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SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 3:30 PM

WHAT IS THE DEEP STATE? The liberal view.

Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now" interviews Glenn Greenwald about the deep state

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What [the DNC] is doing instead is to take maybe the only faction that is worse than Trump ... which is the deep state, with a history of atrocities ... and say that they ought to engage in almost a "soft coup"

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 3:34 PM

IS THE DEEP STATE AT WAR WITH TRUMP? The Libertarian view.

Ron Paul's Liberty Report interviews Phil Giraldi

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 3:42 PM

And for good measure, a view of the DEEP STATE from Alex Jones' alt right INFOWARS.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 3:50 PM

The Deep State per neocon Bill Kristol

Quote:
“Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics,” Kristol tweeted Tuesday. “But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state.”

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 4:19 PM

MISSING IN ACTION:

Democratic Party leadership discussion of the deep state

Republican Party leadership discussion of the deep state

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 5:09 PM

My personal POV

Deep State was an idea that was formed in my lifetime as a poster on this board. So was American nationalism. You should therefore see a reflection of their genesis in my posts here. A quick recap on the evolution of the idea in my own personal history:

During Bill Clinton's tenure, I was almost completely consumed by our daughter's deteriorating neurological status, so my attention was focused elsewhere. Not SO distracted that I failed to notice Bill's pro-corporate economic and social policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, repeal of Glass Steagall, Commodity Futures Trading Modernization Act, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, DOMA, DADT, destruction of welfare as we know it, failure to enact meaningful health care reform, etc.) that I voted for him the second time- I didn't- but distracted that HIS destruction of Yugoslavia kind of blew by me.

GWB. The thing that stuck out for me ... aside from his even more pro-corporate stance and his destruction of the financial system ... was how little the invasion of Afghanistan made sense, and then how even more nonsensical was the invasion of Iraq. The invasions were CLEARLY carried out for specious reasons and propelled on a wave of media-hyped hysteria. There was no benefit to America at all, and the only motivation that I could think of that matched the expense was to support the petrodollar. Still, all in all, I thought the invasions were huge miscalculations.

But then, Obama made the same serial "errors" ... destabilizing Ukraine, destroying Libya, destroying Sudan, destablizing Yemen, and attempting to destroy Syria .... in most cases leaving giant smoking jihadist-filled ruins in their wake .... and I came to realize that these weren't serial errors on the part of the Administrations (all of them) but DELIBERATE POLICY. Combined with the realization that al Qaeda was just Saudi Arabia's proxy army it was a little hard to ignore that allowing Saudi Arabia free rein over the Middle East was part of the plan. As long as the Saudis and their jihadist army (1) didn't attack Israel and (2) kept to their petrodollar bargain and (3) kept the oil flowing our administration (or, the actors behind the administration) would be happy to fund the Saudi's jihadist proxies .... and even use them on occasion: Afghanistan, Chechnya, Libya, and Syria.

It was the apparent split behind some of Obama's policies and some of the State Department/CIA policies which pointed up the intransigent nature of these behind-the-scenes actors. CHRISISALL once posted - very early on in Obama's tenure - that he thought that the only explanation for Obama's failure to follow up on any of his policies is that he got a note on a napkin, about how vulnerable Malia and Sasha were to accidents, and that Obama should be careful what he did. And while I think the form of the threat was exaggerated, the thought has clearly stuck with me for more than seven years.

It has been clear to me for a while that there IS something called the "deep state". I sometimes imagine that part of the secret lore that Presidents pass on to each other is a warning about this deep state, and the oligarchs who direct it.

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In Trump's case, the deep state has had him in its sights since he became a SERIOUS contender for the Presidency, and not just a conveniently weak candidate to trounce.

The BUT RUSSIA! allegations can only be one of two things:

1) Either someone with access to highly classified information (which would have to be the CIA/NSA) is SELECTIVELY leaking classified information for political purposes ... which is treason or

2) These "unnamed sources" are making shit up whole cloth, and using their positions in intelligence to give their insinuations more weight than they deserve ... which is treason.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 5:33 PM

And finally (for now) ....

I have yet to see a discussion of Trump's assertion that the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Hearing that just made me squirm. But then I had to confront the idea, and I realized that it was true.

Similar to the thought that our serial Administrations didn't make repeated stupid military and foreign policy "mistakes", I came to realize that the press might get credit for one or two errors, but not a few dozen in the same kind of topic.

Every war that we engaged in since Vietnam has had the active collusion of the press, as it hyped one specious "reason" after another to press for one pointless provocation/incursion/invasion after another: Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Sudan. And this whole BUT RUSSIA! hysteria has been both relentless and ridiculous, and only credulous people - which seems to be an awful lot - wouldn't see it for the propaganda that it is.

Judith Miller NYT was the (in)famous purveyor of every fatuous made-up story about Iraq. MOST of the MSM were engaged in serial misinformation about Syria, Ukraine, and Libya including the BBC and WSJ.

Where are America's interests in all of this? Who is looking out for our safety, our tax dollars, our future interests, and the lives of our soldiers?

Not the MSM! It seems to me that they have been actively colluding to deceive the American public, and that - yes - they really do deserve the title of "enemy of the people".

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Monday, February 20, 2017 5:35 PM

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Oh look! GSTRING IS FOR THE DEEP STATE AND LOVES WAR!

God, GSTRING, don't you get tired of living in the deep state's anus and then having to defend your lifestyle?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SECOND

Monday, February 20, 2017 6:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh look! GSTRING IS FOR THE DEEP STATE AND LOVES WAR!

God, GSTRING, don't you get tired of living in the deep state's anus and then having to defend your lifestyle?

33 questions about Donald Trump and Russia
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/20/14625788/trump-russia-putin-
manafort-page-stone

There’s an awful lot of loose ends here. Ends left loose by Trump. Every last one of these loose ends could be neatened up by Trump, today on President's day if Trump starts at 9 AM and doesn't take a nap or a long lunch, but Trump refuses to do the work. He won't releases his tax returns. He won't answer questions coherently. He won't declassify the recorded telephone calls intercepted between his staff and Russians. He won't do this and he won't do that and the fault is not the Deep State bringing him down. The fault is in Trump and what he won't do.

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What we have instead are a lot of small, unanswered questions. Questions about Flynn’s behavior and the circumstances of his firing. Questions about the behavior of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and the circumstances of his firing. Questions about enigmatic remarks made by longtime Trump associate and veteran political operative Roger Stone. Questions about an obscure American businessman named Carter Page who maybe — or maybe not — worked for some time with the Trump campaign.

But there are also longstanding questions about the opaque financing of the Trump Organization, and about why its founder and owner has been so reluctant to engage in normal levels of financial disclosure. And most of all, there are questions about Trump’s highly unorthodox attitudes toward Russia, its government, and its leader, Vladimir Putin.

Here, in convenient list form, are the 30 small questions and three big ones about Donald Trump and Russia.

Continues on at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/20/14625788/trump-russia-putin-
manafort-page-stone

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 20, 2017 7:52 PM

Sig,

Thanks for hammering on this long enough for me to see it. I see a lot of cold war paranoia about Russia on this forum. Really, people. This is the NWO position, and always has been: Fear Russia. It's what led Napoleon I and III, Kaiser I and II and Hitler, drove the Congress of Vienna, League of Nations and UN, and the WTO. The World Trade Organization is conspiracy against trade with Russia, even with their tacit on again off again acceptance. It's like COCOM, the 80s export of computer tech to Russia international ban.

What Russia is: It's a major eurasian nation of 150 million people. It's Europe and Asia's Canada. It's posession of largely frozen northern landmass is more of natural resource supply than an empire. It's not about to expand and take over the globe.

Why all the fear mongering, when we've endorsed the expansion of Germany under the EU flag into an empire of 500 million with economic power to rival the United States, and a full on global puppet empire of China, which now controls US manufacturing, and is aiming to take of south and central Asia as well as Latin America, who has been using Long Beach Naval base in California to arm anti-US ragimes in South America, and we've not done or heard a thing about it.

If Trump has ties to Russia, so what? It's not a threat. Large international power groups are a threat, and they use external powers, like China and Germany on a globalist plan to essentially undermine national sovereignty and create an unelected neocon-communist elite that will be terrible for the environment, terrible for the population, terrible for the planet.

Once they have that there will be no way to remove it, because it will be unaccountable and possess an enormous array of military technology.

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