Trumps Broken Promises
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But, let me note: NOT TRUMP'S DOING.
Or can't you tell the difference between Obama fostering a coup in Honduras; and another in Ukraine and leaving that country a smoking ruin; bombing Libya, and leaving THAT country a smoking ruin crawling with jihadists (who then went to England to bomb a concert); fostering a coup in Syria AND bombing it AND sending arms to jihadists and leaving THAT country way beyond being a smoking ruin; drone strikes by the hundreds - 563 strikes to be exact; and creating a relentless program of spying and data collection ...
... and Trump inheriting all that?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Obama inherited a bunch of bullshit too. But the moment he ordered his own drone strike, I hated him, and he proved himself to be as much a part of the deep state nonsense as anyone before him.
I will say I have no proof of the following, but I'm not convinced that Trump doesn't represent a war between factions of the deep state, and that Trump falling into line the way he has indicates a mending of that divide. He has never seemed like an anti-establishment candidate to me, just a pro-corporate pro-establishment candidate who says a lot of abhorrent things, so people think he's just an honest talker instead of a fool.
However, I don't think we'll agree on anything from this point on, and I also don't think we'll convince each other, so beyond trying to answer your question I don't believe I can contribute much more to this conversation.
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I'm of two minds about Trump and his relation to the Deep State.
He's done stuff that looks like he's on board - bombing a Syrian airfield - and then stopped. His words go in all directions. He goes back to reopen agreements everyone assumed were settled.
I don't think we'll know what Trump is about until we see how it shakes out on balance. That's why I keep asking what Trump has DONE.
But so far, he still seems to be focused on ISIS and not Russia as the enemy. That, to my mind, is an anti deep state direction.
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I am really wondering why there is so much disagreement at this point that Trump is a terrible person who should never have been a candidate for president. He does not have the personality or moral character for the job - or rather compared to the last few presidents he DOES, which is a deeply disappointing commentary on America in general.
^ What Byte said.
AND ... I am so Olde, I can remember when we liked our Presidents.
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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.
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Quote:Trump watches too much TV. I think Trump's mind was warped by the media's obsession with American weapons, which sanitizes violence and makes it harder to think critically about why Presidents use deadly force.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm of two minds about Trump and his relation to the Deep State.
He's done stuff that looks like he's on board - bombing a Syrian airfield - and then stopped. His words go in all directions. He goes back to reopen agreements everyone assumed were settled.
I don't think we'll know what Trump is about until we see how it shakes out on balance. That's why I keep asking what Trump has DONE.
But so far, he still seems to be focused on ISIS and not Russia as the enemy. That, to my mind, is an anti deep state direction.
"How the media’s weapons fetish primes US for war"
Cable news’ love of firepower glamorizes violence
www.vox.com/2017/5/29/15628004/strikethrough-media-weapons-bomb-tomaha
wk-moab-syria
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Whatever, SECOND.
What has Trump DONE ? Stop obsessing about what people claim is going on in his head. Or what they claim he did - especially if they weren't there and are in no position to know. Or what he says. Or his tweets. Because they seem to be tactically geared to a particular audience at a particular time for a particular effect.
Focus on the facts of what he's actually DONE. COMPLETED. IN EFFECT. That way, you're less likely to get sucked into a narrative who's ONLY purpose is to propagandize you.
FOCUS ON THE FACTS OF WHAT TRUMP HAS ACTUALLY DONE.
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"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
AND ... I am so Olde, I can remember when we liked our Presidents.
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I don't know Oonj. Since Kennedy - there was Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. AFAIK none of them were particularly universally liked or admired.
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Quote:Trump has done nothing tangible but kill some children in Yemen. Also a federal court told the president directly that he’s lying. Neither is much of a positive accomplishment for Trump.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Whatever, SECOND.
What has Trump DONE ? Stop obsessing about what people claim is going on in his head. Or what they claim he did - especially if they weren't there and are in no position to know. Or what he says. Or his tweets. Because they seem to be tactically geared to a particular audience at a particular time for a particular effect.
Focus on the facts of what he's actually DONE. COMPLETED. IN EFFECT. That way, you're less likely to get sucked into a narrative who's ONLY purpose is to propagandize you.
FOCUS ON THE FACTS OF WHAT TRUMP HAS ACTUALLY DONE.
A substantial majority of the judges who sit on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond delivered a rather remarkable judgment last week: The president of the United States is not to be believed. I concur with the Court’s majority opinion.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/court-says-essentially-that-trump-is-n
ot-be-believed-will-supreme-court-conclude-the-same/ar-BBBC5Ch?ocid=spartanntp
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Botched raid. Let me add, bombed Syrian air field.
As for the fourth circuit ruling, the majority opinion didn't call Trump a liar. It didn't even say he was 'not to be believed'. Here's the ruling. Find your claims - if you can. http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/171351.P.pdf And it will probably go forward to the Supremes. It's not a done deal.
So, ACCORDING TO YOUR LIST - Trump's not bad. He's certainly not worth the endless howling you've been doing from BEFORE day one.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
AND ... I am so Olde, I can remember when we liked our Presidents.
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I don't know Oonj. Since Kennedy - there was Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. AFAIK none of them were particularly universally liked or admired.
FDR 1933-45, Truman 1945-53, Eisenhower 1953-61, JFK 1961-63
I was born late '42, so of course, too young to remember FDR.
3 Terms, he was incredibly popular. Guess Truman's popularity
was about average. "I like Ike" was a campaign slogan; but no,
we loved Ike. JFK & Jackie were as royalty to many folks.
For those of us old enough, I often say, "We all remember where we
were & what we were doing when we heard that Kennedy had been shot."
Been all downhill from there?
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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.
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