Is Kathy Griffin nuts?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Now here's where it gets a little weird for me. So, what you want is for all Muslims, regardless of skin color, condemn acts of violence by their fellow Muslims. Dude, you just finished telling me the opposite in the above paragraph.
That I have no right (and you are right about that) to tell you what to do (even though I did not do that). But what you do want is for the Muslims to do as you say, but not as you do.
No. It's a lot different.
One of the guys who put me in the hospital was black. One was mexican. Two were white. I don't expect blacks and mexicans to apologize to me for the actions of those idiots. Hell... It's just as much my fault as it was theirs really. I should have known my situation and not gotten involved. There was really no other way that could have ended except for me actually being murdered.
I don't expect every single Muslim person to come out and say something about these types of incidents. How would you even "catalog" something like that. There are a lot of them.
What I DO expect is for every Muslim LEADER to condemn any attacks made by any Muslims, regardless of their race.
Islam is a ideology of INTOLERANCE and HATE.
2 million of them here in the USA might not be extremists, but it only took 19 of them to bring the country to its knees in 2001.
People like that need to be shamed by their own. They need to be outcasts. Future possible terrorists for the Muslim cause need to know ahead of time that this is not acceptable.
I view any religion as a cult, really. They are the only cult out there as massive as they are that is out there constantly murdering people. What is wrong with you and people like you that you keep defending them?
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I view any religion as a cult, really.
I'm too sleepy to reply to the whole post.
But I like that one line. :)
Religion -vs- Philosophy
Philosophy is generally a good thing.
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Okay, I'm done.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I got my ass kicked and was stabbed in the back by 4 guys for standing up for a woman when I was 19. I didn't die, but I got the ass kicking of my life and spent the night in the hospital after having a catheter stuck up my pee-hole and down my nose, and had an IV bag dumped into a cut they made in my belly to see if I was bleeding internally.
Nobody called me a hero. Nobody gave a shit.
Shit happens.
Next....
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I have seen Muslim leaders here in this country condemn the violence perpetrated by those claiming to be Islamic. But that's me. In my neighborhood there is a mosque that has been here for decades, and so far no one has been killed by any of it's members. They live and work in the community, they have been around a long time and nothing untoward has ever happened.
Except for one thing: a Muslim cleric was stabbed in the back in a neighborhood not far from my area. He was walking to his home from "services" minding his own business.
You say that you haven't seen Islamic leaders condemn violence, I take you at your word.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Now here's where it gets a little weird for me. So, what you want is for all Muslims, regardless of skin color, condemn acts of violence by their fellow Muslims. Dude, you just finished telling me the opposite in the above paragraph.
That I have no right (and you are right about that) to tell you what to do (even though I did not do that). But what you do want is for the Muslims to do as you say, but not as you do.
No. It's a lot different.
One of the guys who put me in the hospital was black. One was mexican. Two were white. I don't expect blacks and mexicans to apologize to me for the actions of those idiots. Hell... It's just as much my fault as it was theirs really. I should have known my situation and not gotten involved. There was really no other way that could have ended except for me actually being murdered.
I don't expect every single Muslim person to come out and say something about these types of incidents. How would you even "catalog" something like that. There are a lot of them.
What I DO expect is for every Muslim LEADER to condemn any attacks made by any Muslims, regardless of their race.
Islam is a ideology of INTOLERANCE and HATE.
2 million of them here in the USA might not be extremists, but it only took 19 of them to bring the country to its knees in 2001.
People like that need to be shamed by their own. They need to be outcasts. Future possible terrorists for the Muslim cause need to know ahead of time that this is not acceptable.
I view any religion as a cult, really. They are the only cult out there as massive as they are that is out there constantly murdering people. What is wrong with you and people like you that you keep defending them?
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The ad Hillary should have run.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I have seen Muslim leaders here in this country condemn the violence perpetrated by those claiming to be Islamic. But that's me. In my neighborhood there is a mosque that has been here for decades, and so far no one has been killed by any of it's members. They live and work in the community, they have been around a long time and nothing untoward has ever happened.
Except for one thing: a Muslim cleric was stabbed in the back in a neighborhood not far from my area. He was walking to his home from "services" minding his own business.
You say that you haven't seen Islamic leaders condemn violence, I take you at your word.
I certainly don't condone violence such as what happened to the Muslim Cleric by you. I believe in the non-aggression principal. If you don't know what that means, it's essentially pacifism with the caveat that you can use violence if you, your family/friends or your property is being threatened by somebody else.
I blame that death on more than the individual who dealt it though. I don't know if it is Muslim leaders that aren't speaking out against terrorist attacks by Muslims or the MSM is not reporting it, but there is some blame to be had at their feet as well.
To most of us, Islam seems to be nothing more than an ideology of hate and intolerance. The people move to other countries by the 10s of thousands and set up their own communities and rarely integrate with the people who live there. They preach sharia law, and call anyone who is not a Muslim an infidel and an enemy of their religion. They make women practically their slaves and throw gays off of buildings in their home countries. They make videos chopping of the heads of non-believers. There has been 3 gruesome terror attacks in the UK in the last 3 months.
No. I don't agree with the murder of that Cleric. But there will likely be more of that to come as tensions rise if the leaders of Islam don't come out and condemn those acts and start disciplining their own who even speak of committing violence upon others in the name of their God.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/05/europe/imams-london-burial/index.htm
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More than 130 British imams refuse to bury London attackers
Imams and religious leaders from across the country and a range of schools of thought have come together to issue a public statement condemning the recent terror attack in London and conveying their pain at the suffering of the victims and their families.
In an unprecedented move, they have not only refused to perform the traditional Islamic prayer for the terrorist – a ritual that is normally performed for every Muslim regardless of their actions – but also have called on others to do the same. They said:
“Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer over the perpetrators and we also urge fellow imams and religious authorities to withdraw such a privilege. This is because such indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam.”
For the full statement and list of signatories, see below.
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Muslim Imams and religious leaders condemn the Manchester and London terror atrocities and urge fellow Imams to refuse to perform Islamic funeral prayers for the terrorists
“We, as Muslim Imams and religious leaders, condemn the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London in the strongest terms possible. Coming from a range of backgrounds, and from across the UK; feeling the pain the rest of the nation feels, we have come together to express our shock and utter disgust at these cold-blooded murders.
We are deeply hurt that a spate of terror attacks have been committed in our country once more by murderers who seek to gain religious legitimacy for their actions. We seek to clarify that their reprehensible actions have neither legitimacy nor our sympathy.
Though at no time is it acceptable, that such ruthless violence was perpetrated during the season of Ramadan, in which Muslims worldwide focus on pious devotion, prayer, charity and the cultivation of good character, demonstrates how utterly misguided and distant the terrorists are from our faith and the contempt which they hold for its values.
Alongside our friends and neighbours, we mourn this attack on our home, society and people, and feel pain for the suffering of the victims and their families. We pray to God that the perpetrators be judged in accordance with the gravity of their crimes in the hereafter. Their acts and wilful dismissal of our religious principles alienates them from any association with our community for whom the inviolability of every human life is the founding principle (Q.5:32).
Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators and we also urge fellow imams and religious authorities to withdraw such a privilege. This is because such indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam.
These vile murderers seek to divide our society and instil fear; we will ensure they fail. We implore everyone to unite: we are one community. In the face of such dastardly cowardice, unlike the terrorists, we must uphold love and compassion.
Such criminals defile the name of our religion and of our Prophet, who was sent to be a mercy to all creation.
We commend our police and emergency services – with whom we stand shoulder to shoulder – for their rapid response, arriving at the scenes while risking their own lives to protect the victims and public. Their response exemplifies the courage, humanity and honour we must exhibit in such difficult times.
We pray for peace and unity, and for all the victims of terror both at home and across the globe, who are targeted, irrespective of their faith.”
1. Dr Timothy Winter, University of Cambridge
2. Imam Yunus Dudhwala, Head of Chaplaincy & Bereavement, Barts Health NHS Trust
3. Dr Abul Kalam Azad, Director General, Muslim Family Institute (MFI)
4. Muf
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That's a great start. This should be playing on every single television all over the globe.
Can anybody watching the news on either CNN/MSNBC and FOX tell me how much coverage this is getting?
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I will keep an eye out for this, but I agree with Brenda, this is good to see.
I guess this is what you've been looking for Six. Of course, we don't want these guys to be targeted by ISIS either, but this is the risk you take for freedom of religion.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
That's a great start. This should be playing on every single television all over the globe.
Can anybody watching the news on either CNN/MSNBC and FOX tell me how much coverage this is getting?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I will keep an eye out for this, but I agree with Brenda, this is good to see.
I guess this is what you've been looking for Six. Of course, we don't want these guys to be targeted by ISIS either, but this is the risk you take for freedom of religion.
I haven't bought into the anti-Trump stuff, especially the Russia narrative, but I haven't really said much good stuff about him either.
Nobody is going to want to admit it, but the fact that Obama isn't in office anymore was probably a large catalyst for this action. There is a renewed pushback against Islam now that Brexit and Trump happened, and that Le Pen came as close to winning France as she did, and the Populist movement is growing in Europe.
6 months ago our President wouldn't even say the word Terrorism. They got a free pass both in the U.S. and in Europe.
In the end, I think the changes happening now are going to be good for everybody in the long run.
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