Classified Documents Show Obama Spied on Americans for Years

POSTED BY: AURaptor
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AURAPTOR

Friday, May 26, 2017 3:17 AM

Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/

All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.

That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.

RIVERLOVE

Friday, May 26, 2017 3:40 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 26, 2017 5:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/

All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.

That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.

Oh, come on now - find a real source. Everybody knows ACLU is nothing but Right-Wing Extremists spouting anti-liberal hate speech, right?
You can't seriously believe anything those people say.

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

15? Wow! Republicans must of sucked back then! Let's hope we don't screw it up so bad with Trump.

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Back then? They're STILL sucking ! They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana after some deranged man child goes temper tantrum over a reporter asking him - QUESTIONS !! OMG !

And the best part ? Even if the GOP gets elected, the Dems STILL win, because - he's an IDIOT man child who bodyslammed a reporter, and now is part of the GOP Congress !!

Competent, intelligent, principled ... why is that so god damn hard to find in a country of 320 million people ???

1KIKI

Friday, May 26, 2017 10:07 AM

Well drat. I searched for, but couldn't find, a link to the original report.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 26, 2017 6:30 PM

IDK what to tell you 1kiki.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Op
in_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

the story is all over the place.

Just In: Declassified Documents Show Comey's FBI Leaked Info on Private Citizens to Third Parties

http://whp580.iheart.com/onair/buck-sexton-with-america-now-56597/just
-in-declassified-documents-show-comeys-15863648/#ixzz4iBcX0N6Z

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:05 PM

You guys know I'm no fan of Obama. I think we need to stop blaming him directly for things like this though.

Yep.... you heard me right.

It's not as if he was a evil man twirling his mustache behind that desk and he single handedly decided to spy on Americans for years. Similarly, as bad as the Patriot Act was to our basic rights, it wasn't only GWB that made that come to pass.

That was the mistake I made years ago. Blaming so much stuff only on GWB. I was infuriated about things that were going on, and GWB was a convenient punching bag to let out that frustration on. What good did that do anybody? The Patriot Act lived on and was even expanded upon, the NSA broadened it's scope, wars continued and even new ones were started under the regime change. Things just got worse.

Now we've got a new president that I thought might possibly change some of that but I'm not very convinced that they will ever change.

What we see now, 2 presidents later, is one "side" blaming Obama for what he did and the other "side" blaming Trump for what he is doing now. Most people don't even bring up GWB anymore.

The Presidents, Past and Present, are just scapegoats for us to throw tomatoes at until our arms get tired. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Hate the game.

I don't know how to change any of this, but I do know that nothing is going to change if we let them constantly manipulate us into fighting each other instead of coming up with any solutions.

THGRRI

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:36 PM

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm.

Read more: http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years
/#ixzz4iCOPTPi0

RIVERLOVE

Friday, May 26, 2017 9:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana

Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 27, 2017 6:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana

Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!

Yeah, I believed what I was seeing on the MSM. Fool me twice...

Fact remains, he was an idiot to lay hands on and body slam the reporter. That's just outright ridiculous, the day before the election, to snap like that and put into jeopardy all he and everyone worked so hard to achieve. Just pathetic.

But here's the flip side of the story. All the MSM are condemning him and trying to equate this to having something to do w/ Trump.

Where were all the concerned media when the DNC chair started chanting, in a public meeting " Fuck Donald Trump ! " , as he flips the middle finger ??

Where was the ' outrage' from the press when Maxine Waters openly stated " The TEA party can go straight to hell ! " ?

Sorry, but the lack of decency and decorum started with the Democrats, long ago. And when the media ignores some, and then amplifies the other, you're going to get an POLITICAL atmo like we have today.

Yes. I in part DO blame the media. They stopped being neutral observers and have been engaged in an open assault on the GOP and conservative Americans for some time now.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:01 AM

And they've given license to anybody who mindlessly agrees with them to be as rude and vile as they want to be to anybody who doesn't.

GWB was a terrible president in my eyes, yet I don't remember everyone going around saying Fuck Him. This whole damn world has gone crazy town.

OONJERAH

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:35 AM

6, I believe you are right.

I don't know what to say about it or how to explain how we got here ...
I wouldn't know how we got this nasty ... being an Ostrich with head
in sand, I didn't know at first that we had.

I woke up when Trump was elected, & I was appalled.
Did I want Hillary? No, not particularly.
Were there any independents running who might have been respectable?

So my friend T loves politics all his life & knows plenty about it.
"How could we elect Trump?" I asked him.

T: Most of the Republicans are such born again Christians, they'd be
very happy to escalate hostilities until we do Armageddon.
Twas also his way of saying the Republican Party leans heavily to the
batsh*t crazy side.

What I know is: There are some sane Republicans & some sane Democrats
who'd make fine US Presidents. Are they simply outnumbered?

Greg Gianforte wins a seat in MT special election & assaults a reporter
in public. Does anybody wanna change their vote?

Respect one another & pull for sanity.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
And they've given license to anybody who mindlessly agrees with them to be as rude and vile as they want to be to anybody who doesn't.

GWB was a terrible president in my eyes, yet I don't remember everyone going around saying Fuck Him. This whole damn world has gone crazy town.

Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Respect one another & pull for sanity.

Yeah O. It's almost scary now how bad it has gotten. When I was in here years back arguing with people about what a bad president Bush was sometimes it got a little out of hand in here, but that was just online talk with a bunch of anonymous strangers.

I've got a bunch of people in my family today that aren't even talking to each other anymore after the election and all the fighting and nasty stuff they said to each other on Facebook and I know that probably most people today knows somebody who's done that.

And the weeks of rioting and burning stuff and people marching around saying vile crap when Trump was elected. I'd like to think that if Hillary were elected that it wouldn't have happened, but I don't even know anymore.

People are just getting really nasty, and I think the MSM today is stoking the fire at every opportunity.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...

Alright... I'll change what I said. Of course there were some people who did that, but there always were dicks all throughout history. The difference 12-16 years ago is that they were the exception to the rule. People in general were just more decent back then.

And I'm very self aware of just what an old man saying that makes me sound like.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:21 PM

Quote:
That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't. - RAPPY

Why not? Where was the GOP? Didn;t they have a majority on Congress most of that time?

Quote:
15? Wow! Republicans must of sucked back then! Let's hope we don't screw it up so bad with Trump.- GSTRING

And people said that Alex Jones was crazy....

Not a Dem OR GOP problem. Both parties share blame.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

6, I believe you are right.

I don't know what to say about it or how to explain how we got here ...
I wouldn't know how we got this nasty ... being an Ostrich with head
in sand, I didn't know at first that we had.

I woke up when Trump was elected, & I was appalled.
Did I want Hillary? No, not particularly.
Were there any independents running who might have been respectable?

So my friend T loves politics all his life & knows plenty about it.
"How could we elect Trump?" I asked him.

T: Most of the Republicans are such born again Christians, they'd be
very happy to escalate hostilities until we do Armageddon.
Twas also his way of saying the Republican Party leans heavily to the
batsh*t crazy side.

What I know is: There are some sane Republicans & some sane Democrats
who'd make fine US Presidents. Are they simply outnumbered?

Greg Gianforte wins a seat in MT special election & assaults a reporter
in public. Does anybody wanna change their vote?

Respect one another & pull for sanity.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you claiming to be quoting me in this post, or are you asking me a question? Is it neither? Instead, if the T you reference is a personal friend, I'm afraid he is mistaken.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:26 PM

(probably deserves its own thread, but hell, Obama was all about undermining the USA... )

Obama admin knew gang members were part of illegal immigrant surge: Whistleblower

The Obama administration knowingly let in at least 16 admitted MS-13 gang members who arrived at the U.S. as illegal immigrant teenagers in 2014, a top senator said Wednesday, citing internal documents that showed the teens were shipped to juvenile homes throughout the country.

Sen. Ron Johnson, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said a whistleblower turned over Customs and Border Protection documents from 2014 detailing the 16 people who were caught crossing the border.

“CBP apprehended them, knew they were MS-13 gang members, and they processed and disbursed them into our communities,” Mr. Johnson, Wisconsin Republican, said.
The gang members were part of the surge of UAC, or “unaccompanied alien children,” as the government labels them, who overwhelmed the Obama administration in 2014, leaving Homeland Security struggling to staunch the flow from Central America.

Officials at the time said the children should be treated as refugees fleeing horrific conditions back home — though security analysts said the children were prime recruiting territory for gangs already in the U.S.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/24/whistleblower-dhs-know
ingly-let-ms-13-gang-members/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You guys know I'm no fan of Obama. I think we need to stop blaming him directly for things like this though.

Yep.... you heard me right.

It's not as if he was a evil man twirling his mustache behind that desk and he single handedly decided to spy on Americans for years.

Just because he couldn't grow a mustache does not absolve you from your delusion.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just because he couldn't grow a mustache does not absolve you from your delusion.

Please do me a favor and read the rest of the post JSF. Just because we generally tend to agree on most things politically I think I was making a valid point here and when you only quote the first 3 sentences it loses all of its value and does come off as crazy.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just because he couldn't grow a mustache does not absolve you from your delusion.

Please do me a favor and read the rest of the post JSF. Just because we generally tend to agree on most things politically I think I was making a valid point here and when you only quote the first 3 sentences it loses all of its value and does come off as crazy.

I did read your post, and just re-read it.

The remainder of your post did not pertain to your misstatement, which I quoted. I was pointing out your false statement proclaiming Obama to be innocent or blameless, devoid of responsibility for his evil or his rampant criminal actions.

When your argument is based upon false statements as foundation, your entire assembly is a House of Cards which collapses at the first hard look. I did not quote the argument you made following your false statement.

And yes, I do assume that most insane people view reasonable people as crazy, as well as the world around them as a whole.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana
Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!
Yeah, I believed what I was seeing on the MSM. Fool me twice...

Fact remains, he was an idiot to lay hands on and body slam the reporter. That's just outright ridiculous, the day before the election, to snap like that and put into jeopardy all he and everyone worked so hard to achieve. Just pathetic.

But here's the flip side of the story. All the MSM are condemning him and trying to equate this to having something to do w/ Trump.

Where were all the concerned media when the DNC chair started chanting, in a public meeting " Fuck Donald Trump ! " , as he flips the middle finger ??

Where was the ' outrage' from the press when Maxine Waters openly stated " The TEA party can go straight to hell ! " ?

Sorry, but the lack of decency and decorum started with the Democrats, long ago. And when the media ignores some, and then amplifies the other, you're going to get a atmosphere like we have today.

Yes. I in part DO blame the media. They stopped being neutral observers and have been engaged in an open assault on the GOP and conservative Americans for some time now.

Hey, RapKnight! I found an error in one of your postings!

Before the word atmosphere (why not just "atmo" - we've all seen Firefly?) you should use "an" instead of "a" already.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...
Alright... I'll change what I said. Of course there were some people who did that, but there always were dicks all throughout history. The difference 12-16 years ago is that they were the exception to the rule. People in general were just more decent back then.

And I'm very self aware of just what an old man saying that makes me sound like.

Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hey, RapKnight! I found an error in one of your postings!

Before the word atmosphere (why not just "atmo" - we've all seen Firefly?) you should use "an" instead of "a" already.

Done and done.

Thanks for keepin' me flyin' straight. You're my Wash, JSF!

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I did read your post, and just re-read it.

The remainder of your post did not pertain to your misstatement, which I quoted. I was pointing out your false statement proclaiming Obama to be innocent or blameless, devoid of responsibility for his evil or his rampant criminal actions.

When your argument is based upon false statements as foundation, your entire assembly is a House of Cards which collapses at the first hard look. I did not quote the argument you made following your false statement.

And yes, I do assume that most insane people view reasonable people as crazy, as well as the world around them as a whole.

I didn't say he was innocent or blameles or devoid of responsibility.

I'm saying that you or Rap or Hannity or O'Reilly are being inauthentic and irresponsible when you say that "Obama did this". Just like T and G and Second and Wish or Maddow are being inauthentic and irresponsible when they say that "Trump did this".

The point was that it gets us nowhere to point the blame at one person who is essentially untouchable, and then bicker and cat-fight amongst each other.

Same stupid fucking pattern I've seen since GWB and things just get worse all the time because they're just going to keep doing these things while we're busy fighting each other.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then you weren't looking very hard.

There were " F The President " bumper stickers , which were a direct counter to the supporters of W - The President.

Then there were books and movies made about ASSASSINATING President Bush...
Alright... I'll change what I said. Of course there were some people who did that, but there always were dicks all throughout history. The difference 12-16 years ago is that they were the exception to the rule. People in general were just more decent back then.

And I'm very self aware of just what an old man saying that makes me sound like.
Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.

I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
The truth is Trump really is that bad. Russia really just bent you /us over and had their way with us and people like you are too >blank< to understand. Trump makes us the laughing stock of the world. You thought it was bad under Bush? Did you travel outside the US when he was prez? Did you read anything political when Bush was prez? It's worse with Trump. Thank the godz we actually have a huge economy so we still have some cred in the world. Trump makes Bush seem almost regal by comparison. Trump is a flim flam man, a bad con artist, a 2 bit penny ante salesman in a cheap suit. He makes us all look bad and very little good will come from him except maybe he'll be the swift kick in the pants we all needed, "look what can happen if you don't work together!"
Are you seeing how demented he is? This guy needs handlers, dozens of them, just to keep him from taking his pants off in public. Thankfully, if all goes well, he will end up doing very little but work on his golf game. Fingers crossed that Fux News keeps bleeding reporters and they start to see a bigger audience wanting to hear about his mistakes. Thank the gods that there is so much public anger and outcry against him. Do you think all these people are being mad for fun??? I don't blame you really - if you don't read things you couldn't possibly know.

==============================

The problem is, you've got no credibility. You talked about Trump the same way back in November that you do today. And I don't just mean you personally, I mean everyone that is against him.

Never before in history did we see the crying, yelling, and rioting after a loss of a candidate as we did when Hillary lost. I say when Hillary lost, because I still think that deep down that is what is really bothering all of you still. It most definitely was when all of this started at around 2:30 AM on November 9th.

Since then, Trump hasn't gotten a single day off from the bashing and allegations from the MSM and what I assume is the loud and crazy minority on the left. Like I said in the other thread, a majority of American's really just don't care.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

They're gonna lose a deep red district in GA and are going to give away a sure win in Montana

Your crystal ball needs some Windex. The Republican won the election in Montana. Oops!

Yeah, I believed what I was seeing on the MSM. Fool me twice...

Fact remains, he was an idiot to lay hands on and body slam the reporter. That's just outright ridiculous, the day before the election, to snap like that and put into jeopardy all he and everyone worked so hard to achieve. Just pathetic.

But here's the flip side of the story. All the MSM are condemning him and trying to equate this to having something to do w/ Trump.

Where were all the concerned media when the DNC chair started chanting, in a public meeting " Fuck Donald Trump ! " , as he flips the middle finger ??

Where was the ' outrage' from the press when Maxine Waters openly stated " The TEA party can go straight to hell ! " ?

Sorry, but the lack of decency and decorum started with the Democrats, long ago. And when the media ignores some, and then amplifies the other, you're going to get an POLITICAL atmo like we have today.

Yes. I in part DO blame the media. They stopped being neutral observers and have been engaged in an open assault on the GOP and conservative Americans for some time now.

Hey RapKnight, when a word starts with a consonant, like "Political" you should lead it with "a" instead of "an" - and if the word starts with a vowel, like "atmo" then the rule is reversed.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.

I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.

I didn't know it was a sore spot for you. I had the impression you had a more casual perspective on it.
Some people miss things - like facts - because they have their Libtards blinders on, or keep up their FACTS Vaccine Booster shots. Some because of what you were doing. I was merely pointing out a fact you may have overlooked, not trying to start a fight or argument.

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:41 AM

I'm still waiting for a link to the original report.

The 'news' media must have had access to it, or they couldn't have reported on it so specifically. Why didn't they link it? Why isn't it on the inet?

Not that I don't trust reporters - but, OK, I don't. It's never a good thing to take what they say on faith.

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sorry, the MSM was not more decent back then.
You were just more drunk, so you likely weren't paying attention. Critical thinking is much more difficult when you are in that condition.

I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.

I didn't know it was a sore spot for you. I had the impression you had a more casual perspective on it.
Some people miss things - like facts - because they have their Libtards blinders on, or keep up their FACTS Vaccine Booster shots. Some because of what you were doing. I was merely pointing out a fact you may have overlooked, not trying to start a fight or argument.

My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:38 AM

Quote:
My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.

I know, that's been pulled on me a couple of times by certain posters here (and they know who they are). It does suck when someone pulls that lame shit, so I'm with you on this one Six. I think it's cheap and tawdry, and quite generally sucks elephant balls.

So, what I do is ignore it. It was the only, and best way for me to cope with it. Sometimes I let my anger get the best of me and I lash out at these "folks" - you know, give 'em a taste of their own medicine. But in the long run, it's not worth it. We all believe what we believe, and so we argue, fuss and fight to get our point across. But it seems some can't handle it, so they resort to insults. Then they ridicule you when you fire back. I see it as a form of bullying, it's all it is.

I'm being real here Jack. I'm not trying to snow you on this one. It's insulting and degrading, but little do they know that it's on them.

Okay, I'm stepping back with my "white flag" of truce.

SGG

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.

I know, that's been pulled on me a couple of times by certain posters here (and they know who they are). It does suck when someone pulls that lame shit, so I'm with you on this one Six. I think it's cheap and tawdry, and quite generally sucks elephant balls.

So, what I do is ignore it. It was the only, and best way for me to cope with it. Sometimes I let my anger get the best of me and I lash out at these "folks" - you know, give 'em a taste of their own medicine. But in the long run, it's not worth it. We all believe what we believe, and so we argue, fuss and fight to get our point across. But it seems some can't handle it, so they resort to insults. Then they ridicule you when you fire back. I see it as a form of bullying, it's all it is.

I'm being real here Jack. I'm not trying to snow you on this one. It's insulting and degrading, but little do they know that it's on them.

Okay, I'm stepping back with my "white flag" of truce.

SGG

I appreciate that SGG. I don't know exactly what happened with you that you were on the receiving end of this behavior and you don't' have to tell me what it was. Good for you for overcoming whatever it was and stay strong. Don't let the haters drag you down.

We've all got our demons. Unfortunately for some of us they made our presence known and others who have done a better job keeping theirs in the closet can use that against us. Personally, I think it serves to humanize us, particularly in the dehumanizing world that is The Internets.

I'll remember this, and I will try to keep my replies to you more cordial in the future because of it, no matter how much we obviously disagree on a lot of things.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:50 AM

One of the major offenders chimes in on schedule...

THGRRI

Thursday, June 1, 2017 2:59 AM

THGRRI

Thursday, June 1, 2017 3:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
One of the major offenders chimes in on schedule...

Make that two. Facts are facts, and if you stick to the facts and it applies, then its warranted.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, June 1, 2017 3:02 AM

And there's two.

Can we get Wish for the Three-Peat!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 2, 2017 5:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm still waiting for a link to the original report.

The 'news' media must have had access to it, or they couldn't have reported on it so specifically. Why didn't they link it? Why isn't it on the inet?

Not that I don't trust reporters - but, OK, I don't. It's never a good thing to take what they say on faith.

Is this what you are asking for?
I don't know if this works.

or else try links in this linky, about one-fifth the way down the virtual page, I think:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/fisa-court-finds-very-serious
-fourth-amendment-issue-obamas-widespread-illegal-searc

Or do these help?

http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/

You might be looking for key dates of 26 April 2017 and 26 October 2016. Hmmm, those dates are 6 months apart.

Those are supposed to be links that I posted. If they don't turn out, try "reply with quote" function to see the linky address I posted.

http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-
of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans

http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/05/24/report-obama-lied-and-obama-spied

If none of that is what you are asking for, can you elaborate more? Which document? Which date? Which source? Which report?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 2, 2017 6:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I didn't say the MSM was more decent back then. I said that people in general were more decent back then.

And seriously dude. Did you start taking debate lessons from T or something? Bringing up my drinking problem to "win" an argument I didn't even know we were having until now?

Go fuck yourself.

I didn't know it was a sore spot for you. I had the impression you had a more casual perspective on it.
Some people miss things - like facts - because they have their Libtards blinders on, or keep up their FACTS Vaccine Booster shots. Some because of what you were doing. I was merely pointing out a fact you may have overlooked, not trying to start a fight or argument.

My bad. I apologize. It's become the norm for one or two posters here to try to "win" arguments with me now by pulling the Drunk Card on me when they have nothing else. I admit that it has become something of a sore spot for me over time here because of that.

My post had more brevity than I intended due to time restrictions.
I normally don't read much of the blather from T, because I find it a waste of time. Sometimes I see that you engage in discussion with him (quoting his nonsense posts) and I just detour. I have seen him mention your situation, but did not know the frequency of his referring, or if it had grown to harping. I was not aware that it had become a sore spot for you - a lot of those discussion progressions/exchanges I have not followed.

Apology accepted.

1KIKI

Friday, June 2, 2017 6:19 AM

I appears to be. Thank you very much.

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Is this what you are asking for?
I don't know if this works.

or else try links in this linky, about one-fifth the way down the virtual page, I think:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/fisa-court-finds-very-serious
-fourth-amendment-issue-obamas-widespread-illegal-searc

Or do these help?

http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/

You might be looking for key dates of 26 April 2017 and 26 October 2016. Hmmm, those dates are 6 months apart.

Those are supposed to be links that I posted. If they don't turn out, try "reply with quote" function to see the linky address I posted.

http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-
of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans

http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/05/24/report-obama-lied-and-obama-spied

If none of that is what you are asking for, can you elaborate more? Which document? Which date? Which source? Which report?

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it, you really dislike freedom of speech and want to lock people up who pract

1KIKI

Friday, June 2, 2017 6:36 AM

1KIKI

Friday, June 2, 2017 6:37 AM

I appears to be. Thank you very much.

Broken to display: h ttps://ht ml2-f.scribdassets.com/38r1wf8slc5vvesk/images/1-01505551bc.jpg Interesting server it came off of.

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

RIVERLOVE

Friday, June 2, 2017 9:28 AM

Former White House operatives Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and John Brennan get subpoenas to testify about their roles in obtaining, unmasking, and leaking classified info to Obama Admin. and the Press for political gain, all felonies under Federal law. Pandora's Box, here we come, or not. They'll just take the fifth, but it might be entertaining nonetheless.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448161/susan-rice-john-brennan-s
amantha-power-unmasking-subpoenas-house-intelligence

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 2, 2017 6:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Former White House operatives Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and John Brennan get subpoenas to testify about their roles in obtaining, unmasking, and leaking classified info to Obama Admin. and the Press for political gain, all felonies under Federal law. Pandora's Box, here we come, or not. They'll just take the fifth, but it might be entertaining nonetheless.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448161/susan-rice-john-brennan-s
amantha-power-unmasking-subpoenas-house-intelligence

When THEY take the 5th, ( same as Lois Lerner, and others in the Obama admin ) we're constantly reminded that it is their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to do so !

If anyone else takes the 5th.... " What are they hiding ?? GUILTY !! "

SIGNYM

Friday, June 2, 2017 8:56 PM

Quote:
OMG - you bring it up waaaaay more than anyone else! And now you have the nerve to turn it into a cry for pity?!? Unbelievable. - GSTRING

GSTRING, in his full-on SJW mode, apparently can't stand the fact that two people seem to have reached the point of common human decency.

SHINY ... was it me that brought up... something? If it was, I don't know what it was. You don't have any demons, as far as I know. But even if you do (did), it's not something I like to poke at. So if I insulted you along those lines I apologize.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

1KIKI

Saturday, June 3, 2017 1:22 AM

Quote:
Former White House operatives Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and John Brennan get subpoenas to testify about their roles in obtaining, unmasking, and leaking classified info to Obama Admin. and the Press for political gain, all felonies under Federal law.

Does that mean they have to testify under oath?

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

THGRRI

Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:13 AM

Remember the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee? Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.)He's the one who held the press conference on the White House lawn complaining about unmasking. We now know it was he who was doing it. Holly shit, you can't make this shit up. And what's more, some here are so sick they won't recognize they are far right and far left dupes that are led around by the nose by these guys.

This thread is a partisan hack job and nothing more. Unless of course with see the bellyachers attack the republicans like they have attacked Obama here.

Since Rappy started this thread, perhaps he should go first.

Nunes-led House Intelligence Committee asked for ‘unmaskings’ of Americans

The Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee asked U.S. spy agencies late last year to reveal the names of U.S. individuals or organizations contained in classified intelligence on Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election, engaging in the same practice that President Trump has accused the Obama administration of abusing, current and former officials said.

The chairman of the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), has since cast the practice of “unmasking” U.S. individuals and organizations in classified reports as an abuse of surveillance powers by the outgoing Obama administration.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-led-house-intelligence-c
ommittee-asked-for-%e2%80%98unmaskings%e2%80%99-of-americans/ar-BBBQa7h?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

1KIKI

Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:16 AM

from THUGGER's LINK

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-led-house-intelligence-c
ommittee-asked-for-%e2%80%98unmaskings%e2%80%99-of-americans/ar-BBBQa7h?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

Officials familiar with the matter said that the committee’s requests focused on the identities of U.S. organizations that had been hacked by the Russians in 2016. Officials declined to say how many of the requests came from Democrats vs. Republicans.

A spokesman for Republicans on Nunes’s committee declined to comment on whether the panel made any requests for unmasking.

He added, “It is standard operating procedure for the House Intelligence Committee to forward all committee members’ questions from both parties to the appropriate agencies, whether or not they are answered. I refer you to committee Democrats for further questions on this subject.”

THUGGER, you have to learn to read more than the headline, because headlines almost always promise more than they deliver.

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I appears to be. Thank you very much.

Broken to display: h ttps://ht ml2-f.scribdassets.com/38r1wf8slc5vvesk/images/1-01505551bc.jpg Interesting server it came off of.

What have you found from the source documents? Assuming you have reviewed them, because I have not yet.

1KIKI

Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:35 AM

I did a little rifling around your links, to see if I could locate a complete document, or at least more of it. I didn't come up with anything. That's about as far as I got.

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

1KIKI

Monday, June 5, 2017 12:38 AM

however, zerohedge ran an article with links to other news sources

Quote:
NSA Whistleblower Accuses Agency Of "Mass Electronic Surveillance"

While former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney was burnishing his credentials as a master of the corporate turnaround during the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, US intelligence agencies were testing out their capabilities for mass electronic surveillance according to a recent Associated Press report*. [4]Ex-NSA spy Thomas Drake has alleged as much in a statement filed in support of a lawsuit brought by former Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson. Anderson has said that the lawsuit is designed to get more information about what he calls covert, illegal operations.

* http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OLYMPICS_NSA_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP
&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-02-20-04-38

In March, Wikileaks released “Vault 7,” [7] a collection of thousands of documents demonstrating the extent to which the CIA uses backdoors to hack smartphones, computer operating systems, messenger applications and internet-connected televisions.
An intelligence source quoted by WSJ *[8] said that Wikileaks revelations “were far more significant than the leaks of Edward Snowden."

* https://www.wsj.com/articles/wikileaks-posts-thousands-of-purported-ci
a-cyberhacking-documents-1488905823

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 5, 2017 2:41 AM

One of the things that people keep overlooking, which backs up the many claims that the NSA is spying on EVERYONE (per Snowden, Drake, Binney, Weibe, Crane, and others)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistl
eblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/how-pentagon-punished-
nsa-whistleblowers

... is the MASSIVE DATA CENTER IN UTAH, which was completed in 2103, has the capacity to hold somewhere between exabytes to yottabytes of data. This is a little hard to put in perspective, but the data center can hold either ALL of the information ... a complete electronic record ... of from 13 million people to 13 BILLION people .... more people than have ever been alive in the whole world.

Whatever the actual storage, it is NOT... repeat NOT .... just "metadata" (information about information) but actual detailed content of a person's emails, credit-card purchases, phone calls, google searches, online postings, investments, health records ... anything at all that creates an electronic footprint.

Quote:
Thomas Drake, a former NSA senior executive who revealed the agency’s invasive surveillance and reckless spending in 2006, believes the data center is almost certainly not focused on metadata. “I can put the metadata of the world in one room,” he said.

NO MATTER WHAT THE FBI, CIA, NSA, OR THE WHITE HOUSE SAY ABOUT OUR SECURITY STATE'S CAREFUL ADHERENCE TO PRIVACY RULES AND THEIR OBEISANCE TO THE FISA COURT, YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THEY ARE LYING.

Their infrastructure tells me so.

In fact, these people are PAID to lie. They will happily lie, and lie, and lie... under oath. I doubt we'll ever get the truth out of any of them about anything. It's never happened in my memory, anyway.

Quote:
Since its groundbreaking in 2011, analysts have estimated that the data center will have a data storage capacity of anywhere from exabytes to yottabytes. That’s a huge range: An exabyte is a billion gigabytes; a yottabyte is a million of those exabytes. The discrepancy stems from the simple fact that so little is known about the agency or its technological capabilities to process the intelligence gathered by hundreds of classified programs around the world.

The program revealed by Snowden in early June, known as PRISM, collects information from nine major American Internet companies: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. According to one top secret NSA slide about the program, it collects emails, chats, videos, logins, file transfers stored data, and “special requests” for further information made by the agency through warrants from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Beginning in September 2013, when the Utah Data Center is scheduled to be completed, this information, along with that harvested directly from fibreoptic and transcontinental submarine cables through a program known as FAIRVIEW, will all be likely be routed to the Utah Data Center. Based on interviews the Daily Dot has conducted with two NSA whistleblowers over the past two months, these programs appear to be as comprehensive as technologically possible. According to Mark Klein, the former AT&T computer network associate who blew on the NSA when it installed splitters directly into the company’s Internet cables, “What I know of the splitters is that they get everything.”

“They have established the technological infrastructure to spy on everyone,” Klein said.

https://www.dailydot.com/news/nsa-utah-data-center-capacity-surveillan
ce-storage/

Now, we can quibble about whether they can spy on 13 million people or 13 billion people or some number in-between, but the reality is that the snooping and storage infrastructure is far, FAR beyond anything that would ever be legally authorized in anyone's wildest scenario.

That, combined with the cooperative agreements that our security state has with the other anglophone security states (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, New Ze

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
from THUGGER's LINK

Officials familiar with the matter said that the committee’s requests focused on the identities of U.S. organizations that had been hacked by the Russians in 2016. Officials declined to say how many of the requests came from Democrats vs. Republicans.

A spokesman for Republicans on Nunes’s committee declined to comment on whether the panel made any requests for unmasking.

He added, “It is standard operating procedure for the House Intelligence Committee to forward all committee members’ questions from both parties to the appropriate agencies, whether or not they are answered. I refer you to committee Democrats for further questions on this subject.”

THUGGER, you have to learn to read more than the headline, because headlines almost always promise more than they deliver.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-led-house-intelligence-c
ommittee-asked-for-%e2%80%98unmaskings%e2%80%99-of-americans/ar-BBBQa7h?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

Hey stupid. I quoted the first paragraph which was the point of my post. So, I'll post it here again for you. It's you that needs to learn to read. What I posted is the authors point of view. You entirely missed represented what the author was saying. I would suggest you reread it but we both know your intent was to lie all along.

"The Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee asked U.S. spy agencies late last year to reveal the names of U.S. individuals or organizations contained in classified intelligence on Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election, engaging in the same practice that President Trump has accused the Obama administration of abusing, current and former officials said."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I did a little rifling around your links, to see if I could locate a complete document, or at least more of it. I didn't come up with anything. That's about as far as I got.

Which document(s) did you find incomplete?
Pages missing? Black-out redaction?

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 5:56 AM

Ah, here - from the ZeroHedge article - a link to the full (redacted) report.

https://www.scribd.com/document/349261099/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Ord
er-Apr-2017-4#from_embed

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:27 AM

So your search at this point is accomplished?

I await your review of the interesting bits of the source document.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I appears to be. Thank you very much.

Broken to display: h ttps://ht ml2-f.scribdassets.com/38r1wf8slc5vvesk/images/1-01505551bc.jpg
Interesting server it came off of.

Have you found other interesting stuff there?

RIVERLOVE

Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:14 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 9, 2017 5:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

Who's unmasking now?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:55 AM

Bumping another goody.

JO753

Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:24 PM

Ye! I cot Obama hiding in my clozet in 2013! Him and 2 ss goonz with a bunch uv survailens junk.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:52 PM

Okay, forget the fact that you just posted comments using the lefty leaning ACLU. Wouldn't that qualify as high treason in your neck of the woods, meaning the far right conservatives. I don't get it, aren't they persona non grata!

That "bastion of hard core conservative" wouldn't be the "Political Insider" would it? Aren't they a newsletter about conservative U.S. political issues (meaning they lean towards the right) which is produced by a marketing firm in Alexandria, Virginia?

So it's no surprise that they would be more than willing to criticize Obama and blame him for all the ills facing our country, even today, well into Trump's regime, er, I mean administration. My only other question is "What about Hillary?"
Where's her blame in all of this? You guys are slipping.

Then there's the FISA Court. Aren't they the ones you guys say were duped by the FBI? Which would mean that they are incompetent and incapable of managing the surveillance of bad guys. So, why believe them now?

And, of course, Bush did nothing wrong.

This post is extremely interesting.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/

All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.

That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:55 PM

There's Zerohedge again!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
however, zerohedge ran an article with links to other news sources

Quote:
NSA Whistleblower Accuses Agency Of "Mass Electronic Surveillance"

While former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney was burnishing his credentials as a master of the corporate turnaround during the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, US intelligence agencies were testing out their capabilities for mass electronic surveillance according to a recent Associated Press report*. [4]Ex-NSA spy Thomas Drake has alleged as much in a statement filed in support of a lawsuit brought by former Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson. Anderson has said that the lawsuit is designed to get more information about what he calls covert, illegal operations.

* http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OLYMPICS_NSA_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP
&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-02-20-04-38

In March, Wikileaks released “Vault 7,” [7] a collection of thousands of documents demonstrating the extent to which the CIA uses backdoors to hack smartphones, computer operating systems, messenger applications and internet-connected televisions.
An intelligence source quoted by WSJ *[8] said that Wikileaks revelations “were far more significant than the leaks of Edward Snowden."

* https://www.wsj.com/articles/wikileaks-posts-thousands-of-purported-ci
a-cyberhacking-documents-1488905823

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:00 PM

Quote:
In fact, these people are PAID to lie. They will happily lie, and lie, and lie... under oath. I doubt we'll ever get the truth out of any of them about anything. It's never happened in my memory, anyway.

So, the truth is "they will lie, lie, lie!"

So, I'm confused....are we NOT to believe this story, or posting is true. It's all based on lies.....is it not.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One of the things that people keep overlooking, which backs up the many claims that the NSA is spying on EVERYONE (per Snowden, Drake, Binney, Weibe, Crane, and others)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistl
eblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/how-pentagon-punished-
nsa-whistleblowers

... is the MASSIVE DATA CENTER IN UTAH, which was completed in 2103, has the capacity to hold somewhere between exabytes to yottabytes of data. This is a little hard to put in perspective, but the data center can hold either ALL of the information ... a complete electronic record ... of from 13 million people to 13 BILLION people .... more people than have ever been alive in the whole world.

Whatever the actual storage, it is NOT... repeat NOT .... just "metadata" (information about information) but actual detailed content of a person's emails, credit-card purchases, phone calls, google searches, online postings, investments, health records ... anything at all that creates an electronic footprint.

Quote:
Thomas Drake, a former NSA senior executive who revealed the agency’s invasive surveillance and reckless spending in 2006, believes the data center is almost certainly not focused on metadata. “I can put the metadata of the world in one room,” he said.

NO MATTER WHAT THE FBI, CIA, NSA, OR THE WHITE HOUSE SAY ABOUT OUR SECURITY STATE'S CAREFUL ADHERENCE TO PRIVACY RULES AND THEIR OBEISANCE TO THE FISA COURT, YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THEY ARE LYING.

Their infrastructure tells me so.

In fact, these people are PAID to lie. They will happily lie, and lie, and lie... under oath. I doubt we'll ever get the truth out of any of them about anything. It's never happened in my memory, anyway.

Quote:
Since its groundbreaking in 2011, analysts have estimated that the data center will have a data storage capacity of anywhere from exabytes to yottabytes. That’s a huge range: An exabyte is a billion gigabytes; a yottabyte is a million of those exabytes. The discrepancy stems from the simple fact that so little is known about the agency or its technological capabilities to process the intelligence gathered by hundreds of classified programs around the world.

The program revealed by Snowden in early June, known as PRISM, collects information from nine major American Internet companies: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. According to one top secret NSA slide about the program, it collects emails, chats, videos, logins, file transfers stored data, and “special requests” for further information made by the agency through warrants from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Beginning in September 2013, when the Utah Data Center is scheduled to be completed, this information, along with that harvested directly from fibreoptic and transcontinental submarine cables through a program known as FAIRVIEW, will all be likely be routed to the Utah Data Center. Based on interviews the Daily Dot has conducted with two NSA whistleblowers over the past two months, these programs appear to be as comprehensive as technologically possible. According to Mark Klein, the former AT&T computer network associate who blew on the NSA when it installed splitters directly into the company’s Internet cables, “What I know of the splitters is that they get everything.”

“They have established the technological infrastructure to spy on everyone,” Klein said.
https://www.dailydot.com/news/nsa-utah-data-center-capacity

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SIGNYM

Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:48 PM

Quote:
So, the truth is "they will lie, lie, lie!"
So, I'm confused....are we NOT to believe this story, or posting is true. It's all based on lies.....is it not. - SHH

Dood. why would anyone out themselves from a very cozy (and dangerous) cabal, give up their job, home, girlfriend, and family, just to lie?

When people get tired of lying they become whistleblowers. And whistleblowers may be mistaken, but they generally don't lie. There have been quite a few of them who've gone to prison, suffered professionally and personally to bring you formerly hidden information. Maybe you should understand that sacrifice a little bit more, instead of pretending to be "confused".

That massive data center? You don't have to take anyone's word for it. Go out to Utah and take a picture of it, if you're so doubtful.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/

All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.

That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.
Okay, forget the fact that you just posted comments using the lefty leaning ACLU. Wouldn't that qualify as high treason in your neck of the woods, meaning the far right conservatives. I don't get it, aren't they persona non grata!

That "bastion of hard core conservative" wouldn't be the "Political Insider" would it? Aren't they a newsletter about conservative U.S. political issues (meaning they lean towards the right) which is produced by a marketing firm in Alexandria, Virginia?

So it's no surprise that they would be more than willing to criticize Obama and blame him for all the ills facing our country, even today, well into Trump's regime, er, I mean administration. My only other question is "What about Hillary?"
Where's her blame in all of this? You guys are slipping.

Then there's the FISA Court. Aren't they the ones you guys say were duped by the FBI? Which would mean that they are incompetent and incapable of managing the surveillance of bad guys. So, why believe them now?

And, of course, Bush did nothing wrong.

This post is extremely interesting.

SGG

You just can't handle the truth, if it doesn't have the Libtard slant you crave, can you?

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 26, 2018 11:14 AM

Yeah sure, I'm addicted to the truth.............lies, what are they?

Only you know the real truth, of course you do. Meanwhile, the sources you name are lefty leaning.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Okay, forget the fact that you just posted comments using the lefty leaning ACLU. Wouldn't that qualify as high treason in your neck of the woods, meaning the far right conservatives. I don't get it, aren't they persona non grata!

That "bastion of hard core conservative" wouldn't be the "Political Insider" would it? Aren't they a newsletter about conservative U.S. political issues (meaning they lean towards the right) which is produced by a marketing firm in Alexandria, Virginia?

So it's no surprise that they would be more than willing to criticize Obama and blame him for all the ills facing our country, even today, well into Trump's regime, er, I mean administration. My only other question is "What about Hillary?"
Where's her blame in all of this? You guys are slipping.

Then there's the FISA Court. Aren't they the ones you guys say were duped by the FBI? Which would mean that they are incompetent and incapable of managing the surveillance of bad guys. So, why believe them now?

And, of course, Bush did nothing wrong.

This post is extremely interesting.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not 'some unnamed sources', not ' some partisan blogger on the inter webs ' , but the bastion of hard core conservative ...

Describing them as “serious constitutional abuses,” a Circa report has revealed that previously top secret documents show that President Barack Obama spied on Americans for years.

The National Security Agency (NSA), according to the report, “routinely violated American privacy protections” and “failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claim these newly disclosed violations rank as some of the most serious to ever be documented.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/classified-documents-obama-spying-years/

All those alleged infringements the media screamed about George W Bush having done, could have , MIGHT have done... Obama actually did , and far worse.

That puts the total to about 15 things Obama SHOULD have been impeached over, but wasn't.
You just can't handle the truth, if it doesn't have the Libtard slant you crave, can you?

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 26, 2018 12:07 PM

First, I'm sure the "massive" data center exists. By my stating that I'm "confused" is simply me trying to illustrate a point. It's not me "pretending" just pointing out the irony is all.

Does the article produce all the info needed to make an informed analysis?
I'm sure the whistleblowers had the best of intentions to expose wrongdoing
by the government. And perhaps their findings are correct and truthful. From what I read it is hinted at in the article that there is little oversight by Congress to regulate and control the amount of surviellance upon Americans.

It is also suggested that perhaps there should be a law, or request, to declassify the above named documents. Spying on Americans is not new, it has been going on for decades. Government behaving in secrecy is also not new. So please, spare me. There's more to this than headline news and partial reporting. The president has his foibles, but so too does Congress, in many ways. They can request that the documents regarding this latest sensational news item be declassified. Then maybe we could get some answers, but don't hold your breath.

All I'm saying is that you missed the point of my critique. But, there you have it.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
So, the truth is "they will lie, lie, lie!"
So, I'm confused....are we NOT to believe this story, or posting is true. It's all based on lies.....is it not. - SHH
Dood. why would anyone out themselves from a very cozy (and dangerous) cabal, give up their job, home, girlfriend, and family, just to lie?

When people get tired of lying they become whistleblowers. And whistleblowers may be mistaken, but they generally don't lie. There have been quite a few of them who've gone to prison, suffered professionally and personally to bring you formerly hidden information. Maybe you should understand that sacrifice a little bit more, instead of pretending to be "confused".

That massive data center? You don't have to take anyone's word for it. Go out to Utah and take a picture of it, if you're so doubtful.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Monday, March 26, 2018 2:34 PM

"Does the article produce all the info needed to make an informed analysis?"

Which article are you referring to? Signy linked 3.

(And for the record, I did not *just* link ZH, I dug out and linked original documents to confirm my post.)

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?