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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:41 AM

Isn't Deep State merely the pseudo-avatar for Obama and his coup?

https://www.ofa.us/

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:55 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Meh. Obama had a lot stronger foreign ties than Kenya. As did Hillary. Meh to Trump too, but he has the lowest number of favors owed by anyone elected in my lifetime. Russia? Not that worried.

Edit.

So some people in Ukraine, a nation that has a 40% ethnic Russian minority, has some people who are pro-Russia. Color me surprised. Also, is it a reason to panic that a neighboring country has supporters? Would we panic if Canada was pro-American, or even pro-Mexican?

Also, speaking of, we live in a country with a 20% ethnic Latino minority, which has basically always been there ever since we conquered northern Mexico. That population is probably pro-Mexican. Is that a threat to national security? In order for there to be a parallel, the US latino populations slant toward pro-Mexico would have to be a threat to the national security of Russia.

I just don't see it.

A lot of questions in what you post and speculation in the conclusions you come to. Since you have a distain for education you will never know what is what without someone telling you.

So, because I am educated I will help you out by telling you, you are wrong. Do what an educated person would do; research. I promise if you research your questions you will come to different conclusions.

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1KIKI

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:00 AM

I was surprised that all the videos pointed to the deep state as the source of the (completely fabricated) anti-Russia hysteria and the ongoing attempted soft-coup against Trump.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:28 AM

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It always astonishes me that people will defend Trump for not publicizing his tax returns. And for continuing to own a worldwide business while in the White House. (Yes, he signed papers for his sons' convenience, but he still owns the business.) Have you not paid any attention to why what Trump is doing has not been done by past Presidents? Not by any of them, ever.

I guess I didn't care. If you're going to cheat ... like, say, setting up a Foundation so you can collect massive "donations" from Gulf States, only to see those donations dry up when your Presidential campaign fails ... well then, I guess you're going to cheat.

I personally think that looking at the RESULTS of a President's policies ... not looking at their their tax returns or listening to the excuses, rationalizations, and lies that they tell us to get our buy-in ... is the best test of a conflict of interest.

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It is NO EXTRA WORK for him to reveal his taxes. With his tax returns and business deals kept secret, Trump is free to take bribes even while he is in office.

How does that even make sense? If he releases his tax returns, he can still take bribes.

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If you think it is moral for Trump to be running his own business, with all the

presumed

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conflicts between his secret business deals and being the U.S. President, you are looney.

SECOND, please be prepared to do your own assessment of the President's commitment to our collective interests, not depending on some form-filling and checkbox-checking to do that for you. Despite what Obama has said, the wealth gap is greater than ever and we have destroyed even more nations and are mired in even more conflicts than ever before.

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Again, we'll find out how crazy things get in the White House with all of Trump's new business freedom that no previous President had.

If THIS is the source of your angst, you have got to get a grip!

There are far more important problems with Trump than his tax records, or "Russia"!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:32 AM

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Uranium deal is FALSE. www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

Second,

1) Chill.
2) Snopes is not a source
* if you read a snopes entry, they tend to admit their false is mostly true.
3) I understand the issue very well.

A Canadian company owned the mining rights due to NAFTA, a Clinton deal. In the years leading up to the purchase and transfer, gave millions to the Clintons. Putin gave Bill a $500k speaking fee for announcing the Russian sale. The Sec. of State Hillary Ok'd the deal, and the administration did nothing. It looks like a very bad nat'l sec. issue. It' certainly looks worse than anything that HRC & co is about to uncover. They are very unlikely to find anything on tax forms. Sounds like a talking point.

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It always astonishes me that people will defend Trump for not publicizing his tax returns.

Why would I defend Trump? I'm a democrat, and voted for Bernie. Trump's tax returns are unlikely to reveal national security threats. Real estate and a reality TV show?

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And for continuing to own a worldwide business while in the White House.

Doesn't bother me.
Did Sec. of State's Clinton Foundation or Chelsea's hedgefund bother you?

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Have you not paid any attention to why what Trump is doing has not been done by past Presidents? Not by any of them, ever.

Okay, he does things differently. It's not like we're squeaky clean. Our last three administrations all committed genocide.

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It is NO EXTRA WORK for him to reveal his taxes.

Second, take a second and think about this.

Doesn't this whole thing sound exactly like the birther argument?

Obama's Birth Certificate: Document didn't exist. But so what? No one in 1961 goes to Kenya to have a chile a) there is no Kenya until 1963 b) no UK citizenship for Kenyans. It's worth nothing. Obviously an American would have a US baby.

GOP: But no Document!

Okay. Yes, no document, but Obama's not going to say that, because that would have just been used to impeach him on a technicality. So instead he says "Document!" even if he has to forge it.

It's a pointless argument. What are we going to do, install John McCain?

Trump's taxes.
Junk bonds and shady real estate deals. Anything can and will be used against him by the press and the Clintons to impeach him. Is he going to release documents just to help them? To install HRC? If he wanted to do that he could have thrown the election.

There's no secret Russian nuclear conspiracy. There are bad condo deals. And those, like a non-existent birth certificate, is potentially impeachable if the figures didn't add up. Which they probably don't. So what? Presidents commit 10 impeachable offenses a day before breakfast. Are we going to throw out an election and install someone who know sold US nuclear resources to Russia because of it?

Plus, the added civil war you automatically get for overthrowing democracy.

Seriously,

Read Sig's Deep State thread we're on. This the sort of thing. Sig is no kind of Trump supporter. She's an actual socialist. I'm not, I'm a centrist democrat. Obama and Hillary appall me. Trump probably will too, but I have to give him a chance to first.

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a wise way to run the USA

Who has any idea? It's not like HRC, BHO or GWB knew a wise way to run the country, neither did Bill. Maybe The Donald and little Ivanka have a plan. I wait to see what it is before I condemn it. After the unending genocidal war, shredding of the constitution and environmental disaster* we've gone through, it's hard to see why continuing the status quo would help at all.

* I expect Trump to be worse on the environment, not better.

Then I expect any healthcare plan has to be better than what we have. I could be wrong on both accounts. What do I know? Or any of us. Maybe the EPA is actually part of th

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:40 AM

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but only if stoked.

No one seemed to worry about the rise of antisemitism in Europe, the rise of German power, or the spread of nuclear weapons on this level, except to certain states, Iran, NK.

So sure, there are old cold war paranoids out there, but they don't jump unless someone pushes the button.

Select to view spoiler:

HRC gave this to Lavrov, which reset us back to 1984, apparently

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I was surprised that all the videos pointed to the deep state as the source of the (completely fabricated) anti-Russia hysteria and the ongoing attempted soft-coup against Trump.

All you SIG and your new friend are doing is showing yourselves to be conspiracy theorists, which means paranoid. Deep state = paranoia. When, err, if Trump falls it will be because this is America not Russia because we have the rule of law.

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DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:08 AM

You're on a gorram Firefly fan site.

Srsly?

Conspiracy theorists?

There's an ongoing everlasting argument as to whether the message of the show is more right wing or left wing, but one thing it is in the extreme is conspiracy theorist. Govt conspiracies. Corporate Conspiracies. Criminal conspiracies. Even the crew members conspire.

You have watched the show, haven't you?

ps. New friends? Click on someone's name to see how long they've been a member of this forum for.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:22 AM

I never noticed you could do that DT. Damn, I've been here for 11 years now. So what does 3,300 credits buy me around here?

P.S. Isn't all of this talk about what Russia may or may not have done a conspiracy theory by definition?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:24 AM

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