Mass exodus at the State Department
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UPDATED: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 19:54
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've read so many versions of this story I couldn't even begin to guess which one is true. They were fired ... they resigned ... it's traditional for an incoming president to ask for letters of resignation from all political appointees but then keep them on - only Trump didn't keep them on. Even the NYT and the WaPo have dueling memes. In any case, I guess it would have been better to make them ambassadors to Antarctica, or the Moon, or Tuvalu. otoh it would have been worse to keep them in place. All in all, them leaving by whatever means necessary is not a terrible situation. At least their bloody hands are nowhere near the levers of power.
Cites please. I ask because it appears you are making shit up again to dismiss the point.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
No Jack, they have to represent the point of view of Trump while he is president. They won't do that so they left. There's nothing juvenile about that. Much of what is being said in this thread is emotional and baseless.
No THGGRI, the President is not the King.
I don't like the idea of a President with little opposition. We got that for a few years with both Obama and Bush Jr. and those years were the most damaging of the last 16 for the country.
So I will say again that not only are they doing the Democrats a disservice, but the entire nation.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
No Jack, they have to represent the point of view of Trump while he is president. They won't do that so they left. There's nothing juvenile about that. Much of what is being said in this thread is emotional and baseless.
No THGGRI, the President is not the King.
I don't like the idea of a President with little opposition. We got that for a few years with both Obama and Bush Jr. and those years were the most damaging of the last 16 for the country.
So I will say again that not only are they doing the Democrats a disservice, but the entire nation.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Jack, the president determines foreign policy. Our ambassadors have to promote what the president says. That fact that you don't understand that means there's nothing for us to discuss.
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They resigned, after being fired.
There's an old saying at the State Dept...
" Presidents come and go, but State Dept is forever. "
Meaning those who work in the bureaucracy of the State Dept believe they are the true arbiters of US foreign policy. That's been the problem in this country for decades.
It's a new day in America.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:Not "the world" REAVER. Only the globalist/ CIA part of the world. Yanno, the part that wants full spectrum dominance.
Trump's idiotic belligerence and lack of class is going to get him in a lot of trouble. The world hates him already. He's not going to do the USA any favors.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
According to you GSTRING, if I discuss something I'm over-reacting. If I DON'T discuss something, I'm hiding.
You see? You're a troll. YOU don't want to discuss the subject, all you want to do is look for an excuse for personal attacks. So the reason why I'm NOT discussing this with you further is because (1) You've been demonstrated to be wrong about five ti
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I thought this was an interesting article. It discusses in detail the divisions between the President (Obama) and his supposedly loyal staff, including the supposedly loyal Hillary Clinton in the State Department and the supposedly loyal Gates and Petraeus in the Pentagon.
I have often thought that the Obama foreign policy was a result of parts of his staff surprising Obama with their own little side projects, that Obama was not fully in control of events. He seemed to be lurching from one stance to another: drawing red lines and then ignoring them, destroying Libya and then making a deal with Iran, waffling endlessly in the Mideast and conducting his fight against terrorists with drone strikes and desultory bombings.
The open letter of protest from 50 Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) analysts telling the world that they were unhappy that their analyses of the Syria policy (backing "moderates" who would never be an effective organization for "regime change" while sending arms into a terrorist-filled theater which would eventually attempt becoming a caliphate) were constantly being overwitten by higher ups into happy-news that the moderate rebels were doing just great ....
To be followed several months later by an open letter of protest from 50 STATE DEPARTMENT staffers who thought Syria needed a more "kinetic" (i.e. bombing) approach
... revealed the level of disunity and possibly even treason among the various entities which - supposedly- do what the President tells them to do.
When Obama said that Libya was the greatest mistake he ever made, he didn't directly lay the blame for that on Hillary, but it was certainly Hillary's pet project, as was Ukraine. I've been thinking for a long time that the State Department had an agenda of its own, and was disloyal to Obama (ETA) by attempting to activate its own goals aside from the President's. But since Obama was partly malleable, they found him partly useful. Now that Trump is in office, they've completely exposed their lack of loyalty to the President. Too bad there aren't mass defections from the CIA. But then again, if there were we would never know.
Anyway, on to the article ...
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Obama Bequeaths a More Dangerous World
January 24, 2017
Special Report: President Obama may have entered the White House with a desire to rein in America’s global war-making but he succumbed to neocon pressure and left behind an even more dangerous world, reports Robert Parry.
Any fair judgment about Barack Obama’s presidency must start with the recognition that he inherited a dismal situation from George W. Bush: the U.S. economy was in free-fall and U.S. troops were bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Clearly, these intertwined economic and foreign policy crises colored how Obama viewed his options, realizing that one false step could tip the world into the abyss.
It’s also true that his Republican rivals behaved as if they had no responsibility for the messes that Obama had to clean up. From the start, they set out to trip him up rather than lend a hand. Plus, the mainstream media blamed Obama for this failure of bipartisanship, rewarding the Republicans for their nihilistic obstructionism.
That said, however, it is also true that Obama – an inexperienced manager – made huge mistakes from the outset and failed to rectify them in a timely fashion. For instance, he bought into the romantic notion of a “Team of Rivals” with his White House trumpeting the comparisons to Abraham Lincoln (although some of Lincoln’s inclusion of rivals actually resulted from deals made at the 1860 Republican convention in Chicago to gain Lincoln the nomination).
In the real world of modern Washington, Obama’s choice of hawkish Sen. Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State and Republican apparatchik Robert Gates to remain as Secretary of Defense – along with keeping Bush’s high command, including neocon favorite Gen. David Petraeus – guaranteed that he would achieve little real foreign policy chNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack, the president determines foreign policy. Our ambassadors have to promote what the president says. That fact that you don't understand that means there's nothing for us to discuss.
And you're going to honestly tell me that you believe that everybody who works every job does whatever their boss tells them to do? Even if they just vocalize their opposition to his decisions that means something. But only if it comes from a position of relative power.
You think Trump gives a shit what they think at all when they're not anywhere near his level? Especially when they quit?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state
-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.d5a3ba28120d
In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html
Mr. Trump, by contrast, has taken a hard line against leaving any of President Obama’s political appointees in place as he prepares to take office on Jan. 20 with a mission of dismantling many of his predecessor’s signature foreign and domestic policy achievements.
And just to be inclusive in the MSM war:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-
asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/
Trump administration asks top State Department officials to leave
So, considering how scrambled the media message is, this is my interpretation - WaPo has OBVIOUSLY been carrying the neo-liberal/ neo-con line for the Obama administration for a number of months. I expect it's still getting the propaganda it's supposed to push, through alternate (not federal administration) sources. I conclude the neo-liberal/ neo-con agenda is to prop up the personal reputations of its former flunkies.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned
WaPo has OBVIOUSLY been carrying the neo-liberal/ neo-con line for the Obama administration for a number of months. I expect it's still getting the propaganda it's supposed to push,
This is not like Russia's dictatorship. Its policy not propaganda. And here if you find you disagree with the presidents policy and cannot support it, you resign. You don't wind up dead or missing.
Still waiting for you to take a stance on Russia's decriminalizing domestic violence.
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Russia parliament votes 380-3 to decriminalize domestic violence
Russia's parliament voted 380-3 on Friday to decriminalize domestic violence in cases where it does not cause "substantial bodily harm" and does not occur more than once a year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/27/russian-parliament-decri
miinalizes-domestic-violence/97129912/
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