Enthuziazm Fail
POSTED BY: JO753
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 14:45
VIEWED: 21104
PAGE 1 of 2
A little stream uv conshusnes:
Az appalingly stoopid az the very idea uv Trump for prezident iz, the idiots who are going to vote for him hav enthuziazm. Hillary haz very little.
I'm watching Pence blather idiotic evasionz at Martha Raditz az I rite this, wanting to yell SHUT UP to hiz fase, but earlier on Meet The Press Alex Castellanos (republican dude) nailed it with hiz explanation about wy Hillary iz doing so badly agenst a guy who woudnt make a credible joke candidate in a sane world.
He sed 'you cant recommend enthuziazm' (or wordz to that effect). Hiz example wuz that he coud tell guyz about wun uv the other guyz in the roundtable having sex with Sofia Vergara, but they wont be enthuziastic about it.
Hillary had a chans to gain enthuziazm by picking Bernie az VP, but went with a virtual nobody with the pizzaz uv wite bread. A bad decision tha callz her vision and jujment into question.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I think they coud hav worked it out, but back then, the notion that 'America'z first woman prez' wuz sufficiently exciting had credibility.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And the comedy gold mine openz for bizness:
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Give Hope a Chance.
in my lifetime, Trump is the only one who wasn't a SLUT to Big Banks or Foreign Interests.
Please, if I'm Wrong, let me know here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
http://la.curbed.com/2016/11/7/13556440/sothebys-trump-ads-sabo-street
-art-celebrities
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Seriously JO
How do you say STFU in your mindless nobody whatever language?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
That was pretty good.
Trump was the only one in touch with the American public, true, most of it was against their will....
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Something I read tonight...
Political scientists have been studying what voters know and how they think for well over 65 years. The results are frightening. Voters generally know who the president is but not much else. They don’t know which party controls Congress, what Congress has done recently, whether the economy is getting better or worse (or by how much).
BTW Jo, is your mom okay, I remember you saying she had lots of health problems?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Give Hope a Chance.
Trump is the only one who wasn't a SLUT to Big Banks or Foreign Interests.
I dont no wut you mean by 'giv hope a chans'. Trumps entire campane , plus all the yirz Obama haz been Prez, hav been about the exact oppozit.
If you went shopping for candidates for the title uv Greatest Debtor to Banks and Forin Entityz, Trump woud be in the top 10, and likely the winner. Stir in the Russian mob connectionz and corrupt Chineze money and he emerjez hed & shoulderz ubuv anybody else.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/donald-trump-debt.html?_
r=0
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I woct the 20/20 special on The Donald. They did a great job uv making him seem like a desent guy.
Considering that he haz alredy dumped at least 3 uv the stoopid destructiv promisez he made to hiz chump army, I'm in a 'wut ever. lets see wut happenz' mode now.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Considering that he haz alredy dumped at least 3 uv the stoopid destructiv promisez he made to hiz chump army, I'm in a 'wut ever. lets see wut happenz' mode now.
Yep, I noticed that that he has stepped back on half of it already...Probably waiting until the shit dies down...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Voters generally know who the president is but not much else.
I didnt pay much attention myself until Obama. My attitude wuz that it wuz a waste uv time kuz the gummit iz not paying any attention to us. Over the llast 8 yirz I hav only found evidens that supports that.
Quote:
BTW Jo, is your mom okay, I know remember you saying she had lots of health problems?
Thanks for asking. Shez not doing well. She iz in a rehab hospital with tubez going into her neck.
How are you doing?
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Herez wut I'm wondering:
If Trump gets indited befor January 20th for fraud, statutory rape, andor any uv the other felonyz he haz commited, will he be disqualified frum taking offis? And, if so, will the prezidensy go to Hillary or Pence?
An interesting similar story here in Illinois iz a woman who wun the election for juj, but cant take the job.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Candidate-Barred-From-Bench-
Wins-Judge-Election-in-Illinois--400578261.html
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
A waste uv time kuz the gummit iz not paying any attention to us.
She iz in a rehab hospital with tubez going into her neck.
How are you doing?
True..They are too busy paying attention to the loudest and the richest, neither do I have the desire to be.
I'm sorry to hear that about your mom, but I'm sure it's easier than running to the E.R. all the time, for both of you.
I'm actually ok. I've found some supplements that are helping, and I've made it through the worst of allergy season. Trying to help granma, and it's not easy as she is the most stubborn person..... ever, and now she only sees shapes, even with glasses, she falls because she can't see, and she can't hear, so she turns the tv up soo crazy loud that she doesn't know when anyone calls. I don't wish to make it to that point. It's horrible to watch.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Trump was never even Thought of for rape or any other thing you think of in your mind.
I know it's crazzy since it always happens with Political figures, but Trump never did it.
It's not Rape when they want it.
I Luvz U 4 S0mny yrz dud, butz
surzly g0phux yrslfz herez
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I read an interesting article which said that Americans overwhelmingly thought that Trump was an unsuitable candidate and that Hillary was better prepared ...
But they voted for him anyway.
In other words, Americans voted for somebody even THEY thought was unprepared and unsuitable for President over somebody that they thought was better prepared. That's a lot worse than "lack of enthusiasm" at work. If you really want to understand what happened, you have to figure that out.
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&p=4#1
018100
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I was the .0001 that knew he would win.
I like Wish and JO.
We were friends on much more positive threads here back in the day.
I'm still very enthusiastic.
Wish is really pissed off now because her Hubby voted for Trump.
If he's smart, he will never admit it to her because he was in Indiana where neither of their votes mattered, as I said they wouldn't months ago.
Good for him. Shame on Her.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump was never even Thought of for rape or any other thing you think of in your mind.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/03/rape-lawsuit-refiled-against-donald-t
rump/
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I'm actually ok. I've found some supplements that are helping
Wut are they and wut do they help with?
Quote:
Trying to help granma, and it's not easy as she is the most stubborn person..... ever, and now she only sees shapes, even with glasses, she falls because she can't see, and she can't hear, so she turns the tv up soo crazy loud that she doesn't know when anyone calls. I don't wish to make it to that point. It's horrible to watch.
Stubborn iz a common thing in old peepl...well, all peepl really. Its just that wen we get old, we feel we dont haf to lissin to the wippersnapperz trying to tell us wuz up.
Mom got herself into this mess by being lazy. She sleeps 20 owrz a day and layz in bed the remaining 4. I stopped nagging her to exersize or at least get up & move around yirz ago. She iz partly a victim uv the take a pill zietgiest established by the drug companyz. She went to a back specialist who told her the pain wuz from her muslez dejenerating, so exersize, but she went with the oxycodone insted.
She also duz the crazy loud TV thing AND sleeps wile its blasting!
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I read an interesting article which said that Americans overwhelmingly thought that Trump was an unsuitable candidate and that Hillary was better prepared ...
But they voted for him anyway.
The Trump Chumps were created by the GoP and their propaganda partnerz, mainly Rupert Murdoch.
Trump sed sumthing like "I coud shoot sumwun on 5th avenue in broad daylite and they'd still vote for me".
Almost literally true, save the actual deed to test it. There are DOZENZ uv statements, actionz and facts about him that woud each hav rendered an ordinary candidate unelectable.
But the idiotic GoPs had cultivated so much hate agenst Obama, the Clintonz and the Democratic party that its all they had a taste for. The only thing that mattered wuz who iz feeding them the best & most vitriol.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:In addition, the Democratic Party failed a lot of people. Honestly, if Obama had not so aggressively pursued foreign interventions and fucked up so many nations and made our situation even more untenable and leading inexorably into a quagmire or WWIII, and if he hadn't pursued "free trade" deals so vigorously, I think that a lot of people would have grudgingly accepted Obamacare as their "piece of the pie", even if it was a raw deal. And then Wikileaks exposed the massive corruption of the DNC, and how it rigged the vote to shoehorn in its weakest, most unlikeable candidate.
But the idiotic GoPs had cultivated so much hate agenst Obama, the Clintonz and the Democratic party that its all they had a taste for.
The problems with the Dems, IMHO, were mostly self-inflicted. If they had made a measurable improvement in most people's lives and not caused so much foreign-policy anxiety (Hillary ran against "Putin" - AND LOST) I think they would have come out OK.
I would be unrealistic not to acknowledge that partisanship (against Democrats) and racism (against Obama) and sexism (against Hillary) played a part in the results, but I'm a lifelong liberal Democrat, and I don;t think terribly racist OR sexist, and I STILL grew to hate both of them with a passion!
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Trump was never even Thought of for rape or any other thing you think of in your mind.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/03/rape-lawsuit-refiled-against-donald-t
rump/
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com]
Did you look into that recently Jubz?
It was all BS, and if you look into the wikileaks y7ou would be appaled at what happend on a day to day basis and you wo8uld understand why some calll CNNN the Clinton News Network....
I, myself, am a Horrible Male.
I never raped anyone, but I made a lot of young and beautiful Girls fall in love and then broke their hearts. Every single one.
Why? I was too busy masturbating to celebrities.
Now I'm OLD and getting Older, but I'm doubling down, just like the corrupt "News" is doing.
Even though I know full well it's bad for me, and I've been caught, I'm an addict.
I very likely have Cancer. Lung Cancer or Pancreatic Cancer, at least, for a start.I have no one to blame other than myself and my bad habits. Maybe I should have married somebody who gave a fuck about me???
I'm just showing You who You are following.
I'm 37 and NOTHING works that should.
I'm all about a True Female President
ONe that decides when I can come out and Play
South Korea has been Shilling for a Female President for almost 4 years and it broke my heart that I couldn't deliver...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
ART HE SMETIME J0, ME GLAD YOU HERE, AND ACTUALLY ENJOYED YOUR LANGUAGZE.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK. MAYBE YOU'RE NOT GLAD I'M BACK??? 
I BET IF IF WAS A 2 YEAR OLD I WOULD MASTER YOUR SYZTEM IN 2ZECONDS
BUT, ALAS, IT'S HARD TO TEEZH ANU DEG NW TRIX.
As much as I love you, go fuck yourself if you came back to give more hate when there is plenty to go around.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Time from a Teen who is like 80 now.....
Not fucked with by your BS theories of Manella Efects and everything else....
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
My Personal Byte is much more Chess
And You are the only worthy opponet I've ever had, aren't you JO?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Time After Time, one of my favs
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In addition, the Democratic Party failed a lot of people...
I mostly agree with most uv wut you rote.
The problem iz that it ignorez or at least discounts the role the GoPs played in it: Total obstruction. They choze loyalty to the party over loyalty to the country. We arent Americanz, we're Republicanz!
Aside frum the direct debilitating effect it had, Obama'z actionz were uv less help to us. He coudnt just sit on hiz thumz for 8 yirz, so if the GoPs woudnt let him help us, he worked on everything else. Then The GoPs, relying on the gnat-brain memory length uv the typical voter, sekseeded in blaming the slow recovery and unequal welth distribution on Obama!
You haf to uze your imajination and day dream about where we woud be now if the GoPs had helped insted uv hindered. Even if they had just gotten out uv the way it woud be amazing!
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In addition, the Democratic Party failed a lot of people...
I mostly agree with most uv wut you rote.
The problem iz that it ignorez or at least discounts the role the GoPs played in it: Total obstruction. They choze loyalty to the party over loyalty to the country. We arent Americanz, we're Republicanz!
Aside frum the direct debilitating effect it had, Obama'z actionz were uv less help to us. He coudnt just sit on hiz thumz for 8 yirz, so if the GoPs woudnt let him help us, he worked on everything else. Then The GoPs, relying on the gnat-brain memory length uv the typical voter, sekseeded in blaming the slow recovery and unequal welth distribution on Obama!
You haf to uze your imajination and day dream about where we woud be now if the GoPs had helped insted uv hindered. Even if they had just gotten out uv the way it woud be amazing!
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
No they didn't.
You are one of the TRULY smart people.
The idea that I even have to spell things out to J0 and his 120 IQ is appaling.....
Read a fucking book after Orwell, after 1940, J0.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Enjoy, The Vault.
The RWED could have made a better ending, but it was something awesome for years...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
I very likely have Cancer. Lung Cancer or Pancreatic Cancer, at least, for a start.I have no one to blame other than myself and my bad habits...I'm 37 and NOTHING works that should.
Woud you like to be helthy agen?
Quote:
youtube.com/Female Prezident
That iz so bad! I'v seen better fake muzik videoz on sitcomz!!! You know, like in the Brady Bunch wen Marsha or Greg win a record company radio contest and are disillusioned by the bogusness uv the production.
An od thing about it - they sound American. All the fonemez are English. Even the riting on the wall iz not Korean letterz.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Did you look into that recently Jubz?
Did you look at wen it wuz filed the first time? Do you know Trump haz bragged about theze partyz repeatedly over the yirz?
Wut do you think billionaire playboyz do for fun?
(sorry if this iz a repeat. I had this in my last post, but it looks like I aksidentaly deleted it)
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I think they coud hav worked it out, but back then, the notion that 'America'z first woman prez' wuz sufficiently exciting had credibility.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
and click and paste
i mean that i could pretend to be as smart as you have masturbated for the last 10 years, but why?
I get my kicks above the wasteline, sunshine :)
Everybody hates me.
Chances are you'll beat the piss out of me in a game of Chess J0
Chances are also that I'm the only Stupid Mother Fucker who ever asked you if you wanted to play.
I'm willing to give a20% loss.
I might not have a Degree, but I'm not an idiot....
No outside debts
Just 1 on 1
You have everything to lose JO
I'm the "idiot" with "some college"
look at my HS history if you are really scared
i "wrestled".... i beat the fuck out of people legally
give me reason to Legislate NES Ducktales
really cunt>JOE IS A cunt
\he was one of 3 people who k\new hte election'
I'mn willing Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I think they coud hav worked it out, but back then, the notion that 'America'z first woman prez' wuz sufficiently exciting had credibility.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
and click and paste
i mean that i could pretend to be as smart as you have masturbated for the last 10 years, but why?
I get my kicks above the wasteline, sunshine :)
Everybody hates me.
Chances are you'll beat the piss out of me in a game of Chess J0
Chances are also that I'm the only Stupid Mother Fucker who ever asked you if you wanted to play.
I'm willing to give a20% loss.
I might not have a Degree, but I'm not an idiot....
No outside debts
Just 1 on 1
You have everything to lose JO
I'm the "idiot" with "some college"
look at my HS history if you are really scared
i "wrestled".... i beat the fuck out of people legally
give me reason to Legislate NES Ducktales
really cunt>JOE IS A cunt
\he was one of 3 people who k\new hte election'
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
You and I could do much better in the end.
It's an awesome story J0, but how much better could we have made this?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
*SPOILER ALTERT*
DEUS EX MACHINA....
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK. MAYBE YOU'RE NOT GLAD I'M BACK???
I wuz never gon.
Quote:
I BET IF IF WAS A 2 YEAR OLD I WOULD MASTER YOUR SYZTEM IN 2ZECONDS
You arent an idiot, so I'm sure you can alredy read nqalf. My mom iz 85, terminally lazy, and can still muddle thru it.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The Vault, Part 3:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Havent played in decadez.
I taught my brother to play wen we were in grammar skool and by the 4th game he kikt my ass. We played alot and I rarely wun.
He went on to partisipate in tournaments at the Chicago Chess Club.
I went there a few timez. Played a grandmaster wuns and he coudnt keep frum curling hiz lip in disgust wile advizing me "you haf to make movez that help you, not hurt you.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 4...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
In addition, the Democratic Party failed a lot of people... SIGNY
I mostly agree with most uv wut you rote.
The problem iz that it ignorez or at least discounts the role the GoPs played in it: Total obstruction. They choze loyalty to the party over loyalty to the country. We arent Americanz, we're Republicanz!
Aside frum the direct debilitating effect it had, Obama'z actionz were uv less help to us. He coudnt just sit on hiz thumz for 8 yirz, so if the GoPs woudnt let him help us, he worked on everything else. Then The GoPs, relying on the gnat-brain memory length uv the typical voter, sekseeded in blaming the slow recovery and unequal welth distribution on Obama!
You haf to uze your imajination and day dream about where we woud be now if the GoPs had helped insted uv hindered. Even if they had just gotten out uv the way it woud be amazing! - JO
Obama didn't need Congress to destroy Libya, destabilize Ukraine, destabilize Yemen, attempt to destroy Syria, and provoke Russia. He didn't need Congress to nominate Janet Yellen. He didn't need Congress to push to the TTP and the TTIP. Or to drone "enemy combatant" citizens, or snoop on everyone.
Now, I wonder what Obama could have done if he had really WANTED to? In the beginning, he had a mandate, a Democratic Congress, and a historic crisis to solve. One of the things that he COULD have done at that time was implement single payer healthcare, which consistently polled 60+% of the population. Now, maybe Congressional Democrats were just as corrupt then as they are now, and maybe Obama could NEVER have gotten that through Congress, but it's a moot point: either the fault was Obama's or it was Congressional Dems. He could have appointed Sheila Bair as Treasury Scy instead of Geithner. Instead of signing Dodd-Frank, which is a bolloxed legislation, he should have pushed for a re-authorization of Glass Steagall (which kept our saving safe until Bill Clinton signed its repeal.)
I'm not saying that the GOP wasn't also at fault, but Obama has a once-in-a-century opportunity to do something real, and he blew it in his first 2 years, and then he did more bad than good afterwards.
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
and if you're not already hooked, here's part 5...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sorry, but advertisements before Part 6
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 6:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 7:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 7 dedicated to Barry Warwick.....
Part 8:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 9:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 10:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 11:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 12:
go to 2nd page
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Sorry that this sounds like trolling, but this Congress and all previous ones in your lifetime gave Obama unlimited money, weapons, ammo, manpower, and transportation anywhere in the world of all these expensive items. What do you think happens when a bunch of out-of-shape generals have all this at their command? They urge a President to use it. And Congress will urgently urge the President to use it; that is why it gave all material and manpower to the Pentagon in the first place. Any President who has NOT spent months or years with soldiers and their Generals will believe that the military are competent, but to really know them is to be unimpressed with them and their ideas about foreign policy.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Obama didn't need Congress to destroy Libya, destabilize Ukraine, destabilize Yemen, attempt to destroy Syria, and provoke Russia. He didn't need Congress to nominate Janet Yellen. He didn't need Congress to push to the TTP and the TTIP. Or to drone "enemy combatant" citizens, or snoop on everyone.
Obama really does not know the military. Ditto for Trump. www.jcs.mil
www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nsc
Platoons of neophytes who think they're geniuses led Obama's bloated and politicized National Security Council into one disaster after another. Ditto for Trump.
http://observer.com/2016/11/forming-trumps-national-security-team/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 12:
for whatever reason, this part won't play here.
Hopefully continued on part 13 here, but if not, watch the rest on youtube with that link.
THIS is the reason why MSM is dying.
The Vault is just as good as Breaking Bad was.
And They are Not Alone.
What about the other fish?
"Who gives a shit?"
"Too many People, not enough food"
"What's done is done".
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 13:
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 14:
"When I get out of here I'm getting a 20 pi3ce Chicken McNugget...."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Part 15:
"Are You sure?".....
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The Vault Finale
"Don't worry about me. I'll see you soon."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Wut are they and wut do they help with?
Mom got herself into this mess by being lazy. She sleeps 20 owrz a day and layz in bed the remaining 4. I stopped nagging her to exersize or at least get up & move around yirz ago.
They're mostly targeted for me. I don't think they'd work for many.
Rutin (prevents blood clots) I've heard they help hemorrhoids, but I wouldn't know...
Bromelain chewables (decreases stool acidity)
Beano (breaks down stool, and seems to help my arthritis)
Astaxanthin (for weather related migraines)
For the moment I've got the GERD under control too (knock on wood) with Activated charcoal.
Molybdenum and B complex for the sulfite intolerance
Omega 3s every now and then for the artritis
The kiddo takes Resveratrol, vitamin a, for acne
Iron supplements...
Hubby takes a multivitamin, and garlic tabs (stop nosebleeds) along with his psych meds, which are working better than ever (zoloft for OCD and nuvigil for borderline narcolepsy) and his thyroid med.
Lots of pills. I started researching supplements one at a time a few years ago. They can help, but you have to know what you need and what would work for you. You have to look at known side effects, too.
I know how you feel about yer mum, hubby's grandma was like that too the last few years. I think she was actually happier sitting around in the home the last year. Once they give up, not much you can do...
Oh, and Jo...don't feed the bears. Doesn't help us OR him...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
If you liked The Vault, please watch Circle by the same team, starring Julie Benz from Mullhond Drive, Dexter and Boondock Saints II.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3118452/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_7
The Ultimate Reality TV Show ever made......
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3118452/videoplayer/vi861385497?ref_=tt_ov
_vi
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:These two links go to the home pages for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the White House, respectively. BRILLIANT, second. Two meaningless links.
Obama really does not know the military. Ditto for Trump. www.jcs.mil
www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nsc
Quote:And here, once again, you've quoted one phrase out of an entire article and failed to discuss anything.
Platoons of neophytes who think they're geniuses led Obama's bloated and politicized National Security Council into one disaster after another. Ditto for Trump.
http://observer.com/2016/11/forming-trumps-national-security-team/
SO LET ME HELP YOU OUT. In a linked article that forms the basis for the argument, the key phrase, that sums up the entire point of the article is this:
Quote:
In Syria, Putin has achieved his strategic aims of saving the Assad regime while painting the West as inept villains who back jihadists."
The author, in an act of laziness, cowardice, and/ or duplicity, characterized Assad's presidency as a 'regime' - as they always do. 'Assad' and 'regime' are uniformly linked together in the western media to dupe stupid people into thinking something is true that isn't.
Is Assad's government a 'regime'?
Though voting was extraordinarily difficult, and the US-backed kindly Syrian opposition shelled polling places, Assad was reelected in a multi-party election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014
Assad's government was elected. As such, it's the legitimate government of Syria, which the US, in a show of support for democracy, tried to overthrow. (This is very much like Ukraine, where the US acted through proxies to overthrow a legitimate, democratically elected government that, in the case of Ukraine, was less than a month away from early elections)
As for the west being inept and backing jihadists, since that's indisputably true, all I can conclude is that the author is one of those people in the media that get their articles directly from the government and print them under their own names.
The author then goes on to quote himself “Assemble a top team there, including voices from across the ideological spectrum. Obama made national security as partisan as everything else he touched. Don’t repeat that mistake.” Except partisanship wasn't the problem. The problem was the 'deep state', uncounted and unaccountable, that ran US foreign policy and the State Department, the CIA, and some of the military, acting in its own interests, not ours.
The article then goes on to describe the difficulty Trump is having finding 'experienced' people. As I think about it, I can see how that could be a problem. The neo-cons have been the puppet masters in the background for 16 years. All the experienced people available are toxic.
Going to the end, I swear, reading the article, it looks like a job application.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Obama didn't need Congress to destroy Libya
So, in your opinion, he shoud hav let Kadafi wipe out that town? The rest, I dont know much about, so hav no opinion.
An important thing you may not take into consideration iz that the prez haz way more info than we do about the stuff he needz to make desijunz on. ESPECIALLY forin affairz. And in many situationz there will be major downsidez and unforseeable side effects no matter wut the Prez duz. You can bet that if therez a 'do nothing' choise that looks less than utterly dizasterous, that its most likely wut Obama duz.
Quote:
One of the things that he COULD have done at that time was implement single payer healthcare,
Your memory iznt very clear on the battle to pass Obamacare. Read a book about it, hopefully therez wun ritten by an insider.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
6string, my frend, why are you posting that stuf here? I watched a few minits uv the 1st wun, and it didnt hav anything to do with the topic. I'm fine with the usual digression, but posting an entire seriez into a discussion iz rediculous.
Better to start a new topic about sumthing you like. That way wen you want to find it in the far flung future, you dont hav to dig thru the entire Firefly Fan Forum to find it.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:One of the difficult things about monday morning quarterbacking is that it's all based on imponderables. Obama could not have passed a better bill if he'd done everything the exact same way that he did originally. But what if he'd done things differently?
Your memory iznt very clear on the battle to pass Obamacare.
Depending on the year, current news, entire poll content, how the question was framed etc, there was anywhere from 35-45% support for single-payer, and 45 - 75% support for the public option. AND THAT WAS JUST IN THE BACKGROUND - without anyone promoting the idea. The opposition was coming from congress, not from the people.
IF Obama had taken the issue directly to the people, and made the argument clearly enough, congressional naysayers could then have faced an angry backlash from their own constituents. If not single payer, then at least the public option would have been viable under that set of circumstances.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
So, in your opinion, he shoud hav let Kadafi wipe out that town?
"That town" was Benghazi, and this is how it was reported on that day:
Quote:
Libya protests: 140 'massacred' as Gaddafi sends in snipers to crush dissent
Women and children leapt from bridges to their deaths as they tried to escape a ruthless crackdown by Libyan forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.
Snipers shot protesters, artillery and helicopter gunships were used against crowds of demonstrators, and thugs armed with hammers and swords attacked families in their homes as the Libyan regime sought to crush the uprising.
"Dozens were killed ... We are in the midst of a massacre here," a witness told Reuters. The man said he helped take victims to hospital in Benghazi.
Libyan Muslim leaders told security forces to stop killing civilians, responding to a spiralling death toll from unrest which threatens veteran leader Muammar Gaddafi's authority.
Mourners leaving a funeral for protesters in the eastern city of Benghazi came under fire, killing at least 15 people and wounding many more. A hospital official said one of those who died was apparently struck on the head by an anti-aircraft missile, and many had been shot in the head and chest.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8
335934/Libya-protests-140-massacred-as-Gaddafi-sends-in-snipers-to-crush-dissent.html
I remember the heart-rending reporting, how a six-year-old girl fell from a balcony as a tank ran into the supports, and how she was crushed under the tank treads.
None other than Human Rights Watch reported on the "massacre" https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/17/libya-benghazi-civilians-face-grav
e-risk
There is only one problem with that scenario: IT WAS A LIE.
Quote:
On June 2011, a more detailed investigation by Amnesty International found that many of the allegations against Gaddafi and the Libyan state turned out to be false or to lack any credible evidence, saying that rebels at times appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.
This is very much like the claims that the Serbian Milosovic committed genocide, or at least atrocities .... he was found NOT GUILTY by the The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague ...
Quote:
The Exoneration of Milosevic: the ICTY’s Surprise Ruling http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-th
e-ictys-surprise-ruling/
and the claims that Saddam Hussein had WMD (Twelve Years Later, US Media Still Can’t Get Iraqi WMD Story Right https://theintercept.com/2015/04/10/twelve-years-later-u-s-media-still
-cant-get-iraqi-wmd-story-right/)
So all of your concern, JO, is based on A LIE. This is how we get duped into war, JO. There is no lie too big ... or too heart-rending ... or too unbelievable that the Obama admin (including Hitlery) - like the Bush admin before it - would not tell, just as long as YOU jumped in the "right" direction at the moment.
And this is just one of MANY reasons why I look at the Obama admin, Hitlery, and indeed all western reporting with an extremely jaundiced eye.
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is only one problem with that scenario: IT WAS A LIE.
An unsupportabl claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benghazi#2011_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resoluti
on_1973
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/africa/18libya.html?pagewanted
=all
http://www.nooalf.com/NOBQTS.html
Here! The Man in hiz own wordz:
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
JO, the thing that got "us" (that means "you") into supporting the "no fly" zone... which really was bombing the ground, not shooting planes out of the sky (ANOTHER LIE) wasn't that there was "going to be" a massacre in Benghazi, but that it ALREADY HAPPENED.
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Not me. And its not like we had a vote. My memory jibez with the reports - Qaddaffi wuz going to wipe out a town, Obama got a coalition together to stop him. I'm sure the GoPs pumped out a bunch uv crap to obscure the accomplishment and their willing idiots gobbled it up like candy.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'd forgotten that I predicted Trump woud win 15 months ago:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/23/1414804/-President-Trump
I shoud be getting paid for this, gorrammitt!!!!!
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:WHAT "reports"? How can you have a report of something that didn't happen?
My memory jibez with the reports - Qaddaffi wuz going to wipe out a town
Am after-the-fact assessment by the DIA
Quote:
The intelligence community gathered no specific evidence of an impending genocide in Libya in spring 2011, undercutting Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s primary argument for using the U.S. military to remove Col. Moammar Gadhafi from power, an event that has left his country in chaos, according to officials with direct knowledge of the dispute.
Defense officials, speaking in detail for the first time about their assessments of the Libyan civil war four years ago, told The Washington Times that Mrs. Clinton’s strong advocacy for intervention against the Libyan regime rested more on speculative arguments of what might happen to civilians than on facts reported from the ground.
The Defense Intelligence Agency ran the Libya intelligence operation.
“It was an intelligence-light decision,” said one senior U.S. intelligence official directly familiar with the Libyan matter, who spoke to The Washington Times only on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.
The official’s sentiments were echoed by nearly a dozen other key players inside the intelligence and military communities who described to The Times a frustrating period during which the concerns of senior military leaders, including Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, were repeatedly cast aside. [By Hillary Clinton] ...
Furthermore, defense officials had direct information from their intelligence asset in contact with the regime that Gadhafi gave specific orders not to attack civilians and to narrowly focus the war on the armed rebels, according to the asset, who survived the war....
The gap between Mrs. Clinton’s rhetoric warning of a Rwanda-like slaughter of civilians in Libya and the facts gathered by career intelligence staff is taking on significance as the former secretary of state prepares another bid for the White House and her national security credentials are re-examined.
MORE AT
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/hillary-clinton-libya-
war-genocide-narrative-rejec/
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
A rite wing propaganda rag iz your sours? HA! No wunder youre so mixed up!
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/libya/2011/10/2011102010424
4706760.html
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Every time my dad had to deal with something that he thought was a stupid waste of time and energy, he would grumble "Oh my aching back". I know how he feels!
Originally posted by JO753:
A rite wing propaganda rag iz your sours? HA! No wunder youre so mixed up!
JO, most of the criticisms of the Libyan bombing came from the LEFT, not from the right. What I posted was just the first result that popped up from the search benghazi+massacre+gaddafi+false
So, here are the following search results
BOSTON GLOBE
Quote:
False pretense for war in Libya?
EVIDENCE IS now in that President Barack Obama grossly exaggerated the humanitarian threat to justify military action in Libya. The president claimed that intervention was necessary to prevent a “bloodbath’’ in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city and last rebel stronghold. http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/
2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/
THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE IS REALLY WORTH READING IN FULL. It details the MANY lies that the Obama administration spewed against Gaddafi, including the allegations that Gaddafi used bombers and helicopters against his own people. Sound familiar???
COUNTERPUNCH
Quote:
The Top Ten Myths in the War Against Libya
president of the Libyan League for Human Rights, told Reuters on March 14 that if Gaddafi’s forces reached Benghazi, “there will be a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda” ... [but] ...
“The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially—including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi….Khadafy’s acts were a far cry from Rwanda, Darfur, Congo, Bosnia, and other killing fields….Despite ubiquitous cellphones equipped with cameras and video, there is no graphic evidence of deliberate massacre….Nor did Khadafy ever threaten civilian massacre in Benghazi, as Obama alleged. The ‘no mercy’ warning, of March 17, targeted rebels only, as reported by The New York Times http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-ag
ainst-libya/
AMERICAN THINKER
Quote:
Hillary's 'Genocide' Lie
What did happen in Libya, Kuperman explained, was that rebel forces, fearing imminent defeat, faked a humanitarian crisis. On March 14, a rebel spokesman told Reuters that if Qaddafi attacked Benghazi, there would be “a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda.’’ On March 21, the New York Times’ David Kirkpatrick reported, “The rebels feel no loyalty to the truth in shaping their propaganda, claiming nonexistent battlefield victories, asserting they were still fighting in a key city days after it fell to Qaddafi forces, and making vastly inflated claims of his barbaric behavior.” http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/hillarys_genocide_lie.
html
JACOBIN
Quote:
Worse Than Benghazi
Benghazi is a sideshow. Hillary Clinton’s real scandal is her role in pushing the war against Libya. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/hillary-libya-nato-qaddafi-obama/
There is only one source- FOREIGN POLICY, which rationalizes State Department thinking - which claims that the possible "Benghazi massacre" is still an "open question"
Quote:
Was there going to be a Benghazi massacre?
Walt’s certainty notwithstanding, the debate about the humanitarian rationale in this case has not been settled. http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/07/was-there-going-to-be-a-benghazi-m
assacre/
The latest thinking, based on Wikileaks
Quote:
Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention
Newly disclosed emails show that Libya’s plan to create a gold-backed currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO’s intervention. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reve
al-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
OK. Seemz persuasiv. Still alot uv maybez and motivz and unseen detailz tho.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
RE: the title uv this thred, the peepl who bug me the most are wimin; not just the airhed zero self respect ditzoidz who voted for Trump, but also the Demz who didnt vote.
Even if they didnt like Hillary, just to finally hav a woman prez shoud hav been enuf even if the GoP contender wuz sumwun less idiotic than Trump.
Ditzoid:
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
RE: the title uv this thred, the peepl who bug me the most are wimin;
Even if they didnt like Hillary, just to finally hav a woman prez shoud hav been enuf even if the GoP contender wuz sumwun less idiotic than Trump.
Wait, are you actually saying that because Hillary has something resembling BOOBS that I should have voted for her because I have something resembling BOOBS as well? Really? Should I vote for her because we have the same PURSE or SHOES?????!!! Oh...FACEPALM.
Buddy, you don't get women at ALL. We don't even care who has a penis or a vagina, we care about who is the best person for the job and a blind idiot could see that Trump was going to win no matter what, so why bother voting for Hillary...NO ONE likes Hillary... But many do like Trump LESS.
I'd have had a LOT more respect if she had actually come out as the lesbian she is...
But, either way, her gender didn't count for SQUAT for the women. And it SHOULDN'T, for un-insecure men either. But we all know some men could NEVR EVER take a women president....
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
WISH
I laughed out lout at your post! In fact, I read off the "purse" part to hubby, I thought it really made the point and was funnier 'n hell!
JO
Vote for a woman because she's a woman?
I could give you a long disquisition about feminism and how it has forked into corporate feminism (women are free to be as big assholes as men) and radical feminism, and bout identity politics and how blacks voting for someone "because" they are black has historically not worked out well (for blacks) but I think the following says it better ...
Should men vote for a man just because he's a man?
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
...and here we hav the reazon the glass seiling will never be broken in the US.
Sorry ladyz, 'I dont like Hillary' duznt amount to a reazon. It iz an emotional reaction.
Even tho Hillary wuz very well qualified for the job, with many yirz uv actual hi level Wite House experiens, many wimin still picked the candidate who haz not a minit's worth uv experiens in goverment.
Even if you take away the long list uv scamz, the hyoooj tax breaks on top uv tax cheats, the failed made in China cheezy product venturez, the megalomaniakl gold TRUMP sinez plastered all over the world, the trofy wifes that he cheats on and then dumps az soon az they start looking a little old, you are still left with a guy who haz bragged about molesting wimin.
That alone shoud be enuf.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Glad I made someone laugh.
Here's the thing tho, Presidents NEED to have a certain amount of likability in order to interact with other politicians because it actually does help. You don't want a Prez that no one want to sit next to at the big table...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hillary did very well az SuS and haz plenty uv frendz.
Compare Trump's well documented interactionz on the likability point.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Hillary did very well az SuS and haz plenty uv frendz.
Compare Trump's well documented interactionz on the likability point.
I guess you haven't been reading any of the articles about her the last few years. Everyone who has ever worked for her or near her has come out to say how much they hated working for her. When your secret service people are desperate to spill the beans, you know she's done something very wrong...
As for Trump, he doesn't have to try...He prays at the altar of the dollar and that is all some people need to kiss his ass. That, and being a guy and an ass just seems to have that effect. It's why people like Sherlock, House, Scorpion, Iron Man... That sorta thing.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Except that I had specific REASONS for "not liking" Hillary, and it had nothing to do with her personality or even with her personal corruption. It was her long history of pro-war pro-free-trade pro-Saudi (globalist) policies which drove me away. I don't know about other women, but I know why I didn't vote for Hillary.
Sorry ladyz, 'I dont like Hillary' duznt amount to a reazon. It iz an emotional reaction.= JO
Quote:IMHO years ... no, DECADES ... of terrible policy choices are not necessarily a positive recommendation. I said, quite often, that I would rather have a loose cannon than someone who I KNOW, based on record, will make pro-war, pro-free-trade, pro-open-border decisions. Not a question of woman/notwoman, it's what Hillary represented in terms of her likely policies.
Even tho Hillary wuz very well qualified for the job, with many yirz uv actual hi level Wite House experiens, many wimin still picked the candidate who haz not a minit's worth uv experiens in goverment.
Yanno JO, voting for a biracial Egyptian Muslim lesbian BECAUSE OF her sex, race, ethnicity, religion and orientation is just as "ist" as voting for a white Xtian straight male BECAUSE OF his sex, race, ethnicity etc.
I paid Hillary the compliment of evaluating her just like I would evaluate a man: Isn't that true equality?
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I guess you haven't been reading any of the articles about her the last few years.
I suspect you are rite. Aside frum the nonstop GoP attacks attempting to inflate minor complaints into Watergate scale scandlz, anything I can remember ranjed frum bland funtionary dutyz to compliments by Obama and other alliez.
Quote:
Everyone who has ever worked for her or near her has come out to say how much they hated working for her.
Everywun? Provide links.
Quote:
...being a guy and an ass just seems to have that effect. It's why people like Sherlock, House, Scorpion, Iron Man... That sorta thing.
I senst a vage hint uv the Tony Stark feeling amongst the idiots who like Trump. Really, they shoud be feeling Justin Hammer - a spaz who cant deliver on promisez.
Hooz Scorpion?
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would rather have a loose cannon than someone who I KNOW, based on record, will make pro-war, pro-free-trade, pro-open-border decisions.
You make 2 major lojik errorz there.
1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.
2. You are boldly claiming greater knowlej and desijun making ability than sumwun who wuz there on many events.
I'm not saying its an invalid pozition - very often facts unknown to even the prinsipl playerz at the time come out later, possibly making the desijunz they made look foolish.
But to assume you can find all the info in media reports iz naive, and thinking that there cant be anything you dont know that can dilute or even completely revers the story iz not supportable in the real world.
Quote:
I paid Hillary the compliment of evaluating her just like I would evaluate a man: Isn't that true equality?
Maybe, if you got it rite AND only in the narrowest sens. Concluding 'Hillary bad, so the other candidate shoud win' without consideration uv the other candidate iz just plain stoopid.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I have commented on Trump's failings and where I disagree with him, more than once.
You make 2 major lojik errorz there.
1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.
Quote:I disagreed with GWB's AND Obama's and Hillary's policy choices at the time ... and I was right and they were wrong
2. You are boldly claiming greater knowlej and desijun making ability than sumwun who wuz there on many events.
I recall, in fact, sending an email to my then-Senator, Feinstein, who was Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, urging her to vote "no" on funding troops for Iraq, and I gt back this patronizing email about how "she knows things that I don't know" and all I could think at the time was that she had been bamboozled by the Bush admin, and flattered by her own self-importance, and that she knew LESS than I did. AND I WAS RIGHT. And I haven't voted for that asshole since then.
Quote:But that's NOT what I said.
Maybe, if you got it rite AND only in the narrowest sens. Concluding 'Hillary bad, so the other candidate shoud win' without consideration uv the other candidate iz just plain stoopid. -JO
What I said, probably more than a half-dozen times by now, is that Hillary and Donald are ethically about the same - although I give Trump an edge because his policy choices did not advocate/ result in killing tens of thousands of people.
I ALSO said that there are many policies that I disagree with Trump about, like climate change and "trickle down".
HOWEVER, I have to rank my priorities! What is more important- not blowing the world up to smithereens, or fighting for equal pay??? If I live to fight another day, then I can fight another day, but I have to get to that other day first. I made this all EXTREMELY clear, more than once. You may disagree with my reasoning, but at least try to respond to what I wrote, instead of what you think I wrote.
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Everywun? Provide links.
Hooz Scorpion?
*sigh...I know you can google too. I have an obnoxious 4 yr olds bd party to go to so I'll just do the one for now...
“Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.
“F— off,” she replied.
That exchange is one among many that active and retired Secret Service agents shared with Ronald Kessler, author of “First Family Detail,” a compelling look at the intrepid personnel who shield America’s presidents and their families — and those whom they guard.
Kessler writes flatteringly and critically about people in both parties. Regarding the Clintons, Kessler presents Chelsea as a model protectee who respected and appreciated her agents. He describes Bill as a difficult chief executive but an easygoing ex-president. And Kessler exposes Hillary as an epically abusive Arctic monster.
“When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously,” Kessler explains. “As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.”
He adds: “Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.”
Kessler was an investigative reporter with the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post and has penned 19 other books. Among much more in “First Family Detail,” he reports:
•?“Hillary was very rude to agents, and she didn’t appear to like law enforcement or the military,” former Secret Service agent Lloyd Bulman recalls. “She wouldn’t go over and meet military people or police officers, as most protectees do. She was just really rude to almost everybody. She’d act like she didn’t want you around, like you were beneath her.”
http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightm
are-to-work-with/
Scorpion is the TV show, the lead character is Walter O'Brian- a genius asshole twenty something most likely with Aspergers. Those characters are fun, but not anyone you'd actually want to be friends with on a daily basis...
Well most people. I'm a masochist, so I married one.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sorry ladyz, 'I dont like Hillary' duznt amount to a reazon. It iz an emotional reaction.
OMG. Us silly women! Ruled, I say RULED! by our emotions! If only we could ignore them and become more sexist, voting for someone just because of their sex! (I hope putting your argument in these terms will let you now how insulting and peculiar it is to me.)
BTW, speaking of sexism, would you vote for your mom just because of her sex?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
You make 2 major lojik errorz there.
1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.
I'm going too chime in here. When it comes to GOVERNMENT POLICY, Trump really is a relative unknown.
I think there are two things you can evaluate a candidate on - 1) their campaign speeches and 2) their history in government.
1) When it comes to campaign speeches overall I've found you can write off some variable fraction, but it's usually well over 50%, whether 'D' or 'R'.
In Hillary's case, I wrote her campaign speeches off 99.9+%. And that has to do with the platform, democrats not controlling Congress, AND her speeches specifically.
Regarding the platform, I went over it and agreed with it with very few (though critically important) exceptions. And my opinion is that a platform isn't necessarily a list of promises, because a party that doesn't also hold Congress has next to no chance of realistically promising anything. But even when a party isn't in power, nevertheless, I think it's important to create a statement of what it will stand for. (Tho at a certain point the platform got to be silly - basically it promised the sun, moon and stars to every particular subgroup, whereas a more concise statement of equal opportunity and justice would have covered the ideas.) But overall I agreed with nearly all of it (with critically important exceptions).
However, AT THE TIME I noted that the democratic party would be powerless to meet its goals, given a republican congress. And that the ONLY goals it would be able to meet were those that would have support from republicans, which were yes to more 'free' trade agreements and yes to escalating the policy of provoking Russia. As an experienced politician, Hillary knew that her ability to meet the platform goals was next to zero.
So when Hillary went around saying her administration would make the US a global clean energy leader, and would provide more good-paying jobs for Americans and so on, I could only conclude that she was lying, and also that she knew she was lying, ie she was lying on purpose.
Whether Trump really meant what he promised, and will simply get caught up in the imponderables of governance, or was glibly and knowingly lying the whole time, is harder to estimate. His business history indicates he's a 'sharp' dealer, who knows the ins and outs of commercial advertising, contracts, and tax law, who exploits every loophole that exists or can be created. But his inexperience in government makes it harder for me to judge his intentions. So I put his promises in the 'undetermined' category.
When it came to campaign promises, the ones Hillary made that I found the most problematic, were the ones she could have kept, and those are free trade and foreign policy stance with Russia. And the Russian stance was the one I could not accept under any circumstance because imo it carried a distinct risk of stumbling us into global thermonuclear warfare.
Meanwhile, Trump promised to normalize relations with Russia. Will he try to meet that goal? Will he be able to meet it? I don't know, but he presented a clear-cut alternative to Hillary's dangerous hubris on that item.
2) Now when it comes to evaluating people on their history, I give the edge to Trump. SignyM says they're equivalent. I don't see it that way.
Both are despicable human beings who, face to face, treat other living human beings like crap, whether it's out of ego, perversion, greed, entitlement, callousness - imo you could throw all those words at both candidates and make them stick.
But Trump merely cheats people as a matter of policy. While Hillary has them killed by the thousands as a matter of policy, like for example the decision to bomb Libya. (And speaking of which, she still hasn
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
ANOTHER laugh-out-loud!
You and WISHY ... too trenchant!
-----------
"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm going too chime in here.
....blablablablabla....
2) Now when it comes to evaluating people on their history, I give the edge to Trump.
Apparently you get all your info frum rite wing propaganda factoryz. Forgivable, considering their massiv output. Also considering the very poor job the so-called 'liberal media conspiratorz' hav dun to promote Hillary and all other 'liberal' politicianz.
Get youself a bag uv chips, sum chocolate and a drink, settle in and read both pajez here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hi
llary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157
Later (took me about 15 minits to read), after youv hopefully got an inkling uv the complexity and time scale involved in the bizness uv running America, hav a look at Trumps bizness and personal history. Herez quick read: http://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/ to start.
If you want a harsher assessment: http://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/247749-donald-trump-is-a-mediocre-busin
essman-and-his-record-proves-it/
Nothing you can read about him will lojikly lead to an imaj uv him being anything more than the rich playboy con man that he really iz. The notion that at 70 yirz old he iz going to turn over a new leaf revealing a hidden talent for running a country iz pure fantasy.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
About wimin voting for Hillary just kuz shez a woman.
I agree that supporting sumwun in spite uv their failurez andor crimez iz rong, especially if they hav no redeeming qualityz, deedz, talents.
BUT!
I'v lerned frum personal experiens, obzerving humanz & animalz, and watching Good Fellaz and other mob moviez, that therez another perspectiv on this. A perspectiv thats been seksessful more often than not.
Groups that stick together win. They survive wen less cohesiv groups loze or even go extinct.
This often requirez that the group defendz an individual who haz made a mistake uv sum kind that shoud be fatal (career ending or actual deth) or bekumz old and weak or haz an opportunity that she may not really dezerv. "Together we stand. Divided we fall".
We are living in a forest so thick with evidens that peepl can go their hole life without realizing it - the human animal only exists due to group co-operation. Without it, an individual modern man woud hav lower survival ability than a squirrel. With it, we hav defeated mother nature herself, stepping out uv our assined pozition in the food chain.
Relating that to your support in any group you can claim to be a part uv can be tricky, considering the possible conflicts, but in jeneral, the larjer the group, the more important it iz likely to be to you.
Supporting the woman who haz a prooven record uv fiting for pay equality, womenz rites around the world, and duzenz uv other issuez big and small to break thru the biggest glass seiling there iz, giving her the greatest amount uv power available to humanz on this planet iz obviously a good idea for wimin.
But maybe thats sumthing wimin can never really understand. A good explanation uv why malez hav alwayz dominated.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Groups that stick together win. They survive wen less cohesiv groups loze or even go extinct.
But maybe thats sumthing wimin can never really understand. A good explanation uv why malez hav alwayz dominated.
First, women DO NOT usually stick together, and if they do it's because there is something in it for them. We don't do "bro code". We look out for ourselves because it ensures survival of our young. Science speculates that menopause came about so that a woman wouldn't still be reproducing when her daughter/inlaw was, because a child was 60% less likely to survive to adulthood in a social structure like that.
Men dominate because they are usually not burdened with a gaggle of tiny helpless humans. We are usually so busy, nothing else matters...
I only have ONE and some days I am run ragged. Politics is just a penis measuring ritual for most of us. For a woman to be president, she will have to have it ALL... Looks, brains, be an inspiration, and probably a military background. Women hold each other to ridiculous and outrageous standards...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Here Jo753
I realize you're out of practice reading regular English, so I think you should take a second run at an example of facts and logic, before you dismiss it out of hand, again.
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
You make 2 major lojik errorz there.
1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.
I'm going too chime in here. When it comes to GOVERNMENT POLICY, Trump really is a relative unknown.
I think there are two things you can evaluate a candidate on - 1) their campaign speeches and 2) their history in government.
1) When it comes to campaign speeches overall I've found you can write off some variable fraction, but it's usually well over 50%, whether 'D' or 'R'.
In Hillary's case, I wrote her campaign speeches off 99.9+%. And that has to do with the platform, democrats not controlling Congress, AND her speeches specifically.
Regarding the platform, I went over it and agreed with it with very few (though critically important) exceptions. And my opinion is that a platform isn't necessarily a list of promises, because a party that doesn't also hold Congress has next to no chance of realistically promising anything. But even when a party isn't in power, nevertheless, I think it's important to create a statement of what it will stand for. (Tho at a certain point the platform got to be silly - basically it promised the sun, moon and stars to every particular subgroup, whereas a more concise statement of equal opportunity and justice would have covered the ideas.) But overall I agreed with nearly all of it (with critically important exceptions).
However, AT THE TIME I noted that the democratic party would be powerless to meet its goals, given a republican congress. And that the ONLY goals it would be able to meet were those that would have support from republicans, which were yes to more 'free' trade agreements and yes to escalating the policy of provoking Russia. As an experienced politician, Hillary knew that her ability to meet the platform goals was next to zero.
So when Hillary went around saying her administration would make the US a global clean energy leader, and would provide more good-paying jobs for Americans and so on, I could only conclude that she was lying, and also that she knew she was lying, ie she was lying on purpose.
Whether Trump really meant what he promised, and will simply get caught up in the imponderables of governance, or was glibly and knowingly lying the whole time, is harder to estimate. His business history indicates he's a 'sharp' dealer, who knows the ins and outs of commercial advertising, contracts, and tax law, who exploits every loophole that exists or can be created. But his inexperience in government makes it harder for me to judge his intentions. So I put his promises in the 'undetermined' category.
When it came to campaign promises, the ones Hillary made that I found the most problematic, were the ones she could have kept, and those are free trade and foreign policy stance with Russia. And the Russian stance was the one I could not accept under any circumstance because imo it carried a distinct risk of stumbling us into global thermonuclear warfare.
Meanwhile, Trump promised to normalize relations with Russia. Will he try to meet that goal? Will he be able to meet it? I don't know, but he presented a clear-cut alternative to Hillary's dangerous hubris on that item.
2) Now when it comes to evaluating people on their history, I give the edge to Trump. SignyM says they're equivalent. I don't see it that way.
Both are despicable human beings who, face to face, treat other living human beings like crap, whether it's out of ego, perversion, greed, entitlement, callousness - imo you could throw all those words at both candidates and make them stick.
But Trump mere
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
meanwhile
your first link, What Is Hillary’s Greatest Accomplishment?
I actually posted this myself and went through it as an example of how thin her accomplishments are compared to her disastrous, colossal failures. But I'll go though it again.
Quote:She gave a speech.
Her China speech on women
Quote:“When some wanted to delay the Bin Laden raid by one day because the White House Correspondents Dinner might be disrupted,” recounts Morell, “she said, ‘Screw the White House Correspondents Dinner.’” FANTASTIC. In any case, it would have enhanced US credibility far more if we had captured bin Laden and put him on public trial. Though I suspect he would have been found not guilty, since at last report, the US never did find any hard evidence bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.
Her role in killing Osama bin Laden
Quote:This is more of a demerit than a credit. She broke existing laws setting up a private unsecured server, scrubbed over half of her files with the claim they were all 'private' AFTER getting a subpoena to preserve them, and it appears her unsecured server was hacked by at least 5 different entities.
Management of the State Department
Quote:"Clinton wasn’t singularly responsible for the sanctions, just as the sanctions passed under her watch likely weren’t singularly responsible for opening up Iran to talks."
sanctions on Iran
Quote:but only 2 are mentioned - the previously addressed ran treaty, and normalization of relations with Cuba. Note that Clinton left office in 2013, while the beginning of normalization started in 2014.
‘Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it’
Quote:Specifics would be helpful here ...
outspoken champion for women around the world
Quote:not an accomplishment of note
set records for travel
Quote:Specifics would be helpful here ...
used every trip to empower the women of the 112 countries she visited
Quote:Specifics would be helpful here ...
made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy
Quote:Specifics would be helpful here ...
created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues
Quote:duh
instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11
Quote:On February 2, 2005, Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney introduced the Remember 9/11 Health Act, which died in committee. On September 13, 2006, Sen. Clinton brought an amendment to a piece of ports security legislation, aiming to create a five-year, $1.9 billion treatment program for sufferers of Ground Zero dust and fumes after-effects. Later, in February 2009, Congresswoman Maloney introduced the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, which eventually passed following a protracted political battle in 2010.
pivotal in the passage of legislation that helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment they deserved
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009 no mention of Hillary in the history
led the charge on the Lilly Ledbetter Pay Equity Act
Quote:Specifics would be helpful here ...
inspirational figure for billions of women around the globe
Quote:Specifics would be helpful here ...
helped restore the shattered credibility of the United States
Quote:broken shortly afterward, and which did not secure or even contribute to an improvement in the problem
negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped the Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel
I have a really hard time giving her a whole lot of credit for these especially considering she voted for the war in Iraq, decided to bomb Libya, sent arms out of Benghazi to Syrian ISIS to topple Assad - a democratically elected leader, and the staff she had hired - Nuland - carried out a coup against a democratically elected president - Yanukovich - when elections were less than a month away. Strike th
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
You want spesifics.
I'll hav time later, but herez a list to go by if you want to reserch it yourself: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/hillary-clintons-biggest-accomplis
hments/
Wut woud be interesting iz to find out wut Trump wuz up to at the same time each uv theze Hillary accomplishments wuz happening.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
peculiar website behavior
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Except I can take exception to every single one of those items.
1. Fought for children and families for 40 years and counting.
Except when she decided the US military should bomb children, or embargoed countries so that essential medicines were unavailable. She may have personally helped a few hundred children in the US - at best. As policy, she decided to kill thousands - probably tens of thousands. She lacks moral clarity - what some might call a conscience - and favors political expediency.
2. Helped provide millions of children with health care.
Now this is written like a really bad resume fudge. What does 'helped' mean? Helped? Was there? Talked about it with people who were there?
"... it’s questionable that she played a key leadership role to creating CHIP."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/20/clinton
s-claim-of-working-with-democrats-and-republicans-to-create-a-child-health-program/
3. Helped get 9/11 first responders the health care they needed.
Another bad resume line, that I addressed above. "Congresswoman Maloney introduced the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act" Hillary did not sponsor or co-sponsor the bill to provide healthcare. And considering Hillary left office at the end of 2009, and the bill wasn't voted on till 2010, Hillary didn't even vote for it.
4. Told the world that “women’s rights are human rights.”
She made a speech.
That's not an accomplishment of note.
Sure her bosses didn't like the topic and the venue. But when you're one of the highest ranking officials in the US government, NOTHING BAD IS GOING TO BEFALL YOU no matter what you say or do. It took no courage. And it changed nothing. How anyone can consider making a speech to be an accomplishment is beyond me.
5. Stood up for LGBT rights at home and abroad.
Except when she didn't. And that's been thoroughly covered elsewhere.
6. Helped expand health care and family leave for military families.
Another 'helped' resume fudge. And this is a climb-down from an earlier ad where she claimed she created coverage where none existed. That ad was called 'misleading'. "In a recent ad, Clinton claims members of the National Guard and military Reserve didn’t have health insurance until she and a GOP colleague took action. We find the ad misleading." http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/exaggerating-help-for-troops/
7. Negotiated a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
I also addressed this earlier. The ceasefire fell apart soon afterward, and nothing was changed about the basic situation.
8. Negotiated the toughest sanctions Iran has ever faced.
And I debunked this earlier as well. She did NOT singularly negotiate the sanctions, nor were the sanctions the singular reason Iran came to the table.
9. Became the first woman in history to top a major-party presidential ticket.
By hook or by crook.
I posted earlier and you responded literally with 'blah blah blah'. Then I responded SPECIFICALLY to YOUR post and you responded with a link that contained many of the items I already addressed. Yanno, if you continue to fail to read my posts, fail to respond, or ignore my specific arguments, I'll not read or respond to yours, except to dismiss them offhand and mock you, exactly the way you've responded to mine. Sound like a fair deal?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Except I can take exception to every single one of those items.
Eazy to hav opinionz on thingz. Even eazier wen you start with an opinion and ignore any evidens that duznt fit that opinion.
Quote:
I posted earlier and you responded literally with 'blah blah blah'.
I red your entire post. Alot uv it wuz standard issue GoP propaganda.
I dont need to bekum an expert on sumthing just to refute simple minded sound bites created by propagandists.
For example, are you ready to read the entire Iran Nuclear Deal just to verify their claim that its bad?
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/full-text-of-the-iran
-nuclear-deal/1651/
Or do you expect me to to defend it?
You 'gave Trump the ej' prezumably based on knowing alot about them. I dont think you know much more than the bogus cartoon bad guy imaj painted by the GoPs about Hillary and next to nothing about Trump. Otherwize you woudnt hav made such a foolish statement.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hillary Clinton'z activity, 2009:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2009a/index.htm
Donald Trump, 2009:
Probably spent alot uv time barjing into the dressing roomz at the Miss USA and Miss Teen USA pajents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_USA
Helped get hiz mind off the bankruptsy.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/17/news/companies/trump_entertainment/ind
ex.htm?iid=EL
Then there wuz taping for hiz TV show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._season_9)
Turnz out he wuz a libtard back then.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/15/lkl.01.html
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Now here's a liar, doing what liars do, posting lies (I backed up many of my posts with links and/ or quotes):
you start with an opinion and ignore any evidens that duznt fit that opinion.
And more idiotic lies since my sources were the wapo, wiki, politifact, etc. Fucking conservatives at Wikipedia - right idiot?
Alot uv it wuz standard issue GoP propaganda.
And here's the CRAZY idiot posting about the voices in its head, since I NEVER posted ANYTHING about whether the Iran deal was good or bad
are you ready to read the entire Iran Nuclear Deal just to verify their claim that its bad?
And here's the ILLITERATE idiot posting the exact OPPOSITE of what I posted
You 'gave Trump the ej' prezumably based on knowing alot about them.
AAAAnd we're back to the CRAZY idiot rambling on about something, that, frankly, is unrelated to anything at all this side of reality, and that I have zero interest in even trying to unscramble.
Otherwize you woudnt hav made such a foolish statement.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And yet, just like you, the idiot can have had a regular conversation by doing 3 things
reading what I post
responding to what I post instead of the voices in its head
being civil.
Btw, since I quoted the idiot directly, you can always check back and prove to yourself that its posts are what I claim.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:I'm going too chime in here.
You stepped into the ring. Did you think you wer the ref?
Same post you rote:
Quote:
2) Now when it comes to evaluating people on their history, I give the edge to Trump. SignyM says they're equivalent. I don't see it that way.
And
Quote:
Overall, the edge went to Trump, for the simple reason that Hillary failed in the 'credibility' department in her speeches;
The entire post coud hav been ritten by sumwun who arrived on Earth in mid October and watched Sean Hannity exclusively for a week.
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Jo - you probably already know this (certainly by now in this thread alone), but jic: you will never get through that rat's nest of an angry brain she has. Believe me, you can't even AGREE with her without getting the Gnashing Red Troll Text. When I read it I like to think of the sound ogres make when they eat fresh, greasy mutton. Cheers.
Insult shields up - full power!
Aft shieldz are down to 35%, captain!
----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME