the attic space, and the water keeps rising, you might need to chop a hole in the roof to escape. Assuming, of course that the roof is still in one piece.
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Where is the Jose thread?
Heard Jose is going to wreak havoc on the Keys.
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Quote:The graph I saw showed it down to Cat 3 before getting out of Fla.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Latest predicted course has it running right into FL and then traveling up the entire state, and headed right towards ATL.
I guess the good news is that it's only gonna be a Cat 4 storm when it hits FL, and then lots of energy will be lost as it moves up the state , over land.
Unless it pushes even further west, and gets back over into the Gulf.
Yikes.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Where is the Jose thread?
Heard Jose is going to wreak havoc on the Keys.
Jose is supposed to head to the mid-Atlantic, but we'll see. Might interrupt shipping...
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I've been telling people all week that I thought this one was going around to west Fla like 1935, and now they say it is. My bro texted me that he left this morning, finally. And that he was heading towards Orlando, which I hear is a parking lot. The farmers here are mowing the corn down at a furious pace, in case the rain heads this way. I've never seen them mow it still partially green before. Going to be a bad weedy sneezy spring.
Came home to a woman in my driveway putting signs in people's yards trying to get them to sign a petition to keep from zoning us.
"They'll make us put in sewer!"
-Ok, some people here need to do that anyway. Poop regulation is a good thing...
"They can build big buildings everywhere"
-It's so they can put in a gas station. These idiots are fighting against gas stations. That this area DESPERATELY NEEDS.
"They'll take away farmland!"
-Wow, a few acres? SO what.
Then, the big argue...
"I DON'T WANT DAMN FERRENERS HERE"
Hubby is wearing his work shirt, keep in mind he works for a notorious foreign company... He points to the logo and says "You mean, like these guys?"
I swear, the thought that this was a foreign owned company never crossed her pea brain. I actually saw the thought cross her mind from one side to the other...
"Oh... yeah....my son works there..."
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Quote:Could you see her thought echo and ricochet around?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I've been telling people all week that I thought this one was going around to west Fla like 1935, and now they say it is. My bro texted me that he left this morning, finally. And that he was heading towards Orlando, which I hear is a parking lot. The farmers here are mowing the corn down at a furious pace, in case the rain heads this way. I've never seen them mow it still partially green before. Going to be a bad weedy sneezy spring.
Came home to a woman in my driveway putting signs in people's yards trying to get them to sign a petition to keep from zoning us.
"They'll make us put in sewer!"
-Ok, some people here need to do that anyway. Poop regulation is a good thing...
"They can build big buildings everywhere"
-It's so they can put in a gas station. These idiots are fighting against gas stations. That this area DESPERATELY NEEDS.
"They'll take away farmland!"
-Wow, a few acres? SO what.
Then, the big argue...
"I DON'T WANT DAMN FERRENERS HERE"
Hubby is wearing his work shirt, keep in mind he works for a notorious foreign company... He points to the logo and says "You mean, like these guys?"
I swear, the thought that this was a foreign owned company never crossed her pea brain. I actually saw the thought cross her mind from one side to the other...
"Oh... yeah....my son works there..."
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Turned on the tv at 8 am .... lo and behold, we're not in the cone of death anymore! The overly-cautious cowardly bastards issued mandatory evacuations to 3 million people along the east side of So. Fla., and once again they were fucking wrong.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, no doubt there's going to be hell to pay all up and down FL, and Atlanta also looks to take a direct hit, altho by then Irma won't be catastrophic, merely damaging.
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Yes, it won't ( hopefully ) be a direct hit, but then again, aren't the stronger winds to the starboard side of the storm ? I know the surge is worst on that side, as the winds are blowing into the land, while on the port side, they're actually blowing water out to sea, but on land I guess it's kinda a moot point, so...
Just think, they didn't even plot this storm to make landfall until S. Carolina, and now look at it !
Weather is hard to predict.... just sayin'.
* Riverlove - Congrats for being out of the cone of death and destruction, but hurricanes are fickle. Kinda have to give the politicos half a break, but concerning a massive event like this, the motto ' When in doubt, get out " usually applies.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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So which weatherguessers guessed better?
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I've hypothesized recently that both tornado and hurricane paths are hard to predict because they're moving over an essentially frictionless surface. The things that influence their paths are air-related, and small turbulences or differences in pressure that we don't see, can (frictionlessly) steer them in another direction. It's like trying to predict the path of smoke.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So which weatherguessers guessed better?
Well, it's still going to hit Miami. The storm is about 220 miles across and the bottom width of Florida is about 120. The fact that the eye isn't hitting Miami won't make much of a difference...they will still get the rain. They will still flood. Probably still get 100 mph winds, at least.
I read today that all hurricanes once they get a certain distance from the equator will turn, a little like the swirling in a toilet.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So which weatherguessers guessed better?
Well, it's still going to hit Miami. The storm is about 220 miles across and the bottom width of Florida is about 120. The fact that the eye isn't hitting Miami won't make much of a difference...they will still get the rain. They will still flood. Probably still get 100 mph winds, at least.
I read today that all hurricanes once they get a certain distance from the equator will turn, a little like the swirling in a toilet.
Even if they get 51 inches of precipitation in 2 days, that's still better than having Storm Surge to the level of most roofs.
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Just heard a climatologist correcting news readers, saying Irma is now a Cat 3.
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Most of the houses in southern Florida weren’t built to today’s hurricane codes. And Hurricane Irma has a lot more stuff to destroy than Hurricane Andrew did 25 years ago.
After Andrew destroyed more than 125,000 of Florida’s homes in 1992, state authorities realized that structures needed to be built stronger. Since 1994, southern Florida homes have had to meet new requirements that ensure they withstand the winds and flooding risks of at least a category 3 hurricane. More sweeping statewide legislation was added in 2001.
In what will be the greatest test of the new homes’ strength, Hurricane Irma, expected to be the strongest hurricane since Andrew, is projected to hit Florida early Sunday morning. But since these regulations only apply to buildings constructed since the law took effect, a majority of southern Florida homes may not be equipped to handle Irma’s havoc.
Less than 28% percent of homes in Miami-Dade county have been built to the 1994 codes, according to the 2015 American Community Survey. The rest of the homes there are old stock, which may, or may not, be strong enough to withstand the storm.
If St. Martin and other Caribbean islands, which are just assessing the destruction as Irma leaves their shores, show any indication of the hurricane’s strength, aluminum mobile homes reinforced with plywood don’t stand a chance. Some islands saw 20-30% of structures totally destroyed. The Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda, has said 95% of structures were damaged in some way.
https://qz.com/1073551
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Makes one wonder how Seminoles and other Native Americans survived hurricanes for centuries. They had teepees, right? No permanent structures in Fla, what's the highest ground in the peninsula? No weatherguessers except medicinemen and spirit dancers?
Originally posted by second:
Most of the houses in southern Florida weren’t built to today’s hurricane codes. And Hurricane Irma has a lot more stuff to destroy than Hurricane Andrew did 25 years ago.
After Andrew destroyed more than 125,000 of Florida’s homes in 1992, state authorities realized that structures needed to be built stronger. Since 1994, southern Florida homes have had to meet new requirements that ensure they withstand the winds and flooding risks of at least a category 3 hurricane. More sweeping statewide legislation was added in 2001.
In what will be the greatest test of the new homes’ strength, Hurricane Irma, expected to be the strongest hurricane since Andrew, is projected to hit Florida early Sunday morning. But since these regulations only apply to buildings constructed since the law took effect, a majority of southern Florida homes may not be equipped to handle Irma’s havoc.
Less than 28% percent of homes in Miami-Dade county have been built to the 1994 codes, according to the 2015 American Community Survey. The rest of the homes there are old stock, which may, or may not, be strong enough to withstand the storm.
If St. Martin and other Caribbean islands, which are just assessing the destruction as Irma leaves their shores, show any indication of the hurricane’s strength, aluminum mobile homes reinforced with plywood don’t stand a chance. Some islands saw 20-30% of structures totally destroyed. The Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda, has said 95% of structures were damaged in some way.
https://qz.com/1073551
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:how many more homes now than 25 years ago?
Originally posted by second:
Most of the houses in southern Florida weren’t built to today’s hurricane codes. And Hurricane Irma has a lot more stuff to destroy than Hurricane Andrew did 25 years ago.
After Andrew destroyed more than 125,000 of Florida’s homes in 1992, state authorities realized that structures needed to be built stronger. Since 1994, southern Florida homes have had to meet new requirements that ensure they withstand the winds and flooding risks of at least a category 3 hurricane. More sweeping statewide legislation was added in 2001.
In what will be the greatest test of the new homes’ strength, Hurricane Irma, expected to be the strongest hurricane since Andrew, is projected to hit Florida early Sunday morning. But since these regulations only apply to buildings constructed since the law took effect, a majority of southern Florida homes may not be equipped to handle Irma’s havoc.
Less than 28% percent of homes in Miami-Dade county have been built to the 1994 codes, according to the 2015 American Community Survey. The rest of the homes there are old stock, which may, or may not, be strong enough to withstand the storm.
If St. Martin and other Caribbean islands, which are just assessing the destruction as Irma leaves their shores, show any indication of the hurricane’s strength, aluminum mobile homes reinforced with plywood don’t stand a chance. Some islands saw 20-30% of structures totally destroyed. The Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda, has said 95% of structures were damaged in some way.
https://qz.com/1073551
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Quote:Don't know, but a 2017 storm surge analysis reports just under 2.8 million homes at risk of damage in Florida.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
how many more homes now than 25 years ago?
www.insurancejournal.com/blogs/corelogic/2017/06/06/452784.htm
For the whole U.S.A. there are 5.9 million homes at risk of storm surge damage that have a total reconstruction cost value of more than $1.5 Trillion. Call it $250,000 per house. If the builders spend a little extra money to raise the house when it was first built, then the cost to rebuild would be about zero, but Americans prefer the federal government to bail them out after a catastrophe rather than paying so there never is a catastrophe. Why do something significant ahead of time when there are all those great TV shows Americans would rather be watching, saving their brains from thinking about uninteresting stuff like preventing disasters? Let government, God and Luck take care of it.
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Quote:Often when I ask people about why they don't elevate the floor level of their homes, I'm told it is prohibited. Sometimes it's called "fill in" or "landfill" or "dumping (not allowed)" or similar.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Don't know, but a 2017 storm surge analysis reports just under 2.8 million homes at risk of damage in Florida.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
how many more homes now than 25 years ago?
www.insurancejournal.com/blogs/corelogic/2017/06/06/452784.htm
For the whole U.S.A. there are 5.9 million homes at risk of storm surge damage that have a total reconstruction cost value of more than $1.5 Trillion. Call it $250,000 per house. If the builders spend a little extra money to raise the house when it was first built, then the cost to rebuild would be about zero, but Americans prefer the federal government to bail them out after a catastrophe rather than paying so there never is a catastrophe. Why do something significant ahead of time when there are all those great TV shows Americans would rather be watching, saving their brains from thinking about uninteresting stuff like preventing disasters? Let government, God and Luck take care of it.
I had thought Florida was one of those places. It's usually some low elevation place where this is in effect. IIRC the Isthmus of Madison, WI is also one place. (a few feet below the elevation of Lake Mendota)
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It’s easy to forget that South Florida was once America’s last frontier, generally dismissed as an uninhabitable and undesirable wasteland, almost completely unsettled well after the West was won. “How far, far out of the world it seems,” Iza Hardy wrote in an 1887 book called Oranges and Alligators: Sketches of South Florida. And Hardy ventured only as far south as Orlando, which is actually central Florida, nearly 250 miles north of Miami. Back then, only about 300 hardy pioneers lived in modern-day South Florida. Miami wasn’t even incorporated as a city until 1896.
There was really just one reason South Florida remained so unpleasant and so empty for so long: water. The region was simply too soggy and swampy for development. Its low-lying flatlands were too vulnerable to storms and floods. As a colorful governor with the colorful name of Napoleon Bonaparte Broward put it: “Water is the common enemy of the people of Florida.”
So in the 20th century, Florida (the U.S. government paying the tab) declared war on its common enemy, vowing to subdue Mother Nature, eventually making vast swaths of floodplains safe for Trump to build golf courses. Water control—paid for by the Federal Government, and Social Security checks—also paid by the Federal Government, enabled the spectacular growth of South Florida.
But sometimes, as we’re about to be reminded, water and Mother Nature can’t be controlled.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/08/hurricane-irma-florida-2155
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Just saw news show Irma down to Cat 2 before eye touched Florida coast.
Track shows down to Cat 1 about halfway up the west coast, then barely SW corner of GA, and NE corner of MS.
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Quote:is it Miami that is mostly landfill?
Originally posted by second:
It’s easy to forget that South Florida was once America’s last frontier, generally dismissed as an uninhabitable and undesirable wasteland, almost completely unsettled well after the West was won. “How far, far out of the world it seems,” Iza Hardy wrote in an 1887 book called Oranges and Alligators: Sketches of South Florida. And Hardy ventured only as far south as Orlando, which is actually central Florida, nearly 250 miles north of Miami. Back then, only about 300 hardy pioneers lived in modern-day South Florida. Miami wasn’t even incorporated as a city until 1896.
There was really just one reason South Florida remained so unpleasant and so empty for so long: water. The region was simply too soggy and swampy for development. Its low-lying flatlands were too vulnerable to storms and floods. As a colorful governor with the colorful name of Napoleon Bonaparte Broward put it: “Water is the common enemy of the people of Florida.”
So in the 20th century, Florida (the U.S. government paying the tab) declared war on its common enemy, vowing to subdue Mother Nature, eventually making vast swaths of floodplains safe for Trump to build golf courses. Water control—paid for by the Federal Government, and Social Security checks—also paid by the Federal Government, enabled the spectacular growth of South Florida.
But sometimes, as we’re about to be reminded, water and Mother Nature can’t be controlled.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/08/hurricane-irma-florida-2155
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Poopypants Al Roker showning Naples with ocean 30 feet below low tide, and another showing Tampa at 15 feet below low tide. Lots of islands appearing where none have been before.
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Quote:Before moving to Texas, I lived in Miami until I was 13. Miami built on the land as it was for thousands of years, not raising the level at all. The Miami Herald has an alarming map showing what might be left of Florida when the sea level rises by 15 feet. It was about global warming, but a storm surge does the same, except only for a week, not forever.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
is it Miami that is mostly landfill?
www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article172347252.html
Another map of Florida elevations: https://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3047/downloads/SIM3047.pdf
The family home on Google streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/NbceEMJoSH42 The street is at almost the same elevation as the terrazzo floors. The lawn is the original coral rock covered by only 3 inches of sod. Nothing was raised to prevent flooding.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Makes one wonder how Seminoles and other Native Americans survived hurricanes for centuries. They had teepees, right? No permanent structures in Fla, what's the highest ground in the peninsula? No weatherguessers except medicinemen and spirit dancers?
I'm pretty sure it was because there weren't shady people building teepee parks on worthless land in the valley's and selling it to idiots.
I'm sure quite a few of the dumber indians at some point were washed away to never be heard from again. Their dumb genes were eliminated from the pool and nobody ever lived in the valley again until after Christopher Columbus found America on accident.
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Quote:How do you make a teepee withstand 100 mph winds?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Makes one wonder how Seminoles and other Native Americans survived hurricanes for centuries. They had teepees, right? No permanent structures in Fla, what's the highest ground in the peninsula? No weatherguessers except medicinemen and spirit dancers?
I'm pretty sure it was because there weren't shady people building teepee parks on worthless land in the valley's and selling it to idiots.
I'm sure quite a few of the dumber indians at some point were washed away to never be heard from again. Their dumb genes were eliminated from the pool and nobody ever lived in the valley again until after Christopher Columbus found America on accident.
Is there any valley in Fla?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How do you make a teepee withstand 100 mph winds?
I'm sure you don't. It's a teepee... Build another one.
My point was more about the natives not living in a material world where property was bought and sold in terrible places that nobody should live back in a time and place where nobody owned any property and the weak weren't always bailed out. Survival of the fittest. I'm sure plenty of people died from nature all of the time and nobody thought twice about it besides praying to their totems or whatever. It was their normal.
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Is there any valley in Fla?
Florida is the valley in Florida.
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“The average elevation in Florida is 6 feet,” London said. “Some places are as little as 3 feet above sea level. And sea level is going to rise as all that ice in the Arctic melts.”
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-future-is-now-for-sea-level-ris
e-in-south-florida
Compare that to my state...
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Elevation ranges from 600 to 1,000 feet (180 to 300 metres) (and more) above sea level. Forests and farmland line Central Indiana's gently rolling plains and river valleys. The highest point in Indiana is Hoosier Hill, at 1,257 feet (383 m) above sea level in northern Wayne County.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Indiana
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just saw news show Irma down to Cat 2 before eye touched Florida coast.
Track shows down to Cat 1 about halfway up the west coast, then barely SW corner of GA, and NE corner of MS.
Yes, but they have still recorded gusts of 142, and sustained winds of 98.
That's not nothin'.
AND they are only on first pass, the bulk is going to swing back around and do it again. People have been going outside thinking it is over when it's not.
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For what it's worth, Sept 10 is historically the peak time of activity for hurricane season. So going by the record books, we're smack dab in normal town.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Saw on my Twitter feed that a sheriff down in Florida is telling people NOT to fire their guns into the storm.
It is sad that it is entirely necessary to tell people not to shoot their guns into the storm.
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lol... nothing surprises me these days.
I wasn't expecting to see those warnings, but right after you said it happened I see the need for people to be warned.
My only question is, how many more people are trying to shoot at the storm that wouldn't have done it before the warning went out?
I bet the answer is that more people did it because of the warning than would have done it if the warning never was made.
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It seems the storm surge wasn't as bad as expected, so not many deaths. (One recorded so far - by a falling tree.) But a lot of property damage.
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I'm relieved. It could have been much worse.
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Where is the Josie thread?
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I heard news say that Irma got to about Tampa, then hooked a right and East to cross the state, through Orlando.
If understood correctly, once over the Atlantic, might regain power and hit farther north on the East Coast.
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Well, my relatives that live in Naples are ok, no power, and the surge didn't get into the house, surprisingly (that's where the eye was). My bro went to inlaws in the Carolina's and says he can't go back because there's no gas in pretty much the entire south of Florida. I don't know if the tanks are sealed and water gets in and ruins it, or if they literally used everything that was left??
I can't imagine sitting around all day in 90 degree heat and no power, running water, food rotting, nothing to watch. I don't know why they didn't come up. 
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Where is the Josie thread?
Jose is a Cat 1 with 75 mph winds, and they don't have a clue where it will go next. Not much to say.
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Here's something scary....the winter AFTER the 1935 hurricane was bad, followed by a really bad summer...
I hope we don't follow THAT...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_cold_wave
The 1936 North American cold wave ranks among the most intense cold waves in recorded North American meteorological history. The states of the Midwest United States and the Prairie Provinces of Canada were hit the hardest, and only the Southwest and California largely escaped its effects. February 1936 was the coldest month on record in the states of North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota, and rivals February 1899 as the coldest February on record for the continent as a whole.
The 1930s had previously seen some of the mildest winters in recorded North American climatic history – 1930/1931 in the northern Plains and Western Canada, 1931/1932 in the East, 1932/1933 in New England and 1933/1934 in the Western United States.[1] The northern plains had during the previous eleven years experienced six of their ten warmest Februaries between 1895 and 1976 – those of 1925, 1926, 1927, 1930, 1931 and 1935[2] – with only February 1929 being severe during this period.
Despite a warm March over most areas east of the Rockies, the extended winter from October to March was the fifth-coldest on record over the conterminous United States and the coldest since 1917.[3]
The cold wave was followed by one of the hottest summers on record, the 1936 North American heat wave.
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Quote:Have heard many reports that there is no gas anywhere, even when gouging was in effect. Tanker trucks couldn't go there, risk being stranded, and greater demand for fuel than ever before.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Well, my relatives that live in Naples are ok, no power, and the surge didn't get into the house, surprisingly (that's where the eye was). My bro went to inlaws in the Carolina's and says he can't go back because there's no gas in pretty much the entire south of Florida. I don't know if the tanks are sealed and water gets in and ruins it, or if they literally used everything that was left??
I can't imagine sitting around all day in 90 degree heat and no power, running water, food rotting, nothing to watch. I don't know why they didn't come up.
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Quote:Could that have been affected by the Dust Bowl, starting in 1934?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Here's something scary....the winter AFTER the 1935 hurricane was bad, followed by a really bad summer...
I hope we don't follow THAT...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_cold_wave
The 1936 North American cold wave ranks among the most intense cold waves in recorded North American meteorological history. The states of the Midwest United States and the Prairie Provinces of Canada were hit the hardest, and only the Southwest and California largely escaped its effects. February 1936 was the coldest month on record in the states of North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota, and rivals February 1899 as the coldest February on record for the continent as a whole.
The 1930s had previously seen some of the mildest winters in recorded North American climatic history – 1930/1931 in the northern Plains and Western Canada, 1931/1932 in the East, 1932/1933 in New England and 1933/1934 in the Western United States.[1] The northern plains had during the previous eleven years experienced six of their ten warmest Februaries between 1895 and 1976 – those of 1925, 1926, 1927, 1930, 1931 and 1935[2] – with only February 1929 being severe during this period.
Despite a warm March over most areas east of the Rockies, the extended winter from October to March was the fifth-coldest on record over the conterminous United States and the coldest since 1917.[3]
The cold wave was followed by one of the hottest summers on record, the 1936 North American heat wave.
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I don't know. Could be. All I know is that a lot of the weirder extreme weather we get runs in about 80ish year cycles...here, anyway. Every time grandma says "we haven't had x be this bad since I was a kid" I pay attention. 
The other thing is, we're due for an ass kicking winter.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Where is the Josie thread?
Out to sea, and apparently not coming to the mainland
Here in ATL, lights flickered a few times, but power never went out. No trees that I can see in the immediate vicinity toppled. News has images of some large ones having fallen over, and on yeah, the " city " is officially closed ( I'm assuming the govt ) , but otherwise all is well. Mostly.
This was no Opal.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
The other thing is, we're due for an ass kicking winter.
I hope not.
My kick ass monster of a snowblower is up to the task, but I can't say the same for my 1959 Janitrol POS furnace.... or my car, for that matter. :(
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Quote:Last night I heard Irma was 800 miles wide, from Memphis to Norfolk.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Where is the Josie thread?
Out to sea, and apparently not coming to the mainland
Here in ATL, lights flickered a few times, but power never went out. No trees that I can see in the immediate vicinity toppled. News has images of some large ones having fallen over, and on yeah, the " city " is officially closed ( I'm assuming the govt ) , but otherwise all is well. Mostly.
This was no Opal.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Last night I heard Irma was 800 miles wide, from Memphis to Norfolk.
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Looks like Irma has touched Chicagoland.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
1959 Janitrol POS furnace...
Those infrared heaters are fairly cheap and work pretty well, maybe well enough to keep pipes from freezing.
My kid has one and it keeps that half of the house toasty.
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I've been on the fence about those IR heaters for so long. They're a bit pricey still, but the electricity costs are super cheap compared to other electric heaters.
I'm just waiting for the stories to come out about how they cause cancer since they basically work the same way as a microwave does. Although, those stories could just be blamed on the IR heaters when it's actually long term use of cell phones that are frying our insides. 
That's probably a good idea for the crawl space where my NW pipes are located. They've froze on me twice, but no bursting yet. Right now I have an older oil based one that costs a few bucks a day to run down there and only turn it on when it dips below -10 outside. I could have the IR ones on all winter and the flooring on the 1st floor should be nice and toasty.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
They've froze on me twice, but no bursting yet.
You know there are long heat tapes that wrap around the pipes that you plug in and they only turn on when it gets to freezing temps? Letting your pipes freeze makes them more prone to pop in the future. They run about $30 for basic models. Or at the very least they make fa-noodle looking styrofoam things that tape to pipes for like $5. Do SOMETHING with 'em.
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Quote:InfraRed frequency power is not the same as RadioFrequency power. RF is what microwave oven use. IR is part of the visible range for much of the animal kingdom. Do you feel that blue light, or green light, or orange light is detrimental to your health?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I've been on the fence about those IR heaters for so long. They're a bit pricey still, but the electricity costs are super cheap compared to other electric heaters.
I'm just waiting for the stories to come out about how they cause cancer since they basically work the same way as a microwave does. Although, those stories could just be blamed on the IR heaters when it's actually long term use of cell phones that are frying our insides.
That's probably a good idea for the crawl space where my NW pipes are located. They've froze on me twice, but no bursting yet. Right now I have an older oil based one that costs a few bucks a day to run down there and only turn it on when it dips below -10 outside. I could have the IR ones on all winter and the flooring on the 1st floor should be nice and toasty.
If so, get a better foil to make your hat from, and use sunscreen to protect from IR.
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Will someone start a thread for Maria, or can she be discussed here?
On the 19th, Maria tried to wipe out Puerto Rico and did a
pretty good job of it.
Relevance: It's a US protectorate, mostly Spanish speaking
folks, but also many US expats. Some think it oughta be our
51st state. Trump has pooh-poohed the notion of sending
help to them. Congress is sending help anyways.
Prior problem: the place was seriously run down to begin with.
Like their gov't really has NO money, the people have no jobs
or what?
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Will someone start a thread for Maria, or can she be discussed here?
You can discuss anything you like, Oon, but I don't think there is much general knowledge in this pool about Puerto Rico to be had.
I feel bad for them, but I'm not sure taking on another broke country is going to do us or them any good. Our economy just isn't as resilient as it used to be...It's quite clear most of these islands should not be inhabited by people in average housing. You can use the "this kind of disaster level is rare" argument, but the fact remains it will happen again. Doing the same thing over and over is the definition of insanity. I think many of the people on these devastated islands should find a new living, and THAT we can help them do.... Sometimes, life's a beach and sometimes life's a bitch. Prepare or perish.
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Quote:Puerto Rico is another country?
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:You can discuss anything you like, Oon, but I don't think there is much general knowledge in this pool about Puerto Rico to be had.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Will someone start a thread for Maria, or can she be discussed here?
I feel bad for them, but I'm not sure taking on another broke country is going to do us or them any good. Our economy just isn't as resilient as it used to be...It's quite clear most of these islands should not be inhabited by people in average housing. You can use the "this kind of disaster level is rare" argument, but the fact remains it will happen again. Doing the same thing over and over is the definition of insanity. I think many of the people on these devastated islands should find a new living, and THAT we can help them do.... Sometimes, life's a beach and sometimes life's a bitch. Prepare or perish.
Or SodomQueen got confused about the 58 States of America?
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When I don't know stuff, I Wiki it & hope the Wiki contributor
is better educated than me.
"The United States currently has sixteen territories. Five of
them are permanently inhabited and are classified as unincorporated
territories: Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands in the
Caribbean; Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands in the Marianas
archipelago in the western North Pacific Ocean; and American Samoa
in the South Pacific. They are organized, self-governing territories
with locally elected governors and territorial legislatures. Each
also elects a non-voting member (or resident commissioner) to the U.S.
House of Representatives ...
"The eleven other territories are small islands, atolls and reefs,
also spread across the Caribbean and Pacific, with no native or
permanent populations."
If we don't make the 5 unincorporated territories into US states,
is it because they are too impoverished to pay taxes? Need to be
developed? hmmm.
Anyways, this is personal. I've got a pal living in PR; haven't
heard from him in a week. ... Yes, I know: power & phones still
out; many roads treacherous. ... When it hit, I thought communi-
cations would be back up in 2 days. :(
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Although I don't conjure there is a country separate fro
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Although I don't conjure there is a country separate from US known as The United State of Puerto Rico, I do wish your pal the best. A little communication restriction is better than some alternatives.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Although I don't conjure there is a country separate from US known as The United State of Puerto Rico, I do wish your pal the best. A little communication restriction is better than some alternatives.
Yes, I know that P.R. is a US territory, Rusty Junk. I'm speaking from a purely geographic point of view, seeing as the vast majority of Americans will not ever go to P.R., or have any desire to go there, or be responsible for it.
I'm one of 'em. We got enough problems. After speaking to my aunt about how Florida is doing still, it's naïve to think we can do much anyway.
Good luck to your friend, Oon. He prolly should have left, though.
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