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Monday, October 24, 2016 8:28 AM

There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, October 24, 2016 8:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.



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Monday, October 24, 2016 8:41 AM


There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, October 24, 2016 2:47 PM

You forgot about the Jade Helm Invasion of Texas to establish Marshall Law.
Remember!? It was supposed to take place in July 2015. There's that.

You know, black helicopters, invading soldiers and drones!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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1kiki, if you really were correct then Obama also had "zero power" during the last 4 years. You might want to back off of that claim of "zero". It makes you sound like a drunken Republican celebrating how the GOP will ruin the Democrats despite Trump losing.

As a practical matter, Paul Ryan decided what laws Obama got to sign for the last year. Before Ryan, it was John Boehner deciding.


This points up the power that a President really DOES have, even with a recalcitrant Congress. So, what did Obama (or maybe it was Hillary) accomplish in his last six years? He (and Hillary) managed to ...

1) Engineer a coup in the Ukraine

2) Instigate sanctions on Russia, creating further stresses on EU economies

3) Destroy Libya

4) Break Sudan into two pieces, creating two failed states out of one

5) Drone Yemen into instability, and support Saudi Arabia's invasion

6) Instigate a proxy was against Assad, using radical Muslim extremists as tools

7) Negotiate trade deals TTIP and TTP

8) Participate in a climate change negotiation

9) Support a Honduran coup

10) Drag his feet in Keystone XL

11) Create a marine sanctuary off Hawaii

12) Piss off Philippine President Duterte

13) Complete the monstrous data storage center in Utah, which contains the emails, texts, phone calls and tweets of hundreds of millions of average Americans

14) Signed more (combined) Executive orders and "Presidential Memoranda" than any other President, including Truman, who up until Obama took the record.
http://moneymorning.com/2016/01/06/president-obama-is-the-most-controv
ersial-executive-action-user-in-u-s-history-heres-why
/

15) Sent more troops back into Iraq

16) Failed to stem the wealth gap


I should really look into those Executive Orders and Presidential Memoranda. But the list of Obama's "accomplishments" actually demonstrates my previous point:

The President's power resides PRIMARILY in the realm of "foreign policy", including negotiated treaties, trade agreements, and partnerships, military intervention and covert action. Exactly the place I don't want Hillary to be.

And where Hillary might do some good - domestic policy- she doesn't have much authority. I made this point before: It would be an interesting test if Congress turns Democratic. I know, SECOND, that you objected to this point because of the possibility of minority Senate Republicans filibustering everything. But you contradicted yourself, because even you yourself said that the filibuster COULD be done away with by a simple majority vote. So if Senatorial Democrats were truly hard-nosed, they could get their way. This would be a test, not only of Hillary's commitment to the American people, but also a test of the Democratic Senators' commitment.

Now, with that kind of legislative and executive power - like 2008 to 2011- the Democrats could choose to accomplish a lot. And if they made a real difference in the lives of everyday Americans they would ensure their hold on power for the foreseeable future. But like in 2008-2011, my bet s that they'd scurry from responsibility, like cockroaches when the light is turned on, because nobody but nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them contributions, neither Democrats nor Republicans.



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 24, 2016 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"1kiki, if you really were correct then Obama also had "zero power""

YOU EFFING LIAR!!!

MAYBE IF I MAKE IT BIG ENOUGH, BOLD, ENOUGH, ITALIC ENOUGH, RED ENOUGH, CAPITAL ENOUGH, UNDERLINED ENOUGH

YOU'LL FINALLY FUCKING STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE BEEN POSTING ALL ALONG

THERE ARE ONLY TWO - TWO - 2 - DOS - DUEX - DWA - EK - THINGS hillary WILL BE ABLE TO DO.

Trade deals, and provoke Russia.

Got it, now? Or are you so FUCKING dishonest you'll pretend to not understand it NOW?

1kiki wrote “Trade deals and provoke Russia.” Maybe you could revise that to “provoke any country” ? You do know that Russia isn’t that special, right? Maybe special to 1kiki and Russian megalomaniacs, but not to the USA or its President. 1kiki, did you notice that I once again "lied" because I removed a comma when I quoted you?

Michael Moore in TrumpLand: Movie Review
www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/michael-moore-trumpland-939622

Carefully refraining from directly criticizing the Republican presidential nominee, Moore compares disaffected Americans to those Brits who voted for Brexit, saying that they "used the ballot box as an anger management tool." And he says that if Trump is elected, the voters will have declared "the biggest 'f— you' ever recorded in human history."

But his true agenda becomes clear when he talks about Clinton.

"Can't you say something nice about Hillary Clinton?" he implores the crowd. One male Trump supporter grudgingly allows that "she stood by her man."

Moore has his own nice thing to say about her: "I'm glad she killed Vince Foster," he announces to startled laughter. He proceeds to lampoon the many conspiracy theories that have sprung up about Clinton's supposed trail of bodies, referencing one internet site claiming that the candidate has been involved in the deaths of 46 people. Enthusing over her "badass" credentials, Moore crows, "ISIS is gonna shit if she's president!"

In other news: The Las Vegas Review-Journal endorsed Trump for president. The Review-Journal was bought late last year by billionaire Sheldon Adelson, a Trump supporter. It is the first major newspaper to give Trump its blessing. “Mr. Trump’s impulsiveness and overheated rhetoric alienate many voters,” its endorsement said. “He has trouble dealing with critics and would be wise to discover the power of humility.”

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Monday, October 24, 2016 9:53 PM

Why is Trump losing an entirely winnable race, especially since parties controlling the White House rarely hold on for a third-straight term?

Because the conservative echo chamber drowned out doubts about Trump. That Trump is trailing Clinton by double digits shouldn't be surprising. In the April NBC/WSJ poll -- before the GOP primary season concluded -- Clinton led Trump in a hypothetical matchup by 11 points (50%-39%), but she was ahead by just two points against Ted Cruz (46%-44%), and she trailed John Kasich by 12 (51%-39%). But GOP voters didn't listen to those MSM voices and poll numbers. As conservative radio host Charlie Sykes said back in August, "We've basically eliminated any of the referees, the gatekeepers. There's nobody."

www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/how-republicans-ended-trump-n67166
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All Hillary haters can take comfort in knowing that she probably won't be elected for a second term, unless the GOP foolishly runs Trump against her and he once again gets struck by lightening.
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Monday, October 24, 2016 9:58 PM

COOL - NOW I KNOW YOU READ IT! And you'd be hard pressed to lie about that again. In fact, now I know what it takes to make you look so fucking dishonest you can't avoid doing what I want.

BTW, I'll keep posting this until you respond to the facts. Though you DO seem afraid of facts about hillary. Why is that?

There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, October 24, 2016 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.




POLO

Probabilities as of Sun Oct 23 2016

Hillary Clinton (D) 85% (+71.00)

Donald Trump (R) 14%


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Monday, October 24, 2016 11:10 PM

Temper Temper 1kiki.



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Monday, October 24, 2016 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
COOL - NOW I KNOW YOU READ IT!

BTW, I'll keep posting this until you respond to the facts. Though you DO seem afraid of facts about hillary. Why is that?

I hope you don't want a point by point agreement from me for all your facts. That is too much work. I'll make a blanket agreement to all facts, known and unknown about HRC: I respond to 1kiki's facts by writing that I believe you, 1kiki. You have changed my mind about Hillary. Every single thing you ever wrote is now a proven fact. You did a great job of making an airtight case against Hillary.

I wish you had forced me to confront Hillary’s evil sooner, because I already voted a straight party ticket for Democrats. Woe is me. I now will have to live with my regrets.

Except Texas was going to pick Trump’s 38 electoral college delegates no matter how I voted. Maybe I should have withheld my vote? Vote for None of the Above? That might not have really made a difference, either.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/texas/#now

But looking at this election, who believes that 1kiki's "facts" make a difference, even if I believe every single one of these "facts”? Assuming everything 1kiki said about Hillary is true and Trump is still losing would suggest that 1kiki's version of the facts doesn't matter. Possibly, 1kiki's facts about Hillary are not believed by enough voters and that is why Trump is losing. 1kiki has four more years to make an even stronger case against Hillary for 2020.

What has not changed is I still don't want Trump as President.

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