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Trump shared classified information with Russian officials

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:20 PM

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]Originally posted by THGRRI: I see SIG is trying to rewrite her history regarding Trump.


When I find my posts and quote them here, will I finally get the apology I so richly deserve from you? Will you finally admit you're a know-nothing lying troll?

Of course not,

That's because you're a lying, know-nothing troll.

Not my most immediate project ever, but here's a hint: Even SECOND, who is about as rabidly anti-Trump as one can imagine, didn't challenge me on that post, and the reason why is that she reads with comprehension. Unlike... er.... you.






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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:51 PM

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The circumstantial evidence against Trump grows with each passing day. - THUGR
The circumstantial evidence against Trump is about as solid as the circumstantial evidence against Iraq. Various allegations boil up but then evaporate ... the narrative is a constantly-shifting kaleidescope, none of which is meant to be remembered, exactly, or to represent anything real. It's just meant to dazzle you with images.

I'm really surprised that people who SHOULD BE old enough to know better ... who certainly remember the lies that got us into destroying Libya, and Iraq, and Panama, Yugoslavia, and Vietnam (to name a few) still swallow whole everything that the security state spits out which the MSM dutifully regurgitates. If you've experienced all of these things and presumably remember what happened and learned from it, how can you be so anchorless and rudderless? It seems to me that the press pounds on one thing one day, then switches tacks and pounds on another thing another day and there you are.... dutifully forgetting what you heard the day, or the month, or the decade before; following the latest pronouncements breathlessly without independent judgment or memory.


Well, I'm going to pull a SECOND, and quote some of the media here, since you seem to value it so highly ...,


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:58 PM

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Just consider the accusations that have been leveled at the president:

He has betrayed the Constitution, which he swore to uphold.
He has committed treason by befriending Russia and other enemies of America.
He has subjugated America’s interests to Moscow.
He has been caught in fantastic lies to the American people, including personal ones, like his previous marriage and divorce.

President Donald Trump?

No, President John F. Kennedy.

What lots of Americans don’t realize, because it was kept secret from them for so long, is that what Trump has been enduring from the national-security establishment, the mainstream press, and the American right-wing for his outreach to, or “collusion with,” Russia pales compared to what Kennedy had to endure for committing the heinous “crime” of reaching out to Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union in a spirit of peace and friendship.

They hated him for it. They abused him. They insulted him. They belittled him. They called him naïve. They said he was a traitor.

All of the nasties listed above, plus more, were contained in an advertisement and a flier that appeared in Dallas on the morning of November 22, 1963, the day that Kennedy was assassinated. They can be read here and here.

Ever since then, some people have tried to make it seem like the advertisement and flier expressed only the feelings of extreme right-wingers in Dallas. That’s nonsense. They expressed the deeply held convictions of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, the conservative movement, and many people within the mainstream media and Washington establishment.

In June 1963, Kennedy threw down the gauntlet in a speech he delivered at American University, now entitled the “Peace Speech.” It was one of the most remarkable speeches ever delivered by an American president. It was broadcast all across the communist Soviet Union, the first time that had ever been done.

In the speech, Kennedy announced that he was bringing an end to the Cold War and the mindset of hostility toward Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union that the U.S. national-security establishment had inculcated in the minds of the American people ever since the end of World War II.

It was a radical notion and, as Kennedy well understood, a very dangerous one insofar as he was concerned. The Cold War against America’s World War II partner and ally had been used to convert the United States from a limited-government republic to a national-security state, one consisting of a vast, permanent military establishment, the CIA, and the NSA, along with their broad array of totalitarian-like powers, such as assassination, regime change, coups, invasions, torture, surveillance, and the like. Everyone was convinced that the Cold War — and the so-called threat from the international communist conspiracy that was supposedly based in Russia — would last forever, which would naturally mean permanent and ever-increasing largess for what Kennedy’s predecessor, President Dwight Eisenhower, had called the “military-industrial complex.”

Suddenly, Kennedy was upending the Cold War apple cart by threatening to establish a relationship of friendship and peaceful coexistence with Russia, the rest of the Soviet Union, and Cuba.

Kennedy knew full well that his actions were considered by some to be a grave threat to “national security.” After all, don’t forget that it was Guatemalan President Jacobo Arbenz’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him ousted from power by the CIA and presumably targeted for assassination as part of that regime-change operation. It was Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that made him the target of Pentagon and CIA regime-change operations, including through invasion, assassination, and sanctions. It was Congo leader’s Patrice Lamumba’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him targeted for assassination by the CIA. It would be Chilean President Salvador Allende’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friend

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 4:21 PM

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Civil wars are perhaps the most tragic and bitter, when a country goes to war on itself – and it’s brother against brother, homesteads destroyed by other compatriots.

Today, the United States of America seems to be at war with itself again. Not yet an all-out bloodletting as in the Civil War of 1861-65, but nevertheless the nation seems to be plunging into an internecine process of shredding itself, pulling down the very edifice of the state.

There’s even reports of married couples splitting in divorce because of the growing political divisions.

The governing business of running the country is held hostage by incessant political scrapping; the institutions of governance appear in meltdown from eroding authority.

This time around, it’s not northern states versus the south, or over industrialists wanting to usurp landowners, or moral questions of race and slavery. The current war is due to powerful factions within the political class not willing to accept the election of Donald Trump.

Indeed. The security state is pulling down Trump just like they've pulled down any number of other elected leaders with hyped-up "color revolutions". Destabilization is a well-practiced art among our security agencies. Just like terrorism, why would anyone think that it stops magically at our borders?

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Trump was not supposed to win the presidential election in November 2016, as far as ruling class elements were concerned. His Democrat rival Hillary Clinton was the favored candidate owing to her deep connections to the foreign policy establishment and corporate news media.

Trump’s avowed stance to normalize relations with Russia was the number-one bugbear for the US establishment which preferred Clinton’s more hawkish outlook as part of extending its global hegemonic ambitions.

As always, the American ruling class is variegated. No doubt there are powerful Wall Street and corporate factions among American capital that are indifferent about the actual election result, or perhaps even rather pleased by it. Trump, so far, seems to be rather disposed to pandering to corporate America with generous tax-breaks for the wealthy, so there is no problem there for many among the American ruling class.

Where the problem arises is more within the political class of foreign policy establishment, straddling the Republican-Democrat career politicians in Washington, the intelligence community and the security-military apparatus, the CIA, Pentagon and their assets or class sympathizers within the corporate media. This is the deep state complex, although not all within the deep state may hold the same hostile view of Trump. Enough evidently do in order to sustain a political war against Trump’s presidency.

The whole Russia-gate “scandal” just keeps running and running regardless of objective proof. Never, it seems, has so much political and media time been spent on a nebulous issue which has such negligible substance. It’s a classic case of tilting at windmills.

It's also a classic case of Americans driven into distracted lunacy by the endless media yammering over nothing.

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Earlier this week, James Clapper, the former national intelligence director, reiterated in a media interview that he has seen no evidence of “collusion” between the Trump election team and Russian state agents. Clapper then goes on mealymouthed to say: “I can’t confirm or deny it”.

People like Clapper and the former FBI chief James Comey continually hint at a Russia-gate scandal, but they never present any evidence. They should either put up or shut up. For to not do is nothing less than political witch-hunting. The purpose of which is to undermine President Trump’s mandate. And it is all given full vent by politicians and media who wittingly or unwittingly rally behind the American paranoia of Russophobia.

We may loathe Trump’s personality or his crony-style politics, but the fact is that he was elected on November 8. The question then is: do we accept the result of democracy?

It seems

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 7:22 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Well, I'm going to pull a SECOND, and quote some of the media here, since you seem to value it so highly ...,

Too long, didn't read. I am going to pull a Signym, who is all opinion all the time. Trump has not released his tax returns. There is tax cheating that Trump does not want revealed or else he would have long ago kept his promise to make those returns public information. And then there are his properties and loans. Every one of them is a perfect opportunity for Trump to receive a bribe. None of this has been investigated; any irregularity could be enough to send him to jail. The media can’t cover any of this because it does not have the power to subpoena documents and witnesses or to wiretap. The deep state has been protecting Trump, leaving the media with only cruel gossip about Trump, who hates being gossiped about.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 8:51 PM

I can't tell if Second is being sarcastic or if she actually meant what she said there. "The Deep state has been protecting Trump".

You should play Signey more often Second.



I don't actually ever recall Trump promising to release his tax forms. I'm not saying it didn't happen, and maybe you could show me a video where he said it, but I thought he just deflected any questions about it.

Whether or not the public or even the MSM have it is moot. They might need a subponea to make that available to the public, but they do not need that to investigate it themselves. That's called an audit, and the IRS can do it to anybody they want at any time for any reason.

That leaves two possibilities on the table regarding Trump and his taxes.

1. There's nothing damning in them.
2. The "deep state" or whatever you want to call it is protecting Trump.

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:39 PM

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That leaves two possibilities on the table regarding Trump and his taxes.

1. There's nothing damning in them.
2. The "deep state" or whatever you want to call it is protecting Trump.- SIX

There's a third possibility, and it's that the deep state isn't getting much traction with the tax return issue.

Just think about all of the negatives that have been trotted out about Trump: "pussy-grabber", "golden showers" client, tax returns, conflict of interest, anti-Muslim, anti-gay ... most of those flashed in the pan and disappeared. The one thing that reliably gets people's attention is scaring them with some sort of "national security" story. Otherwise it's just "meh" from a lot of people.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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That leaves two possibilities on the table regarding Trump and his taxes.

1. There's nothing damning in them.
2. The "deep state" or whatever you want to call it is protecting Trump.- SIX

There's a third possibility, and it's that the deep state isn't getting much traction with the tax return issue.



That is a 3rd possibility. I don't even see T or G talking about that one anymore. But the fact that Second brings it up again now must mean that somebody is still talking about it occasionally in the MSM even if it isn't a major focus.

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Sunday, May 21, 2017 3:01 AM

Like A LOT of things claimed about Trump, I'm keeping my eye out for, yanno, evidence. And like everything else, I'm still not seeing any. That this is still being flogged indicates somebody thinks it's gaining ground.

We must be a nation of the gullible.

Whoever said advertising doesn't work?




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, May 21, 2017 3:01 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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That leaves two possibilities on the table regarding Trump and his taxes.

1. There's nothing damning in them.
2. The "deep state" or whatever you want to call it is protecting Trump.- SIX

There's a third possibility, and it's that the deep state isn't getting much traction with the tax return issue.



That is a 3rd possibility. I don't even see T or G talking about that one anymore. But the fact that Second brings it up again now must mean that somebody is still talking about it occasionally in the MSM even if it isn't a major focus.



SECOND brings it up because She understands what's going on outside these threads. You are clueless and SIG has a pro-Russian agenda. She is in the business of deflection and misinformation. She posts false and inaccurate information, which is deliberately intended to deceive. Put another way, she is a troll.





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