Trump shared classified information with Russian officials
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Really!? Okay, I'll bite.
The Memo establishes the mindset of one individual, Comey. But it also would produce nothing more than a "he said/he said." Comey's word against the president's. Granted, I'll give you that one. Nothing can be proved, no one can say that Trump merely wanted to exchange baking recipes with Comey.
Mueller could only ask questions regarding fact, not opinion.
Mueller: Mr. Vice President, besides yourself was there any other persons in the Oval Office on the day in question?
Pence: Yes, there was the president, Director Comey and AG Sessions.
Mueller: What happened next? Did there come a time when the president asked you to leave the room?
Pence: Yes
Mueller: Did you find that normal or did you find it a bit odd?
Pence: Normal
Mueller: Normal? So the president has done this before? When and with whom?
If Pence answers: Odd
Mueller's next question would be: How so? What did you find odd?
I don't know anything because I wasn't there. Just two men know the truth. It's Mueller's job to gather the facts and present them to Congress so as to determine
the truth of the matter. If it is that Trump, Pence and Sessions tell the truth, and that truth is that Trump did not obstruct justice. Well then, the matter will be solved in the president's favor. Nothing to see here, move along. (And Trump could stick out his middle finger at the naysayers).
Now I'm not a criminal trial attorney, but I am leaning one way.....towards Trump being guilty as charged (figure of speech, I know nothing has been proven yet).
But here's why I'm leaning toward GUILTY.
1- Trump has been known to stretch the truth a bit many, many times. (the whole birther fiasco; the wiretap bullshit)
2- The Flynn controversy, they knew he was under investigation, and the hits just keep on coming
3- the Tax returns
And that's just my short list. Every time Trump opens his yapper, various kinds of horse and bull manure appears instead of hot air. But let's say that all of the above are just gossip and hearsay. Granted, the Special Counsel must gather sufficient evidence to make his case. And from what I understand, Mueller is trying this as a criminal investigation. What are the rules? I don't know exactly, but here are some rules:
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A criminal case is brought by the local, state or federal government in response to a suspected violation of law and seeks a fine, a jail sentence or both.
If Mueller gathers enough evidence to bring Impeachment proceedings, which is a long and political process...
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First, the House of Representatives votes on one or more articles of impeachment. If at least one gets a majority vote, the president is impeached — which essentially means being indicted. (In both the Nixon and the Clinton cases, the House Judiciary Committee considered the matter first.)
Next, the proceedings move to the Senate, which holds a trial overseen by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.
A team of lawmakers from the House, known as managers, play the role of prosecutors. The president has defense lawyers, and the Senate serves as the jury.
If at least two-thirds of the senators find the president guilty, he is removed, and the vice president takes over as president.
So talk of impeachment is just that, talk, well for now at least. But Mueller will likely question the parties involved and hold off on using the memos until after he has finished conducting his depositions. And, once he has finished gathering all the facts in the case. I would imagine that Mueller would use the memos as materially factual based upon Comey's prior use of said memos, or how he used these
memos in other cases. That's just a guess, but he would need to establish use of the memos as circumstantial evidence.
Basically: You walk into a room, you turn on the lights and see that the floor is wet; you look in the hallway and see the maintenance man walking around with a bucket and mop. So you can as
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So yeah, not an Ace in the Hole.
I don't think anybody really respects Comey. That includes Democrats, although many might not admit it at this point in time, because "Strategy". Everybody has been a fair-weather fan of his for several years now. Whichever way the wind blows. I'd say he did it to himself, but I don't really believe that he was acting of his own accord. I think there were people pulling his strings. I just can't figure out why.
If Trump is going to get the boot, they're going to need a lot more than memos of a disgruntled ex-employee Comey to do it. He's the biggest scapegoat we've seen this century. At least the biggest since Bartman was blamed for the Cubs losing the 2003 National League Championship.
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Quote:You are assuming that Trump won't lose more ball games in the future. Trump seems to have a knack for making things that should be easy for him much, much harder.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
If Trump is going to get the boot, they're going to need a lot more than memos of a disgruntled ex-employee Comey to do it. He's the biggest scapegoat we've seen this century. At least the biggest since Bartman was blamed for the Cubs losing the 2003 National League Championship.
His trip to Israel will be, at best, a delicate clean-up operation.
That’s because Trump has compromised the Israeli intelligence services, backtracked on promises he made to the Israelis over altering US settlement policy and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, and wandered into a decades-old debate over the sovereignty of the holy city itself.
Then there is the sad fact that Trump doesn’t understand how to negotiate with foreign powers. Who knows what he will give away on his 9 day overseas trip? Who knows how mad he will make his allies in Congress and overseas? Trump may lose 9 games in a row before he returns to DC.
https://hbr.org/2016/04/what-donald-trump-doesnt-understand-about-nego
tiation
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I can't see the future. Nobody wins all the games.
I just don't think he's under .500 right now.
I'm not happy about some of the REAL issues and choices that he's made so far, but I'm still not buying into any of this Russia narrative. Let's see some actual proof that isn't circumstantial or based off of anonymous sources or angry fired people please.
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Quote:www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2017/05/19
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I can't see the future. Nobody wins all the games.
I just don't think he's under .500 right now.
I'm not happy about some of the REAL issues and choices that he's made so far, but I'm still not buying into any of this Russia narrative. Let's see some actual proof that isn't circumstantial or based off of anonymous sources or angry fired people please.
Trump mindlessly, impulsively dismisses the FBI director. He then surrounds it with a bodyguard of lies — attributing the dismissal to a Justice Department recommendation — which his staff goes out and parrots. Only to be undermined and humiliated when the boss contradicts them within 48 hours.
Result? Layers of falsehoods giving the impression of an elaborate cover-up — in the absence of a crime. At least Nixon was trying to quash a burglary and associated felonies. Here we don’t even have a body, let alone a smoking gun. Trump insists there’s no there there, but acts as if the there is everywhere.
I forgot that Trump did the same thing again: Trumped divulged classified information to the Russians. Once again, the cover-up far exceeded the crime. Trump had three top officials come out and declare the disclosure story false. The next morning, Trump tweeted he was entirely within his rights to reveal what he revealed, thereby verifying the truth of the story. His national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, floundered his way through a news conference, trying to reconcile his initial denial with Trump’s subsequent contradiction. It was a sorry sight.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-
highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.3bcae2e412a9
The usual unnamed officials, anonymous sources, and undisclosed reports.
And the caveat in the original WaPo story; "As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law."
There's not much 'there', there.
A true black swan event . 1kiki displays signs of cogent, rational thought.
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If Trump goes down, he may take Pence with him. In which case it would be Paul Ryan who would take over. 
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Result? Layers of falsehoods giving the impression of an elaborate cover-up — in the absence of a crime. At least Nixon was trying to quash a burglary and associated felonies. Here we don’t even have a body, let alone a smoking gun. Trump insists there’s no there there, but acts as if the there is everywhere.
I forgot that Trump did the same thing again: Trumped divulged classified information to the Russians. Once again, the cover-up far exceeded the crime. Trump had three top officials come out and declare the disclosure story false. The next morning, Trump tweeted he was entirely within his rights to reveal what he revealed, thereby verifying the truth of the story. His national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, floundered his way through a news conference, trying to reconcile his initial denial with Trump’s subsequent contradiction. It was a sorry sight.
All the more reason that I really believe that there is no "there" there...
Humor me for a moment Second...
Take a step back and look at what is happening here. How many people have been ousted or have voluntarily left since Trump took office? How many career politicians, even GOP politicians working for Trump have been embarrassed?
He wants to prove that the MSM is fake news. What better way than to behave as if he IS guilty and flaunt that and provoke the media and the Democrats and even the GOP and cultivate this firestorm to the point where people are demanding justice with pitchforks on the steps of the White House only to lower the curtain and show that there was nothing going on at all...?
What an embarrassment for so many politicians, especially the GOP politicians that acted against him that are not going to be voted back in 2 years from now. What an EXTREME embarrassment and possibly a career killer for people like Rachel Maddow who's gone all in on this Russian narrative.
When I was young, I would drive around with cigarette tobacco rolled up to look like a joint, and sometimes with a bottle of soda in a brown bag and smoke and drink in front of cops that I pulled up next to. My plates were legal. My lights all worked. My license was up to date and I had insurance. I was provoking a response from them, and in the end there was nothing they could do about it because I wasn't doing anything wrong.
I could be wrong about this, but this is what I really believe is going on.
Nobody would act the way that he is acting unless they were beyond reproach.
Unless you are right and Trump is either crazy or senile or just stupid or all of the above....
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Quote:Actually, SECOND, it is the PERFECT analogy to what is happening today. I never said that Trump was a man of the people. I HAVE posted more than once that I thought he represented a DIFFERENT 0.01% than the one currently in control. Let's call them "the nationalists" (Trump) versus the globalists/ deep state (Hillary and parts of the alphabet agencies). See? George Washington was a nationalist elite, fighting the British Empire (globalists). Not everyone was "for" the revolution. There were many people among the revolutionaries who were intemperate, passionate, quixotic even.
There are several things wrong with your "just look at colonial America". George Washington, richest man in North America, was the general. His army officers were the elite of the colonies. His army was only thousands because the millions of colonists would not fight on his side. The top 1% have been running it from the beginning.- SECOND
Now.
Let me repeat what I've said about Trump at various times, all of which I still believe to be true ....
Bullshitter, with a slippery view of "the truth"
Always wanting to configure situations so that he, himself, is the only negotiator
Loose cannon, changeable goals
Naive (some of his policies don't mesh with other of his policies like Iran/ Syria v Russia, or infrastructural repair and tax cuts v budgetary restraint)
Not able the make the economy recover
In fact, unable to keep MOST of his domestic promises
Representing a different faction of the elite than those currently in power, not a man of the people
I knew all that before the election, and posted so. And yet .... despite his many, varied, and fundamental flaws*, I still found him preferable to Hillary. Why do you suppose that is???
And I still find him preferable, because right now, many of the American deep state (ie treasonous globalists) are squealing. And the more they make up anti-Trump/Russian shit to throw against the American psyche to see what sticks, the more I think he's on the right track. Every flurry of NEW! ANONYMOUS! allegations just make me wonder what else Trump did to piss off the deep-state asshats.
* Which do not include pussy-grabber, "golden showers" client, or Russian pawn
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BTW, I found your exchange with SIX to be revealing. SIX asked you, multiple times, what YOU YOURSELF thought of the Democratic hyper-partisanship, and these were your answers:
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The problem is that Trump ...
If Congress can ...
It must be fine because the Republicans ...
I've said more than once that you never post YOUR opinion or YOUR thoughts on anything, you just go to your favorite websites and post what someone else thinks. Why is that?
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Quote:SHINY, I have a personal question: How old are you? I'm just trying to figure our how far back your memory goes, so that I don't refer to things that are outside of your experience.
And now we have Mueller taking over the investigation on the [alleged] Russian Hack. So I hope that he calls for Comey's memos [unprovable allegations] and holds them close to the vest. Those memos are his Ace-in-the-Hole. [HAHAHAHA!] When he gets a hold of those greedy bastards that sold their souls to Russia, he can question them from a position of strength; since he, and not everyone in the world, will know what's in those memos.
Of course, the White House and Trump will deny, deny, deny...but once he gets all the information, he'll have them choking on their own words. Comey should not testify until the Special Hangman has had a chance to unravel this mess.- SHINY
Quote:Of course they do! It has been historically and provably demonstrated time and time again, and not just 100 years ago but within the living memory of almost everyone here. And yet, you continue to deny known fact.
It was also reported by the NY Times. Of course, there are many misinformed people that believe the Right-Wing hype of the MSM - the Mainstream Media. The Right-Wingers fall for the crap that newspapers and news outlets, like the Times, make shit up.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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