Trump speech Feb 28
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The full Trump transcript is below:
President Donald Trump's address to Congress Tuesday as prepared for delivery.
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congress, the First Lady of the United States, and Citizens of America:
Tonight, as we mark the conclusion of our celebration of Black History Month, we are reminded of our Nation's path toward civil rights and the work that still remains.
Recent threats targeting Jewish Community Centers and vandalism of Jewish cemeteries, as well as last week's shooting in Kansas City, remind us that while we may be a Nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning hate and evil in all its forms.
Each American generation passes the torch of truth, liberty and justice –- in an unbroken chain all the way down to the present.
That torch is now in our hands. And we will use it to light up the world. I am here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength, and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart.
A new chapter of American Greatness is now beginning.
A new national pride is sweeping across our Nation.
And a new surge of optimism is placing impossible dreams firmly within our grasp.
What we are witnessing today is the Renewal of the American Spirit.
Our allies will find that America is once again ready to lead.
All the nations of the world -- friend or foe -- will find that America is strong, America is proud, and America is free.
In 9 years, the United States will celebrate the 250th anniversary of our founding -- 250 years since the day we declared our Independence.
It will be one of the great milestones in the history of the world.
But what will America look like as we reach our 250th year? What kind of country will we leave for our children?
I will not allow the mistakes of recent decades past to define the course of our future.
For too long, we've watched our middle class shrink as we've exported our jobs and wealth to foreign countries.
We've financed and built one global project after another, but ignored the fates of our children in the inner cities of Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit -- and so many other places throughout our land.
We've defended the borders of other nations, while leaving our own borders wide open, for anyone to cross -- and for drugs to pour in at a now unprecedented rate.
And we've spent trillions of dollars overseas, while our infrastructure at home has so badly crumbled.
Then, in 2016, the earth shifted beneath our feet. The rebellion started as a quiet protest, spoken by families of all colors and creeds -– families who just wanted a fair
shot for their children, and a fair hearing for their concerns.
But then the quiet voices became a loud chorus -- as thousands of citizens now spoke out together, from cities small and large, all across our country.
Finally, the chorus became an earthquake – and the people turned out by the tens of millions, and they were all united by one very simple, but crucial demand, that America must put its own citizens first ... because only then, can we truly MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
Dying industries will come roaring back to life. Heroic veterans will get the care they so desperately need.
Our military will be given the resources its brave warriors so richly deserve.
Crumbling infrastructure will be replaced with new roads, bridges, tunnels, airports and railways gleaming across our beautiful land.
Our terrible drug epidemic will slow down and ultimately, stop.
And our neglected inner cities will see a rebirth of hope, safety, and opportunity.
Above all else, we will keep our promises to the American people.
It's been a little over a month since my inauguration, and I want to take this moment to update the Nation on the progress I've made in keeping those promises.
Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Softbank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, havNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Thredbare.
He haz set such a low bar for himself that not mentioning hiz record breaking election fantasy makes this hiz best speech ever.
He didnt fail to include an outraje tho.
Prezenting the crying widow uv the seal team guy az a prop for a lie about the failed mission & leading a rediculously long applauz wuz disgusting.
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The respons by Steve Bashear did a good job uv dispelling the fog Trump wuz trying to put out.
Wuts left sitting in the cold lite iz that the idea wuz to do a sort uv 'reset' to hopefully get everybodyz mind off the Russia thing.
Not going to work.
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I didn't watch the speech, but I just finished reading it here. Thanks for posting it Signey.
Anyone who knows me since back in the GWB years knows that the economy is one of my biggest issues. That being said, I liked almost everything he had to say, except the part about funding one of the largest increases in Defense spending. I'm not sure how that is a "goal" when part of the speech was about the 6 Trillion wasted in the last few decades in the Middle East that could have rebuilt our infrastructure 2-3 times.
I liked how he stated for the record these facts though:
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Ninety-four million Americans are out of the labor force.
Over 43 million people are now living in poverty, and over 43 million Americans are on food stamps.
More than 1 in 5 people in their prime working years are not working.
We have the worst financial recovery in 65 years.
In the last 8 years, the past Administration has put on more new debt than nearly all other Presidents combined.
Let's see if something really happens to turn that stuff around.
As for the rest of it, I liked it. I'm sure the regulars are going to be nit-picking things, but I don't see what's not to like overall. I certainly don't agree with J0's assessment that it was threadbare. I thought it was very uplifting and full of a lot more substance than any of Obama's bullshit about "Hope and Change".
Anybody can say a lot of nice stuff though. Time to walk the walk, Mr. Trump.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Then you like to be lied to. http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/trumps-address-to-congress/
Obama wuz a great prez, going by the numberz.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/
especially considering he did it with the GoPS hanging off hiz ass like aligatorz the entire time.
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LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. :)
From your second link...
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The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median.
A majority of those jobs are minimim wage/part time jobs that replaced a lot of full time jobs you could make a living off of.
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The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession.
That doesn't take into account under-employment. See above.
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Corporate profits are up 166 percent;
I believe that.
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real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent.
Assuming 4% inflation every year, compounded, 3.4% overall increase in weekly wages over 8 years is terrible.
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There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance.
Yeah, at the cost of everyone I know who makes quite a bit less than 100k a year paying more than double for health insurance than they did before the ACA started with double the deductible.
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The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big annual deficits have continued.
Yeah... what Trump said.
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Doing the math, if wages were to have kept up with inflation, instead of real weekly take home pay seeing an increase of only 3.4%, it should be 36.85%
Let's start with a weekly take home rate of $100 to simplify it. Assuming a 4% increase to keep up with inflation, the numbers would look like this.
Year 0: 100
Year 1: 104
Year 2: 108.16
Year 3: 112.48
Year 4: 116.98
Year 5: 121.66
Year 6: 126.53
Year 7: 131.59
Year 8: 136.85
If your weekly take home pay increased 36.85% in the last 8 years, you have kept even with inflation. Anything less than that means your getting compensated less for the same amount of work than 8 years ago.
If you are only making 3.4% more now than you did 8 years ago, you have taken a 30%+ hit in pay in the last 8 years.
Conversely, with corporate profits being up 66% under Obama's administration, corporations have increased their average yearly earnings almost as much as the average American's compensation has decreased.
EDIT 2: Considering more than half of Americans are making less than the federal poverty level, I'd say that a large part of that 3.4% increase was the two small minimum wage increases in 2008 and 2009.
Jul 24, 2007 $5.85 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2008 $6.55 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2009 $7.25 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:This was, perhaps, the most inauthentic part of Trump's entire speech. He exonerated his own bad judgment by insisting yet again that the Yemen raid was "highly successful."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TRANSCRIPT: . . .
I just spoke to General Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom –- we will never forget him.
It wasn't. It was hastily planned because Trump wanted to show that he was tougher on terrorism than Obama. Instead of going over the plan in detail in the Situation Room, he casually approved it over dinner. The raid itself was a mess, apparently because the SEAL team was detected going in. Ryan Owens was killed, a helicopter was destroyed, none of the targets were killed, and contra General Mattis, it seems to have produced hardly any worthwhile intelligence at all.
Instead of taking responsibility for this, Trump has done the usual: blamed everybody else. He's implied in the past few weeks that it was Obama's fault. He's implied it was the military's fault. And when he's not doing that, he simply claims that it was a huge success and only the FAKE MEDIA says otherwise.
So naturally it became part of his speech to Congress.
Yemen SEAL Raid Has Yielded No Significant Intelligence: Officials
www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-signifi
cant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
"Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into President Trump's administration?" Bill Owens, whose youngest son Ryan was killed during the raid, said. "For two years prior ... everything was missiles and drones in Yemen....Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump gets 96 standing ovations, but Firefly was cancelled. Does that seem right to you? The best part of the spectacle was when the loaves of bread were tossed into the crowd and Senators McCain and Graham struggled with each other, almost coming to blows for possession of the last marble rye.
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Quote:The federal government will NOT be raising the minimum wage faster than inflation. Don't expect any help from Trump on that. Coal mining industry employment is NOT coming back to your state, unless you live in Wyoming. Don't expect any help from Trump on that, either, because open pit mines are cheaper than underground.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. . . . A majority of those jobs are minimum wage/part time jobs that replaced a lot of full time jobs you could make a living off of.
www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/2/21/14671932/donald-trump-coa
l-mining-jobs
The Rural Electrification Act of 1936 brought progress to the poorest parts of the USA, but neither Trump nor Obama can repeat that trick. If your state is doing poorly compared to other states, it will be doing poorly 8 years from now, because the federal government ran out of cheap and easy tricks like electrification a long time ago. Note the words "cheap and easy".
Trump and new trade treaties are NOT cheap and easy like he claims it will be, but you will find out in the next 8 years exactly how very slowly improvement will come to your state from new factories. Sadly, a state changes for the better very slowly, but citizens can move very fast to states where the big money already is. The trouble is that it is not an easy trick and Trump won't help you move.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/28/upper-class-elites-migh
t-hate-trump-but-they-were-key-to-his-success/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Again great points SECOND. I would add that no one is being real. Robots are expected to replace some five million jobs by 2020 here. In Britain it's more like 10 million. I don't see how our government can claim they are preparing for this, when they give speeches like Trumps that don't even mention it.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The federal government will NOT be raising the minimum wage faster than inflation. Don't expect any help from Trump on that. Coal mining industry employment is NOT coming back to your state, unless you live in Wyoming. Don't expect any help from Trump on that, either, because open pit mines are cheaper than underground.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. . . . A majority of those jobs are minimum wage/part time jobs that replaced a lot of full time jobs you could make a living off of.
www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/2/21/14671932/donald-trump-coa
l-mining-jobs
The Rural Electrification Act of 1936 brought progress to the poorest parts of the USA, but neither Trump nor Obama can repeat that trick. If your state is doing poorly compared to other states, it will be doing poorly 8 years from now, because the federal government ran out of cheap and easy tricks like electrification a long time ago. Note the words "cheap and easy".
Trump and new trade treaties are NOT cheap and easy like he claims it will be, but you will find out in the next 8 years exactly how very slowly improvement will come to your state from new factories. Sadly, a state changes for the better very slowly, but citizens can move very fast to states where the big money already is. The trouble is that it is not an easy trick and Trump won't help you move.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/28/upper-class-elites-migh
t-hate-trump-but-they-were-key-to-his-success/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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It's the first speech of this kind made by a president, I didn't watch in a very long time. I would say after reading it and seeing excerpts of it, wow the bar has been lowered. I think you two know what I mean. It's also apparent the man struggles with the truth. And that's an understatement.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Prezenting the crying widow uv the seal team guy az a prop for a lie about the failed mission & leading a rediculously long applauz wuz disgusting.
I totally agree. I saw the shot of the group of representatives from the armed forces, stone faced, and I wondered what they felt about it deep down (not what they would say on camera).
That's how far he'll stoop and how far out of touch he is with the people who voted for him.
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I was ready to believe Trump on this statement, but then I checked. Trump, just an old-time salesman, deliberately made a misleading statement and more than tripled the actual cost, so far, of war.
Quote:Trump is using a long-term cost estimate; the actual amount spent so far is $1.7 trillion.
Trump: "America has spent approximately $6 trillion in the Middle East, all this while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With this $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country — twice. And maybe even three times if we had people who had the ability to negotiate."
In a report released this month, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service said that the Department of Defense estimates that the U.S. has spent $1.7 trillion on “war-related activities” from 2001 through Sept. 30, 2016. That includes military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44519.pdf
Trump may be referring to a long-term estimate by a Boston University political science professor, Neta Crawford. She puts the long-term cost of the war on terrorism at between $4.8 trillion and $7.9 trillion when including future costs for such things as veterans’ medical and disability costs, debt service on borrowed money, and war-related spending in the Department of Homeland Security. http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2016/Costs%20
of%20War%20through%202016%20FINAL%20final%20v2.pdf
Trump is right about the cost of war being high, but the $6 trillion he cites has not been spent yet — so he’s not correct in saying “with this $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country.”
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/01/fact-checking-presiden
t-trump-first-address-congress/98537824/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by G:
http://slate.me/2lzm43X
Trump’s Tribute to a Slain Navy SEAL Was Crassly Manipulative
It’s all about the ratings!
In addition to that weird note, a few other things about the moment rang false.
Trump cited Defense Secretary James Mattis to defend the proposition that the operation resulted in valuable intelligence, even after the Pentagon blew its credibility on this issue by posting a 10-year-old video that it mistakenly said had been seized in the raid. Other officials have said the raid produced no significant intelligence data at all.
The mention in the speech also comes after the commander-in-chief brazenly passed the buck to his military commanders in an interview with Fox & Friends on Tuesday morning, saying, “this was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something that was, you know, just they wanted to do. And they came to see me and they explained what they wanted to do. My generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe, and they lost Ryan.”
Trump got to point to Owens’ wife in the chamber tonight, but the commando’s father has very publicly refused to meet with the president. William Owens has called for an investigation into the decision to launch the raid and has told administration officials who are reluctant to look into the matter, “Don’t hide behind my son’s death.”
No such luck.
I'm curious about what the dead navy seals father said. It doesn't matter if it was planned under Obama's watch. What matters is did they update their intelligence on the compound before gong? Or did they rush in because of Trump. Things are in constant motion and could have changed drastically in that amount of time.
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Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises. Has he kept any?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-a
re-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.2810f30d23f7
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Quote:Bill Owens, whose youngest son Ryan was killed during the raid, said, "Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into Trump's administration? For two years prior ... everything was missiles and drones in Yemen....Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I'm curious about what the dead navy seals father said. It doesn't matter if it was planned under Obama's watch. What matters is did they update their intelligence on the compound before gong? Or did they rush in because of Trump. Things are in constant motion and could have changed drastically in that amount of time.
Obama officials declined to sign off on what officials described as a significant escalation in Yemen. Just five days in, Trump greenlighted the mission. Trump was “spring-loaded to move out and demonstrate something.” And a very impressive demonstration it was! Trump is not just a multi-billionaire but also a bold military genius! Congratulations!
A $70 million U.S. aircraft was destroyed by the Pentagon, not by the enemy. The pilot broke it when he landed and then the military bombed it so the enemy could not take selfies while seated in the cockpit, for the next four years, which would embarrass Trump. The Pentagon already has at least three investigations into the raid underway. Well done, Commander-in-Chief Trump! Well done!
www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-signifi
cant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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What you post is true. I will say though, the wife of the navy seal deserved to hear what Trump said. Her loss and pain are genuine. Also, when we shoot to kill is different from when we go for human intelligence and laptops. This raid was about the latter.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Bill Owens, whose youngest son Ryan was killed during the raid, said, "Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into Trump's administration? For two years prior ... everything was missiles and drones in Yemen....Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I'm curious about what the dead navy seals father said. It doesn't matter if it was planned under Obama's watch. What matters is did they update their intelligence on the compound before gong? Or did they rush in because of Trump. Things are in constant motion and could have changed drastically in that amount of time.
Obama officials declined to sign off on what officials described as a significant escalation in Yemen. Just five days in, Trump greenlighted the mission. Trump was “spring-loaded to move out and demonstrate something.” And a very impressive demonstration it was! Trump is not just a multi-billionaire but also a bold military genius! Congratulations!
A $70 million U.S. aircraft was destroyed by the Pentagon, not by the enemy. The pilot broke it when he landed and then the military bombed it so the enemy could not take selfies while seated in the cockpit, which would embarrassed Trump. The Pentagon already has at least three investigations into the raid underway. Well done, Commander-in-Chief Trump! Well done!
www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-signifi
cant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hey, instead of jerking each other off in agreement about one part of my post, why don't you have any comments about the meat of it.
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Doing the math, if wages were to have kept up with inflation [during the Obama years], instead of real weekly take home pay seeing an increase of only 3.4%, it should be 36.85%
If you are only making 3.4% more now than you did 8 years ago, you have taken a 30%+ hit in pay in the last 8 years.
Conversely, with corporate profits being up 66% under Obama's administration, corporations have increased their average yearly earnings almost as much as the average American's compensation has decreased.
And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The byooty uv it iz, 6string, that we can boast about Obama'z seksessez AND blame the GoP for any failurez that happened during hiz administration!
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Quote:And then what happened to you? You stayed in one spot waiting for another good job to find you? Never did, did it? And along came Trump to save your silly ass, except he'll never know you existed. I live in Texas. I'm surrounded by Republicans. I know how very important and valuable they think they are to the functioning of the world. Their self-righteousness and over inflated self-esteem makes it very hard for them to understand they are not deserving big pay just because they are white. They either need to own something, know something or do something to deserve the big pay they think is their God-given right at birth.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, I always love your common sense and honest posting. That said, I am tired of people going to the White thing. It's one of the problems the democrats have, and why they lost the White House as well as 1000 seats across the country since 2009. The White working class keeps getting poked in the same fashion you just did. It isn't only White people who act in the fashion you describe; favoritism.
Here's a controversial opinion. There is no such thing as White privilege. Minorities are sold this bill of goods to garner votes. It feeds into what they want to hear. What there is, is culture privilege. After you explain what culture privilege is, you can explain how being White in America has gained them privilege. How it has helped them get ahead and been a get out of jail free card, others don't possess. This is a truth the White working class can understand and accept. I have yet to see the democratic party has figured that out.
We need to stop poking White people to garner favoritism from minorities. It only builds a wall between hard working minorities and hard working White people who need each other.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:And then what happened to you? You stayed in one spot waiting for another good job to find you? Never did, did it? And along came Trump to save your silly ass, except he'll never know you existed. I live in Texas. I'm surrounded by Republicans. I know how very important and valuable they think they are to the functioning of the world. Their self-righteousness and over inflated self-esteem makes it very hard for them to understand they are not deserving big pay just because they are white. They either need to own something, know something or do something to deserve the big pay they think is their God-given right at birth.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
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Love the video, good post.
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Quote:If I was a politician, I would take your advice as very wise. You are a sage. On the other hand, I know from two decades of experience what white Texas Republicans say about niggers when they are in private, while in public the same Republicans would get extremely angry if accused of racism. Maybe your Republicans are decidedly better behaved than my local Republicans? My Nebraskan Republican relatives are completely without the racist flaws of Texas Republicans, so you might very well have different experience with your local variety of Republicans.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
SECOND, I always love your common sense and honest posting. That said, I am tired of people going to the White thing. It's one of the problems the democrats have, and why they lost the White House as well as 1000 seats across the country since 2009. The White working class keeps getting poked in the same fashion you just did. It isn't only White people who act in the fashion you describe; favoritism.
Here's a controversial opinion. There is no such thing as White privilege. Minorities are sold this bill of goods to garner votes. It feeds into what they want to hear. What there is, is culture privilege. After you explain what culture privilege is, you can explain how being White in America has gained them privilege. How it has helped them get ahead and been a get out of jail free card, others don't possess. This is a truth the White working class can understand and accept. I have yet to see the democratic party has figured that out.
We need to stop poking White people to garner favoritism from minorities. It only builds a wall between hard working minorities and hard working White people who need each other.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If I was a politician, I would take your advice as very wise. You are a sage. On the other hand, I know from two decades of experience what white Texas Republicans say about niggers when they are in private, while in public the same Republicans would get extremely angry if accused of racism. Maybe your Republicans are decidedly better behaved then my local Republicans? My Nebraskan Republican relatives are completely without the racist flaws of Texas Republicans, so you might very well have different experience with your local variety of Republicans.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
SECOND, I always love your common sense and honest posting. That said, I am tired of people going to the White thing. It's one of the problems the democrats have, and why they lost the White House as well as 1000 seats across the country since 2009. The White working class keeps getting poked in the same fashion you just did. It isn't only White people who act in the fashion you describe; favoritism.
Here's a controversial opinion. There is no such thing as White privilege. Minorities are sold this bill of goods to garner votes. It feeds into what they want to hear. What there is, is culture privilege. After you explain what culture privilege is, you can explain how being White in America has gained them privilege. How it has helped them get ahead and been a get out of jail free card, others don't possess. This is a truth the White working class can understand and accept. I have yet to see the democratic party has figured that out.
We need to stop poking White people to garner favoritism from minorities. It only builds a wall between hard working minorities and hard working White people who need each other.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'll defer to your knowledge concerning your local politicians. I'll not challenge your assertions their ranks are filled with bigots. It's just to me there is a difference between explaining that, and the way you expressed you anger by pointing out they are White. I took offence because it appeared to say, naturally their bigots, their White and they live in Texas. That paints Whites with a very broad brush. It feels like because they were elected to office, all those who voted for them are White and therefore bigots. I hope you get what it is I'm saying.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:And then what happened to you? You stayed in one spot waiting for another good job to find you? Never did, did it? And along came Trump to save your silly ass, except he'll never know you existed. I live in Texas. I'm surrounded by Republicans. I know how very important and valuable they think they are to the functioning of the world. Their self-righteousness and over inflated self-esteem makes it very hard for them to understand they are not deserving big pay just because they are white. They either need to own something, know something or do something to deserve the big pay they think is their God-given right at birth.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.
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I own a house, free and clear, and I put a lot of money and sweat and blood into it. I also fought for 3 years to reduce the property taxes from $2,400/yr down to $1,100 per year. With no mortgage, and less than $2,000 in property taxes and insurance I'd be insane to move unless I was going to do it for something making over $30/hr again. Just living in this house while working minimum wage would be pretty much equal to most other americans making over $60k/yr.
I didn't get where I am because I am white. I got where I am because in less than 5 years when times were good I saved over 100k and didn't buy a bunch of stupid shit I didn't need.
I worked with mostly minorities at K-Mart. We were all making a buck more than minimum wage because we worked overnight. Most of us smoked. I roll my own for about a buck a pack. They were smoking Marlboros and Newports. Every one of them had a nice ride while I'm driving a 20 year old POS with a broken windshield. It's no wonder most of them were living with their parents or in a crappy apartment. They all have really nice big screen TV's though. I still don't own a TV that's new enough to get the HD signals...
I can't believe that I'm actually saying thanks to T here for bringing "White" out of the equation.
Why don't you say anything about the numbers I posted about inflation vs wages? Because you can't. Because I'm right. Call me an idiot anywhere else, but I know money.
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Quote:The next 6 paragraphs, which mention Trump, are the teaser for an article by Paul Krugman about Trump’s speech.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I own a house, free and clear, and I put a lot of money and sweat and blood into it. I also fought for 3 years to reduce the property taxes from $2,400/yr down to $1,100 per year. With no mortgage, and less than $2,000 in property taxes and insurance I'd be insane to move unless I was going to do it for something making over $30/hr again. Just living in this house while working minimum wage would be pretty much equal to most other americans making over $60k/yr.
I didn't get where I am because I am white. I got where I am because in less than 5 years when times were good I saved over 100k and didn't buy a bunch of stupid shit I didn't need.
I worked with mostly minorities at K-Mart. We were all making a buck more than minimum wage because we worked overnight. Most of us smoked. I roll my own for about a buck a pack. They were smoking Marlboros and Newports. Every one of them had a nice ride while I'm driving a 20 year old POS with a broken windshield. It's no wonder most of them were living with their parents or in a crappy apartment. They all have really nice big screen TV's though. I still don't own a TV that's new enough to get the HD signals...
I can't believe that I'm actually saying thanks to T here for bringing "White" out of the equation.
Why don't you say anything about the numbers I posted about inflation vs wages? Because you can't. Because I'm right. Call me an idiot anywhere else, but I know money.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
You could buy a house in Baytown Texas. Something good could happen to you in Texas (or not, all depends on you) and you won’t have to wait on Trump.
Why Baytown as an example? Because I bought, more precisely gave away for free, a house to an employee “Shirley” who was looking after my mother, now dead. I had to lay off Shirley, the whitest person I've ever known, because I only had the one mother. Shirley’s dream, which she told my mother one time while I’m listening, was to own a home. Shirley lived in a crap-tastic trailer that she paid $100 per week. The trailer owner said that if she paid for 10 years for a total of $52,000, Shirley would get title to a trailer worth $2,800. A deal like that should be illegal, but don’t expect Trump or the Republicans in Austin to outlaw such deals.
Shirley’s new home cost $116,031 in 2013. Today it is appraised for $143,385 at http://hcad.org 6ixStringJack could afford that, with a mortgage. It is in a nice neighborhood, full of old Republicans once employed at ExxonMobile. Multimillionaire living on one side of Shirley’s house, thanks to the performance of his Exxon stock in his retirement account. There were extra costs: I had to buy for the house a new A/C, new 30 year roof, new 4 door refrigerator with an ice-maker in the door. I still need to replace the iron pipes for the drinking water plumbing. Shirley couldn’t afford to fix it.
But the taxes are high: $728.60 to Baytown & Harris County and $2,714.13 to Goose Creek Independent School District. It is me paying, that is why I know.
Single people like Shirley making only $11.00 per hour by looking after old people can’t really live as middle class, can they? At least not without a Godfather like me. The home healthcare job Shirley does needs to be done for millions of elder people, but Trump is not doing a damn thing to make Shirley’s pay any higher. He would probably say Shirley should quit and get another job, as a nurse, but her old job still needs to be done and the pay is still only $11/hour or even less if an agency gets a fee for finding the jobs. Some other unfortunate person will get that crappy pay, an unfortunate who will be overlooked by Trump.
Trump is worthless to someone like Shirley. I know exactly how much Shirley makes because every year I fill out her income tax forms after I le
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You keep assuming that I think 100% that Trump is going to fix everything. I think I said in my first post here several things about how it's time to actually do more than talk.
My post, which I see nobody has argued because it's an unwinnable argument, was dispelling any myth that Obama was good for our economy or for the average American worker.
Anybody without any knowledge of basic economics might look at the statistic that we had a 3.4% increase in average American's pay during the Obama administration and might think that sounded OK. But when you put that up against the 36.85% increase in pay that you actually needed to make just to stay even, it doesn't sound good at all anymore. I also pointed out that it was funny that if you subtract that same 36.85% from the 66% increase that corporations saw in general, they were actually doing 29% or so better than they were doing in 2008.
All I am is hopeful for the future and showing you that the last 8 years were not good for us. Maybe you're right and we're all still screwed. I hope you're wrong.
Well... you won't be screwed. Your addittional tax credit next year will be more than my income in the last 8 years. Good for you.
Check your class privilege next time you want to preach to me about White privilege.
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I thought the speech was pretty good.
Obviously I had issues:
1) immigration
2) energy policy
3) creating a new govt agency?
But there were some upsides:
4) infrastructure
5) inner cities
6) heathcare reform
and some casual mentions of things that we hope are promising
7) railroads
8) clean water
9) no more "go it alone" US foreign policy
Firefly fans?
10) American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dreamQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. :)
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Originally posted by JO753:
Prezenting the crying widow uv the seal team guy az a prop for a lie about the failed mission & leading a rediculously long applauz wuz disgusting.
I totally agree.
I'm going to third that comment.
Actually, Second thirded it so I'm going to fourth it.
In fact, there was a little too much of that towards the end. I think he ran out of material.
I'm going to agree with the prez' $6 trillion, since Bush critics were already saying $2T for 2 wars in 2008, then we added another 14 wars to that. War spending overall certainly doubled, so another 8 years, then yeah, seems very likely. Also, if that wasn't where the borrowed money went than why borrow the money? It does add up.
I think if Dems base their record on Obama, they'll be like republicans basing their record on Bush. Instead, the GOP had a tea party revolution. We shoudl do the same thing. Sanders is our Ron Paul.
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Trump gets 96 standing ovations, but Firefly was cancelled. Does that seem right to you? The best part of the spectacle was when the loaves of bread were tossed into the crowd and Senators McCain and Graham struggled with each other, almost coming to blows for possession of the last marble rye.
McCain and Graham struggle for possession of the last marbles all the time.
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I'm not clear on how you are getting your 36% inflation, 6string.
pleez explain.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
Therez a problem with inflation calculationz anyway - it dependz on wut you buy, so sumwun who duznt drive, for example, iz not going to feel any differens if the prise uv gas jumps. At least not till it cauzez the prise uv sumthing he buyz to go up.
You may hav made a good choise to not get a TV in the last 10 yirz, kuz now you can get a 50" 1080HD for haf wut you woud hav paid for a 32" 720 in 2007. An exampl uv negativ inflation.
Where everybody (exept you) iz getting milked like cowz iz houzing, either morgaj & taxez or rent. Its the main pipeline thats taking all the money up to the 1%.
2nd iz rite about wite privilij. The poverty & prizon stats tell the story.
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Just a couple of quick impression of Trumps' speech:
I first heard it on my way home (no visuals) and immediately recognized the cadence and tone of a SOTU/major Presidential speech: Plenty of applause points, soaring images. Trump SOUNDED Presidential, like we have been conditioned to expect a President to sound. At times, Kennedy-esque, at times Reagan-esque. I thought - listening to the last half of the speech, that it was very effective in that vast majority of people, Democrats included, heard what they were expecting to hear. Trump can definitely switch modes.
Seeing and listening to the whole thing:
The Democrats looked like they sucked on lemons. It really is sour grapes: They know a good speech when they hear one. Once again, they're out of step with their constituency, who mostly approved of the speech. KIKI asks "how did your beloved Democratic Party fuck up so badly?" and I have to ask: How does the DNC continue to fuck up so badly?
To those who found the presence of Carryn Owens, widow of Spec Ops Senior Chief William “Ryan” Owens, to be inauthentic, I have only one thing to say: Can you say "Khizr Kahn"? Sure you can. Both parties drag out the families of dead soldiers when it suits them, so this is a case of the pot and the kettle.
What shocked ME was the negative comment about the WTO. In international trade, the WTO is the third rail: You never touch it. It is the oldest and most widely-accepted construct of the globalist order. The globalists - of which the USA was once its head- have used the WTO as a political tool for decades, and membership has been granted or withheld primarily on the basis of which nations were willing to kowtow to the global order.
Trump once again pointed out that some companies (Lockheed Martin and big pharma) are gouging America. I'm sure that didn't make them happy.
As far as peace is concerned, when Trump mentioned finding peace where it's possible, my mind actually did a sideways skip to what Mal said about "them finding peace, if any is to be had". I know it's a different context, but I find it a very practical statement.
Overall, I think this functioned as Trumps "campaign speech" to the American people, not just to his base. Except for the Democrap Party leadership and the die-hards in the general public, most people were ready to hear his message.
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Quote:The GDP grew at a nice, steady rate under Obama. Your complaint should be that you didn’t get your fair share. You won’t ever get your share because the Republicans in Congress would call it Communism or something-ism if the people with the least got most of the increase. Instead, I will get your share. I’m not going to feel selfish because you keep voting for Republicans and the Republicans keep giving me your money. It’s your fault, not me. It is a nice system for people in the top 1%. Keep that in mind when you vote for the multi-billionaire in 2020, the guy who will lower his own taxes and mine.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You keep assuming that I think 100% that Trump is going to fix everything. I think I said in my first post here several things about how it's time to actually do more than talk.
My post, which I see nobody has argued because it's an unwinnable argument, was dispelling any myth that Obama was good for our economy or for the average American worker.
Anybody without any knowledge of basic economics might look at the statistic that we had a 3.4% increase in average American's pay during the Obama administration and might think that sounded OK. But when you put that up against the 36.85% increase in pay that you actually needed to make just to stay even, it doesn't sound good at all anymore. I also pointed out that it was funny that if you subtract that same 36.85% from the 66% increase that corporations saw in general, they were actually doing 29% or so better than they were doing in 2008.
All I am is hopeful for the future and showing you that the last 8 years were not good for us. Maybe you're right and we're all still screwed. I hope you're wrong.
Well... you won't be screwed. Your additional tax credit next year will be more than my income in the last 8 years. Good for you.
Check your class privilege next time you want to preach to me about White privilege.
www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-per-capita
And then there is the tiny technical detail that Bush indirectly crashed the economy in 2008 by NOT regulating the banking industry. Obama added regulation. Trump promises to remove those same regulations and will indirectly crash the economy again, as did Bush. Is it really that hard to understand what Republicans actually do when in control? Could that be because Republicans say that they are doing the opposite of what they are actually doing? That is not a rhetorical question because Trump answered it in the following story:
Before his speech, Trump invited network anchors to lunch and told them he was open to a comprehensive immigration bill that included a path to legal status—but not citizenship—for undocumented immigrants. The anchors were permitted only to source this to a "senior administration official," and they did. This fed a round of positive news coverage in the hours leading up to Trump's address to Congress.
The network anchors were asking on Wednesday why things mentioned at Trump’s Tuesday lunch were not in the Tuesday evening speech. The answer was simple: because Trump had said those things only to get positive news coverage before the speech. The White House admitted Trump lied to network anchors, calling it a “Misdirection Play” rather than a “Lie”.
What are reporters supposed to do the next time Trump tells them something on background? www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/trump-invents-new-word-lying-mi
sdirection-play
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Quote:GSTRING ... I see that, since you're out of "talking points" you've resorted to personal attacks. As usual.
Siggy just drank all the koolaid.- GSTRING
When I said that this speech functioned as Trump's "campaign speech" to the American public, that is exactly what I meant. YOU know campaign speeches, don't you? Lots of promises? Few details? Yup - campaign speech.
But most Americans - Democrats included - were happy, or relieved, with the speech. NPR had Gray Davis, former Democratic governor of CA, on-air right afterwards, and even HE said is was a masterful performance.
CNN/ORC Poll: 78% Of Speech Watchers React Positively to Trump Address
Posted By Ian Schwartz
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/02/28/cnnorc_poll_78_of_sp
eech_waters_react_positively_to_trump_address.html
Like with Pelosi, it's just sour grapes with you. You hate Trump so much it just burns your ass when anything goes his way, and if the media isn't bagging on Trump 110% of the time, you hate it. And if anyone says any even NEUTRAL about Trump ... yanno, I recognize a good speech too, even tho I don't like them ... well, that burns your ass too. So go suck a lemon.
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Quote:You are such as ass. NOBODY got their "fair share". The reality is that the GDP growth went to the very top, and the wealth gap UNDER OBAMA grew larger than ever. Larger than under Bush, and larger than just before the Great Depression.
The GDP grew at a nice, steady rate under Obama. Your complaint should be that you didn’t get your fair share.= SECOND
If everyone had gotten their "fair" share, many would have gotten more, and a few would have gotten a lot less. You are clearly one of those "entitled" people that that Democrapic Party started pandering to back in the Bill Clinton days.
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Originally posted by JO753:
I'm not clear on how you are getting your 36% inflation, 6string.
pleez explain.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
Therez a problem with inflation calculationz anyway - it dependz on wut you buy, so sumwun who duznt drive, for example, iz not going to feel any differens if the prise uv gas jumps. At least not till it cauzez the prise uv sumthing he buyz to go up.
You may hav made a good choise to not get a TV in the last 10 yirz, kuz now you can get a 50" 1080HD for haf wut you woud hav paid for a 32" 720 in 2007. An exampl uv negativ inflation.
Where everybody (exept you) iz getting milked like cowz iz houzing, either morgaj & taxez or rent. Its the main pipeline thats taking all the money up to the 1%.
2nd iz rite about wite privilij. The poverty & prizon stats tell the story.
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Inflation rates are hard to pinpoint and very easy to manipulate. Gas and food are usually not included in any of the calculations, for example. I did not see in your link if they were included or not, but I can assume at 2.5% that food at least is not included. Everybody's got to eat. Now that I'm on foodstamps there's not much decent food I can buy, but prices have risen so much in the last 5 years that I wasn't buying much good food when I still had them either.
Generally speaking, a 4% average yearly inflation is considered the normal figure. This means that everything costs twice as much about every 20 years. Ask your grandparents what they paid for a new car or for a can of soda and compare that to now and the math works.
I'll revise what I said to your graph though. I don't think you're going to like it:
Year 0: 100
Year 1: 102.70 (2.7%)
Year 2: 104.24 (1.5%)
Year 3: 107.37 (3.0%)
Year 4: 109.19 (1.7%)
Year 5: 110.83 (1.5%)
Year 6: 111.71 (0.8%)
Year 7: 112.50 (0.7%)
Year 8: 114.86 (2.1%)
That's still nearly a 15% increase you would have needed to make in pay to be compensated the same amount for the work. Obama's 3.4% increase during his administration still means that on average Americans are being paid 11.6% less than they were in 2008.
The part you're not going to like much? If corporations only had to make the same 15% to break even and they made 66% then under these new numbers while Americans saw a 11.6% decrease in pay, corporations are doing a whopping 55% better than they were before he took office.
I'm just using your numbers here. The numbers are so easy for anybody at the top to manipulate one way or another for whatever reason. All I'm saying is no matter what you can't fudge the numbers enough to make it look like Obama was good for the average American, economically speaking.
I know how tech works J0. I'm glad I don't have a $3000 brick sitting here that isn't even a smart TV. That wasn't my point. My point was that nobody, not even the dregs of society that have to work overnight at Kmart for peanuts, has a fucking clue about how to wisely spend their money. With so little available to them, I couldnt' figure out how they all had nice rides and new clothes and were smoking brand name smokes for $6/pack.
You keep talking about white privilege though. I was the only one showing up to the grocery store to spend food stamps that looked like he should be on food stamps.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/trumps-address-to-congress/
Somebody already beat you to that one.
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Originally posted by JO753:
I'm not clear on how you are getting your 36% inflation, 6string.
pleez explain.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
Therez a problem with inflation calculationz anyway - it dependz on wut you buy, so sumwun who duznt drive, for example, iz not going to feel any differens if the prise uv gas jumps. At least not till it cauzez the prise uv sumthing he buyz to go up.
You may hav made a good choise to not get a TV in the last 10 yirz, kuz now you can get a 50" 1080HD for haf wut you woud hav paid for a 32" 720 in 2007. An exampl uv negativ inflation.
Where everybody (exept you) iz getting milked like cowz iz houzing, either morgaj & taxez or rent. Its the main pipeline thats taking all the money up to the 1%.
2nd iz rite about wite privilij. The poverty & prizon stats tell the story.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
Inflation rates are hard to pinpoint and very easy to manipulate. Gas and food are usually not included in any of the calculations, for example. I did not see in your link if they were included or not, but I can assume at 2.5% that food at least is not included. Everybody's got to eat. Now that I'm on foodstamps there's not much decent food I can buy, but prices have risen so much in the last 5 years that I wasn't buying much good food when I still had them either.
Generally speaking, a 4% average yearly inflation is considered the normal figure. This means that everything costs twice as much about every 20 years. Ask your grandparents what they paid for a new car or for a can of soda and compare that to now and the math works.
I'll revise what I said to your graph though. I don't think you're going to like it:
Year 0: 100
Year 1: 102.70 (2.7%)
Year 2: 104.24 (1.5%)
Year 3: 107.37 (3.0%)
Year 4: 109.19 (1.7%)
Year 5: 110.83 (1.5%)
Year 6: 111.71 (0.8%)
Year 7: 112.50 (0.7%)
Year 8: 114.86 (2.1%)
That's still nearly a 15% increase you would have needed to make in pay to be compensated the same amount for the work. Obama's 3.4% increase during his administration still means that on average Americans are being paid 11.6% less than they were in 2008.
The part you're not going to like much? If corporations only had to make the same 15% to break even and they made 66% then under these new numbers while Americans saw a 11.6% decrease in pay, corporations are doing a whopping 55% better than they were before he took office.
I'm just using your numbers here. The numbers are so easy for anybody at the top to manipulate one way or another for whatever reason. All I'm saying is no matter what you can't fudge the numbers enough to make it look like Obama was good for the average American, economically speaking.
I know how tech works J0. I'm glad I don't have a $3000 brick sitting here that isn't even a smart TV. That wasn't my point. My point was that nobody, not even the dregs of society that have to work overnight at Kmart for peanuts, has a fucking clue about how to wisely spend their money. With so little available to them, I couldnt' figure out how they all had nice rides and new clothes and were smoking brand name smokes for $6/pack.
You keep talking about white privilege though. I was the only one showing up to the grocery store to spend food stamps that looked like he should be on food stamps.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Reposting this for J0
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