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THGRRI

Friday, February 24, 2017 10:59 PM

Where's the beef?

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, February 25, 2017 7:42 PM

Si Shen,

A little text in case people don't want watch or video won't play.

It's basically the GOP backing off of "Repeal and Replace" obamacare, to "Repair"

That said, Trump is still saying "Repeal and Replace" but I hope it's not "Health Savings accounts" like he said in the campaign. What a useless idea. I liked his "apply for state programs across state lines" within reason. You can't have all of America registered in Vermont. But being less locked in would be good.

THGRRI

Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Si Shen,

A little text in case people don't want watch or video won't play.

It's basically the GOP backing off of "Repeal and Replace" obamacare, to "Repair"

That said, Trump is still saying "Repeal and Replace" but I hope it's not "Health Savings accounts" like he said in the campaign. What a useless idea. I liked his "apply for state programs across state lines" within reason. You can't have all of America registered in Vermont. But being less locked in would be good.

I would hope if the video doesn't work someone would say so. Anyway, thanks for explaining what it is about. I think it plays because it plays for me even when I am not logged in. The ACA detractors here are afraid to speak. The number one slam here against Obama was the Affordable Care Act. Now that the Republicans hold all three branches of government, they cower. They could end it tomorrow so why does it still exist?

The house voted like 60 times to repeal it. So repeal it. And all those here that wanted it done in the first week of Trumps presidency, are now silent on the subject.

As I said, where's the beef. I'll tell you. They won't repeal it. They'll work on it as the democrats wanted since it's inception and claim they did what they promised, repealed it, bullshit. The ACA will endure.

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, February 26, 2017 8:26 PM

True, the same corporations rule both parties.

SECOND

Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
True, the same corporations rule both parties.

This is what a Republican Congress wants you to believe, so that you will also believe that a Republican Congress is no worse than a Democratic Congress, yet better in other ways. Except there is a difference about ACA.

Republicans hate Obamacare for two reasons. It demonstrates that the government can make people's lives better, and it's paid for in large part with taxes on the wealthy. Republicans' overriding goal is to make those taxes go away. And if getting those taxes cut means that quite a few people end up dying, remember: freedom! And who thinks freedom and lower taxes for the wealthy (there is a special tax on the wealthy to pay for ACA) are same? Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan @Pryan , who tweeted:

Freedom is the ability to buy what you want to fit what you need. Obamacare is Washington telling you what to buy regardless of your needs.
12:38 PM - 21 Feb 2017
https://twitter.com/PRyan/status/834140136082284544

The entire point of health insurance is that you don’t know what your needs are going to be. Paul Ryan does not know your needs.

Technically speaking, no one “needs” insurance right up until the moment they get sick or injured. That’s the entire point of having it.

At the moment, I don’t “need” chemotherapy or expensive prescription medications…but some day soon I might. This isn’t rocket science.

If you left it up to people to “only buy what they need” for health insurance, most would probably choose crappy mini-meds like this: McDonald's”McCrew Care” benefits requires employees to pay $56 per month for basic coverage that provides up to $2,000 in benefits in a year. Wow, $2,000 in benefits per year? Awesome! That's enough to cover one day in the hospital per year, and absolutely nothing else whatsoever!

…so you end up with most people being severely underinsured, then not having any meaningful coverage at all when they actually need it.

THGRRI

Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:15 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
True, the same corporations rule both parties.
This is what a Republican Congress wants you to believe, so that you will also believe that a Republican Congress is no worse than a Democratic Congress, yet better in other ways. Except there is a difference about ACA.

Republicans hate Obamacare for two reasons. It demonstrates that the government can make people's lives better, and it's paid for in large part with taxes on the wealthy. Republicans' overriding goal is to make those taxes go away. And if getting those taxes cut means that quite a few people end up dying, remember: freedom! And who thinks freedom and lower taxes for the wealthy (there is a special tax on the wealthy to pay for ACA) are same? Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan @Pryan , who tweeted:

Freedom is the ability to buy what you want to fit what you need. Obamacare is Washington telling you what to buy regardless of your needs.
12:38 PM - 21 Feb 2017
https://twitter.com/PRyan/status/834140136082284544

The entire point of health insurance is that you don’t know what your needs are going to be. Paul Ryan does not know your needs.

Technically speaking, no one “needs” insurance right up until the moment they get sick or injured. That’s the entire point of having it.

At the moment, I don’t “need” chemotherapy or expensive prescription medications…but some day soon I might. This isn’t rocket science.

If you left it up to people to “only buy what they need” for health insurance, most would probably choose crappy mini-meds like this: McDonald's”McCrew Care” benefits requires employees to pay $56 per month for basic coverage that provides up to $2,000 in benefits in a year. Wow, $2,000 in benefits per year? Awesome! That's enough to cover one day in the hospital per year, and absolutely nothing else whatsoever!

…so you end up with most people being severely underinsured, then not having any meaningful coverage at all when they actually need it.

Yep, and with the Republicans facts like there were 40 million Americans going without health care was acceptable. The proof is in that they didn't seem to want to do anything about it. Since Hilary they would sit and wait and then smack down any attempt to change that. Sorry wrong, it's really for the past 80 years.

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:31 PM

Second,

this is a deeply personal issue for me so apologies in advance for the rant, but just read what I have to say, rather than treat it like an enemy at the gates. I might lose might life on this issue, and have already lost someone very dear to me.

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Originally posted by second:

This is what a Republican Congress wants you to believe

If so, I never hear it. unless it's posted here. I never see it on FB or Twitter. I have no TV, and they don't cover it either.

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Except there is a difference about ACA.

Republicans hate Obamacare for two reasons. It demonstrates that the government can make people's lives better

It's evil. I'm a democrat, and I've been calling it Mengelecare since my sister's death, now it's killing me too.

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and it's paid for in large part with taxes on the wealthy.

?? No, it's not. Not at all. Not even a tiny bit. It's a corporate financial product you're forced to buy. It replaces govt. funded point of service medicaid. I lost my healthcare under obamacare, and now I have an obamacare package, and I cannot get healthcare. Denial of care, bureaucratic nightmare.

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Republicans' overriding goal is to make those taxes go away.

Not those taxes. But yes, taxes are something they want rid of. They're right about that. We used to have no taxes.

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And if getting those taxes cut means that quite a few people end up dying,

sure, but not from that. repeal of obamacare is something i wholeheartedly support. I also support getting rid of federal taxes. nothing comes from it but war.

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Paul Ryan @Pryan , who tweeted:

Freedom is the ability to buy what you want to fit what you need. Obamacare is Washington telling you what to buy regardless of your needs.
12:38 PM - 21 Feb 2017

He's right about that, he's a douche, but he's right, it's forced consumerism.

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The entire point of health insurance is that you don’t know what your needs are going to be. Paul Ryan does not know your needs.

No, it's a corporate financial product. It's about making money. I remember before insurance, and a doctor's visit was no more expensive than a restaurant.

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Technically speaking, no one “needs” insurance right up until the moment they get sick or injured. That’s the entire point of having it.

No one needs it. We need rid of the system

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At the moment, I don’t “need” chemotherapy

No one does. I've done years of cancer research. Chemo is a scam. It's not the way to treat cancer. If you know someone with cancer who needs help, ask me. I know a ton about the subject. That's sincere. I started this post thinking you had cancer, and that worried me, that you would be putting your faith in obamacare, insurance and chemo. All of which are financial schemes. Republicans would love them if they had thought of them themselves.

See, I have to disagree: republicans do not want me to think they're democrats, the same as, owned and corrupt like democrats, they want me to think they're religious people bound to values. The democrats want me to believe they care about me, and everyone, are not not corporate pawns. They're both lying. They're all corporate pawns. That's how they got the millions and billions to run candidates for office.

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or expensive prescription medications…but some day soon I might. This isn’t rocket science.

No, I know a fair amount about rocket science, but this is economics.

I can't stress this enough: Read some books on economics. Everyone, esp. people on the left. Political ideologies are based on faith in politicans, liars, and you don't need that faith if you actually understand their game. Politicans control one thing: how we spend money. So, who else would pay to get the job but some sort of financial schemer. Trump will probably be good at it, for that reason. That's who

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:32 PM

Si Shen

Don't confuse healthcare with health insurance. that's like conflating driving with car insurance. You can't hop in your car insurance and take it to california.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, February 27, 2017 1:08 AM

Yes. So good to see somebody who gets it. If insurance was never in play, doctors could only charge what people could afford.

I said it before, but I'll say it again. My brother had a massive brain hemmorage and suffered multiple strokes when he was 6 years old. He spent almost six months in the hospital after having the best neurosurgeon in the country operate on him. Not just room and board, but physical therapy included every day he was there after waking up from the coma. The entire bill to the insurance company for that in 1989? $200,000.

Fast forward to 2010 and he swallows a bunch of anti-depressant pills. Not only would they not have killed him, but they didn't even pump his stomach. He spent 10 days in the hospital for what was essentially baby sitting duty with a few IV bags. What was the bill? $80,000.

Don't tell me that was inflation. If the inflation rate was that high, you'd be paying $30-50 for a gallon of milk.

And it's not the rich that pay for obamacare. My parents aren't anything close to rich. Their premiums have gone up nearly about 250% and their deductibles have doubled since the ACA was passed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 27, 2017 1:24 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. So good to see somebody who gets it. If insurance was never in play, doctors could only charge what people could afford.

I said it before, but I'll say it again. My brother had a massive brain hemmorage and suffered multiple strokes when he was 6 years old. He spent almost six months in the hospital after having the best neurosurgeon in the country operate on him. Not just room and board, but physical therapy included every day he was there after waking up from the coma. The entire bill to the insurance company for that in 1989? $200,000.

Fast forward to 2010 and he swallows a bunch of anti-depressant pills. Not only would they not have killed him, but they didn't even pump his stomach. He spent 10 days in the hospital for what was essentially baby sitting duty with a few IV bags. What was the bill? $80,000.

Don't tell me that was inflation. If the inflation rate was that high, you'd be paying $30-50 for a gallon of milk.

And it's not the rich that pay for obamacare. My parents aren't anything close to rich. Their premiums have gone up nearly about 250% and their deductibles have doubled since the ACA was passed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Thank you. ya'know, 6, sometimes you make me redunant. I had my face ripped off in that accident in '89. I had to have reconstructive surgery and insurance existed but wouldn't cover it. I had to shell out the eighty bucks myself.

The system has gotten out of control. Someone posted it here earlier, but everyone should look up the chemo scam. Chemo and radiation are the only things the doctors are allowed to sell you themselves, and insurance covers very little. With complete us govt worker coverage, which is the same plan congress gives themselves, my sister was paying 48,000 a year out of pocket for chemo. that was the co-pay, out of the $250k. Here's what they didn't tell us: the doc buys the chemo for 4-5 grand and sells it himself at a profit. The second, the insurance company never paid the other 200k and everyone knew they wouldn't, it was only there to justify the copay. And everyone knew that the treatement would make her worse. Worse than that, they experimented on her with drugs that were not tested, not approved, and that's what did her in, despite our complaints to the docs, the hospitals, and going directly to the head of oncology at the NIH headquarters in DC in person to complain. Nada.

Keep it Shiny

1KIKI

Monday, February 27, 2017 2:40 AM

... republicans ... want me to think they're religious people bound to values. The democrats want me to believe they care about me, and everyone, are not not corporate pawns. They're both lying. They're all corporate pawns. That's how they got the millions and billions to run candidates for office.

Give me a Bernie Sanders, sure, give me a Jimmy Carter, and I'm happy. But no more corporate pawns, warmongers, just generally evil people, I have no use for them. ... I can tell they're evil from their policies.

Oh hallelujah! DT.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Monday, February 27, 2017 3:00 AM

I've been pretty agnostic about Obamacare, because I couldn't predict how it would work out where it counts - for people.

It had some hideous parts - like people being forcibly shoveled into paying an insurance company for an insurance plan, and the fact that screening was free BUT TREATMENT WASN'T NECESSARILY COVERED. It had some mediating parts, for example 85% of insurance premiums had to go for actual healthcare, and that pre-existing conditions couldn't be denied. But in terms of predicting how that would work out overall, there were too many unknowns to even guess.

But the results are in. As an aside, I want to point out that for sure the government has ALL the numbers. Average premiums, average copays, number of people receiving care, total of payments by private citizens, total government payments, numbers and types of care received, etc. And I guarantee they've crunched them every way from Sunday. But they're very hard to find, and that makes me think right at the start, that things aren't going well.

But there are SOME publicly available numbers.

For example, major insurers are leaving the market because they can no longer make money.

Premiums and copays for people who can least afford it are going beyond reach.

And, AFTER OBAMACARE, JUST AS MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING BANKRUPT DUE TO MEDICAL EXPENSES AS BEFORE.

Does that sound like it's doing what was promised? Or needed?

Having looked at the available figures at length (and posted elsewhere, with links), I've concluded that there are fatal issues with Obamacare.

One is that the backlog of needed medical care far outstripped any savings Obamacare might have generated to pay for them.

The other is that the medical system itself is built to GENERATE PROFIT at every step of the way - doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, pharmaceutical manufacturers, medical equipment, medical supplies, laboratory testing, high-tech imaging, insurance - rather than provide actual care.

What was needed was a wholesale rebuilding of the medical system. What we got was wallpaper.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

THGRRI

Monday, February 27, 2017 4:39 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Si Shen

Don't confuse healthcare with health insurance. that's like conflating driving with car insurance. You can't hop in your car insurance and take it to california.

Not confusing it. I know there are a lot of problems with the ACA. Just like there was with SSI and Medicaid. It took time to work out the kinks. The Republicans blocked any chance of tweaking it to make it better. Instead they worked with all their might to prevent it from working.

When Bush created an unfunded 1.2 trillion dollar drug prescription plan that started falling apart, Democrats stepped in and helped fix it. See the difference?

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1KIKI

Monday, February 27, 2017 5:05 AM

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Just like there was (a lot of problems) with SSI and Medicaid.

cite?

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an unfunded 1.2 trillion dollar drug prescription plan that ... Democrats stepped in and helped fix

cite?

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 27, 2017 8:00 AM

In the way that this is not trolling, 1kiki has a valid point that I'm in agreement with.

I know that the left liked to call Bush policies unfunded mandates, but he actually did budget a trillion dollars to Prescription D, which I would call pretty well funded.

As for medicaid and SSI, I did not notice any issues with those programs.
Still actually dying over here as a result of the replacement of SSI with Obamacare, so I'm not neutral on the topic.

Still, I guess is this opinion or fact?

THGRRI

Monday, February 27, 2017 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Just like there was (a lot of problems) with SSI and Medicaid.
cite?
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an unfunded 1.2 trillion dollar drug prescription plan that ... Democrats stepped in and helped fix
cite?

Don't need cites. Just cut and paste into a search what you quoted and you'll get pages of sites ( articles ) to pick from.

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1KIKI

Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM

THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Monday, February 27, 2017 1:19 PM

DT

FWIW you're the second person I know from NYS that got screwed with Obamacare.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 27, 2017 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
DT

FWIW you're the second person I know from NYS that got screwed with Obamacare.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

We used to have a great healthcare system. Now we have national Auschwitz. Cuomo is equally to blame.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 27, 2017 6:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1kiki

I try to avoid comments about users, but I clicked.

The first thread, he's not even on. You might want to see to that.
Second, there's okay a couple of posts that are tacit admissions to being a troll, I'll grant, and a fair amount of posts that seem to have no other purpose. But if so, why feed him at all?

My summation from scanning those, and others, is that he's the Citizen here. But you have ask yourself why you're being the Kwicko?

THGRRI

Monday, February 27, 2017 7:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1kiki

I try to avoid comments about users, but I clicked.

The first thread, he's not even on. You might want to see to that.
Second, there's okay a couple of posts that are tacit admissions to being a troll, I'll grant, and a fair amount of posts that seem to have no other purpose. But if so, why feed him at all?

My summation from scanning those, and others, is that he's the Citizen here. But you have ask yourself why you're being the Kwicko?

Great dreamtrove, lets see the posts by me that shows what you and 1kiki claim. I too followed the links and there's nothing there. Send your sockpuppet there as well. Maybe she can find something we all missed.

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1KIKI

Thursday, March 2, 2017 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
1kiki

I try to avoid comments about users, but I clicked.

The first thread, he's not even on. You might want to see to that.
Second, there's okay a couple of posts that are tacit admissions to being a troll, I'll grant, and a fair amount of posts that seem to have no other purpose. But if so, why feed him at all?

My summation from scanning those, and others, is that he's the Citizen here. But you have ask yourself why you're being the Kwicko?

Whatever. I really don't care what you think because you seem to think it's ok that THUGGER has followed me from thread to thread calling me a Russian troll for YEARS because of the things I don't post.

But you get tweaked when I return the favor one time.

BTW, my opinion of Kwicko was extremely high.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:33 PM

On another topic, your idea that insurance (money) distorted the medical marketplace and turned it into 1) a big-money racket and 2) screwed the consumer with only a consumer's ability to pay is interesting.

For myself, I'd need to see that insurance coverage (numbers of people, dollar amounts, services covered) went up first, followed by prices. But like a lot of other interesting things, I don't have the time to do the research. So unless you or someone can provide me with supporting information, I'm going to put that into the 'interesting/ waiting for information' bin.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:44 PM

The most salient political point concerning the ACA is, if the Republicans pass this new health care bill, the Democrats will win back the House and Senate in the midterm elections.

The second most important political point is that Trumps support system will shrink by %15%. Tolerance for his lying and destructive behavior concerning our democratic institutions will wane.

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SECOND

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
The most salient political point concerning the ACA is ...

...different than what you might expect. The CBO's other bombshell: the Affordable Care Act is NOT imploding.

Trump can “fix” Obamacare by doing nothing.

Beyond its eye-popping findings on higher premiums and large-scale coverage loss, the Congressional Budget Office’s official score of the American Health Care Act also quietly demolishes the central publicly stated rationale for repealing the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The key passage is a somewhat jargon-full sentence on the second page of the report that says, “In CBO and JCT’s assessment, however, the nongroup market would probably be stable in most areas under either current law or the legislation.”

Since this is a score of a proposed bill, the rest of the discussion naturally focuses on the “legislation” side of the ledger. But the assessment that markets will stabilize under current law is critical. President Trump’s central argument for repeal and replace is that the Affordable Care Act is “imploding,” so some kind of radical change is necessary. But the notion of "implosion" has given the campaign for a massive rewrite a sense of urgency that, according to the CBO, is basically NOT warranted.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14921594/obamacare-implosion
-ahca

But there is more! Republicans already managed to effectively repeal Obamacare without passing a single page of legislation. Even if the godawful Republican repeal effort fails, there's every reason to think that Congress will try again. What's more, it's clear that they'll do everything they can to undermine Obamacare along the way. In a few months, insurance companies have to decide whether they want to participate in the exchange market in 2018, and I wonder what they'll decide? The uncertainty is sky high now, and that means they have little incentive to continue. Remember, most insurers swallowed big losses early on in hopes of building a stable, profitable market later. But what's the point of absorbing losses if it looks like—at best—years and years of chaos ahead?

It may be that 2018 is safe. The exchanges are pretty close to profitable now, and it's probably worth it for most insurers to stay on board for at least another year to see what happens. Still, I wonder. Merely by upending everything and making it clear just how dedicated they are to cutting taxes on the rich and cutting health coverage for the poor, have Republicans already managed to effectively repeal Obamacare without passing a single page of legislation?

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/obamacare-already-dead

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:32 AM

Trump loyalists sound alarm over ‘RyanCare,’ endangering health bill

A simmering rebellion of conservative populists loyal to President Trump is further endangering the GOP health-care push, with a chorus of influential voices suspicious of the proposal warning the president to abandon it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-loyalists-sound-alarm-ov
er-ryancare-endangering-health-bill/2017/03/14/cfc187e6-08dc-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.0224f700d2ae

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DREAMTROVE

Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:13 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Whatever. I really don't care what you think because you seem to think it's ok that THUGGER has followed me from thread to thread calling me a Russian troll for YEARS because of the things I don't post.

But you get tweaked when I return the favor one time.

BTW, my opinion of Kwicko was extremely high.

So was mine, but i can snark mike in his absence, because he's the reason i left. A bunch of lefty trolls were dogging me on some issue, and i said something about not being in any mood for a debate, and mike said something about oh, look DT is hiding behind his dead sister. That was enough for me.

Similarly, it was Mal4Prez and Byte who kicked CTS off, for all that she says it was Sig. I checked the logs. The fact is, we can't be emotionally affected by people whose input we *don't* care about.

It's like here, the above, discussion defending Mengelecare. Why argue?

If someone defends the indefensible, or promotes something on that level of pure evil, then they probably wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it were beating them to death with a led pipe.

If I explained that comment, some troll would just ask me to waste my time proving the obvious, rather than ever spend their time in search of the truth. If someone is already not reading both a left and right perspective on an issue, they're willfully ignorant and probably psychologically invested, and no amount of evidence or investment would ever sway them from their protective bubble.

My point is, who really suffers and who really benefits from trying to correct immovable objects.

THGRRI

Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:46 AM

Lets see if Republicans kill the Trump/Ryan replacement health care bill. If they do it's because their constituents don't want it. That will be the proof it sucks. No need for me to debate the details.

If they do manage to pass it. Goodbye house and senate in 2018 and presidency in 2020.

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THGRRI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:34 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Si Shen,

A little text in case people don't want watch or video won't play.

It's basically the GOP backing off of "Repeal and Replace" obamacare, to "Repair"

That said, Trump is still saying "Repeal and Replace" but I hope it's not "Health Savings accounts" like he said in the campaign. What a useless idea. I liked his "apply for state programs across state lines" within reason. You can't have all of America registered in Vermont. But being less locked in would be good.

I would hope if the video doesn't work someone would say so. Anyway, thanks for explaining what it is about. I think it plays because it plays for me even when I am not logged in. The ACA detractors here are afraid to speak. The number one slam here against Obama was the Affordable Care Act. Now that the Republicans hold all three branches of government, they cower. They could end it tomorrow so why does it still exist?

The house voted like 60 times to repeal it. So repeal it. And all those here that wanted it done in the first week of Trumps presidency, are now silent on the subject.

As I said, where's the beef. I'll tell you. They won't repeal it. They'll work on it as the democrats wanted since it's inception and claim they did what they promised, repealed it, bullshit. The ACA will endure.

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Told ya

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh me, oh my.

SECOND

Saturday, March 25, 2017 5:15 AM

Trump said today, “I never said I was going to repeal and replace in the first 61 days.” In fact, Trump said repeatedly as a candidate and before his inauguration that he would work to repeal the ACA on his first day in office. And congressional Republicans have spent the last seven years campaigning to undo the law.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republican-leaders-abruptly-pull
-their-rewrite-of-the-nation%E2%80%99s-health-care-law/ar-BByG2V1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump said today, “I never said I was going to repeal and replace in the first 61 days.” In fact, Trump said repeatedly as a candidate and before his inauguration that he would work to repeal the ACA on his first day in office. And congressional Republicans have spent the last seven years campaigning to undo the law.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republican-leaders-abruptly-pull
-their-rewrite-of-the-nation%E2%80%99s-health-care-law/ar-BByG2V1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yep, guess he's just a " LOSER "

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh me, oh my.

1KIKI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:08 AM

THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

JO753

Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:44 AM

Ryan sed "big stuf iz hard to do."

After laffing about that for a few owrz, I feel a litl sorry for him.

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http://www.7532020.com

1KIKI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:49 AM

I have no opinion on this. Obamacare is god-awful. Its replacement would also have been god-awful, but in a different way. There is no daylight between one kind of god-awful and another.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:35 AM

Obamacare was designed to fail, and quickly. It was unsustainable from the start. The Dems are probably thankful that they don't have power in any of the legislative branches at the moment so rather than be blamed for the failure, they can demonize the other side for getting rid of it.

1KIKI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
"I don't care so screw everyone else," says Kiki.

Actually 'G', I posted that I have no opinion because both plans were - I used this word - god-awful. You'd be hard pressed to find anywhere where I've indicated that I don't care.

In any case, YOU care so little that you've not posted one thing in this thread, except to troll. I guess trolling is all you care about.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:34 AM

Just as an aside, the failure to "repeal and replace" Obamacare just proves my earlier point about the limits of Presidential power:

The President of the USA has ONE .... repeat ONE ... area of strength:

FOREIGN POLICY.

TTP?

POOF!

TTIP?

POOF!

Domestic policy??? NOT SO MUCH!

That is why when "some" people (ahem!) were running at the mouth/ fingertips, breathlessly hyperventilating about Trump's fascist powers ... yanno, really, that is at the control of Congress.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

RIVERLOVE

Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:36 AM

Ain't it a shame, to be shot down in flames..

Perhaps Paul Ryan can get his old soda jerk job back at the Kokomo Dairy Queen. They offer Dental now.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:18 PM

Well, tell "us" Kiki what are the publicly available numbers on just how many people are going bankrupt - you know, before O-Care and after O-Care.

Enquiring minds want to know.

What fatal issues? What exactly are those numbers you speak of?

"The other is that the medical system itself is built to GENERATE PROFIT at every step of the way - doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, pharmaceutical manufacturers, medical equipment, medical supplies, laboratory testing, high-tech imaging, insurance - rather than provide actual care."

The above existed long before the ACA came into being, hence the need for affordable care. Whereas TrumpCare was built solely for extreme profits and having the "poor schmucks" pay for said profits. Followed by actual death panels. Ahhhh, the glorious Death Panels, remember them!?

Well, despite it's flaws, it looks like it will be around for a while.
What I don't understand is what do the Russians have to do with the epic fail of TrumpCare. I guess that will remain a Deep State secret.

Wait, I just thought of something. Didn't Trump blame the Dems for the failure to Repeal and Replace the ACA? Funny, I thought he would have blamed Obama.

SGG

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:20 PM

A perfect sentiment! Bravo!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Ain't it a shame, to be shot down in flames..

Perhaps Paul Ryan can get his old soda jerk job back at the Kokomo Dairy Queen. They offer Dental now.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:22 PM

Kremlin spank!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just as an aside, the failure to "repeal and replace" Obamacare just proves my earlier point about the limits of Presidential power:

The President of the USA has ONE .... repeat ONE ... area of strength:

FOREIGN POLICY.

TTP?

POOF!

TTIP?

POOF!

Domestic policy??? NOT SO MUCH!

That is why when "some" people (ahem!) were running at the mouth/ fingertips, breathlessly hyperventilating about Trump's fascist powers ... yanno, really, that is at the control of Congress.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:23 PM

OMG! He's on to us!

Ha!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Obamacare was designed to fail, and quickly. It was unsustainable from the start. The Dems are probably thankful that they don't have power in any of the legislative branches at the moment so rather than be blamed for the failure, they can demonize the other side for getting rid of it.

1KIKI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well, tell "us" Kiki what are the publicly available numbers on just how many people are going bankrupt - you know, before O-Care and after O-Care.

Enquiring minds want to know.

Google is useful if you REALLY want to know.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/08/468892489/medical-
bills-still-take-a-big-toll-even-with-insurance
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5019364/
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
There's plenty more if you search.

Quote:
What fatal issues? What exactly are those numbers you speak of?

In 2011 the CDC said there were 18.8 million people diagnosed with diabetes and 7.0 million people were undiagnosed. In 2014 the CDC said there were 21 million people with diabetes and 8.1 million undiagnosed. https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/pubs/pdf/ndfs_2011.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/data/statistics/2014statisticsreport.html
Since screening is free - why has the number of undiagnosed people gone up?

The other thing about Obamacare is that, while health screening is free, treatment is not. And since co-pays and deductibles are going up, it means that people may not be able to afford treatment. In 2011 73,282 died due to diabetes, a chronic but manageable disease. In 2014, that number went up to 76,488. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf

But if you look at ALL manageable chronic diseases: Diseases of heart, Chronic lower respiratory diseases, Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis, Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis, and Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease, and yes, diabetes - deaths have ALL gone up by the thousands in 3 short years.

65,274 MORE people died of treatable chronic disease in 2014 than 2011. Does that indicate Obamacare is bringing people better medical care?

And then of course, there are all the insurers who've left the market because the deep, deep well of unmet medical need was far more expensive to fill than anyone guessed.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Leave it to you to take your boy Trump's defeat and 24 million people not losing their coverage and turn it into something about you and how right you were. G@ddamn priceless.

And yet not a single post from you about all those people dying from lack of medical care. ALL you seem to be interested in is trolling.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:19 PM

I'm glad the current proposal was shot down. All it really was doing was eliminating the tax you have to pay for not having healthcare. Since the only reason the Supreme Court passed the ACA in the first place was because the deciding vote was granted by a Republican judge on the grounds that ACA was a tax.

Take away that tax and not only is ACA unconstitutional, but basically it doesn't even exist anymore and all that was accomplished in the last few years was that we managed to double the price of healthcare across the board and double the deductibles.

Something will be done about it.

SECOND

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm glad the current proposal was shot down. All it really was doing was eliminating the tax you have to pay for not having healthcare.

It really did $600 billion in tax breaks from 'Trumpcare'.
www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/mar/21/mark-pocan/america
s-wealthiest-get-600-billion-tax-breaks-rep/

$600 billion in tax breaks is a much bigger deal than $695 fee for not having health insurance in 2016 & 2017.
www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:08 PM

Either way, it was bad news. I didn't agree with it. It was doing as much to fix the actual problem as the ACA itself did, which is nothing.

SECOND

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Either way, it was bad news. I didn't agree with it. It was doing as much to fix the actual problem as the ACA itself did, which is nothing.

There is a list of things that could be done to improve Obamacare, without repealing it. Nothing on the list will be done because everything on the list costs money and money makes the world go around.
https://qz.com/941364

The real justification for Trumpcare is tax cuts. There can't be tax cuts if federal government spends more money on health care, leaving us where we started, except Trump already signed an executive order to sabotage Obamacare before repealing it.
www.csmonitor.com/Business/Saving-Money/2017/0125/What-Trump-s-executi
ve-order-on-Obamacare-repeal-means-for-your-health-care-coverage

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:35 PM

Inspector General Probes Trump Administration’s Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inspector-general-trump-health_us_
58d5fc2de4b03692bea63ff9

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.oh me, oh my.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:56 PM

Quote:
Leave it to you to take your boy Trump's defeat and 24 million people not losing their coverage and turn it into something about you and how right you were. G@ddamn priceless.= GSTRING

Well, my comment was meant as a way to say BUCK UP! The GOP in Congress is not a unified block, some (moderate) GOPers were afraid to vote for the Ryan version because it went too far, and some (radical) GOPers were afraid to vote for the Ryan version because it didn't go far enough. We can use that split to our advantage. Also, it's likely that the Senate wouldn't have voted for it either.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Inspector General Probes Trump Administration’s Move To Pull Obamacare Enrollment Ads

The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general has launched an investigation into the Trump administration’s decision to pull ads encouraging people to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during the enrollment period. By shutting down such outreach, the action could be seen as a stealth way to starve the health plan without legislative authority, critics say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inspector-general-trump-health_us_
58d5fc2de4b03692bea63ff9

I'm pretty sure that everybody knows about Obamacare now.

I haven't seen a TV commercial outside of the Superbowl in 10 years, but I always wondered why Coke and Pepsi spent all that money on ads.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Either way, it was bad news. I didn't agree with it. It was doing as much to fix the actual problem as the ACA itself did, which is nothing.
There is a list of things that could be done to improve Obamacare, without repealing it. Nothing on the list will be done because everything on the list costs money and money makes the world go around.
https://qz.com/941364

The real justification for Trumpcare is tax cuts. There can't be tax cuts if federal government spends more money on health care, leaving us where we started, except Trump already signed an executive order to sabotage Obamacare before repealing it.
www.csmonitor.com/Business/Saving-Money/2017/0125/What-Trump-s-executi
ve-order-on-Obamacare-repeal-means-for-your-health-care-coverage

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Obamacare doesn't need to be fixed. The healthcare industry as a whole needs to be fixed. Obamacare was designed to fail because it only handled health insurance while not touching the healthcare industry itself.

It should be completely scrapped, but at the same time there should be a lot of work done addressing the real problem.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:15 PM

This is far too large of an issue for me to discuss right now, but ...

The rightwing end of the GOP envisions - or at least propagandizes - a situation where healthcare is a bunch of country doctors competing for the dollars in your pocket. They believe - or at least propagandize - that "more competition" will solve all of our healthcare problems.

Needless to say, I don't believe that will happen, or help.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SECOND

Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The healthcare industry as a whole needs to be fixed. Obamacare was designed to fail because it only handled health insurance while not touching the healthcare industry itself.

It should be completely scrapped, but at the same time there should be a lot of work done addressing the real problem.

U.S. health care spending reached $9,990 per person in 2015. As a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.8 percent. That is exactly how the health care industry intended it to work. Since 17.8 percent is way out of line with every country in the world, I think Trump can reduce costs by firing all the greedy American doctors (keeping only the least greedy) and replace them with foreigners.

www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-oth
er-countries/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:35 PM

I'll use a personal example.

I cannot currently afford the care I need for work done in my mouth, but when you think of what it would actually entail, the price is very reasonable compared to minor procedures that a hospital would charge you.

I need laser treatment, followed by injections of powered bone matter. For the parts of my jaw that are too far gone for that treatment, the teeth need to be pulled, and I need to have cadaver bones surgically grafted to my jawbone. After that, I get the fake implanted teeth installed on these bone grafts.

All told, this amounts to about $20-25k worth of work.

15 years ago, I had a lump on one of my balls. I put it off a long time, but eventually I went in to get it checked. I had an old nurse lube me up and give me an ultrasound. The entire process was about 5 minutes. The bill for that? $2,800!!!

And that was 15 years ago.

The only reason that massive dental surgery is still somewhat reasonable is because the insurance game doesn't get involved in dental care. If it did, the work I need done would easily cost $100k.

It doesn't change the fact that I still can't afford it at current prices. It just illustrates that insurance is the reason that healthcare costs so much, and all the ACA did was make it that much less affordable for the ever-diminishing middle class.

SECOND

Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'll use a personal example.

It doesn't change the fact that I still can't afford it at current prices. It just illustrates that insurance is the reason that healthcare costs so much, and all the ACA did was make it that much less affordable for the ever-diminishing middle class.

What price can you afford? And you are aware that Canadians with no money don't have to go without healthcare just because they have no money? That is not the Canadian way; it's the American way!

At this point somebody says "You can go to an American Emergency Room if you have no money. They have to treat you!" Shirley's Father tried that and he died in the parking lot of the East Houston Regional Medical Center from a heart attack. The ER wasn't convinced he needed their help; mostly the ER was convinced he had no insurance. The American system was not designed to serve patients, although it does as a secondary goal. It was designed by doctors to make money, which is its primary goal. It is very successful at making money, which is why it consumes so much of the national income, far more than Canada or any other country. See the graph:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Sunday, March 26, 2017 12:32 AM

Quote:
some (moderate) GOPers were afraid to vote for the Ryan version because it went too far, and some (radical) GOPers were afraid to vote for the Ryan version because it didn't go far enough.

To take this very cogent argument about the president being powerful in foreign affairs and not so much with domestic affairs a bit sideways ... where were the democrats in all of this? Even if they don't have the votes, they should be serving up a cogent, pointed, opposition rhetoric.

I've tried to get it through the thick skulls of the people here mesmerized by the Trump cobra - there needs to be a democratic opposition if the party is to survive. Where is that opposition, SECOND?

Here is a critique of the party's failure on a different issue (because there wasn't even token opposition on the ACA)
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/22/al-frankens-grilling-of-gorsuch-expose
s-the-heartless-cruelty-behind-conservative-legal-philosophy/ "If the Democrats had any semblance of a coherent messaging apparatus, the Gorsuch nomination would be finished. But, of course, they don’t."

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 26, 2017 12:45 AM

The FACTS revealed by the CDC show fewer people are being DIAGNOSED with manageable chronic diseases in 2014 as compared to 2011.

The FACTS revealed by the CDC show that more people are DYING of manageable chronic diseases in 2014 as compared to 2011.

The FACTS reveal that insurers have dropped out of Obamacare because it's uneconomic, leaving many people with one, and only one, choice.

The FACTS reveal that deductibles, copays, and premiums, are going up under Obamacare, leaving even insured people at MEDICAL AND ECONOMIC risk.

Anyone care to comment?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'll use a personal example.

It doesn't change the fact that I still can't afford it at current prices. It just illustrates that insurance is the reason that healthcare costs so much, and all the ACA did was make it that much less affordable for the ever-diminishing middle class.
What price can you afford? And you are aware that Canadians with no money don't have to go without healthcare just because they have no money? That is not the Canadian way; it's the American way!

At this point somebody says "You can go to an American Emergency Room if you have no money. They have to treat you!" Shirley's Father tried that and he died in the parking lot of the East Houston Regional Medical Center from a heart attack. The ER wasn't convinced he needed their help; mostly the ER was convinced he had no insurance. The American system was not designed to serve patients, although it does as a secondary goal. It was designed by doctors to make money, which is its primary goal. It is very successful at making money, which is why it consumes so much of the national income, far more than Canada or any other country. See the graph:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm not arguing any of that.

You're talking about the ACTUAL problem that I mentioned earlier.

The problem that Obamacare did NOTHING to fix, and anything the Trump administration has proposed so far does NOTHING to fix.

I don't only propose getting rid of Obamacare, but getting rid of Health Insurance altogether and restructuring the entire healthcare industry from the ground up.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The FACTS revealed by the CDC show fewer people are being DIAGNOSED with manageable chronic diseases in 2014 as compared to 2011.

The FACTS revealed by the CDC show that more people are DYING of manageable chronic diseases in 2014 as compared to 2011.

The FACTS reveal that insurers have dropped out of Obamacare because it's uneconomic, leaving many people with one, and only one, choice.

The FACTS reveal that deductibles, copays, and premiums, are going up under Obamacare, leaving even insured people at MEDICAL AND ECONOMIC risk.

Anyone care to comment?

Only to say that I agree with all of this and have been saying it myself for quite some time.

JO753

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:32 AM

Obamacare had the same problem az alot uv haf ass solutionz: trying to patch up a pile uv junk insted uv replasing it.

If the GoPs werent blocking everything, we woud hav had a single payer expanded Medicare system. Get the entire paper storm jenerating insurans monstrosity off everybodyz back, especially employerz.

Its alwayz been about squeezing $$$ out uv peepl.

Everything gets crazy expensiv wen insurans iz available. Youv probably seen commercialz for insurans for mekanikl failure for carz. The alredy crooked mekaniks must be feeling like they are about to win the lottery!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

1KIKI

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
It would be great if you would propose a point and use links/cites to back it up instead of just dropping links. I don't know what to make of those.

Even Trump was smart enough to says 'it's complicated'. There are a lot of facts to grasp, and you need to weigh them against each other and in total to conclude anything of value. And I can't do your reading for you. Yanno - you can load a horse to water ...

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SECOND

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I've tried to get it through the thick skulls of the people here mesmerized by the Trump cobra - there needs to be a democratic opposition if the party is to survive. Where is that opposition, SECOND?

"If the Democrats had any semblance of a coherent messaging apparatus, the Gorsuch nomination would be finished. But, of course, they don’t."

“I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.” – Will Rogers (1935)

There won’t be much organized opposition because Democrats disagree with each other. The party is pulled in too many directions. It would fracture into mini-parties but for the fact that would make each little piece as irrelevant as the Green party and the Libertarians.

If the Democratic party was completely money oriented (making it, keeping it, wealth, lower taxes) like the Republican party, then because of the organizing power of money the Democratic politicians would have a much stronger organization. Think of the difference between Exxon and Goodwill Industries. That is the difference between Republican party and Democrats. But for fifty years the Democratic Party has had too many #1 priorities, besides money, while Republicans only have a single #1.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:51 AM

Don't worry G. It's only March. If they don't fix Obamacare soon, there are going to be pitchforks on the white house lawn when the rate increases come in November.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:55 AM

Quote:
Now they want to "let it die!"

All indications are that Obamacare will collapse under its internal weaknesses. Of course, only time will tell. But Obamacare is certainly a failure on the medical level. It's time to move on.

Hey! There's always hope the DEMOCRATS will come up with something that will get the entire country fired up and agitating for it!

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SECOND

Sunday, March 26, 2017 2:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I don't only propose getting rid of Obamacare, but getting rid of Health Insurance altogether and restructuring the entire healthcare industry from the ground up.

Good for you! That would be the Medicare For All option. Talked about in the Senate in 2009, but it would not get 60 votes. The Republicans always hated Medicare. They don't want it expanded to younger than 65. Best that could happen is dropping the eligibility age to 64, then 63, then 62, . . . then 2, 1, 0 stretched out over a century.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Sunday, March 26, 2017 2:08 AM

Quote:
I'm in DC right now - and the town is out of pitch forks.

Are you implying that you're one of the self-important fuck-ups that brought this country to its sorry state?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SECOND

Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Quote:
I'm in DC right now - and the town is out of pitch forks.
Are you implying that you're one of the self-important fuck-ups that brought this country to its sorry state?

The Republican party brought this country to its sorry state and they prospered doing it, too. That is why they did it.

A coming example of sorrow caused by Republicans for the benefit of their party: "With the collapse of Republicans’ health plan in the House on Friday, the Trump administration is set to ramp up its efforts to weaken the Affordable Care Act in one of the few ways it has left—by making changes to the law through waivers and rule changes."

1kiki, when Obamacare collapses because of Trump's machinations, are you going to claim it was the Democrats' fault? The Democrats have nothing to gain while the Republican have much prestige to gain by wrecking Obamacare. And so Trump will do what he can to wreck it, then blame the ACA failure on anyone except himself.

www.wsj.com/articles/with-gop-plan-dead-trump-eyes-other-ways-to-resha
pe-health-care-1490434201

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:42 AM

Obamacare bad.
Ryancare bad.

Let's go back to Fuckyoucare. That worked just fine for 235 years. Darwinism demands survival of the fittest.

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:42 AM

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I don't only propose getting rid of Obamacare, but getting rid of Health Insurance altogether and restructuring the entire healthcare industry from the ground up.
Good for you! That would be the Medicare For All option. Talked about in the Senate in 2009, but it would not get 60 votes. The Republicans always hated Medicare. They don't want it expanded to younger than 65. Best that could happen is dropping the eligibility age to 64, then 63, then 62, . . . then 2, 1, 0 stretched out over a century.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I might be open to this option.

I'm big enough to admit that I wasn't before, but what we have now clearly isn't working, both pre and post Obamacare. I'm technically not on Obmamacare myself. Indiana has the "Healthy Indiana Plan", which is an extension of Medicare. I don't know how that would work in a state like Illinois though, where Medicare is beyond broke.

Even if the only way to pass this was to do yearly incrementals like you suggest, it would still be better than nothing if this would be a better option.

I am for smaller government in almost every aspect of our lives, but there are some things I think the government would be better at doing. I'm not saying I'm convinced that Healthcare is one of them, but I'm open to the idea of it simply because of what a failure the current unsustainable system has become.

JO753

Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Trump's and the GOP's attitude toward ObamaCare has been petty, vindictive, punitive, like they wanted to KILL it and him in more ways than one. It was a rallying cry for all of those Obama haters, "join us as we dismantle and destroy that blank!" The language has been all too obvious for anyone paying just a little attention. It was more about satiating the anger towards Obama than Health Care.

Spot on!

Universal helthcare iz sumthing Prezidents hav wanted sins Teddy Roosevelt, making it a prize that you can not let your opponent take. Its a perfect exampl uv how the system failz to control political partyz.

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6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 26, 2017 6:23 AM

A lot of the people who voted for Trump are people who voted for Obama. Most of the people who voted for both Hillary and Obama are on Obamacare or make so much money that it doesn't matter where they get their healthcare.

The people who flipped in the middle likely wanted change on Obamacare as well as other things. I still think that the massive health insurance increases that came out about 10 days before the election played a much larger role in Hillary losing than Comey did.

The ACA is a far cry from Universal Health Care. It's just a huge unfair tax on the middle class.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:24 AM

Quote:
Universal helthcare iz sumthing Prezidents hav wanted sins Teddy Roosevelt, making it a prize that you can not let your opponent take.

So, what has prevented its implementation?

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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JO753

Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:39 PM

Warring gangz. The Demz vs The GoPs.

If the Prez iz a Republican, the Demz stop any attempt at healthcare reform az quickly az they can. If the Prez iz a Democrat, the GoPs stop any attempt at healthcare reform az quickly az they can.

And the insurans industry haz alwayz revved up their lobbyists wenever their wuz any wispering about reform. New Prezidents usually giv up the campane promis on Day 1. Just too big a mountain to clime.

Herez a breif history:
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a-brief-history-universal-health-care-effort
s-in-the-us

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THGRRI

Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:15 PM

A vote for Trumps health care bill, means you too can look as good as this guy.

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6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Warring gangz. The Demz vs The GoPs.

If the Prez iz a Republican, the Demz stop any attempt at healthcare reform az quickly az they can. If the Prez iz a Democrat, the GoPs stop any attempt at healthcare reform az quickly az they can.

And the insurans industry haz alwayz revved up their lobbyists wenever their wuz any wispering about reform. New Prezidents usually giv up the campane promis on Day 1. Just too big a mountain to clime.

Herez a breif history:
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a-brief-history-universal-health-care-effort
s-in-the-us

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http://www.7532020.com

I don't know if this is really true though J0. I don't think either side actually wants it (The politicans, and other high level government employees, I mean). They already have great healthcare for life. They gain nothing by fixing the system.

There have been quite a few periods in time when the "stars aligned" and it still didn't get done.

Obama had that at one point, and all we got was the ACA. Trump has it right now and all we get is a failed proposal that also wouldn't fix anything.

I think they're all putting up a front. It's good business to pretend that you give a shit in politics. It's usually bad for the bottom line to actually give a shit.

THGRRI

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:06 PM

Undermining Obamacare Would Cause A Lot Of Pain In Trump Territory

Sabotage could hit rural areas and the South hardest.

If President Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress want to undermine the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, they’re going to be wreaking havoc in the places their voters call home.

In counties with just one or two insurers offering coverage through the law’s new exchanges, 54.5 percent of residents voted for Trump in 2016, while just 40.8 percent voted for Clinton, according to a Huffington Post analysis of election returns and data from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation.

Overall, among the roughly 62 million voters in those counties, 34 million cast ballots for Trump while 25 million went

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-voters-obamacare-sabotage_us
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6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:30 PM

I might take those numbers seriously if you can find another source besides the huffington post.

RIVERLOVE

Thursday, March 30, 2017 3:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I might take those numbers seriously if you can find another source besides the huffington post.

I tend to believe it regardless. These people been screaming for years to repeal Obamacare, until they realize they might lose theirs. Then they scream Replace. Sure, no problem.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, March 30, 2017 4:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I might take those numbers seriously if you can find another source besides the huffington post.

I tend to believe it regardless. These people been screaming for years to repeal Obamacare, until they realize they might lose theirs. Then they scream Replace. Sure, no problem.

You've got a point there. Go ahead and take mine away. I'm not using it.

I'm really starting to like this whole sobriety thing. Seems I care less and less about all this bullshit everyday. They're going to do whatever it is they want to do in the long run and just keep us fighting each other and pretend that they're not just 2 sides of the same coin.

I got my hobbies and my family, and eventually I'll find some sort of job to take up most of my time.

All we need to do is legalize weed in Indiana and I'm set.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I might take those numbers seriously if you can find another source besides the huffington post.

I tend to believe it regardless. These people been screaming for years to repeal Obamacare, until they realize they might lose theirs. Then they scream Replace. Sure, no problem.

Obamacare isn't healthcare. It's a money engine with constant denial of care. My condition which was initially easily treatable, just gets worse and worse as I continue on Obamacare. My sister of course lost her life in a denial of care situation that was directly connected to Obama's healthcare executive orders, so it's worth saying that it's not just the insurance product Obamacare, but the related ethics panels, etc. It's really no care at al, so its disappearance would have on effect.

The conflation of a paid service with what that service says its going to do is a common weakness in American politics and in our economy.

THGRRI

Thursday, March 30, 2017 7:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I might take those numbers seriously if you can find another source besides the huffington post.

I tend to believe it regardless. These people been screaming for years to repeal Obamacare, until they realize they might lose theirs. Then they scream Replace. Sure, no problem.

You've got a point there. Go ahead and take mine away. I'm not using it.

I'm really starting to like this whole sobriety thing. Seems I care less and less about all this bullshit everyday. They're going to do whatever it is they want to do in the long run and just keep us fighting each other and pretend that they're not just 2 sides of the same coin.

I got my hobbies and my family, and eventually I'll find some sort of job to take up most of my time.

All we need to do is legalize weed in Indiana and I'm set.

You need to get yourself to some AA meeting. They'll explain to you that an alcoholic can not exchange one drug for another. If you like your sobriety, you need to come to terms with the fact your getting high days are over.

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oh my.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:24 AM

Thanks for the tip.

How many alcoholics do you think are on anti-depressants or other drugs once they got sober?

How many people who never did a "drug" in their life do you think are on pharmaceuticals?

Do you drink coffee?

I'll be just fine on my weed when I start smoking again.

RIVERLOVE

Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I got my hobbies and my family, and eventually I'll find some sort of job to take up most of my time.

All we need to do is legalize weed in Indiana and I'm set.

".. said Coloradee is the place you ought to be, so he loaded up his truck and moved to the land of weed. Legal that is .. cannabis pools .. sativa stars."

JO753

Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:37 AM

Bernie introdused a medicare for all bill today.

Herez hiz paje about it:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

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1KIKI

Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:47 AM

not in the NYTimes home page today

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1KIKI

Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:58 AM

or the LATimes
or CNN
or the New Yorker, Miami Herald, or Chicago Tribune.
Not the WaPo, USAToday, ABC, NBC, or CBS.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
".. said Coloradee is the place you ought to be, so he loaded up his truck and moved to the land of weed. Legal that is .. cannabis pools .. sativa stars."

lol

I don't know what the hell I was thinking. I bought a house in probably the last state that will legalize it.

RIVERLOVE

Thursday, March 30, 2017 7:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
".. said Coloradee is the place you ought to be, so he loaded up his truck and moved to the land of weed. Legal that is .. cannabis pools .. sativa stars."

lol

I don't know what the hell I was thinking. I bought a house in probably the last state that will legalize it.

I don't know what kind of go se you smoke in Indiana, but I guarantee it cannot even come close to what they've got for sale in Colorado. I was out there last year with a friend on a ski vacation. First day we stopped in one of the many pot shops and bought a few pre-rolled. Took a few puffs, then went to Starbucks for lattes. Lemme tell you, we rode on the No-Pain Train all frikkin' day.

THGRRI

Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Thanks for the tip.

How many alcoholics do you think are on anti-depressants or other drugs once they got sober?

How many people who never did a "drug" in their life do you think are on pharmaceuticals?

Do you drink coffee?

I'll be just fine on my weed when I start smoking again.

Dumb response. Go back and look at your old posts. You'll be that guy again in short order, with that kind of thinking.

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6STRINGJOKER

Friday, March 31, 2017 12:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
".. said Coloradee is the place you ought to be, so he loaded up his truck and moved to the land of weed. Legal that is .. cannabis pools .. sativa stars."

lol

I don't know what the hell I was thinking. I bought a house in probably the last state that will legalize it.

I don't know what kind of go se you smoke in Indiana, but I guarantee it cannot even come close to what they've got for sale in Colorado. I was out there last year with a friend on a ski vacation. First day we stopped in one of the many pot shops and bought a few pre-rolled. Took a few puffs, then went to Starbucks for lattes. Lemme tell you, we rode on the No-Pain Train all frikkin' day.

So I've been told. One of the guys I worked with at the Mart took a month long road trip to Colorado and stayed with a friend of his when they legalized it. Got a picture of him smoking out of a glass pipe as big as your head right next to a cop.

I hear the edibles are pretty great too, but I'm good with just regular 'ol weed. I only smoked to get really high when I was a dumb kid. Most of the 15 years that I smoked I just had a hitter box and took a few puffs every now and then after work. A $60 bag of suburban better-than-average black market weed lasted me a month or two.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 31, 2017 3:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

Lemme tell you, we rode on the No-Pain Train all frikkin' day.

You couldn't ride the train that goes places, because the conductor was like "i'm not feeling it today, man"

THGRRI

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:37 AM

Dueling Obamacare ads confront members of Congress as future of health-care law hangs in balance

The ads are "calling out" seven GOP House members by name "for their failure to stand up and protect their constituents from a disastrous right wing healthcare repeal bill," Save My Care said in an announcement of the campaign.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/obamacare-ads-confront-house-members-as
-health-law-reform-stalls.html

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Dueling Obamacare ads confront members of Congress as future of health-care law hangs in balance

The ads are "calling out" seven GOP House members by name "for their failure to stand up and protect their constituents from a disastrous right wing healthcare repeal bill," Save My Care said in an announcement of the campaign.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/obamacare-ads-confront-house-members-as
-health-law-reform-stalls.html

What planet are ou on?
I've never seen ads such as those.

THGRRI

Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Dueling Obamacare ads confront members of Congress as future of health-care law hangs in balance

The ads are "calling out" seven GOP House members by name "for their failure to stand up and protect their constituents from a disastrous right wing healthcare repeal bill," Save My Care said in an announcement of the campaign.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/obamacare-ads-confront-house-members-as
-health-law-reform-stalls.html

What planet are ou on?
I've never seen ads such as those.

I posted an article from CNBC. If you wish to know the answer to your question, read it.

THGRRI

Monday, July 3, 2017 2:24 AM

How Repealing Portions of the Affordable Care Act Would Affect Health Insurance Coverage and Premiums

Effects on Insurance Coverage. By CBO and JCT’s estimates, enacting H.R. 3762 would increase the number of people without health insurance coverage by about 27 million in the year following the elimination of the Medicaid expansion and marketplace subsidies and by 32 million in 2026, relative to the number of uninsured people expected under current law. (The number of people without health insurance would be smaller if, in addition to the changes in H.R. 3762, the insurance market reforms mentioned above were also repealed. In that case, the increase in the number of uninsured people would be about 21 million in the year following the elimination of the Medicaid expansion and marketplace subsidies; that figure would rise to about 23 million in 2026.)

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52371

THGRRI

Monday, July 3, 2017 2:30 AM

Report: Pennsylvania could lose 85,000 jobs by 2026 under House GOP health-care plan

A new report released on Wednesday says the House Republican healthcare overhaul plan could result in nearly 1 million jobs being lost nationwide by 2026 and almost 85,000 jobs lost in Pennsylvania, second highest only to New York.

http://triblive.com/home/12408544-74/report-pennsylvania-could-lose-85
000-jobs-by-2026-under-house-gop-health-care

THGRRI

Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:24 PM

Senate GOP Releases Revised Affordable Care Act Repeal-And-Replace Plan

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/13/537040114/senate-gop-releases-revised-af
fordable-care-act-repeal-and-replace-plan

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, July 14, 2017 3:19 PM

I'm a little curious Kiki. I've read the above posts, responses and comments on this topic. You ask for cites, but I've noticed that none of your posts have any cites regarding your claims about what's wrong with the ACA.

Now, you do state your opinion and post the positive aspects of the ACA, which most people are aware of, but no cites as to the negative aspects. I'm assuming that you want cites so as to verify the veracity of a person's claims on the matter, but I wonder about the double standard here. Am I missing something?

My contribution:

The ACA has been around since 2010 (virtually copied from RomneyCare). The Republicans have gone all out to "Repeal and Replace" to no avail, but this year, since the shellacking of the Democrats in 2016 (which many took great pleasure in rubbing "our" noses in it), and the subsequent Republican majority in all three branches of government, they continue to fail miserably to garner a solution.

Now, it does not take a cite to realize and recognize that failure. It's been in existence for 7 years, and, to this point, they have not come with a replacement. I'm not going to claim I know the reasons why, just that they've had 7 years and here we are - still nothing, with both houses and the exec in the White House. Hiding in back rooms and "covering" their paper so that none can see. Keeping secrets from the Dems and the people whom they represent. No public hearings, no cooperation....nothing.

I suggest that we adopt the Universal Health Care system of Australia, the U.K. or Canada. All seem to be functioning at higher levels than the "greatest" country in the world (although some may argue that Russia is that country).

Just saying...

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
On another topic, your idea that insurance (money) distorted the medical marketplace and turned it into 1) a big-money racket and 2) screwed the consumer with only a consumer's ability to pay is interesting.

For myself, I'd need to see that insurance coverage (numbers of people, dollar amounts, services covered) went up first, followed by prices. But like a lot of other interesting things, I don't have the time to do the research. So unless you or someone can provide me with supporting information, I'm going to put that into the 'interesting/ waiting for information' bin.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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