Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 00:47
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^^^ I didn't mean to say you were stupid. I ment to point out that if there is even one story of voting fraud it should be on the news... but it isn't.
And you're right, I've been declared a "conspiracy theory". The election was won by Bush, Tom Browkaw said so. 
HA! If you believe that...
A Stolen Election?
editorial | Posted November 9, 2004
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041129&s=corn
Then there's the issue of who is running the show. Only a few companies manufacture electronic voting machines. They are not transparent. They do not use open-source code.
Last year, Walden O'Dell, the head of Diebold, a leading manufacturer of touch-screen machines, declared in a fundraising letter for the Ohio Republican Party that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
That hardly inspired confidence.
And across the country, oversight of voting is conducted by partisan officials. In Ohio, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican and conservative activist, oversaw the voting. On his watch, the polling place for Kenyon College was equipped with only two voting machines. Yet about 1,100 people--mostly students--wanted to vote there. These voters (and you can guess whom they preferred) had to wait up to nine hours. It doesn't require much cynicism to suspect that this was no accident.
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Originally posted by NeutrinoLad:Quote:
Besides the media has been extremly anti-bush for a while now.
Why do people believe this?
(It's a rhetorical question, I'll answer it.)
Because it's their ox being gored. That's why.
Anyone who thinks the media is anti-Bush probably had the gut reaction that the media was also pro-Clinton.
Which is a viewpoint so deluded as to impinge on insanity. Which shouldn't surprise me, as the notion of voting for Clinton or Bush is also, in my opinion, quite mad.
Great point.
It's a switcheroo. Basically, since what the Bush/Cheney White House is doing is insane and illegal they have to attack they who will point out the obvious - journalists. Notice the Republicans attack "liberals" instead of simply the position of other parties. They attack peoples beliefs and people themselves (like all the childish jerks attacking me on this thread without one mention of the thread topic)... which is facile and frankly remenicent of the sort of rhetoric heard in 1930s Germeny.
Unluckily, each news outlet in the USA is a right wing Repulican supporter. Each form of news Americans see is owned by one of three massive corporations. And corporations are insane too, so they make great bed fellows for Bush/Cheney.
But something new is in the mix, the Internet, which is why the rhetoric has gone from attacking the news as "liberal media" to the Internet. Specifically Bloggers.
But it isn't bloggers who scare the Republicans it's the Internet itself as it can present information unfiltered through corporate teeth. It takes away the control of the corporation and government to "manufacture concent" on issues like the useless Iraq Invasion, Bushs' fundementalism, 100000 dead women and children in Iraq, and yet another stolen election in what used to be the worlds symbol of freedom and a bright future.
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The OSCE Preliminary report contradicts the suggestion that The American election was strife with fraud.
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2004/11/3779_en.pdf
In general it appears that the largest difficulty was the number of voters (10 million + more then any previous election) and their ability to vote in a timely fashion.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
But something new is in the mix, the Internet, which is why the rhetoric has gone from attacking the news as "liberal media" to the Internet. Specifically Bloggers.
But it isn't bloggers who scare the Republicans it's the Internet itself as it can present information unfiltered through corporate teeth. It takes away the control of the corporation and government to "manufacture concent" on issues like the useless Iraq Invasion, Bushs' fundementalism, 100000 dead women and children in Iraq, and yet another stolen election in what used to be the worlds symbol of freedom and a bright future.
Actually Bloggers scare the elite media period. Dan Rather and his media cronies lamented the fact that bloggers were quick to point out the fallacy of the "Forged" documents. I am researching this aspect. As I understand it, there have been calls by the media to limit bloggers. There are very few media sources that are pro-conservative or rather unbiased (In that they allow the conservative side to be heard at all). Fox tends to be conservative leaning and becaiuse of it, they are blowing CNN and MSNBC out of the water in ratings. What bothers me about this is that media in general SHOULD be unbiased. They SHOULD be required to pose only facts and figures, not opinion (unless it is specifically characterized as opinion).
The majority of the American media outlets are very much pro-fringe liberalism and partisan towards the democratic party in terms of opinion and donation. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Chris Matthews, Katie Couric, Walter Cronkite, Judy Woodruff (Still on suicide watch I believe), Wolf Blitzer..Not to mention all the News Outlets that endorsed Kerry and the Democrats publicly..shall I go on hehe.. (It's frightening really).
Then you have the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaughs (I still can't believe this guy is on the air), Michael Savages etc.. who though very conservative are vastly outnumbered.
What is most interesting to me is the effect that bloggers in general are having on the political process as well as the effect they are having on the media figureheads. It also makes me wonder to what effect did Media play a part in directing previous elections and administrations.
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It's not the bloggers specifically Connerflynn... the medium is the message!
Originally posted by Ghoulman earlier...
The media is owned by three (well, 5) monsterous multinational Corproations. Each one a Bush supporter.
Anti-Bush media isn't on TV at least.
Let me muse a little on this concept of so called "liberal media".... shall I?
The "liberal media" charge comes only out of the Republican camp. And it's a lie. This sentement has been used by right wing liars since Nixon. The purpose is to imply a bias on the part of a media that, *pfft*, just parrots whatever belief the Government wants the public to believe anyho'.
Walter Cronkite once said that journalists often report stories from the point of view of the poor and disinfranchiased to offset government excess and pork barrel elite greed. This often brought a charge of "liberal media" from the right wing ... this is the real "liberal media".
So basically, the charge of "liberal media" is based on Republicans skewing the truth about people doing thier job.
Nixon! 
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Liberals are just delusional, there was no fraud, they can not stand how irrelevant they have become.
The Truth
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In every single instance I could find, in every state and by every polling operation, Bush went up in the tally as compared to the exits, while Kerry went down. Nothing is statistically impossible, but that was d*mn unlikely. It's not one particular instance or another that begs for an explination, it's the confluence of instances.
BTW the person who was first crying about it was an apparently conservative blogger who was saying it was a conspiracy by the liberal media to suppress the conservative vote. But between the time I saw it and went back for it (15minutes) it had disappeared. I suspect someone had written saying SSHHHH !! You FOOL! Bush WON! What are you trying to do ??
And the independent pollsters are chagrined to say the least. Polling is their only business. Have the tools suddenly broken?
I would certainly like to see a comprehensive AND UNBIASED study of what happened, with of course all outcomes up for consideration - there was a perfect statistical polling storm, a connecting influence, a previously unknown source of bias, or something wrong with the voting process itself. Surely you couldn't object to that, could you?
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Thanks RUE.
And the FACT that the US election was a fraud is still an issue no matter how much the neofascists want to attack me.
Ask Ralph. My hero!
Nader wants every ballot legally verified
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=qw1100186102957U213&set_id=1&cli
ck_id=3&sf=
November 11 2004 at 05:32PM
Washington - Ralph Nader, an independent presidential candidate this year, has called for recounts of the November 2 voting results, saying that amid allegations of irregularities, he wanted to ensure every ballot was counted.
Nader, who this year drew about one percent of the vote nationally, told a press conference on Wednesday that he was speaking out for the "thousands" of American voters asking for recounts and not on his own behalf.
"Over 2 000 citizens, including voting rights advocates, are urging in writing the Nader Camejo campaign to help make sure every vote is counted and counted accurately. The Nader Camejo campaign does not view the election to be over merely because concession speeches, which have no legal effect, have been given. Rather they are over when every vote is counted and legally certified," Nader said
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Fuck Tom Browkaw! 
Media ignoring election fraud
Gayle Rogalski
Delray Beach
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/letters/sfl-pbmail979xnov15,0
,4998399.story?coll=sfla-news-letters
I would like to thank the authors of two Nov. 9 letters, regarding the real results of the Nov. 2 election. These letters are the only mention I have seen in the media about the fraudulent election we just had.
Obviously, the mainstream media has been unable to print the truth about this election. For those of us who thought we voted for the candidates of our choice, our votes very well may not have been counted that way. For instance, in Baker County, where 69.3 percent of 12,887 registered voters are Democrats and 24.3 percent are Republicans, the supposed Democratic vote count was 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush. Does anyone believe that is correct?
Apparently this was repeated in enough places to shift just enough votes from one candidate to the other. Manipulation of the main computers compiling the total votes can be very easily and quickly accomplished as we have just seen.
Of course everyone knew Ohio would be manipulated after a major Republican and CEO of a voting machine company vowed to do anything he had to to get Bush re-elected.
This is the tip of a very crooked iceberg. This election (as well as the 2000 election) and this country were hijacked by the people with the most power in this country. Of course, the paper trail addition to voting machines that was fought so hard for and at every turn denied in this state alone allowed for this fiasco to be.
Obviously voting in this country is no longer a means to elect our public servants. It is quite obvious many of these people are not serving us but their own agendas. Please call your congressional representatives and demand an investigation of this fiasco. The future necessitates people waking up and taking responsiblity for their government before it's too late if it isn't already.
Learn what is really going on from alternative sources because you are not being told the truth by anyone else. Learn what is going on and what you can do to help change it and take back our country. The future of your children and grandchildren depend
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Fuck the New York Times! ... oh wait...
MAKING VOTES COUNT
About Those Election Results
EDITORIAL...
Published: November 14, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/14/opinion/14sun1.html?oref=login
I'd like to quote this paragraph in particular as it points out just how insane the American election has become...
The outrageous decision by Warren County, Ohio, to lock down the building where votes were being counted is an extreme example of another serious problem with the elections: a lack of transparency. In some states, reporters are barred from polling places. The wild rumors about Cuyahoga County, Ohio, where the official results appeared to include an extra 90,000 votes, were a result of its bizarrely complicated method of posting election results, which is different in even- and odd-numbered years. The nation needs to develop an election culture in which officials in every part of the country automatically keep things as open - and as simple - as humanly possible.
... different in even and odd years???
WHAT THE FFFFFFF...
Sorry... loosing it here!
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