The Evidens
POSTED BY: JO753
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Trump is claiming James Comey perjured himself. That’s extremely hard to believe.
Why would Comey lie under oath when Trump has said there might be tapes of their conversations? If only Trump would testify under oath, he would be taken seriously when he accuses Comey of a crime punishable with 5 years in jail. But Trump is not offering to testify under oath, he is not offering to place himself at risk for a perjury charge, which is a strong indicator of who is the real liar. I happily await Trump's testimony under oath to prove me wrong about him.
I'd even be happy to hear Trump's recordings of his conversations with Comey since Trump said the tapes "might" exist, then Trump could prove Comey is a liar without Trump testifying.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15768190/comey-testimony-trum
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Did Trump just say he’d testify under oath about Comey? He seemed to suggest that he’d be willing to give his own version of events under oath. But the exchange, with ABC News’s Jonathan Karl, was a bit of a muddle, and it’s unclear whether the president intended his answer to come across that way.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15772332/trump-under-oath-com
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thinking about why Trump woud say "Thats taken off now" to Lavrov and Kislyak wen its plainly rediculous.
Its bekuz he wuz desperately hoping that hiz boss woud think that at least Trump believz it, so he iz doing hiz job.
Its another clue to the size uv the blackmail hanging over hiz hed.
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Quote:More clues that something weird is happening in his brain: Trump cannot answer the simplest question in a straightforward manner.
Originally posted by JO753:
Its another clue to the size uv the blackmail hanging over hiz hed.
KARL: And you seem to be hinting that there are recordings of those conversations.
TRUMP: I’m not hinting anything, I’ll tell you about that over a very short period of time.
KARL: When will you tell us about the recordings?
TRUMP: Over a very short period of time.
KARL: Are there tapes, sir?
TRUMP: Oh, you’re gonna be very disappointed when you hear the answer, don’t worry.
So overall, this cleared up nothing.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15772332/trump-under-oath-com
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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If you were the creator of a TV crime series, what would you see as the key plot points of Trump vs Comey? The Wire’s David Simon with an interesting take:
https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/872966218738741250
A year with some good detectives taught me that often WHAT ISN'T SAID is the actual tell. And note what isn't discussed between Trump and Comey. At no point does Trump make any concerted effort to discern whether or not Russia did in fact attempt to interfere in the election. Indeed, he notes that the claim has created a cloud over his governance -- so he can scarcely say that it isn't of real concern to him; his concern is premised in this meeting. Yet, he doesn't inquire as to what Comey and the FBI is yet discerning about Russia's role. He doesn't even do so as a means of disparaging the claim. (i.e. "I'm sure you're finding out that there's nothing to the claims of Russian interference, right?" It. Doesn't. Come. Up.
In this regard, I am reminded of every innocent and guilty man I ever witnessed in an interrogation room. The innocent ask a multitude of questions about what the detectives know, or why the cops might think X or Y or whether Z happened to the victim. The guilty forget to inquire. They know.
An old law school saw tells young trial lawyers to remind their clients to stay curious in front of a jury. There's a famous tale of a murder case in which the body of the defendant's wife had not been recovered yet he was charged with the killing. Defense attorney tells the jury in final argument there's been no crime and the supposed victim will walk through the courtroom doors in 10 seconds. 30 seconds later the door remains shut. "OK, she isn't coming today. But the point is all of you on jury looked, and that my friends is reasonable doubt. You must acquit."
Jury comes back in twenty minutes: Guilty. Attorney goes to the foreman: "I thought I had you." Foreman: "You had me and ten others. But juror number 8 didn't look at the door, he looked at your client. And he didn't eye the door, he was examining his nails."
Even when he was completely alone with Comey, Trump didn't look at the door. He eyed his nails. It's an absolute tell.
Why? Because Trump already knows that there is some fixed amount of Russian interference on his behalf, and possibly, collusion as well.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:No. I mean @realDonaldTrump who tweeted 2 hours ago: "Congratulations to Jeb Hensarling & Republicans on successful House vote to repeal major parts of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial law. GROWTH!" If you knew why the economy crashed in 2008, and you remember the multi-trillion dollar bailout that went to the fabulously wealthy and none to you, you would know why Trump should not congratulate this vote.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Oh... you mean the Mayor that has called moderate Muslims who don't partake in violence and speak out against it a disgrace?
No. That's not what you mean. Once again you quote me and reply with something completely unrelated. Read your prior post.
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I have to say that you (JO, SECOND, SHINY, and GSTRING) aren't bothering to get the facts. As usual.
I was troubled by the conflicting views of Comey's testimony, and the garbled interpretations being made of it, so rather than relying on what "people said" about the testimony, I decided to go to the full transcript. I'm only about about halfway through, but I did want to clarify a few things and pass along some interesting information. Here is the transcript, if you're interested in facts:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/senate-hearing-transcri
pt.html
Part of the confusion is that there are at least FOUR issues being discussed in these hearings:
1) Did Russia attempt to interfere in our elections?
2) Did the Trump campaign collude with the Russians?
3) Did Trump attempt to obstruct justice?
4) What other testimony came out, about Comey's handling of the Hillary investigation, for example, or whether or not the NYT printed a false (leaked) story about Trump and whether or not any in the intelligence community chose to correct the story.
The other part of the confusion is that Comey is being questioned alternately by Republicans and Democrats in order of rank, so each party is trying to elicit a different response.
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Although I'm only halfway through, this is what I've gotten so far
1) Comey is convinced that the Russians attempted to influence our elections, although he himself admits that the FBI was prevented from examining the DNC server, and had to rely on private party to provide the info. In Comey's view, no votes were ever hacked.
2) Trump himself was NOT under investigation. Flynn, of course, is mentioned as a person under investigation for having undisclosed contact with Russians (and Turks, BTW, an issue that Muller will be looking into). All of the crap about intercepted communications in the NYT was false.
3) Comey himself felt under pressure about the "Russia" investigation. That "pressure" was in the form of Trump's "hope" that the Flynn investigation could be let go. Trump also mentioned that the Russia investigation created a "cloud" which Comey testified that he took to mean that it was taking up too much oxygen and distracting from Trump's bigger agenda. The "ask", according to Comey, was to tell the press that Trump was NOT under investigation (which he wasn't). It was FEINSTEIN (D) who characterized it as a request to stop the investigation.
4) There were other politics going on. Comey was also told by Loretta Lynch - apparently more directly than with an expressed "hope" - to call the Hillary investigation a "matter" instead of an investigation.
Comey knew for a fact that at least one story printed about Trump was false, but chose not to correct it. He also chose not to investigate who leaked it.
It was only after he was fired did Comey suddenly realize that maybe he WAS pressured, after all.
But outside of this testimony, before his dismissal he said he was NOT experiencing interference in the investigation, and according to statements given by the current investigators, they're not experiencing any pressure either.
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So far, I don't see any...
1) Evidence about Russian hacking, just assertions, suppositions, and private-party "information" which was never independently investigated or validated
2) "Collusion" between the Trump campaign and "Russia", although one former Cabinet member is under investigation
3) Enough evidence to make "obstruction of justice", since it has a fairly high bar to meet. All I've seen is Comey's hurt feelings changed outlook since his dismissal, at odds with his earlier statement that he WASN'T experiencing any pressure, and current investigators that nobody is interfering with them either. So, maybe the problem really is just Comey.
4) However, the Comey was not treating all seri
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Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more. Trump said:
“[Rosenstein] made a recommendation, but regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it,” Trump said. “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.’”
www.factcheck.org/2017/05/trump-fire-comey/
Trump has an emotional problem with his election being questioned, doesn't he?
Trump is angry that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein because Comney was fired. Mueller will not be giving Trump any updates until the investigation into Russia is done. An emotionally distraught Trump might fire Mueller just because it feels right.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/special_coun
sel_robert_mueller_was_born_and_bred_to_torment_donald_trump.html
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have to say that you (JO, SECOND, SHINY, and GSTRING) aren't bothering to get the facts. As usual.
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So far, I don't see any...
1) Evidence about Russian hacking, just assertions, suppositions, and private-party "information" which was never independently investigated or validated
2) "Collusion" between the Trump campaign and "Russia", although one former Cabinet member is under investigation
3) Enough evidence to make "obstruction of justice", since it has a fairly high bar to meet. All I've seen is Comey's hurt feelings changed outlook since his dismissal, at odds with his earlier statement that he WASN'T experiencing any pressure, and current investigators that nobody is interfering with them either. So, maybe the problem really is just Comey.
4) However, the Comey was not treating all serious crimes equally seriously.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more.
Maybe he fired Comey because Comey was the guy who could come out and say to the world that Trump was not currently being investigated by the FBI, yet he refused to do it.
Maybe he fired Comey because he was the head of the organization that has been leaking information like a sieve to the MSM for months. Well... everything except for the fact that Trump wasn't under investigation.
I would have fired him too.
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Quote:Comey is a side show. The real drama is how Trump reacts to Mueller. Whatever the real reason for Trump firing Comey, Trump's interaction with Mueller will tell the world whether or not Trump wants Russia investigated.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more.
Maybe he fired Comey because Comey was the guy who could come out and say to the world that Trump was not currently being investigated by the FBI, yet he refused to do it.
Maybe he fired Comey because he was the head of the organization that has been leaking information like a sieve to the MSM for months. Well... everything except for the fact that Trump wasn't under investigation.
I would have fired him too.
If Trump makes a stink, refuses to turn over documents, makes disparaging remarks about Mueller, even tweets about Mueller, goes too far by firing Mueller, cuts back Mueller's budget, it means Trump does not want Mueller to finish the investigation into Russia.
Any Congressional investigations mean less than nothing because the Republicans controlling those inquiries are simply pretending to do the job. There is no reason to believe they are unprejudiced seekers of truth, neutral about Russia.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Comey is a side show.
He wasn't last week. He was the great vindicator that was going to unmask Trump for the treasonous Russia collaborator you all knew he was.
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