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Meanwhile, as Greece struggles to unshackle itself from IMF aid, Ukraine puts on the yoke

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THGRRI

Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29 AM

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…Sig
WHAT "support structures"? Tanks need fuel and ammo. They have a crew of three: commander, gunner, and driver. Once those are in place, they're pretty independent, and isn't that kind of the point of tanks- not needing a lot of support structure? Sheesh, pretty soon you'll be talking about those (invisible) WMDs!

It is now apparent to all who understand how logistics within the military work, that you don’t have a clue. Tanks are usually deployed to support companies or at the very least a platoon. You seem to think they just go off on their own. They would be easy targets for a disciplined army if that were true. They also require a lot of maintenance. Who is to do that?

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You know, the same troops that shot down the civilian airliner.

Sig...uh huh. And that's my polite response, because at this end, I'm laughing my ass off.

As I said in my last post to you. Your false concern for others is grotesque in that you only use it as a tool against others and as a way of deflecting culpability away from Russia.

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Great to see you realize these provinces in Ukraine are not a part of Russia. So why do you continue to excuse Russia’s meddling as though it is lawful?

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I didn't say it was lawful, I said it was NEGLIGIBLE. It would be nice if you would learn to read with comprehension. That must be why you joined the military: limited opportunity in the civilian sector.

That’s real progress for you. Admitting the Russians are fighting in Ukraine. It took months of myself and others siting prof to get you to do so. Still it is telling that you insist their presence is negligible with so many people dying and suffering the way they are because of it.

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Well, if you REALLY want to go back into history, Crimea was part of Russia until 1954, when it was given to Ukraine. So how far back to you want to go?

And this is your justification for supporting Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine? What is your justification for supporting Russia’s annexing parts of Georgia?

Crimea and adjacent territories were united in the Crimean Khanate during the 15th to 18th century before falling to the Russian Empire and being organized as its Taurida Oblast in 1783. At this point in time Crimea was declared independent.

What’s my point? Suggesting there is a history between Russia and Ukraine is fine; there is. To research that to understand why people believe what they do is helpful. But to suggest Russia has rights in deciding what occurs within the borders of Ukraine because of their histories takes subjective reasoning. Reasoning based on opinions and feelings rather than on facts, evidence or laws. When it comes to the legality of who has the right to govern within Ukraine’s borders, the Ukrainian’s did not concede those rights to Russia.

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You have this fixed idea that somehow the Russian military - under Russian command- are in Ukraine killing thousands of people.
My way of figuring out who is doing what is simply to think about who has killed the most people. In this case, that would be Kiev. So it seems to me that the Kiev government itself has no concern for the well-being of its citizens.

Of course, this way you to get to place the blame on the Ukrainian government. Your logic and statistics are arrived at subjectively based on what you want to project. If not for Russia’s interference this would have been over long ago.

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In any case, unless some nation comes and rescues Ukraine's ass, the government will be facing yet another ouster in a few years, maybe even a violent one. And I'm looking around, and I don't see many nations willing to step forward with several truckloads of cash. Germany??? No, they paid for East Germany and they're still struggling to get their $$$ back from Greece. France? Austria? The USA? Ukraine is the economic hot potato that nobody wants to be stuck with. But not to worry: It's

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SIGNYM

Thursday, January 1, 2015 1:46 PM

THUGR, since this thread is about Greece but you apparently just can't resist dragging Ukraine into every possible thread, my response to you here is:

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What-ever

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According to various Euro wesbsites, Greeks will be treated to a unending shitstream of MSM scaremongering against Syriza. The snap elections will be January 25.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 2, 2015 12:26 AM

Berlin (AFP) - Europe no longer needs to rescue Greece as the country has lost its "systemic relevance" to the eurozone and its power of political "blackmail," a senior German lawmaker said Wednesday.

Fears of a potential Greek exit from the eurozone have rattled markets since a political crisis in Athens led to early elections, called for late January, in which a leftist anti-austerity party has good prospects of winning, threatening to unwind painful reforms.

Michael Fuchs, deputy parliamentary leader of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives, suggested the idea of Greece breaching its commitments to creditors and eventually leaving the single currency bloc was no longer a doomsday scenario.

"The situation is entirely different than three years ago," Fuchs told the Rheinische Post daily.

"The times when we had to rescue Greece are over. There is no potential for blackmail anymore. Greece is no longer of systemic relevance for the euro."

He stressed that "if Alexis Tsipras of the Greek leftist party Syriza believes he can roll back the reform efforts and savings measures of Greece, then the troika will also have to roll back the loans for Greece".

Syriza, currently the front-runner in polls, has pledged to unwind many of the reforms imposed by the so-called "troika" of the International Monetary Fund, European Union and European Central Bank -- by cutting taxes and increasing state aid and public services.

Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras warned Tuesday that the financially-stricken nation may be forced out of the eurozone if the election is won by Syriza.

The European Union has renewed its calls on Greeks to stick by the often painful reforms adopted as part of a massive international bailout for the eurozone member state.

http://news.yahoo.com/eurozone-no-longer-rescue-greece-german-mp-16162
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:44 AM

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After seven years of bailouts, Greeks sink yet deeper in poverty
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-greece-poverty-idUSKBN15Z1N
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German Minister Calls For 'Plan B': "Greece Should Pledge Gold, Real Estate For New Loans" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/german-minister-calls-plan-b-
greece-should-pledge-gold-real-estate-new-loans

Because the globalists are your friends, in addition to being your loan sharks.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:18 AM

Oh what a self defeatist idea for the west

All that will happen if they bury Ukraine in debt is the Kremlin will offer to bail them out. And we lose again. This is a stupid conflict we shouldn't be fighting. It is very much as if China had decided that it wanted to get a foothold in N. America by taking over an independent Quebec. It's a doomed plan. We wouldn't invade, but there would be no way for that situation to end well for the Chinese.

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Sig,

Na, it's about Ukraine, you start out with a post about Ukraine.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:43 AM

Yep, you're right. I couldn't find the old thread about Greece. My bad! I jacked my own thread!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:07 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Oh what a self defeatist idea for the west

All that will happen if they bury Ukraine in debt is the Kremlin will offer to bail them out. And we lose again. This is a stupid conflict we shouldn't be fighting. It is very much as if China had decided that it wanted to get a foothold in N. America by taking over an independent Quebec. It's a doomed plan. We wouldn't invade, but there would be no way for that situation to end well for the Chinese.

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Sig,

Na, it's about Ukraine, you start out with a post about Ukraine.

What's the worry? Trumps going to fix everything

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THGRRI

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Oh what a self defeatist idea for the west

All that will happen if they bury Ukraine in debt is the Kremlin will offer to bail them out. And we lose again. This is a stupid conflict we shouldn't be fighting. It is very much as if China had decided that it wanted to get a foothold in N. America by taking over an independent Quebec. It's a doomed plan. We wouldn't invade, but there would be no way for that situation to end well for the Chinese.

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Sig,

Na, it's about Ukraine, you start out with a post about Ukraine.

GDP United States $17.95 trillion USD (2015) vs. Russian Federation · GDP (current US$) $1.33 trillion USD (2015)

I think we can afford it. To not assist means we will pay a much higher bill later. And hey, how about we criticize the aggressor here and not everyone else.
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JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, February 1, 2023 6:31 PM

Mitsotakis calls out Turkey's "fence sitting" over Ukraine war, says Greece won't send Leopard 2 tanks
https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/01/31/mitsotakis-calls-out-turkeys-ukr
aine/

Russia on Relations With Greece: “We Used to Be Friends”
https://greekreporter.com/2023/01/24/russia-greece-friends-no-more/
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Russia “used to be friends with Greece” until Athens submitted to “American demands,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov

Greece slams Turkey for not sanctioning Russia
https://www.teletrader.com/greece-slams-turkey-for-not-sanctioning-rus
sia/news/details/59368946

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 20, 2024 6:54 PM

Greece Implements Six-Day Work Week Starting July 1
https://greekcitytimes.com/2024/06/20/greece-six-day-work-week

Greece Plans Early Repayment of €8 Billion in Bailout Loans
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-12/greece-plans-early-
repayment-of-8-billion-in-bailout-loans